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K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresI 134 and NVC question
Thanks for all the input.

I've read over the flowchart several times, and while it's helpful, it doesn't really explain how things progress as far as "now you'll wait to receive a letter from NVC", etc. There is a lot of useful info, but things get a little vague after the NOA2, at least in my opinion. Maybe I'm missing something, I'm not sure. I tend to work better with lists, etc to work from, though.
twitchyFemaleCanada2012-07-17 19:54:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresI 134 and NVC question
I'm working on my financial information to send to my fiance. If I make over the required income threshhold, do I have to include the letter from my bank, or if was not planning on including the account information as part of the dollar amounts, since I make enough to cover it without, can I leave that out?

My bank is a credit union that is very strict about that sort of thing, and I know this will be a nightmare to get from them.

Also, what exactly happens once the NOA2 is received? Do I need to start calling and asking for the case/file number? Or do they send that info to me? If so, how is it sent? I can't seem to find any actual info about the actual process beyond "start calling and gathering the info".

Thanks for any help!
twitchyFemaleCanada2012-07-17 18:09:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresPolice Certificate--Montreal, QC
Where is the best place to go to get this done? Directly to a station?

My fiance called to ask what was needed and was given a number to a "waiver" department. The message said they're on vacation until next month...

Has anyone done this recently in Montreal? I would appreciate any info! :)
twitchyFemaleCanada2012-07-24 14:10:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresProof of Engagement
Thanks. I knew rings weren't "required", but wasn't sure if they would require anything beyond the letters.
twitchyFemaleCanada2012-07-31 18:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresProof of Engagement
Will the letters of intent suffice for Proof of Engagement for Packet 3?

We didn't buy engagement rings, except for small ones we bought at an antique store for ourselves, both of which were less than $100. We also have not made any reservations, or firm plans for the wedding at this time, as we don't have a date yet to plan around.
twitchyFemaleCanada2012-07-30 20:50:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresAffidavit of Support
If I felt the directions were clear, I would not have posted this question.

Edited by twitchy, 13 August 2012 - 06:20 PM.

twitchyFemaleCanada2012-08-13 18:20:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresAffidavit of Support
I filled out and sent the I-134 to my fiance, with the required documentation. I meet the income threshold with no issues.

Do I still need to send the I 864 and tax returns also?

Thanks for any help!
twitchyFemaleCanada2012-08-13 18:07:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresAfter the interview, do they take your passport to process the visa?
When you post here, it does also post in the Canada Portal as well, from what I've seen when I post. :)
twitchyFemaleCanada2012-08-18 18:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures; just got off the phone with USCIS
Thanks for the info....I see they told you that they are on November 2 - - yet I found 3 yesterday from VSC that were dated November 10ish......we are November 8 and I am going crazy! :bonk:
SLCPLP10FemaleEngland2011-04-27 13:58:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 APPROVED without notification online

Just to help ya out on the next step, make sure you receive your NOA2 hard copy because you need it when applying for AOS.

Also Congrats again!!




Thanks Kelly! If it doesnt come tomorrow I will be calling them first thing Monday!

Edited by SLCPLP10, 29 April 2011 - 09:08 PM.

SLCPLP10FemaleEngland2011-04-29 21:07:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 APPROVED without notification online
Just wanted everyone to know that we received our NOA1 on November 8th, 2010 and were getting really concerned bc nothing had changed on the website, and we had not received any email or text notifications. HOWEVER, TODAY in the mail, I received a letter from the State Department confirming their receipt of the approved NOA2 and letting us know that the information was being forwarded on to the visa-issuing post.

So if you are a early November, 2010 couple - - you might want to give the USCIS a call.

CHEERS! :dance: :dance: :dance:
SLCPLP10FemaleEngland2011-04-29 17:18:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresShould I be worried?

I didn't get any updates or touches until I got approved. Some people get approved and STILL get no updates on the USCIS website. Don't worry. :)



LOL - yea we got out department of state letter and embassy packet and STILL havent gotten anything showing approval from USCIS...when I called them they tried to tell me it wasnt approved. Go figure.....
SLCPLP10FemaleEngland2011-05-11 11:26:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresApproved or not?????
Thanks for all the replies EVERYONE!

Firstly, the entire question began when I got the letter from the Department of State and yet the USCIS online info still showed "intial review."

Ok so I did call the Department of State and they acknowledged that they do indeed have a file on us and everything has been forwarded to the US Embassy in London (which I knew bc my fiance' already has the packet). The lady I spoke to told me that they would NEVER have sent it on to the embassy if they didnt have an approval from USCIS. However, she was hesitant to guarantee that there wasnt a problem on their (USCIS) end.

I put in a service request with USCIS so we will see what that gets us.

Scott&Annie: I HOPE TO GOD that isnt the case with us either....however, the way things are going nothing would surprise me anymore.
SLCPLP10FemaleEngland2011-05-12 11:02:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresApproved or not?????

Did you or did you not recieve the I-797 in the mail from USCIS stating that your petition was approved? Why are you requesting a copy of your approval notice from USCIS?





The only thing I have received from USCIS is our initial I-797C which states that the I-129F has been received. They told me I should have gotten a notification from them that the petition was approved. They called it an "approval letter", but I know on here everyone calls it a NOA2.
SLCPLP10FemaleEngland2011-05-11 11:22:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresApproved or not?????
The only thing I have received from USCIS is our initial I-797C which states that the I-129F has been received. They told me I should have gotten a notification from them that the petition was approved. They called it an "approval letter", but I know on here everyone calls it a NOA2.
SLCPLP10FemaleEngland2011-05-11 11:02:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresApproved or not?????
Ok - so I just got off the phone with USCIS to request a copy of my NOA2 for our interview only to be told that me might NOT be approved bc their system does not show it as being approved.....ummmmmmmm #######???!!!! We got our letter from Department of State on April 22 and my fiance' got his packet from the Embassy on April 26th! What do you mean we might not be approved????

Has this happened to anyone else?????
SLCPLP10FemaleEngland2011-05-11 10:54:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresOn the road to aquiring a K1 Visa

Hey, here is the right place.. you'll learn to have patience, and keep strong... We also started our ''journey'' has 20 days only.. I wish you both good luck, lots of love and patience... and that everythings goes smooth for you and me! Keep us updated!

Carolina & Matthew



Congrats on your recent NOA2 approval guys!
Christine+BryanFemaleCanada2011-07-07 15:44:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresOn the road to aquiring a K1 Visa
We're on our way hunni! Here's to a bright and beautiful future together!

Edited by ChristineK, 13 April 2011 - 08:57 PM.

Christine+BryanFemaleCanada2011-04-13 20:56:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Proceduresk-1 visa help

Perhaps her ties to Turkey had changed? Not sure. But single females from other countries traveling to the US alone are a red flag to them. They believe they will come here to stay without proper procedure. Frequent visits may have them believe there is a love interest here for her. Happened to me many years ago. But applying for a fiance visa should not cause issue. I was denied entry into the US long before I got my greencard and then citizenship. Everything after went smoothly as I followed procedure.

Good luck!


thank you , i have never thought that way .You are right.
schumiMaleTurkey2012-12-01 16:45:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Proceduresk-1 visa help

What was the reason given to her for being denied a tourist visa this last 3 times when she applied? And did she over stay her visa when she was in the us last time?



It is very weird because whenever she asked officers ,their responds were " sorry not this time" they didnt tell any reason .And she came here with 3 months visa but stayed only 28 days .
schumiMaleTurkey2012-12-01 03:32:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Proceduresk-1 visa help
Hi everyone , we have very difficult situation ,we need all your help .We are thinking to apply k-1 visa however my fiance applied three times tourist visa but she was rejected by USA embassy 3 times in 3 months in Turkey.She was in the states before but her visa expired.My concern is ,if we apply K-1 visa now what is the possibility to approve? Do you guys know it will they give hard time to my fiance during the interview ?Can you please share with us your thoughts?Thanks
schumiMaleTurkey2012-12-01 01:37:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresIS POSSIBLE ACCELERATE THE PROCESS?
sorry I left out that we were also married before all of this
megganclaudioFemaleBrazil2011-11-14 20:20:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresIS POSSIBLE ACCELERATE THE PROCESS?
I am so sorry for you and your soon to be family. Unfortunately this is not a reason to expedite your case. My husband went back to Brazil voluntarily when our daughter was 6 months old, he is still in Brazil. He has been gone for over a year and left on an approved I 130 and had work authorization. It is a hard thing that we go through but god and love will see you through.
megganclaudioFemaleBrazil2011-11-14 20:09:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Proceduresdo i need these documents?
my lawyer told me that if i have had 3 alcohol related convictions in my life that i need to provide copies of the convictions. I had an owi in 2008 and 1 in 1993. In the mid 80s i got pulled ovwer for speeding and thought i got an open container ticket but cant remember. Sheriffs office and courthouse have no record of anything in that time frame. Anyway...do i need the copies and if i do do they need to be certified? idk why it says im from thailand...my fiance is though

Edited by scott olson, 30 May 2012 - 08:54 PM.

scott olsonMaleThailand2012-05-30 20:53:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK-1 Processing Times

We filed for a K-1 previously, and the wait time listed was about 3 months. Now if I search the CA service center, it lists 5 months!! Is this accurate, does anyone know? Has anyone filed recently? What was your experience?



a friend of mine got his philippino fiance here in dec...his wait time was a little over 5 months
scott olsonMaleThailand2012-05-30 21:04:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresNever received NOA1 or NOA2 in the mail

Is it possible that the letter I attached is the NOA2?


The letter you attached is a letter from the National Visa Center, this is not the NOA 2

Attached is an Example of NOA 1 and or NOA 2, disregard the wording in the picture, it's just an Example...

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Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-05-15 01:38:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresNever received NOA1 or NOA2 in the mail
you can make an info pass to see if you can speak to a supervisor, calling USCIS doesn't really do much... if they can't do anything for you then you have to pay the fee to get the NOA 2 as this is a needed document to adjust status.
Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-05-15 01:34:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresMarried now - can I use K-1 visa still?

once you are married you can no longer use the K-1 because the K-1 is for single people that are engaged, once you are married you have to file for CR-1, since you didn't post your timeline i'm not sure how far along you are in the K-1 process, but if you are near getting the interview then you pretty much wasted your time and money, you'll have to pay again to start the CR-1 process..


what I meant by single people is, people that are free to marry and that is not currently married.
Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-05-09 21:43:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresMarried now - can I use K-1 visa still?
once you are married you can no longer use the K-1 because the K-1 is for single people that are engaged, once you are married you have to file for CR-1, since you didn't post your timeline i'm not sure how far along you are in the K-1 process, but if you are near getting the interview then you pretty much wasted your time and money, you'll have to pay again to start the CR-1 process..
Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-05-09 21:32:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Proceduresdoing the right visa?
You have to meet her within the last 2 years before you can file K-1, you need to go see her in person first...
Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-06-20 01:06:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedurestranslations
any official document needs to be translated into English because this is what we speak here...
Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-06-16 20:08:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures; HOW MUCH TIME DID YOUR K-1 PROCESS TAKE FROM BEGINNING TIL END?
see my timeline below...
Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-09-05 15:35:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresHas anyone heard of being Denied at Point of Entry?
This is true, Customs and Boarder Patrol makes the ultimate decision wether to let you through or not, so even if you take a 24 hour plane ride you can still be denied entry...
Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-11-20 02:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresHow to reapply a denied K1 Visa? - China
I really doubt the length of emails can have much impact for the decision at the interview.... did you have other proof like instant message transcripts and phone records?
Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-05-15 23:43:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresHow to reapply a denied K1 Visa? - China
so K-1 was denied due to no bona fide relationship, for the 2nd time around you would proceed just like the first time, but this time when you send in the I-129F you should front load (add more proof of relationship) pictures, emails, snail mail letters, phone records, etc... then start documenting the relationship again, and get the proof ready for the interview, same kind of evidence like you sent with the I-129F. How is your fiancee's English, how do you two communicate? how many trips have you made and how long did you stay for your trips? did you goto Guangzhou with her when she had her interview?

Edited by Hell0W0rld, 14 May 2010 - 10:57 PM.

Hell0W0rldMaleChina2010-05-14 22:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 3 (2009 Thai thread restarted)
QUOTE (Mountain Climber @ Feb 13 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (HYENA @ Feb 13 2009, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (AaronLV @ Feb 13 2009, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First off, I am sorry about your problems.





I am really sorry to hear about your problem. As we all know, all of us bring baggage from our past into our relationships. If BOTH partners really, truly want the relationship to work, they will make the necessary changes within themselves to accomplish this goal. It is not easy to face our inner demons but it is necessary if we want to live a happy life with our significant others. It sounds like she is not ready, able or willing to do this necessary work. Hope everything works out for you and whatever you decide to do. Good luck!


Thanks...it bugs me because over here, a run of counseling can help both parties to see but over there, she acted like I was insane for suggesting it. Thais are prohibited from talking bad anything bad about their parents and family...so counseling is out. That would be my solution...it bugs the daylights out of me the unwillingness BUT I see where she's coming from and I told her it's not bad and there's a thai farang specialist just for this. Seems I'm required to do everything their culture but nothing our culture (sin sod, care for parents, woman's money doesn't go to domestic house...everything for family abroad and nothing for US family and parents)...not sure how everyone else does it but when I open my eyes, (I just read a really long article about finances, risks, cultures and fairness Thai v farang)...just doesn't add up to try so hard and not feel they're trying at all. I'm very disappointed. I also understand Thais look at a marriage almost strictly from a financial perspective opposite to our culture. I also learned someone took a poll and said nearly all think sex when old is disgusting or deviant? I need to ask more and learn more. I like Thailand and parts of their culture very much...but I need to learn a lot more... I really don't want to give up...really don't but I don't think long term it will last without some changes....I can't fly by the seat of my pants not knowing and jumping into a mistake....ugh! If I could only convince her to go to counseling, I'd fly out there now.

Edited by HYENA, 13 February 2009 - 08:02 PM.

HYENAMaleThailand2009-02-13 20:01:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 3 (2009 Thai thread restarted)
QUOTE (AaronLV @ Feb 13 2009, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First off, I am sorry about your problems.

However, I think the problems with your Fiancee being hung up on at Siam Legal are fabricated. My Fiancee is from Issan and I asked her what problems she had with Siam when she talked to them, and she said there was none. She said they were polite and the nicest people, with any of the questions she asked. I think your fiancee is playing the "I am from Issan. so I am dirt" card to you. I sat with Nina (Paralegal) for close to 4 hours at the bus stop outside the embassy, she was so nice, and then sat with the attorney for over 3 hours outside on the second time I was waiting, and they were supportive and helpful. I don't think it was the attorney's I really think it is your Fiancee with a chip on her shoulder cause she is from Issan. My fiancee's mother is from Issan aslo and she has several successful businesses.

Just my 2 cents, please don't bash the law firm for your Fiancees short comings.



Thanks for your message. Not completely fabricated since some is factual and the refusal to answer/glare I did witness. i guess it was the hanging up (twice when I was there I asked her to call, then i called back since she was standing there telling me they hung up twice)...not sure who did that...then sitting at the table she said "I'm from Roi Et, what part of Isaan are you from" and a cold stare back. Now there could be other things going on I don't know about...and it could very well all be her (since they focus on facial expressions, etc) she does have the race card going on a bit but I've seen it in action against her unprovoked and I have no idea why so if I were her, I'd be irritated by the mal treatment, as well (in the sky train a lady told her she wasn't allowed to sit down) little things like that I'd never see here I'd seen done to her so maybe I had been sensitive to it.

I'll just keep it to the facts since the rest is opinion but not provable. ..I did get the run around when asking one question I thought would be easy to answer, though. That's what surprised me about the lack of knowledge (when she can get her eligibility to marry certificate and if they know if it expires). Never did get an answer so I had her go do that not knowing. It is a fact they still don't know how long the single certificate is good for (3 months is the answer) and how early you're allowed to get it (still unknown) and the B&W pics in their guide vs USCIS rules and the 3 week translation error they made, so paying for the "gold package" I would have expected far different and expected more willingness to help when I've spoken to (only some) of the staff. Some don't want to help, others are gems. Granted this is all early in the process and I hadn't experienced the full package and I've only dealt with 4 staff. The guy is great and one of the ladies is excellent but one wants to get you off the phone asap.

Edited by HYENA, 13 February 2009 - 02:30 PM.

HYENAMaleThailand2009-02-13 14:26:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 3 (2009 Thai thread restarted)
Ughh I hate this part..looking forward to 4 months down the road. I'll let myself cool off before canceling it. I feel horribly sad for her. She's devastated but then again she's been actively pushing me away like there's no tomorrow so subconsciously she's not ready for good things to happen, either. Interesting, she's been through this with a Scottish guy, as well. She told me they broke up often and now knowing her, I guarantee she lit into him like there's no tomorrow digging up any inconvenient dirt to make it sting more...every month like clockwork. I can be quite sympathetic and If I keep myself aware, do something special to make the time go and it usually pays off a few days later...but it's no excuse to rip apart the one you love when you should be building each other up with encouraging words, etc.

Thanks for the comments also.. I thought I had to wait 5 years from application time or 10 years or something but if she doesn't come i assume it doesn't count, then from what I gather (doubt Siam legal could have figured all this out so quickly)...they've cost me 6 weeks delay total gold whoopdedoo hang up on your fiancee 6 or 7 times package (I'll have to check my notes for the number when I write it all up). I get the feeling each case is like they've never done one when some of you could do one flawlessly the first time around...I'm just surprised to hear all the mistakes they still make having been at this so long but you've got a different work ethic and strong attitudes of this is how it's done regardless of what USCIS updated rules say and you're not to ask questions, just pay and quiet please.. (for example their guide said B&W pics OK but USCIS says color only and they're just learning this now but not before I get an RFE for it?...not to mention translation errors that should never happen once, etc. But you're only as good as your local help and that's who's running the show there when you could do it free with a shot of confidence here (my gf really was sweet and unassuming on the phone and a kind soul mostly but I'm reviewing more and discovering more the more i open my eyes. I'm coming to the realization although there is true love, it's a jaded, dysfunctional sort not meant to be and any farang could fill in the blank spot to fit the bill so not much effort goes into the relationship from her end.....but I guess it's all for the better...or maybe she would have turned up the heat earlier the sooner it came...I think likely.

It's sad, horrible, devastating, shocking but we've broken up 6 times. Her ex likely 5 times that amount but reviewing their relationship and my actually emailing him helped me realize she just wants a ticket more than she wants to work on a relationship and work on herself...cart before the horse. Next round I'm not seeking a culture where you have to pay any amount just to marry (pay for what, really...other than ego feeding...showing people you can take care, showing people how weatlthy you are or the worth of the woman, etc). Tired of the materialistic subculture so I need to review posts I lost who recommended nearby countries that don't do the sin sod, therefore don't have the prime focus on money at least to this degree. Someone wrote on a Thai board they couldn't find one suspected scamster from India but more than 50% of the Thai fiancee/gf/wife posts had to do with being taken for money mixed right up there with the rewarding relationships gone good.

Beauty-India, Motivation...I think China has it? Laos...Buddhist culture (versus lack of true Buddhism Thais have... I see exchanged for self serving...keep up with the Jones's, wear your gold to rub their noses in it; you have arrived...pressure to build a house "like all farang make for wife family", etc...) I'll be happy to be done with living everyone else's expectations and be able to focus on wife and me not village opinion, show off to someone who passed by and said "why you not have big house yet...you still poor, why you not wear gold, what, farang she find too poor" etc.. That jealousy/self serving face saving/feeding subculture nauseates me to no end. This will be a welcome change to get away from that nasty undercurrent but I'll miss the food with my next try somewhere some day in Asia....I just can't remember where I found the general comparisons to cultures, pros and cons....(individuals excluded, just generalizations) since many rural areas I can still find some stuff to sell to shoppes here.
HYENAMaleThailand2009-02-13 08:22:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 3 (2009 Thai thread restarted)
I really appreciate all the comments, experiences and advice here. It's completely different than other forums where the nasty, unhelpful comments would be the majority...

OK...Yes, I own ThaiFever and it's a good read-learned a lot; heard all the bar/non bar stories, etc. I have asked many other Thais some questions and I conclude she is jaded more than most due to her childhood, etc (without getting too psychological here) but she's got issues which is OK but addressing them is impossible as it may disrespect parents, etc.

I also really appreciate the post about the self determination/motivation of an individual, etc. I also believe you can do what you want if you want. I put myself through college; ran away from home at 17, finished hs never looked back. I also admit to being a sucker for sweet talk, poverty and sadness.

In the end, my happiness is paramount so I need to prevail against my softheartedness, etc. Too many times have I heard her say horrible, disrespectful things to me (and I don't demand hardly any)...but I'm used to building up my mate and helping them achieve their highest desired potential not tearing them down even below the belt for kicks. She claimed I never listened to her, so for the first time i told her the time and day she said xxx (some comments were downright horrible)...she acted surprised, claimed I misunderstood but I asked how word z and word s come in the same sentence and how can it be misunderstood? She claimed she never said such things, etc. Tired of all that face saving BS, I told her I could no longer continue such a dysfunctional relationship since she values me as zero by her treatment and expects support in return...for what? She claims Thais aren't romantic, etc but I can recall the day and date she abruptly stopped the I love you's and I miss you's, etc. and why. It existed but I believe it died just as quickly. I told her 6 months ago to start emailing me for visa since she'd stopped but no such motivation. After seeing a lack of email denial here, I told her basically her lack of willingness to write a few lines a week may have blown it but lucky for me because if it was in her heart, she'd have done so and continued to do so, so the system works even if people can't see themselves there's not reciprocated affection and they've been carrying the relationship on a dream and a hope.

Her standards are lower than mine when it comes to a spouse but at the same time expectations would come out not common with typical Thai culture and I'd hear it for that, also...so I truly believe she was sabotaging it or trying to evoke a response...even asking me to light up into her a few times when she felt she made a mistake (and the one's I can think of were unwarranted-company mistakes she had nothing to do with) but she wanted me to go on a tirade against her which just isn't my style (same stuff can be said two ways)...so she'd get angry since I didn't berate her...some strange game she's played tomeet her self image...bottom line I told her I believe she's used to a certain amount of harsh temper and harsh treatment between spouses, likely role models for her and she's uncomfortable with a guy who is affectionate and I asked if her parents ever told her they loved her (the answer was no, she knew she was hated) bingo...but she recoiled into Thai parental respect and the topic was dead soon as it began.

She'd say she feels sick seeing couples googly eyed at each other in love, etc and it makes her angry but I couldn't get beyond that to help her so it's a dead horse at that point. She likely thinks also I'm so boring I just plain love her, call her his Isaan princess, etc when she feels ugly, uneducated, low, etc. I was willing to change all that (education, have her fun the business) but her self esteem, I believe felt it didn't deserve a good, boring thing overflowing with affection she likely felt was completely undeserved.

She pushed and pushed me so hard for 2 hours even after my warning her it's over if she continues and she pushed it. I stopped taking her calls till today and she acted surprised when I wasn't perfectly happy (the norm after she does this). I finally recited all the things she's said to me yesterday and all year. She acted completely shocked, denied it but after some really low blows she knew were inexcusable, she said (first her normal "OK I bad wife OK maybe you leave me forever" almost like a dare) after I spoke more and she knew this time was different, she said "better we finish then, better you not come Thailand OK" and I said, "Yes, I think that's best..." "I tried to ignore it or pretend it was an accident but I can't have this in a marriage; it's not what I want and I won't be happy having wife not nice to me a lot." Of course she's horribly sad, devastated, etc like every other time but she's done this and we broke up for a couple days (over her anger) but this is different. Her mom even talked to her and told her you don't treat a good husband or any husband by chewing them out top of your lungs all their faults on a monthly basis just because (her mom has told her to knock it off many times) but this time no end of week call and how can we work this out. I'm tired of the pattern. She's a sweetheart who loves me on some level but I can't have this in my life or around my kids.

So My worry is this visa. I have to wait 5 years to reapply with another even if I cancel it? She likely thinks I'll take her back but I told her I've been far to stupid dragging it on this long and should have quit the first out of the blue hatred rage attack (I asked her if she wanted a ribeye or a tbone steak not knowing she didn't know the difference rather than communicating quietly, she flew into a rage in the cab, all the way home, all evening and the next day, still in silence I packed my bags and left her). I told her to COMMUNICATE but saving face I guess put her in the position? I have no clue and I don't care but ending any romantic dinner by screaming in a cab isn't for me (she could have whispered since it was only us 2, geez). OK...back to visa...I'll wait a few days, then cancel it. Previous break ups she's asked to come anyway (love marriage or not..obviously not understanding a k-1) which tells me it's the ticket, benefits and prestige, escape, not me she wants. I'm not spending my hard earned money to keep up with the jonses or to feed any ego's. I hate ego's which is what I "thought" a Buddhist country had little of.

So it's future visa preservation time and closing this one out time for me having learned a good midlife crisis lesson. Best of luck to you all..I'll keep looking but after reading, I'm not so sure Thais are the best given all parts equal relationship marriage wise (nearby cultures don't do the sin sod and don't feed ego's for the most part from what I've read which is a relief)!
HYENAMaleThailand2009-02-12 17:35:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 3 (2009 Thai thread restarted)
thanks for the info. she's no stunner; we're not far of agewise and she needs someone to support her hopefully finding a decent husband. having said that, I don't see a lot of work ethic and a bit too much trailer park attitude....realizing they could be in a different situation but some are poor because of lack of desire. I offered to put some through school. One clepto kid said no (prefers to steal, sell and drink at 11 years old). The others said OK but it turned from school in Isaan to an apartment in BKK and expensive schools in a matter of weeks. #######, can't they jsut take what's offered without one upping it? Likely what the Jones kids do..I could care less. It was a simple offer not to be expanded like that. I just think she's got a jaded perception of a functional relationshiT. Once married, you can lay into your spouse and reduce them to nothing then expect them to be happy the next day. Not my cup of tea. The hard part is the heartbreak. Sure she loves me but long term, I can only take so much when that time of the month rolls around. My last trip I left her...she promised not to do it again but it's happened monthly after every month and I've had it. She doesn't ask for much but every once in a while, I get irritated at the laziness. She helps me with my business but that takes up a couple days a month. No bf at home or anything...no cheating, just jaded perception and a serious aversion to romance and functional loving relationship. I told her if she's coming here, she's going to school (and quell the ignorance that's so prevalent that only education can quash). I'm just finding it more of an egocentric culture more concerned with what everyone else thinks when our culture could care less what anyone thinks as long as #1 is happy. The distance is taking its toll...just don't want to be amidst a mistake. If there were an easy way out, I'd be out. Then she says bring me to the US and we not marry. She simply doesn't understand. I think she's got a good heart but has had too much bad luck in her life not to want to sabotage a good thing--too good to be true in her own eyes likely so she's working on a self fulfilling prophecy. I need someone who's ready for good things to happen and ready to accept a decent man who doesn't drink, beat his wife or ever speak poorly to one you see as a princess regardless of what her culture previously thought. I've been told I'm too nice but #######, what's wrong with being a nice guy? Just tired of getting walked on. I told her if she wants dysfunction, keep on lookin cause it ain't me.

Edited by HYENA, 12 February 2009 - 05:03 AM.

HYENAMaleThailand2009-02-12 05:00:00