Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (Barza Woman @ May 9 2009, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Ihavequestions @ May 9 2009, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 9 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> as for him getting a 2nd wife i have not thought of that Well, you need to think about it and you need to decide if that's something you can accept, if it should happen. And NO he does not need to ask permission to take another because it is his right to have as many as four wives. QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 9 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> plus in usa he only aloud 1 wife by law. Technically, that's true. However, how many multiple-wife Mormon wives are actually prosecuted? Few, if any. And what has been prosecuted has been connected to a wife who was underage. There are many, many multiple wife, religiously sanctioned, marriages in the United States. Besides, what's to say he won't go back home and marry another? It's legal there, isn't it? Morocco changed its law a few years ago making it illegal to marry more than 1 wife without the first wife's permission and further scrutiny from the court. It is not a man's right in Islam to have more than 1 wife. The Quran makes it clear that the allowance is intended to provide protection for unaffiliated women and their property, and even advises against it, due to Allah's great demands on those who enter into that trust. The perversion that some men have made it is not a reflection in the faith, but proof that Allah was right about the hubris to which humans are highly suseptible. He vividly warns of the hellfire to come when His limits are violated re multiple marriage and family relations. Muslims are also called upon to observe the laws of the land they are living in, as long as they do not prevent them from the practicing the fundamentals of their faith. Plural marriage is a regulated and limited permission given with conditions that need to be present before the permission even exists. Any man who marries another woman while married to another without observing the limits and conditions is not acting as a Muslim seeking to please God and protect women, but out of his own lust. Not everything that a Muslim does is Islamic. Besides, in the US, there are no second spouses, since there is no recognition of the legality of a marital relationship beyond the first husband or first wife. Mormon break away sects that encourage men to "marry" several women acknowledge that there is only one legal wife in such households. The rest are "spiritual wives", who are subject to community support. Their practice is not analygous to Muslim plural marriage in which all wives would be legal. In the US, having one legal wife, who would automatically benefit from the marital estate, and other less than legal mistresses would violate the directive that all wives be treated equally. The lawyers I work with have taken on cases in the US where legal wives confronted in widowhood or divorce with their husband's mistress "wives". The mistresses are easily left with nothing, since the legal wife is the only one with recognized rights, even when a will distributes property to the mistresses, for marital assets fall to the legal wife after death, and are subject to court adjudication during divorce. If a legal wife puts up with her husband's mistress, that is a situation that has been agreed upon between them. It is not necessarily a situation sanctioned by Islam. we not need it to stay in hotels ourselves really. ann , had told me that she and her guy did it so they could stay together in places and rent a house together. but when i ask karim about it he said he not know of such a thing, and it couldn't be a real marriage if it was not sent to consulate/embassy to be logged in records. me, i just want us to do the fastest way for us to be together. some say k-1 faster, some say do k-3, so idk really the best. but i want to get this started, so maybe do k-1 and go there for awhile for a visit with him and his family	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-09 13:24:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (Barza Woman @ May 9 2009, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Ihavequestions @ May 9 2009, 04:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 9 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> as for him getting a 2nd wife i have not thought of that Well, you need to think about it and you need to decide if that's something you can accept, if it should happen. And NO he does not need to ask permission to take another because it is his right to have as many as four wives. QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 9 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> plus in usa he only aloud 1 wife by law. Technically, that's true. However, how many multiple-wife Mormon wives are actually prosecuted? Few, if any. And what has been prosecuted has been connected to a wife who was underage. There are many, many multiple wife, religiously sanctioned, marriages in the United States. Besides, what's to say he won't go back home and marry another? It's legal there, isn't it? Morocco changed its law a few years ago making it illegal to marry more than 1 wife without the first wife's permission and further scrutiny from the court. It is not a man's right in Islam to have more than 1 wife. The Quran makes it clear that the allowance is intended to provide protection for unaffiliated women and their property, and even advises against it, due to Allah's great demands on those who enter into that trust. The perversion that some men have made it is not a reflection in the faith, but proof that Allah was right about the hubris to which humans are highly suseptible. He vividly warns of the hellfire to come when His limits are violated re multiple marriage and family relations. Muslims are also called upon to observe the laws of the land they are living in, as long as they do not prevent them from the practicing the fundamentals of their faith. Plural marriage is a regulated and limited permission given with conditions that need to be present before the permission even exists. Any man who marries another woman while married to another without observing the limits and conditions is not acting as a Muslim seeking to please God and protect women, but out of his own lust. Not everything that a Muslim does is Islamic. Besides, in the US, there are no second spouses, since there is no recognition of the legality of a marital relationship beyond the first husband or first wife. Mormon break away sects that encourage men to "marry" several women acknowledge that there is only one legal wife in such households. The rest are "spiritual wives", who are subject to community support. Their practice is not analygous to Muslim plural marriage in which all wives would be legal. In the US, having one legal wife, who would automatically benefit from the marital estate, and other less than legal mistresses would violate the directive that all wives be treated equally. The lawyers I work with have taken on cases in the US where legal wives confronted in widowhood or divorce with their husband's mistress "wives". The mistresses are easily left with nothing, since the legal wife is the only one with recognized rights, even when a will distributes property to the mistresses, for marital assets fall to the legal wife after death, and are subject to court adjudication during divorce. If a legal wife puts up with her husband's mistress, that is a situation that has been agreed upon between them. It is not necessarily a situation sanctioned by Islam. i agree with what you have said, it totally makes since. i like learning stuff and some this was really great to learn. as for he and i, we want a real marriage. and we want to do things the right/legal way of both countries. aslo i have a question, how could i become a dual citizen of both countries? i don't think even if we married there it would quailify me for that just by marriage alone.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-09 13:10:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (Ihavequestions @ May 9 2009, 03:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 9 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> as for him getting a 2nd wife i have not thought of that Well, you need to think about it and you need to decide if that's something you can accept, if it should happen. And NO he does not need to ask permission to take another because it is his right to have as many as four wives. QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 9 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> plus in usa he only aloud 1 wife by law. Technically, that's true. However, how many multiple-wife Mormon wives are actually prosecuted? Few, if any. And what has been prosecuted has been connected to a wife who was underage. There are many, many multiple wife, religiously sanctioned, marriages in the United States. Besides, what's to say he won't go back home and marry another? It's legal there, isn't it? well he has said he only can afford one wife, and no one else in his family has more than one wife. but if it did turn out that he decided hee wanted another, he'd loose me cause i'd divorce him. i have questioned him about this stuff, so he knows how i feel of this.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-09 11:03:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (Barza Woman @ May 9 2009, 02:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> An Islamic marriage is like any religious marriage; it's not legal unless rcognized by an authorized government entity. The kind of arrangement you're talking about is what's called a paper marriage or an urfi marriage. It is not legal in Islam and no legitimate imam is going to conduct a fake marriage so you can stay in hotels together since Islam requires chastity before marriage. And, it is disengenuos to abid by the laws of the US t get the visa, while ignoring the laws of a Muslim country re how to to be married Islamically. As a Muslim, I find it insulting that a Muslim man would allow his beloved to believe such a thing is ok. Some western women, uneducated in Islam and the culture of Morocco, have fallen for this, but an honorable Muslim man will not suggest that a woman "fake marry" him so they can sleep together, and then file for a K1 visa. I would suggest that before you marry a man whose culture and religion you are clearly in the dark about, you make a greater effort to learn more about both, or accept the fact that you could be easily lead astray. As charles stated, paper marriage has been discussed countless times on the MENA board. Here is a related discussion that may be useful to you. http://www.visajourn...h...192364&st=0 he not the one thatbrought this up, a girl was telling me this is what she has did and will file the k-1 when she come sback from morocco at the end of this month	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-09 10:53:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (muslimlady37 @ May 8 2009, 09:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 11:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (muslimlady37 @ May 8 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ May 8 2009, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ May 8 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i have a question. i'm a bit confused with this. if we get married at the home by imam, (just a islamic wedding) one that doesn't get filed at the consulate. would it wreck our k-1? i am under the impression that an islamic marriage is not a legal marriage in the usa. i've heard different things on this, so i was wondering if anyone had the facts on this. The US recognizes any legal foreign marriage. If it is legal, it is recognized. If you get married before the K-1 is issued and your fiance comes to the US, you will have to swtich to an I-130 or CR-1 visa. This is covered by the age old quote..."You pays your nickle and you takes your choice" You cannot do it both ways. If you are trying to satisfy some requirement of islam, then a "phoney" wedding would not do. A legal wedding will void the K-1. so the usa does see an islamic marriage as a legal marriage? so even if it not registered thru the consulate, it would still count The US does not decide one religions marriage is legal and another's is not. Do you think they say Islamic marriage is not legal but Catholic marriage is? Jewish? Hindu? Of course, a legal marriage is a legal marriage by any religious denomination IF it is recognized in the country where it is performed, that is a question only the OP can answer. I am not sure by what is meant by "registered with the consulate". US consulates do not register marriages. That is done under the laws of the country (state, county, whatever) where the marriage is performed. It is simple, IF you are legally married, you cannot process a K-1 visa. Correct me if my assumption is wrong. I believe the OP asks this question in the hopes of being able to continue with a K-1 visa (generally faster) and meet some religious demand of Islam for an Islamic marriage or whatever (not familiar with the customs, forgive me) If the marriage is not "legal" how would it meet the customs of Islam? A Catholic church would not consider a phoney ceremony to be a "Catholic marriage" to meet the traditions of that sacrament of the church and I doubt you would find a priest willing to do it just so you could run off and get married later by the JP. I am just saying this may jeapordize the K-1 and/or not satisfy Islamic tradition. In Morocco an American Citizen must get an eligibilty to marry from the US Embassy in order to get married even in a Islamic Ceremony. The courts in Morocco will not legally look at the OP as being legally married because she would not have this documentation from the Embassy and the Minsister of Foreign Affairs to get married. Moroccan nationals have to go to their local courts themselves to get permission to marry. This will just be a blessing of the relationship and by no uncertain terms will this be a legal marriage. I stated in my earlier writtings that the OP must not call this a Islamic Wedding Ceremony because even according to their customs this is not legal. i only need the police record report to have all the needed papers, all the others we have, but we not married cause we was told it would take longer for the visa process if we are married You will not need no police report or any investigation at all because you are not getting legally marriage. Are you an American Citizen? Forgive me because I have not read your entire profile, but if you are a US Citizen the police can't do an investigation on you to get married there unless you have these forms I mention earlier. If you want to go that route then I suggest that you need to do the CR1. K1 in the past went faster, but it seems as if the CR1 are moving allot faster then in the past. 27days and my NOA2 was approved on a CR1 application. If you already filed a K1 then no since in losing your money and time you already invested into this relationship. If you fantasize about having Islamic Ceremony and this is your way of making your fantasy to be somewhat real, except for the fact that you won't be legally married in Moroccan accourding to Islamic Law nor in American Law at all. Have the ceremoney, but just know that it's not legal and call it something other then a wedding. Because let me tell you a personnal story. A lady had a K1 visa and it was in AP status there at the consulate. So some months go by and she grew impatients, and she went over there and married her then fiance. Well her flight to come home to the states were on a Thursday. Well guess what Friday morning her now husband got a call from the Counsulate to tell him bring in his passport that day and that his fiance visa would be issued that Monday. This man went in to get his visa Monday morning and you can guess what happen next. So close but yet so far. They told him that they found out that they were legally married and- that they could not give him a fiance visa. The difference between your sitituation and the one that I just explained is that they did all the legal document and your not. Questions are you doing this thinking this could stop him- from- going back to Morocco years later and getting a wife if you have a ceremony that is not legal there? The answer is that if it is not in their court registers and legal yes he could go back and take a second wife, of course with your permission. i meant i only needed the police record for us to get married lawfully there, we have all the other papers stamped and translated. yes i am usa citizen. as for him getting a 2nd wife i have not thought of that, plus in usa he only aloud 1 wife by law. what is cr-1, i don't know about that.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-09 00:06:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (muslimlady37 @ May 8 2009, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ May 8 2009, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ May 8 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i have a question. i'm a bit confused with this. if we get married at the home by imam, (just a islamic wedding) one that doesn't get filed at the consulate. would it wreck our k-1? i am under the impression that an islamic marriage is not a legal marriage in the usa. i've heard different things on this, so i was wondering if anyone had the facts on this. The US recognizes any legal foreign marriage. If it is legal, it is recognized. If you get married before the K-1 is issued and your fiance comes to the US, you will have to swtich to an I-130 or CR-1 visa. This is covered by the age old quote..."You pays your nickle and you takes your choice" You cannot do it both ways. If you are trying to satisfy some requirement of islam, then a "phoney" wedding would not do. A legal wedding will void the K-1. so the usa does see an islamic marriage as a legal marriage? so even if it not registered thru the consulate, it would still count The US does not decide one religions marriage is legal and another's is not. Do you think they say Islamic marriage is not legal but Catholic marriage is? Jewish? Hindu? Of course, a legal marriage is a legal marriage by any religious denomination IF it is recognized in the country where it is performed, that is a question only the OP can answer. I am not sure by what is meant by "registered with the consulate". US consulates do not register marriages. That is done under the laws of the country (state, county, whatever) where the marriage is performed. It is simple, IF you are legally married, you cannot process a K-1 visa. Correct me if my assumption is wrong. I believe the OP asks this question in the hopes of being able to continue with a K-1 visa (generally faster) and meet some religious demand of Islam for an Islamic marriage or whatever (not familiar with the customs, forgive me) If the marriage is not "legal" how would it meet the customs of Islam? A Catholic church would not consider a phoney ceremony to be a "Catholic marriage" to meet the traditions of that sacrament of the church and I doubt you would find a priest willing to do it just so you could run off and get married later by the JP. I am just saying this may jeapordize the K-1 and/or not satisfy Islamic tradition. In Morocco an American Citizen must get an eligibilty to marry from the US Embassy in order to get married even in a Islamic Ceremony. The courts in Morocco will not legally look at the OP as being legally married because she would not have this documentation from the Embassy and the Minsister of Foreign Affairs to get married. Moroccan nationals have to go to their local courts themselves to get permission to marry. This will just be a blessing of the relationship and by no uncertain terms will this be a legal marriage. I stated in my earlier writtings that the OP must not call this a Islamic Wedding Ceremony because even according to their customs this is not legal. i only need the police record report to have all the needed papers, all the others we have, but we not married cause we was told it would take longer for the visa process if we are married	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-08 22:47:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ May 8 2009, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ May 8 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i have a question. i'm a bit confused with this. if we get married at the home by imam, (just a islamic wedding) one that doesn't get filed at the consulate. would it wreck our k-1? i am under the impression that an islamic marriage is not a legal marriage in the usa. i've heard different things on this, so i was wondering if anyone had the facts on this. The US recognizes any legal foreign marriage. If it is legal, it is recognized. If you get married before the K-1 is issued and your fiance comes to the US, you will have to swtich to an I-130 or CR-1 visa. This is covered by the age old quote..."You pays your nickle and you takes your choice" You cannot do it both ways. If you are trying to satisfy some requirement of islam, then a "phoney" wedding would not do. A legal wedding will void the K-1. so the usa does see an islamic marriage as a legal marriage? so even if it not registered thru the consulate, it would still count The US does not decide one religions marriage is legal and another's is not. Do you think they say Islamic marriage is not legal but Catholic marriage is? Jewish? Hindu? Of course, a legal marriage is a legal marriage by any religious denomination IF it is recognized in the country where it is performed, that is a question only the OP can answer. I am not sure by what is meant by "registered with the consulate". US consulates do not register marriages. That is done under the laws of the country (state, county, whatever) where the marriage is performed. It is simple, IF you are legally married, you cannot process a K-1 visa. Correct me if my assumption is wrong. I believe the OP asks this question in the hopes of being able to continue with a K-1 visa (generally faster) and meet some religious demand of Islam for an Islamic marriage or whatever (not familiar with the customs, forgive me) If the marriage is not "legal" how would it meet the customs of Islam? A Catholic church would not consider a phoney ceremony to be a "Catholic marriage" to meet the traditions of that sacrament of the church and I doubt you would find a priest willing to do it just so you could run off and get married later by the JP. I am just saying this may jeapordize the K-1 and/or not satisfy Islamic tradition. aww yeah i get what you mean, just wasn't sure of this, not sure it is real marriage or what really	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-08 22:38:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (muslimlady37 @ May 8 2009, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ May 8 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i have a question. i'm a bit confused with this. if we get married at the home by imam, (just a islamic wedding) one that doesn't get filed at the consulate. would it wreck our k-1? i am under the impression that an islamic marriage is not a legal marriage in the usa. i've heard different things on this, so i was wondering if anyone had the facts on this. The US recognizes any legal foreign marriage. If it is legal, it is recognized. If you get married before the K-1 is issued and your fiance comes to the US, you will have to swtich to an I-130 or CR-1 visa. This is covered by the age old quote..."You pays your nickle and you takes your choice" You cannot do it both ways. If you are trying to satisfy some requirement of islam, then a "phoney" wedding would not do. A legal wedding will void the K-1. so the usa does see an islamic marriage as a legal marriage? so even if it not registered thru the consulate, it would still count It will not be considered a legal marriage as long as you don't go to the consulate in Casablanca and get a notorize letter and eligiability to marry and then to the Rabat to the Minister of Foreign Affairs to get permission to marry. The Imam would just be comming to your fiance's family home to bless the relationship. So you will be fine. Don't use the Phrase Married in a Islamic Ceremony. My dear this is not even considered a legal Marriage in Morocco. You have to go the courts in Morocco and yes you are correct about the Adul needing to marry you legally. So you are just having an engagement ceremony. Just know that you are not married in Islam. ok we had a engagement ceremony back in october 2008, i was told if we did this then we would be looked at as being married and able to stay in same hotel room like if wwe went to other city	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-08 22:35:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ May 8 2009, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (karimcharleen @ May 8 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i have a question. i'm a bit confused with this. if we get married at the home by imam, (just a islamic wedding) one that doesn't get filed at the consulate. would it wreck our k-1? i am under the impression that an islamic marriage is not a legal marriage in the usa. i've heard different things on this, so i was wondering if anyone had the facts on this. The US recognizes any legal foreign marriage. If it is legal, it is recognized. If you get married before the K-1 is issued and your fiance comes to the US, you will have to swtich to an I-130 or CR-1 visa. This is covered by the age old quote..."You pays your nickle and you takes your choice" You cannot do it both ways. If you are trying to satisfy some requirement of islam, then a "phoney" wedding would not do. A legal wedding will void the K-1. so the usa does see an islamic marriage as a legal marriage? so even if it not registered thru the consulate, it would still count	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-08 22:07:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	QUOTE (Anh map @ May 8 2009, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If the ceremony is seen as a legal marriage in that country then you would be considered married. You should go to the MENA regional forum to get feedback from others going through Casablanca. ok thanks. but i thought that an islamic marriage is not concidered a legal marriage in us, it is not done by the aduol, just imam, and is not sent into the consulate	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-08 22:01:00
Middle East and North Africa	who knows the facts on this matter........	i have a question. i'm a bit confused with this. if we get married at the home by imam, (just a islamic wedding) one that doesn't get filed at the consulate. would it wreck our k-1? i am under the impression that an islamic marriage is not a legal marriage in the usa. i've heard different things on this, so i was wondering if anyone had the facts on this.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-05-08 21:42:00
Middle East and North Africa	anyone know how this works???	QUOTE (New Beginnings @ Jun 23 2009, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Magic Jack is another great program.. all you need is a computer and you basically plug a phone into it. You program it here in the US and then send it overseas... it gives that phone a US phone number which allows all calls to be free then! he doesn't have his own computer , so that i don't think would work for us, but the price sure sounds great!!! QUOTE (Majid_Anna @ Jun 23 2009, 06:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I use pingo too...it's like having a prepaid card. Whichever credit or debit card you use after the first time, you can recharge it for the same amount from the phone. I use a local access number only because it seems that I have less trouble connecting this way. If you have free long distance on your mobile and about a million rollover minutes like me you should be fine..haha. It's also good for when it's time for your interview because you can print call records. I've always liked to be able to see the records of calls made, even when I call my family in greece, and alot of sites don't offer that. The only two I have found that are cheaper and offer it are tulumba.com (which is better for greece and turkey) and pingo.com. You print it off, attach your cell phone bill and there is a little piece of evidence! QUOTE (karimcharleen @ Jun 22 2009, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> hi everyone, hope al are fine. i was wondering if anyone had any idea how the icall service works? does the other person need the service too? can you call mobile phones with it? i saw the site, but i'm not clear as to how it works. hope maybe someone here knows. ok, so as long as i can call his mobile then i think i'll give this pingo a try. hope he not need to load the program too, thanks anna QUOTE (ridasgirl @ Jun 23 2009, 05:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I use Pingo....u load money onto in online, then u call a local number (or an 800 number) to access it so u won't be charged additional long distance fees. When your on the website u can program his numbers in so that all u have to do is press one number followed by the pound sign to reach him. http://www.pingo.com Hope it works for ya! Melynda i'll lokk into this pingo it sounds like it might be something i could use, thanks so much melynda	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-06-23 13:29:00
Middle East and North Africa	anyone know how this works???	QUOTE (MENAFORLIFE @ Jun 22 2009, 05:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Have your husband download it on his computer. He can call you for free for 5mins then it cuts off. Then he has to call you back. I used to use OOVOO but they raised their prices. I never brought minutes through ICALL but my husband does call me on it everyday. well he don't have his own computer, so i guess the icall thing wont work, i have been able to call him on my cell some lately, {idk why, i don't have long distance on it, i can't even call my sister that lives in the same state as me. but i found it my cell calls there, learned it from when i was online with karim and his asked if i just called him, and i asked why i would call when we are in video call, it turned out to be my oldest son(9) calling to talk to him, lol}	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-06-22 21:38:00
Middle East and North Africa	anyone know how this works???	hi everyone, hope al are fine. i was wondering if anyone had any idea how the icall service works? does the other person need the service too? can you call mobile phones with it? i saw the site, but i'm not clear as to how it works. hope maybe someone here knows.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-06-22 18:32:00
Middle East and North Africa	ladies with moroccan fiance' or husband............	QUOTE (amysaid @ Jun 24 2009, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> they do say that opposites attract... initially. however, they've found out that after a while, the people who stay together the longest are the ones that are the most similar. this is soooo true	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-06-24 21:31:00
Middle East and North Africa	ladies with moroccan fiance' or husband............	thought this would be interesting to see how the outcome would be, leave your thoughts and replies if you wish.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-06-24 20:49:00
Middle East and North Africa	Are Muslims in America Unfriendly?	QUOTE (amysaid @ Jun 28 2009, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All this talk of English vs. Arabic reminds me of an old friend, who used to swear like a sailor in English, but never swore in Arabic. Why? Because if he swore in Arabic, Allah would hear him. lol, that is funny. don't he know god hear all languages???	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-06-30 03:34:00
Middle East and North Africa	I am back	i had my bags lost when i come back to the states from morocco. i had gone through customs, and checked in at ny-jfk to fly to az. well somehow ny lost my bags, it take them like 3 days to expidite my bags to me. thank god i was home and had more things, lol. ishnallah it wont happen when i'm flying elsewhere. hope they find your bags.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-07-05 22:28:00
Middle East and North Africa	Mail to Morocco	QUOTE (Tasha and Abdou @ Jul 2 2009, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> of the 4 things I have sent directly to Morocco Abdou has receive none of them. His brother lives in France so the last letter I sent(5th letter) I sent to his brother first thinking that his brother would send it to him...he didn't. He had a friend hand deliver it. So Abdou got the letter...but I don't think I can use it as proof being that it was never actually postmarked. But at least he got something I intended for him. I never looked into DHL...I will now. It would be nice to have Abdou actually get something from me in the mail. Also, He's sent me 4 things and I've only received 2 of them...so I officially think that the Moroccan Postal service sucks! i agree with the thought that the moroccan mail service sucks. several things i have sent over were NEVER recieced (or sent back to me). luckly most all was recieved, and thank god, everything he had sent to me has been recieved. idk if the postal service there is just careless or what, but something surely needs improving on. well good luck with any other mail you send to him. sounds like maybe dhl will work best for you since you can track it, especially if you are sending any important papers or item to him.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-07-03 10:57:00
Middle East and North Africa	wearing rings	QUOTE (Astarte @ Sep 1 2009, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is the ring in question worn on the left or right hand? Aren't engagement rings (in MENA) worn on the right for men and women? In Egypt they are. was put on the left hand during our ceremony as was my rings, but it's ok, i talked with him on this, he'll just switch it to the right hand before he has the interview	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-09-01 12:29:00
Middle East and North Africa	wearing rings	QUOTE (CnT4ever @ Aug 29 2009, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Why does it bother you for someone to refer to you as the American fiance? Sounds like insecurity to me. Lisa is never rude, EVER. Like the others said, if you are getting bent out of shape for this, I would hate to see you at the AOS interview when the CO is doing everything in their power to prove your marriage as fake. They love to trip people up and get bad reactions, just like the one you had. it was the american fiance phenomen thing, to me it sounded like she meant it was something only done with americans, ok, that was all. so maybe i took it wrong, SORRY. i'm sure others have taken things wrong way in their time as well. so just drop this it is over with, i'm not argue over something so minor	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-08-29 21:50:00
Middle East and North Africa	wearing rings	QUOTE (Nagishkaw @ Aug 29 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> She wasn't being rude. Look, it's your case. You asked for advice and you got it...personally, I don't care if you screw up your case by not listening . [size="4"]well it is rude to say what she said about it being just an american fiance phenomenon. to me that IS rude and i'm sure others would think the same. i was asking this question to see what others in morocco had done, they'd be the ones to know what is best since they've been there. but i thank everyone who has replied with answers. [/size]	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-08-29 13:56:00
Middle East and North Africa	wearing rings	QUOTE (Y's_habibitk @ Aug 29 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> i wonder if they do when they are engaged to a girl from there or if its a american fiance phenomenon, or if its a moroc thing just curious well, not everyone i know that is with a moroccan is from the usa, some are from other countries too, and they still wear a ring with them, so i would have to say it's NOT just an american fiance phenomen like you want to make it out to be. i see you dealt with jordan, not morocco, so would be kinda hard for you to really answer this i'd think. so pls keep the rude type of remarks to yourself.....thank you!!!	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-08-29 13:18:00
Middle East and North Africa	wearing rings	i seem to notice that moroccan men DO wear a ring when engaged as well as when married, least most people i have talked to/with with SOs from there.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-08-29 12:40:00
Middle East and North Africa	wearing rings	QUOTE (CouscousApplePie @ Aug 29 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Char i asked but never got any responses.. however it was a question brought up in another post...!!!! A lot of our photos u can see both rings his/mine!!!! I asked Azzeddine not to wear his too, but he said he will "ponder " the issues and see ...he has worn his since January so if he takes it off now they will so notice the color differance in the finger due to the sun and indents... So it could bring idea of he his hiding something catch 22... I know he will never lie to them so i made it his call ... He says he can handle it LOLOL ahh wait til the interview ... smooth talkin does not always work LOLOL you know, i was thinking the same thing, cause we been engaged since oct. 2008, so he's been wearing that ring for quite some time, and with the sun and the spot on his finger from the ring. he said he doesn't want to take it off. and our pics too show us wearing them, and exchanging them. you'd think the consulate would know what the engagement ceremony was like since they are in that country. (let's hope so anyways!!!)	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-08-29 12:33:00
Middle East and North Africa	wearing rings	QUOTE (Olive? @ Aug 28 2009, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They may or may not ask him about it during the interview. He can always just tell them it's just a peice of jewelry he likes not associated with you at all (if you think telling them it's from you might be a mistake). But over all I don't think it's any thing to worry about. He can always just remove it before the interview to be safe. Olive he said he not want to remove it cause it is his engagment ring	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-08-28 18:48:00
Middle East and North Africa	wearing rings	is it ok to wear the engagement ring to his interview? will they think he is married, or do they know of the engagement rings at consulate?	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2009-08-28 18:40:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	Sounds good ! Keep your fingers crossed... thank you alhayatzween, we're keeping everything crossed, lol	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-09 12:19:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	If he gets the visa how soon will he try to come to the USA? [size="4"]i want him try come the first week of feb. {heck i already want him here, lol} he wants to marry on feb. 14th, but idk it is sweet idea, but it is also the oldest boys b-day[/size]	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-09 12:16:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	when they tell to bring your passport that mean APPROVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WISH THE BEST FOR FOR YOU thank you hichoufy, we are praying on it	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-08 23:14:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	Can't promise anything but sounds good to me too!!! thank you new beginnings	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-08 22:10:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	Sounds good!! I hope the best! thank you bijad and teresa	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-08 21:32:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	I can't make any promises, but that sounds like an approval to me! That's exactly how it went for my SO. In the (most likely) event that he's getting his visa, we both congratulate you! venusfire thank you venusfire. we're praying for good news on the 21st	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-08 21:30:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	Did they keep his passport after the interview? they kept his proof , asked for his # and said they'd be calling him within a couple weeks. he said tha man was really nice, and he said he felt calm and comfortable in the interview (was no negitivity) they called a week later asked him to come back on the 21st @ 2:30, he's to bring his paaport (as anyone going to the consulate) and i called DOS and emailed the consulate, and they both said the same thing	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-08 21:02:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	i think most interviews are scheduled for early in the morning. and your SO will go inside to interview at a window, kinda like going to talk to a bank teller. Outside window is to pick up stuff. he had his interview on the 30th, we was in AP for 1 week exactally then they called him to come back, they said come on the 21st @ 2:30, so idk if that is good or what	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-08 16:25:00
Middle East and North Africa	moroccan consulate question	i was wondering if the consulate makes interviews for after 12? i've heard they only make them til 12, appointments after that goes to the window outside. does anyone know for sure about this? i had also been told that they don't interview from the outside window, that is to hand out visas and stuff. thanks for any info on this.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-08 14:56:00
Middle East and North Africa	Picking up visa tomorrow...	Sorry I posted this in another forum, but I mean to post it here. Ugh! Bijad got the call today - he is heading to Casa first thing in the morning to pick up his visa! Yeah! I know our journey is still long, but glad this part is done! Thanks for all the kind words and support!! congrats to you both!!!!	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-28 14:02:00
Middle East and North Africa	flights from casa to usa	I'm looking at cheapair.com - multi destinations... for me I am putting in - Casa to JFK and JFK to MCI (Kansas City)... its a straight flight from Casa to New York and then New York to Kansas City - the ticket is $925 right now. I like it because he doesn't have to travel into Germany or Paris - or anywhere else and can come straight here. I am actually going to meet Bijad in New York and we are going to spend the weekend there before we travel on to Kansas City. I have never been to New York, except through the airport, and obviously Bijad has never been either. I think it will be fun!! Good Luck! Let us know what kind of deals you find! Teresa the thing with coming ram, is there only being a 2 1/2 layover til next flight, and he'll have to go thru customs, or take a flight to another city then to pheonix. you know, i us to live in KCMO, my oldest boy was born there. we'll be moving soon, not sure if i'll be heading to kansas or into the valley (pheonix area). when is bijad coming? we were planning the first week of febuary (inshallah) oh btw you can add me to messenger, they are on our page. take care teresa	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-28 21:29:00
Middle East and North Africa	flights from casa to usa	I will say between flying through Amsterdam and Frankfurt I would fly Frankfurt again hands down. While Amsterdam has a hotel in the airport for long lay overs it was different and I liked it flying through but returning from Amman they took my bags off the plane for inspection and didn't come until a day after I came back to US. Frankfurt lots of muslims working at the airport feels different didn't have any "profiling" type experiences. I realize being Native American I can be stopped but there is nothing foreign about my name or its spelling. haha OOPS I meant with my Native American coloring its easy for me to be mistaken for many nationalities. ARGH!!! i heard amsterdam is a bit harder on people. i'm sorry they did you like that. i hope you wont have no more troubles when flying again. lol, you made me laugh, i knew what you meant when yo uwas saying you are native.	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-28 21:23:00
Middle East and North Africa	flights from casa to usa	Well, I don't have any info on Morocco specifically but my husband flew from Algeria to Minneapolis in July. I would expect his experience to be similar. He flew Air Algerie from Algiers to Paris and then Delta from Paris to Minneapolis. We used skymiles for the Delta portion and paid about $350 for the Air Algerie ticket. Absolutely no problems in Paris. Their website actually says that those travelling to or from the United States, with valid visas in their passports, do not require a transit visa as long as they stay in the terminal. Try looking at the airline websites because often times they have good fare sales that are better than the big flight search engines. thank you momof1, i'll tryt find direct airline sites as well	karimcharleen	Not Telling	Morocco	2010-01-28 20:03:00