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ChinaGUZ P3 Shortcut - Latest correct forms?
Yes, the forms on the Guangzhou embassy website for the P3 is the same as the package they send you through EMS. You can easily fill them out and have them ready when you do receive the package.

The only thing you will not have is your case number. That comes with the P3 cover letter. You can't send the P3 back to the embassy without that case number.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-04-27 23:07:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionDCF China domicile questions

How about your US tax returns from the past few years? The US taxes on worldwide income. Even if you don't owe tax, you may been required to file.

See this link from the State Dept. website re: domicile -->> http://travel.state....nfo_3183.html#3


No, I filed them late. So I do have my tax returns.

I guess I'm just nervous. I have everything that I've seen others have who've been in the same situation that I'm in (young college students without a there own place). I'm just worried about not having an apartment contract or US employment. I can't leave China until June 30th when my current teaching contract is up. I don't think that gives me enough time to find a job in the US before an interview.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-17 01:10:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionDCF China domicile questions
I was s student when I first came to China three years ago. I got married a year after I arrived and have been working full time as a teacher since then.

I'm trying to get together proof of domicile without having to actually go to the US before my wife (I wanted us to leave together)

My hometown is in a rural mountain area in Western North Carolina, and before coming to China I was staying with my folks while I attended college. I was planning on stay with them while I finished my degree.

My question is: Do I need a lease from my Mom renting my room to me and my wife, or will a notarized statment from the head of the household stating that I will be living with them be fine?

Things that I do have for proof of domicile are:
1. Valid Drivers Licence
2. Bank statements from the last three years (2008-2011) sent to my American residence (my folks house)
3. Voter registration card
4. Car lease
5. Car insurance

Do you think this will fly with the embassy? I've had trouble finding example of people being receiving blue slips due to domicile issues. Would it be best I just go back to America and get employment?
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-17 00:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsNext time someone calls USCIS ask them if they know about our tweets
You can try, but USCIS is a government agency. That means any government worker 9 times out of 10 will only do what is required to do their jobs and nothing more.

You have a better chance of seeing Billy Graham doing the Hula on MTV than finding a government employee who actually cares what we think. This generally applies to most governments anywhere and is not limited to the US only.

But if you do ask someone over to do something, you should keep in mind two things.

1. Are you requesting something they need to do, but aren't required to?
2. Are they not doing something they should be?

If your inquiry doesn't have anything to do with the above, then they probably won't do anything about it. If they aren't doing something they should then its an easy fix, but requires perseverance and patience. However, if you're requesting that they do something that you think they should be doing, then you are really going to have to convince them that it will make their jobs easier.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-21 23:21:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reports4 months from NVC to consulate???

This is what I mean though. I had plenty of packages and documents sent from the US to me or my fiance in China and they always arrived within 7 days. One would think a large package sent from some random American would take longer to clear in customs than one sent from the government.


Yeah, but one package from some guy in the US is easier to check. Remember NVC isn't sending the applications one at a time. They bulk ship out thousands of applications with accompanying documents several times a month. That's tens of thousands of papers and hundreds of boxes constantly coming from the US office. I guaranty you when China sends huge boxes of stuff from there government offices American customs officials check through all of them as well. China and America aren't allies, and this is the normal treatment between "unfriendly" nations. Kind of like a bureaucratic pissing match.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-04-29 22:32:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reports4 months from NVC to consulate???

I wrote to the consulate in Guangzhou asking if they had received our case from NVC which was mailed on the 22nd and got this infuriating response.

Thank you for your inquiry.

We have received notice that the NVC is sending the case file to the Consulate. We have not yet received the case file. Shipments of case files from the NVC can take four months or longer to arrive in China and clear Chinese customs. We have no control over how quickly case files are cleared by Chinese customs, and long delays are possible. We will send out an instruction package to your beneficiary once we receive the case file. Your patience is appreciated.

Bullsh*t. I lived in China for a lengthy amount of time and it never took more than 7 days to receive anything that was sent to me.



I know it sucks, and I understand what you mean about getting packages and documents inside China. But the package isn't coming from inside China, they are coming from the US.

Customs is the main reason that you will waiting for up to three months before the consulate will even touch your case. The NVC isn't sending your case through FedEx. All of those applications are sent in bulk. China is always suspicious of large boxes of documents coming from "unfriendly" countries. \ After the embassy actually gets your case it will take about three to four weeks before your significant other gets the P3, and then another three to four weeks before they get the P4, and then another three to four weeks for the interview. So you still have about six or seven months before you'll be finished.

The main reason guys wait over two years to get there visa's is because it takes over six months to get the I-130 approved, and then six months to clear through customs and the embassy. That's why DCF is faster because it only deals with the embassy and has no customs checks. Not because they are expediting our cases.

Hang it there, your half way there.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-04-29 03:12:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureshelp me please
the idea of front loading the I-130 with as much as they can take is important because anything you send will be in the system for months. That means the Guangzhou embassy will have all the time they need to look over your evidence and come to a conclusion before the interview.

I've know embassy workers who complained that it wasn't really possible to be completely sure if an application was legitimate or not until the interview. They said it was much easier to tell once they saw a real person to decide if there was fraud involved. Unfortunately the embassy throws a wide net when weeding out the fraud cases, and many innocent couple get caught in it.

Don't go over board with the chat logs and letters unless they really show the progress and development of the relationship. Having a well 'organized' application with plenty of reference material shows the VO that you are serious about your intentions. Also, don't forget to include a EOR (evolution of relationship) letter with the I-130. Although it is not necessary it helps paint a picture of your relationship in greater detail, and allows them to fact check your story more easily. I've seen a lot of guys get into trouble later on because they didn't take the I-130 seriously.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-01 22:18:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresReg: EOR

PS: we were classmates for 6 years in elementary school(i have 2 old pictures that can approve we went to same school during that time).Then after we finished elementary school we went to difference schools to have our educations done.before i finished high school in China and I immigrated to USA with my parents. My mom and his mom are good friends in life. As same as most of Chinese parents, they were so worried about our marriage life when i and my hubby are turning to 30 yrs old soon, so they reconnected us together again. After we had talked on phone for couple times, and i went back to china last May and traveled with him , then we decided that we want to have our own family, so we are married. Then I went to Hongkong with my hubby last OCT for another vacation togethere, but we only stayed there for 3 days because we had to go back to China because his father passed away suddenly. So like my case, do i still need to write an ERO to approve our relationship?


Yes, I think an EOR helps. Its can make a difference if the case is not very strong, but it sounds like you can prove you have a real relationship. It depends on what evidence you are planning to take to the interview. An EOR can help the embassy better understand your case since there isn't any other way to get your story out to them. If your living in America, and can't come to the interview I would suggest getting it notarized. Some people include them with the I-130, and this is what i did.

I'm wondering why you got the K3 visa? Your husband won't get a SS number or work permit when he arrives. CR1 would give you both and they take the same amount of time as the K3.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-10 04:03:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresGreen card aplication after getting visa?

Thank you for all your help Canadian Wife. My permanent address is with my parents, and that is where we are moving to (temporarily, until we find a suitable apartment) doesn't that mean we have an established domicile? My father, who owns the house we are moving to, was the join sponsor for our I-864.
Looking over the I-864 instructions that you sent me we qualify to have domicile in the US since I have voting records and bank statements and a permanent mailing address back home. I even have to go to jury duty when I arrive back in the states in June (a nice welcome home gift).
That is why I think we felt my wife could enter before me, because we already have a home to go to. Do I still need to enter with her, or be waiting for her at our new home?
Thank you for all your help with this.



Domicile only mattered when you were trying to get the CR1 visa. Now that you have the visa it doesn't matter were you live or what you do for employment. Everyone has to follow the rules, and this one is important if you want to get through the POE. I don't know how long you have to stay in the US for your wife not to violate the conditions of her visa.

I know it seems inconvenient, but I don't think having your wife's visa revoked is worth finishing three months of your contact. Could your wife stay a little longer in China? I wish there was an easier way since I'll be in the same situation as you.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-28 19:25:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresGreen card aplication after getting visa?
They others are right. You wife cannot enter the US through the POE without you. You have two choices. You either go ahead of her or you go together. If she try's to enter without you she could be refused entry.

Also, you should update your timeline. It might not seem important, but many of us use them to get an idea of what to expect.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-28 00:49:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresCR-1, Oongoing Marital Union

Thanks for the tip. I will look into CFL. I've been there before. Good information there. I would love to live in China for awhile. I've been there 3 times already and enjoy that country immensely. But I got too many health issues that require too many visits to my doctors. So I can't stay there for an extended period of time. I like the idea of her visiting here, but she keeps complaining that she can't get a visitor visa here. Don't know why. I've already done the money transfer and plan to continue to do it every couple of months.


Anybody else? Ideas?



Its hard for girlfriends and fiances to get a travel visa. Its a whole other game when its wives. It takes a few times and she will need to have about 50,000 or 70,000RMB in the bank for the interview, but it is very doable. I was married for over a year and a half and lived in China, and they still refused my wife a travel visa. It took two tries for us. I know it seems a hassle but it is worth the trouble.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-29 07:08:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresCR-1, Oongoing Marital Union
Many guys have the same problem. Try going to this website http://candleforlove...dex.php?act=idx

Its called Candle for Love and it deals exclusively with US visa in China. You will find hundreds of guys on that forum who asked the exact same question, and all the answers they got.

Most of the marriages between a US citizen and a Chinese citizen seem to be long distance, and the embassy does give couples a hard time about this. Visa fraud is high with internet romances so they may be a bit picky. The way I see it you have three choices:

1. Move to China and get a work or student visa and wait six months and DCF in China (you would be finished in maybe 12 to 18 months)

2. Wait to file the I-130 so that you can establish a legitimate like money transfers, gifts, emails, letters, and trips to China and then file the I-130 (waiting time 18 to 24 months)
3. File the I-130 now and maybe get denied a year later, then again maybe you won't get denied. Its a little bit of a gamble, and there is no way to know for sure when you will me done. (waiting time 18 to ???? months)



If you can wait, and want to make sure, spend some time developing the marriage. If you can't wait any longer and want this done as soon as possible then move to China. But if you can't move to China, and you don't mind taking a chance then read this guy's thread and see how much evidence you can get and hope its enough. http://candleforlove...43

It shows you some of the things this guy included that may give you an idea. If you want my opinion from reading hundreds of reports from guys in the exact same position as you, I would wait to file the I-130. A married followed by a brief stay in China and then a I-130 is a red flag. I've seen dozens of wives denied visas because the husbands only spent less then a month or tow in person.

You do have a fourth option. Get your wife a travel visa. Its a little tricky and you may need to apply two or three times, but once your wife gets the travel visa she can easily renew it every year. One couple in Beijing has the wife living in the US for the past five years on a travel visa. Once your wife has the travel visa she can come and go as many times as she wants. Its not too hard to get one, but does take planning and patients. The nice thing is they don't revoke your wife's travel visa while you are filing her CR1 visa.

If you want to make your life simple and happier I would go for the travel visa.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-03-29 05:06:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresMay I Use a long Hypothetical 'Fairy-Tale" Example, here?
What was the point of the story? Are you asking why the government doesn't take "love" and "sincerity" into account when deciding cases?

I don't mean to be heartless but a 47 year old bachelor without a degree, house and money wouldn't fill me with confidence either.

I remember law makers had complained that the majority of the people filing immigration visas were far below the poverty line, and the main reason they got married was to improve their standard of living. There were attempts to stop the policy of allowing co-sponsors except in rare cases with young couples or students.

I can't comment on the reasons for guys wanting to find online wives, or have really short courtships before marriage. Its a free country, and they have the right to live how they want.

All I know is that 70% of all fraud cases in China comes from middle aged lower middle class guys and long distant relationships. So if your cases even has a little whiff of fraud to it they are going to give you the third degree. And its not just China and the US. Canada has a tax if a Canadian citizen marries a foreign spouse and they divorce within the first few years of getting a green card.

Sorry to say it but being in love does not overcome really bad judgment.
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-04-03 02:37:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresMarried and living in China
Wow, I think you really need to file the I-130 now at the American embassy. Now! You need to make an appointment, and it can take a few weeks, and if you do this you might only have to wait four to six months.

If you leave and file in America you will be waiting maybe 18 months to two years to finish.

You really should have done your research on this website and online before making any long term plans. If you don't file DCF your really going to regret it later.

You can check my earlier post to see how to do DCF at the Beijing embassy, but it will depend were you live as to where you file. I would suggest starting this right away, or even delaying your plans to go back to America until this is finished and the I-130 is files and approved. After that you can go anytime.

http://www.visajourn...dcf-in-beijing/
Dante3rdMaleChina2011-05-07 01:24:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresHow long did it take to Beijing DCF?
Any member who filed DCF in Beijing.

How long did it take to finish the process? Did your wife or husband travel to your home before you filed the CR1?

Someone told me the embassy speeds up the process if your spouse traveled and returned before filing an immigration visa.

Anyone finish in less than a year?
Dante3rdMaleChina2010-09-21 08:28:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWhat Is LingChe NVC Shortcut?
I saw someone on the forum mention the Lingche NVC shortcut and read about it on Wiki.

From the sound of the wiki article it seems like a way to speed up the process, but confused why it would be quicker.

Anyone tried this before?
Dante3rdMaleChina2010-09-21 07:39:00