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Philippineswill genital warts affect medical and getting visa?
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QUOTE (meljesca @ Aug 28 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Vj's somebody asked me if genital warts could affect her medical exam and getting visa?? thanks...



I dont know if it will affect her visa but its one of the things they look for during physical exam. They check for hemorrhoids, genital warts, evidence of delivery etc etc.



Regarding your discussions about medical exam. you mention about hemorrhoids if somebody has that could it be the grounds for medical failures?thanks for future replies.



They may EXAMINE for evidence of birth, hemmorhoids, and genital warts but i don't THINK that ANY of these are grounds for visa denial. Especially birth and hemorrhoids. BUT, if you say for example you have never given birth, and they see evidence of giving birth, then that may raise some questions in their mind... see?? The big problem that causes all of the extra review and very close scrutiny of all of the applicants here in Phils is the high rate of attempted marriage and visa fraud. The Medical examiners and Consular Officers are trained and CONDITIONED to look for attempted fraud in applicants. So, what may be innocent may be INTERPRETED as attempted fraud and could cause a problem. The story of the CO who thought the VJ was trying to bribe her because the son took money from the purse and put it in the window slot is an excellent example of this. The CO ASSUMED the worst even though it was completely innocent. But, giving birth, having hemorrhoids, and having HPV are NOT reasons to deny visa in and of themselves ACCORDING TO THE RULES THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW. Now, the reason they EXAMINE for Hemmorrhoids and lesions in that general area of the body is that at least two of the 8 diseases show symptoms in the genital or ####### area. So, they check those areas of the body and if they see something, they have to determine is this just hemmorrhoids or a pimple or an ingrown shaved hair or a bug bite, or is it really an indication of one of the problem diseases?

The criteria that are listed by me and another in different posts in this thread are the RULES that the Consular Officers must use to determine eiligibility. I know that I always feel better about these kind of things after i review the rules and then research as much as i can using google or your favorite search engine.

Good Luck and God Bless.



Thanks guys for a very informative replies. God bless !
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-08-29 22:53:00
Philippineswill genital warts affect medical and getting visa?
QUOTE (STEPHnRIA @ Aug 28 2008, 08:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (meljesca @ Aug 28 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Vj's somebody asked me if genital warts could affect her medical exam and getting visa?? thanks...



I dont know if it will affect her visa but its one of the things they look for during physical exam. They check for hemorrhoids, genital warts, evidence of delivery etc etc.



Regarding your discussions about medical exam. you mention about hemorrhoids if somebody has that could it be the grounds for medical failures?thanks for future replies.
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-08-29 09:54:00
PhilippinesInterview Outfit
Hi, please dress properly. Wear something formal, black pants and blouse ( not a revealing one) and choose light color. Wearing formal attire will be additional points for you likewise it begets respect from you and respect to the consul as well. Hope this helps. Have a good one.
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2011-07-07 22:41:00
Philippines~Say Anything Thread~
Hello, fellow VJ-members. Let` break the ice! This is my share!

Can You Make The Ball Change Colors?

> This will drive you absolutely crazy! But, let's see how good you are!
> When you open this web page, the ball will be dangling from your cursor.
> Move the cursor and the ball also moves.
> Flip the ball around and see if you can click on it.
> If you do, the ball will change color!

Open this site and enjoy the game! http://www.overclock...u/ball/ball.php

Patience and Good luck!

God bless,
Netscot
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-26 23:53:00
PhilippinesPOE - Detroit
Hello, I`m glad you arrived there safe and sound. I`m amazed with your very long experience.Thanks for sharing.You`re still energetic to write those experiences knowing that you been from a long, long flight.....Oh..well!!! I enjoy reading it thanks for the posts. For sure it will help me/us who`s P.O.E is Detroit. I will go that POE too in the future. Enjoy your new life there in US of A....Happy reunion....God speed!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-02 10:40:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsVisa Approved
Congratulations and Good luck to both of you. God bless!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-02 19:32:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsFINALLY VISA IN HAND !!
Congratulations, you made it! God bless!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-02 19:34:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsK1 Recieved and almost lost!!!!!!!!! ;)
Thanks for sharing your stories. It will serve as reminders for us to be more careful of handling the visa. Good luck to you and your love ones .God be with you always!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-02 20:29:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reportsthank God
Congrats!!!! and Good luck to your interview!..... dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-07 06:31:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsI GOT MY VISA.......
Congrats and have a safe trip to US. God bless!!!! dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-07 10:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsI GOT MY VISA.......
CONGRATS fellow VJ! You made it! God bless! ..... dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-06 04:17:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsVisa in Hand!
QUOTE (lokashadow04 @ Sep 11 2008, 05:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeheyyyyy.thats good news..CONGRATS!!!!

GOD BLESS,
Irene


Great news!!! may you radiate all the blessings you received by praying for all of us who are still waiting for our approval. Congratulations and God bless!!!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-11 07:52:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCASE STATUS AND PENDING
QUOTE (cherryred_04 @ Sep 13 2008, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HELLO EVERYONE WAY BACK WHEN MY FIANCEE RECEIVED THE NOA1 THAT IT SAID CASE STATUS AND PENDING THIS IS WHAT IT SAYS TO THE NOTICE WITH THE NOA1,AND WUD LIKE TO ASK IF IT TAKES MORE MONTHS TO WAIT BEFORE APPROVE WHEN MY CASE IS PENDING,IS IT NORMAL,HOPE EVERYONE CAN SHARE WITH ME WITH SAME AS MY STATUS THAT WAS PENDING AND APPROVE I AM JUST CUROUIS ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND SCARED IF IT WILL TAKES TOO LONG TO WAIT FOR THE APPROVALS..AND SINCE THE DAYS WE RECEIVED THE NOA1 WHEN I CHECK IT ONLINE IT IS STILL THE SAME NOT LIKE THOSE SOME FILLERS ARE TOUCH AS ALWAYS..OKAY MY DEAR VJ FAMILY HELP ME ENLIGHTENED MY MIND WHATS THOSE THIS MEAN...CASE STATUS AND PENDING....HELP ME PLS...


Hi, cherry red, it`s normal to see those statement written that way. It means that your case is not assigned yet by adjudicator,they just properly noted that your papers are opened and put in active file for next processing .The USCIS are still working for the previous filers who sent their papers ahead of us. Every case were assigned by different adjudicator and so what is best, is to wait for our turn. Don`t worry about touches .....there are some situations that the papers was not even touched and yet they were approved even without touches. So...good luck our time will come , let`s be patient and pray more for our speedy approval. Good luck and God bless!

Check this link: USCIS Processing Time
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-13 05:47:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsFinally NOA2 Is arrived
CONGRATULATIONS......and God bless!!!! dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-13 06:41:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reportshow to cope with the waiting
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QUOTE (miss g @ Sep 9 2008, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi, my fiance and i just recently filed for the fiance visa, i am in the uk, he is in the usa, and because i cant visit him, we have to scrape together whatever funds we have to get him here when we can..

Lots of people have had to go through this i am sure, but i need to know how everyone coped because im finding it really hard, and to make matters worse my fiance is depressed.

does anyone know how long this visa takes esp coming from the Uk or is it the same everywhere?


You can check out the uk averages based on the people at VJ and their timelines here

processing times

Scroll down and find you Statistics by Country, Visa Type (for the last 360 days) and then if you scroll down further you can see Statistics by Consulate, Visa Type (for the last 360 days).

Hope this helps a little. It is hard but spending as much time with John via Phone, email and Skype tend to help us.


Hi, like you I`m experiencing that now but I learned to coped up through busying myself reading some USCIS Stuff for future interview and preparing some documents, spending time sorting our emails and printing it for future documents for NOA2, reading some posts here in VJ , and write some snail mail if you have time to do it , to make a difference. Then if got bored with that try do some arts and crafts that may symbolized your love, read books about family and relationship. It helps and strengthened the relationship with our love ones.. Until here God bless!!!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-10 09:59:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsNOA2 - CSC April Filer here.
Congratzzzzzzzz........Jeff@Chloe....!!!!God is good all the time....dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-13 06:35:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reportswe got it !!!!
Congratulations and Good luck to your visa journey. Keep the faith! smile.gif
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-10 11:37:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsK-1-July filers 2008! Philippines here .....
QUOTE (chadherm @ Sep 24 2008, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am july filer,but from vermont. Is this exclusive for california filers? I wanna join guys!


Hello, Chadherm! This is not exclusive for CSC filers, VSC and other service centers are welcome here as long as you are K-1 July filers or closer timelines such as June filers from Philippines. Feel free to drop by and keep in touch! Godspeed!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-24 05:42:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsK-1-July filers 2008! Philippines here .....
QUOTE (janelle @ Sep 23 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello! Im a june filer. I just wanted to drop by to say goodluck with everything June and July filers smile.gif


Hello, Janelle, thanks for dropping by. Yes,....June filers and other closer timelines are very much welcome here and you can always drop by. Best of luck to all of us .God bless!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-24 01:20:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsK-1-July filers 2008! Philippines here .....
Hello, fellow VJ`S....Just want to invite you to join K-1 -July filers here for (beneficiaries/petitioners). I know there is existing K-1 July filers thread but that`s all over the globe and its not possible for them to meet up here in VJ-Philippines for future interview and medical since they resides in far away countries. Its too early but its good to keep sharing our queries here in VJ for any helpful tips. Let`s keep on praying for speedy and successful approval. C yah guys here!! God bless! eb0dfafc.gif eb0dfafc.gif eb0dfafc.gif



Anyways, here is the link for K-1 July filers round the globe
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-24 00:51:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reportsany advice about NOA1 if when we can have it????
Hi, its normal! We had that situation before when my fiance sent our package, it was sent July 1, via UPS - Michigan to - CSC, they received it July 8 after the holiday, my fiance got acknowledgment receipt only from one of the staff of CSC. It took us 2 weeks before we had our NOA1 hard copy after they received it. Your packet is fine, just wait until the SERVICE CENTER cash out the check and after that you will definitely have your NOA1... Registered mail is fine! its for security purposes and for you to track your package......At least now you have the acknowledgment receipt , it means that your package is in good hands.Just wait until they open it....Good luck and God bless!!!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-25 04:02:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsNo NOA1 yet Anyone with same scenario?
QUOTE (MayaLar @ Sep 29 2008, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Everyone!

My fiance filed our visa application for K1 Visa first week of June...We haven't heard from USCIS since then...It was transferred to California Visa Center...Received encashed check a week after filing....

It's been 4months already and no Notice of action 1 yet....????

Please give us some advise....Thank you so much!


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Hello, Maya! I guess you`re talking about the hard copy of NOA1. From what I have read there is June filers who have their NOA1 hard copy already! maybe they`re just delayed because you`re case was transferred to another service center. Maybe you can make follow up call to your new service center but in some case even they have NOA1 hard copy they can have their NOA2 as long as they`re check was cashed.....Good luck who know`s you `ll have yours soon....God bless!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-29 22:33:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsGot my VISA TODAY!!! FLIGHT ON SEPT. 25 @ 6:36AM
Congrats finally you have your visa...Happy Reunion with your honey and God bless you on your travel to USA. dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif dancin5hr.gif
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-09-23 22:29:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsApproved in Record Time!
CONGRATULATIONS! GOD IS GOOD ALL THE TIME! HAVE A SAFE JOURNEY TO U.S.!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-10-08 04:13:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsWE GOT NOA2 TODAY !!!!!
CONGRATULATIONS!!! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-10-10 21:13:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsRFE again!!!
Hi, just send them whatever they`re asking for additional RFE. It`s good that you have RFE, it means they are really looking and reviewing your case, if you still have more to send for evidences send it as soon as possible. If you love each other no questions asked but to follow whatever it takes.Anyway, true love waits and immigration thing is just a process, Your gift of self to one another is lifetime compare to preparing that RFE thing. My fiance and I , were on the 3 months waiting for our NOA2 we haven`t received any RFE, I hope they won`t asks from us since we sent all the evidences asking from the checklists.You`ve gone that far in your visa journey Vermont is fast than CSC, maybe after sending back your RFE , they may approved your papers after that.God has his all reason ! Have faith and have more patient! God bless in your journey!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-10-14 22:30:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsPetition Approved!
Congratulations! that`s indeed a good news!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-10-17 09:10:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reportshow far are we
QUOTE (sanjanaa @ Oct 24 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
innocent.gif I FEEL EVERYONE THAT JULY 2 NOA IS JUST IN THE CORNER, THINK POSITIVE AS OUR THOUGHTS ARE SO POWERFUL THAT THEY COME TRUE kicking.gif


Hi, We`re almost the same time line, we had our noa1 July 23 . Yes, you`re right we can expect our noa2 soon this coming month....Lets...pray...pray more..Good luck to all of us!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-10-25 05:50:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsWe are Approved!!
Congratulations and Good luck!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-10-29 05:14:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsMy Big day
Congratulations and Best wishes. May you have a happy and fulfilled life together.God bless!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-05 04:39:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reportsnoa2 approved!!!!!!!
QUOTE (Cmehat @ Nov 3 2008, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
YAY! I woke up this morning and checked my status and we're approved for our noa2 YAY. I've updated my timeline. I wish goodluck and fast responses for everyone waiting out there. Don't give up! Don't let the time make you sad....when that day comes and you see 'noa2 approved' You will realize it was completely worth the wait to see those 2 simple words!!! woo hoo!

Cindy smile.gif

And quick question....They sent my fiance a noa2 approval notice. I've read the guidelines 1000x times but can you guys help reiterate to me what's going to happen next....Love you all! *God Bless*


Congratulations and kindly pray for the rest of us whose still waiting for NOA2. Good luck to the rest of the process. God bless!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-05 04:31:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsNOA2 Approved-June filer
QUOTE (AngelSaint @ Nov 7 2008, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just want to share how happy I am!

We got our NOA2 TODAY!!!
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To GOD be the Glory!!! Thank You LORD!!!
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Congratulations and Good luck to the rest of your visa process!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-07 06:24:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsJuly CSC - K-1 Filers are on process now, Good luck to all of us!
QUOTE (Chris & Mara @ Nov 9 2008, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (inGODShands @ Nov 10 2008, 04:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's FANTASTIC news!!!! Hey, is that ONLY for K-1's at CSC or does this apply to VSC too? We filed in July '08 at VSC. I hope this applies to BOTH service centers! smile.gif PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE let me know... I'd REALLY appreciate it. wink.gif May God grant us ALL a smooth & speedy approval. smile.gif


Ingodshands,

There have been 4 July VSC filers that have been approved this month, http://cse.ssl.berke...vjdata/vsc.aspx

Remember Igor's list only tracks VJ members, I am sure there are probably double the amount of applications to USCIS each month then the number of members here.

However

This is awesome news for both centers, a new month means everyone is one step closer biggrin.gif GOGO CSC and VSC August needs the love, so hurry up with getting July done and dusted!

- Mara


Yes, maybe if CSC are moving it means VSC are moving too because I guess they`re more faster I think than CSC......gooooo....gooooo....gooooo for us.....CSC and VSC....more NOA2 this month...God bless us all!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-09 20:21:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsJuly CSC - K-1 Filers are on process now, Good luck to all of us!
Hello, guys. Just want to share this good news. I just visited Igor’s list and I’m happy that July K-1 Filers are on process now some got their NOA2 already as stated " Sent July 2 - got NOA2-Nov.7,`08...It means that USCIS are moving and so all July filers are approaching for their NOA2.......Let’s pray and pray for us CSC July filers for more approvals. .......Good luck to all of us!

Check Igor’s list below! Please update time lines for any development for the benefit of all those waiting.

Good job CSC ! good.gif good.gif good.gif

http://cse.ssl.berke...ta/default.aspx
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-09 12:21:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsOMG.....finally its here beside me.
Congratulations, finally you have your visa now after the long wait.....Have a safe trip soon and God bless!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-11 05:03:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsK-1 Finally Approved! Now I can breathe again
QUOTE (AKVentura @ Nov 13 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
kicking.gif Yessssss!

I've been pretty quiet on this forum, but I now I can breath & relax a little. I just received an email that a our NOA2 was sent out today(11/13/08). I wanted to give the July petition filers words of encouragement. Hang in there! Your approvals are coming soon also!


Congratulations I am happy for you! Good luck to the rest of the process! I hope ours arrived soon!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-14 06:07:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsApproved!!!
A Big Congrats to both of you! Good luck to the rest of the journey! God bless!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-15 10:20:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsNOA-2 approved for 7/3/2008 Filer!
QUOTE (Devildog @ Nov 14 2008, 08:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I knew something was up when 2 touches were made on my case status this week. I kept on checking and checking and I just found out that our NOA-2 got approved!!! Man~ what a relief!!! The wait was a little over 4 months but it sure seemed like forever. Now I've gotta stay busy gathering my documents and send them over to my girl.

For those of my fellow July filers, hang in there. I think CSC is pumping out NOA-2s since election is finally over. To make it even better, the approval came about a week quicker than the Visajourney's anticipated date.

I'll keep posting my timeline and status so that I can at least do something good for this community of Visa Journeys.

Thank you all and Happy Thanksgiving!!!


Congratulations! I`m happy to see July filers that have been approved. Hope ours arrived soon. Good luck to the rest of the process . God speed!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-16 08:29:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsJuly NOA2 at CSC
QUOTE (maliciant @ Nov 15 2008, 06:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm seeing a lot of July filers get approvals, what's weird is so far it seems most of them sent their petition in 7-3, and received a NOA1 7-22... there is some variation on the sent date from 7-1 to 7-3 but was there some long delay at CSC sending out NOA1's in august that's causing these weird numbers now (maybe the officers were doing citizenship stuff exclusively)?


Hi, I noticed that also we sent our papers July 1, but it was received July 8 , because in between of that date there is holiday (independence day-July 4) So, we had our NOA1 - July 23, from my self -assessment and base on the time line I viewed they are not following the date I129F sent, nor when was the I129F received , they are following the date they issue the NOA1. ......Cheers, our will arrived soon, I guess CSC is moving forward because everyday I saw it from Igor`s list, from time to time it is updated. Good luck and let`s patiently wait. Our time will come soon. While waiting just kindly prepare the paper works needed during the interview so when approval comes, you may have little work to do and you will not cram doing all your documents. Godspeed!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-17 01:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsFinally- NOA2
QUOTE (Nataliya @ Nov 14 2008, 06:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello, everyone. I have been pretty much behind the curtain as far as posting, but i had to share the good news. My fiance is still asleep so I had to share with someone that our petition was approved yesterday, November 13th good.gif ! I hope the rest of the journey is easier than the long wait that is finally over. Good luck to everyone, you will get there too!


Congratulations and Good luck to the next step. Godspeed!
Honey&SweetyFemalePhilippines2008-11-14 09:45:00