ForumTitleContentMemberSexCountryDate/Time
Middle East and North AfricaHappy stories of American women +Moroccan husbands
Although I have been in the "fraud" posts my story is a happy one. We have been together for 6 years married for 5. We met in Marrakech when I was on vacation with my dad and sister. After a year of visits and processing our visa was granted. The first 2 years were probably the hardest of my life, with a lot of adjustments on both of our parts. Some were cultural, some were oldest child/youngest child dynamics (me being an oldest child, him being the baby of 9!) Things are looking up now as I am making a go of my career and he's finally at a point where he has made the US home and isn't always holding on to moving back to Morocco (and holding back in life here). Certainly he gave up seeing his family all the time to move here, but we have both come to realize that we have BOTH given up a lot for each other and worked towards making a life together instead of focusing on what we've lost in the process. Those months of waiting were hard but life together is a lot harder in many ways. I love him dearly and am happy that we pulled through the really rough times but God forbid something ever happened to him I would never go through this process again!
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-01 15:38:00
Middle East and North AfricaTraveling through Madrid, Barajas as a Moroccan
Wanted to add this; if his flight on royal air maroc is direct from madrid to morocco he DOES NOT need a visa. However if it connects elsewhere in Europe he DOES need a visa. My husband traveling on his GC had a connection in Madrid to Barcelona and then Marrakech - he was NOT allowed onto the Madrid - Barcelona flight without a visa (even though our 2 USC kids were with him). HEADACHE!!!
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-04 11:34:00
Middle East and North AfricaMENA Men Being "Men"
I forgot the question.....oh being a man...

So I think what Betsy said is quite like my husband - he's not at all handy (I can do more things around the house and with the car than he can), he loves his beautifying products and nice clothes (though he's incredibly "frugal" so he'll only get them if it's a steal) Doesn't cook. He's adapting though. I would say there are lots of hills and valleys. When he was in Morocco and I came to visit well he was just the sweetest thing...then he came here and he "had me" so there was no need to work to impress me anymore. So a lot of that romantic stuff sort of went out the window. It pops up again here and there but nothing like it used to be. I guess you throw in 2 kids, work, school, bills, life etc and it's not so romantic anymore. I am and was very independent and he was the very protected and catered to baby of the family. I don't want to say lazy, but we married young and when we did marry he had never had to do much for himself in his own country so he didn't even know where to begin here. There are certainly qualities I admire about him but in all honesty I'm sure there are more "manly" men that I could have met in the US. So no I didn't like him for his manliness lol
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-02 13:10:00
Middle East and North Africanewbie in the group
Objectively looking at this what are your flags?

- age difference
- length of physical time spent together
- length of time talking before filing

On the plus side; neither of you have been married before and there are no kids in the mix. Usually that's some points for you.

A CR1 is not a guarantee of a visa. I would request the consular notes from the Dept of State in a FOIA to find out what was said about your case. You may be able to get more details from that. If the reason you are being denied is something other than what they are telling you this is information you want to know. Again the consulars often know more about a case than you do.

I think this story and many others coming out of Casa are important for ppl to take note of. There are many more denials than I've seen in recent years. I think that as petitioners people need to understand the real hurdles they are facing when applying for a visa. Take the time to do research and spend physical time with your SO - for the visa and for yourselves. A week or two together is not going to be enough to show sincerity. Put it in the context of the US. If you were dating someone from WA state and you lived in FL and had only spent a week physically together would you say you knew that person? Many would argue you must spend more time together.

No criticism to anyone in this regard - just some thoughts.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-09 12:13:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow come lots of MENA members don't have Pics posted
Oh ####### I ended up back in that woman's madness and disgustingness....I have to go shower now because she grosses me out.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-04 23:00:00
Middle East and North AfricaExperiences with the Consulate in Casablanca

Why do you say it's easier for a woman? I keep hearing that but was unable to get much information/perspective about it.


Men from Middle Eastern/North African countries are subjected to much higher levels of scrutiny (ie potential terrorism) whereas women are not. This is a post from awhile ago but as far as I know the procedures are still in place. http://www.murthy.com/news/UDarab.html
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-08 09:53:00
Middle East and North AfricaExperiences with the Consulate in Casablanca
Ucf Chari - you most likely will face very few hurdles. It is MUCH easier for women to get a visa from Casablanca than a man. Also you are both from the same culture - those cases tend to be much more likely to be approved.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-07 21:48:00
Middle East and North AfricaExperiences with the Consulate in Casablanca
There have been many threads on this subject. Sadly when advice/theories are given many people do not like what they hear and all heck breaks lose.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-07 11:38:00
Middle East and North AfricaHelp!
I think location is going to be what you make of it. Honestly. My husband moved to the US - to WI in January. He had never seen snow and had never ever felt weather that was so cold. It was a shock and he was super depressed. About 18 months later we moved to Washington DC. There was a much bigger Moroccan community and we were away from all of our family so really on our own to make friends, deal with the kids, and build our life. (I should add we're both fairly young). This was good and bad for us. Ultimately we moved back to WI for a plethora of reasons. My husband struggled making WI home and making DC home - but ultimately he's at a point now where wherever we live is home.

I think location is going to be what you make of it. Honestly. My husband moved to the US - to WI in January. He had never seen snow and had never ever felt weather that was so cold. It was a shock and he was super depressed. About 18 months later we moved to Washington DC. There was a much bigger Moroccan community and we were away from all of our family so really on our own to make friends, deal with the kids, and build our life. (I should add we're both fairly young). This was good and bad for us. Ultimately we moved back to WI for a plethora of reasons. My husband struggled making WI home and making DC home - but ultimately he's at a point now where wherever we live is home.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-17 22:58:00
Middle East and North AfricaHelp!
Honey - I just wanted to let you know we went through this a lot too. As far as meds my husband was very very opposed to this but after going in for a checkup with the doctor SHE recommended it (she was also an immigrant so I think it helped that she could level with him). IF he won't take meds how about vitamins?? Living in the northern climates as we do ppl from warmer climates have severe Vitamin D deficiency esp with the long dark winters. See if he'll take 1000mg of Vit D a day as a vitamin - it might help him. Has he gone home to visit? Visiting home reminded my husband of what he left behind here. I think the difference might be though that he always knew it didn't matter to me where we lived (in US or Morocco) so the decision was ultimately his. I hope squeaky's husband can help translate with the family.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-15 21:49:00
Middle East and North Africa*Poof*
agreed --- some people don't like the answers that they get. Easier to delete and pretend it never happened I guess.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-17 13:52:00
Middle East and North AfricaSending Money
Must depend on the country - We send $350 bi-monthly to Morocco via Moneygram and it costs us $9.

Edited by MrsAmera, 25 March 2011 - 09:45 PM.

MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-25 21:44:00
Middle East and North AfricaDELTA SAYS MOROCCO IS PART OF EUROPE?!!!
Iberia also charges Morocco like it's Europe, but Moroccans need a visa to transit through Spain so I guess it only applies when they're making money off of it...
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-03-23 11:37:00
Middle East and North AfricaIranian Female, USA Wedding, Last Name Change
She does not have to change her name re: immigration. It will not make a difference with your case.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-05 21:56:00
Middle East and North AfricaTODAY- (April 6)- Chat with Casa Consulate
Great chat - I just wanted to add that although people think consular officers are untrained etc their training is very extensive. I don't know if anyone else has taken the foreign service exam but I have. I have an MBA and BA in International Relations. I didn't pass the foreign service exam and I do know my stuff! After that there is an intensive specific training people must take based on where in the foreign service they are going to go. It's not a cake walk at all.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-08 12:47:00
Middle East and North AfricaAbuse of power in the American Consulate
I've been trying to think of common characteristics between them - and perhaps 8-10 years ago when they came there might have been some but now I think that those initial characteristics are no longer there. Know what I mean? Biggest thing - they wanted out of Morocco? Not a single one talks about the first wife or any of the circumstances around it. I really hate to say that they are all after the green card because I really think that somewhere part of it does come down to plain old relationship fail. It's really hard to be married. It's even harder to be married to someone whose complete value system and concept of marriage is different from your own. I think that many women get tired of the disagreements as do many men. Unless you (and your partner) are willing to really work very very very hard at this it will fail.

Getting the visa is truly easy in comparison to making a life together. Whether or not the benificiary has ulterior motives there will be millions of struggles (save for a very select few number of cases). I know if the CO would have denied my husband and I - I would have had serious thoughts about our relationship and the reasons for the denial and not just chalked it up to a mean CO.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-02-27 22:31:00
Middle East and North AfricaAbuse of power in the American Consulate
I have a circle of about 10 couples - 8 are moroccan/moroccan 2 are moroccan/american. All 8 of the moroccan/moroccan couples - the man originally married an American woman, divorced and married a Moroccan later. 2 were legitimate marriages that didn't work out (one was over 10yrs together)- the others were fruad. These are good people, def wouldn't expect them to have doen that - just goes to show you never know.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-02-27 11:05:00
Middle East and North AfricaAbuse of power in the American Consulate
Please remember being granted a visa is not a right - it's a privalage. You nor your spouse are entitled to a visa just because you "love each other". You are free to marry/love who you choose - you are not free to import anyone you choose. You paid out a lot of funds, so has everyone. Also, sometimes actually a lot of times, the consular knows things even you do not know. They don't deny just because they feel like it. There are reasons that for them to deny, again perhaps things that you do not know about. I suggest to ease your mind you submit a FOIA with the State Dept and request the consular notes for your case. Perhaps they will offer you a glimpse into the reasons for the denial.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-02-26 22:39:00
Middle East and North AfricaMoroccan Citizenship
When you go to Morocco and tell them you live in the US they will tell you the family book must be applied for in the US. They will send everything to Morocco but you can't apply there.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-18 21:42:00
Middle East and North AfricaMoroccan Citizenship
Really? My son has been in and out of Morocco 3 times and not one word about a Moroccan passport/citizenship..
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-09 15:56:00
Middle East and North AfricaMoroccan Citizenship
Well...it could. I say this because we did our Islamic marriage part about 2 months after our legal marriage, and Khalil was born 7 months after our "islamic" marriage. I distinctly remember the consular at the Moroccan consulate giving us a hard time about this and I say "oh i know but he was a premie". Since both names are on the birth certificate it probably will get worked out. I'll tell you it's a pain in the A** in general. We gave up after 3 years of trying and losing a few hundred dollars in the wasteland of the process. Youssef's exact words "no one will care if he's Moroccan he's an American citizen"...yowch.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-08 21:39:00
Middle East and North AfricaMoroccan Citizenship
Yes you will run into problems. He'll need to the family book first - and will end up having to have a proxy in Morocco have his signature on a form (forgot the name) to get the book. Then you'll have to do the birth part. You will also end up having to send things over to Morocco for the birth because Adam is older than 1. He'll need a proxy to go before a judge in Morocco to certify the birth. AND you can't go to Morocco, visit, and do all of this - they will say "you live in America you have to do it through them". PIA.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-08 12:39:00
Middle East and North AfricaPrayers for Marrakesh
Talked to our family in Marrakech - one channel is reporting it was a gas leak and one that it was a planted explosive. Official reports are saying it was a bomb. I haven't heard anything about who might have been responsible though rumors of a Polisario group or an al Qaeda cell out of Belgium. There was also mention that In the beginning of the month there was a failed AQIM plot that was intercepted.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-28 15:27:00
Middle East and North AfricaMy husband and my child
Moroccanwife - so sorry to hear about your loss. Perhaps it's just a time issue that will pass. Though a think a good long honest conversation will ultimately be the biggest help of all. I know it helped us a lot.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-05-09 15:31:00
Middle East and North AfricaMy husband and my child
Going to step in the water carefully here lol. I have a child from a previous relationship whose father had nothing to do with him when I met my husband. My son was 7 months old. My son does not know he has a different father. That being said my husband has raised him from infancy to now (he's 7). This is not the same dynamic as you have but what I want to say is that my husband did not know how to be a father. He was 22 years old and was the baby of 9 children. He loved my son from day one but that didn't mean he knew what to do, how to act etc. It took him a long time to just a) figure out the ropes in the US b) understand what being a parent here means c) how to do this without stepping on my toes. In his culture step-children tend to have a different dynamic with the non-biological parent. The biological father in his culture would go ape-sh*t if he "pretended" to be a dad. I think that perhaps the best advice I could give you is to sit down and talk with your son without your husband and listen to what his concerns are, what he's struggling with and what kind of a relationship he would like with his step dad. Then I would take that information and use it to talk to my husband. That way everyone is on the same page and can share openly and honestly without being worried or afraid about responses.

I would also say try and do as much together (the 3 of you)to at least get him comfortable and seeing that you are a family now and not that your husband is just some invader of mom space. Not sure if you are planning to have any more children with your husband but I would say getting these issues sorted out is a must do before considering having more. Best wishes to all of you.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-05-09 13:02:00
Middle East and North AfricaConversion as related to visa approval...
Wow that's a very brash and insulting comment to make. I was raised Christian and found a lot of unanswered questions and contradictions in Christianity through a lot of research, reading, and talking with clergy. I didn't convert because I "lacked a backbone" I converted because Islam made more sense for me. I think being so self-righteous about your personal decision is pretty unattractive. Would you like us all to give you a round of applause? Certainly there are some people who make choices based on the relationship their in but to just assume that you're better than anyone who has converted without even the inkling of knowledge about their decision is just rude.

We can argue points on this all day. When it's all said and done Muslims will want you to see it their way every time and convert convert convert. Luckily, some women like myself have a backbone and can tell their Muslim SO straight up that it's never going to happen.




See this is what I am talking about......Not a big deal to us....but when she's ready she will convert. If it's not a big deal then why does she need to convert??


MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-05-25 20:07:00
Middle East and North AfricaConversion as related to visa approval...
Actually I am a bit offended and my conversion was far from a "cupid conversion". I don't doubt that this exists, in fact even in our tiny little masjid here I've seen women come in "looking for husbands". That being said I was raised in a very Lutheran home, my mom still leads children ministry at her church. I am incredibly well educated and I made the choice to convert. Without having traveled to Morocco (before meeting my husband) and being exposed to a "real" Islamic environment and not the Islam of western media would I have converted, probably not. But I also wouldn't have stayed in the church. Personally there were too many inconsistencies in Christianity. That being said I don't think that being Muslim all of the sudden means all these drastic huge changes. I know that had I married an anglo-Christian, I would have been dressing more conservatively as a married woman. I wouldn't have been out boozing it up etc. My husband is very religious and we agree that we live in this country. We will not isolate our children from the larger American culture or my family. We participate in all holidays with my family in our own way.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this issue isn't black and white. Yes you're right there are women who convert to make a man happy but IMO they haven't really converted they are just "keeping up appearances". Truly converted happens in your heart and intentions. And Islam isn't any harder than you chose to make it.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-24 08:36:00
Middle East and North AfricaConversion as related to visa approval...
I also don't think they would put much weight into it. If one or the other spouse was exceptionally religious and married outside of their religion then I can see how the CO (esp if the beneficiary fits this mold) would be suspect that the intentions of the relationship are not good.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-04-11 13:38:00
Middle East and North AfricaKids Birthday Cake In Morocco
I'm not sure but I'd assume in Rabat yes. We always got birthday cakes in Marrakech.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-05-27 18:59:00
Middle East and North Africaoldies but goodies?
We're here - class of '05 very early '06 but you knew that UmmS. We've moved across the country together, had another child and moved back to the Midwest. Youssef got his citizenship last summer, and we're planning a fall trip to Morocco for his brother's wedding. I am now working in my dream job and making enough for Youssef to be going back to school full time. It's funny in this new job one of the things that I am always working on are other peoples' immigration cases and myself along with a co-worker are in classes to become BIA certified immigration representatives.

Youssef and I are currently at the beginning of the process to adopt his nephew (new immigration headache -why oh why?!) I'm happy to say we've been married 5 years and 2 months - together for 6 1/2 years.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2011-06-02 00:06:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
I have to disagree with you. I don't think the book falls in there. In reading it there are aspects that seem to fit the "mystical" category but I have learned so much from the stories of the prophet that are discussed and find it really enlightening to read something that is comprehensible and not loaded with a zillion Arabic words and abstract concepts. Sure some people might approach it that way but for me it's been a way of strengthening my understanding and connection in a way that reading a tafsir never has been able to do. I think that for someone who is not entrenched in the scholarly works and is approaching Islam from a different background (newly converted, etc) it's a familiar and welcome start. I don't ever see myself fitting into the third definition because it's just too rigid for where I am or where I want to be (no offense to anyone that is there). A huge struggle with Islam that I have is this concept that you have to "fit" somewhere. Sunni or Shi'ite, Salafi or HAnafi or Maliki or follow this teaching or that, or believe this is haram or this is not. I don't see myself fitting into a rigid group, and I find that by bettering my understanding of not only Islam but it's connection to the other Abrahamic faiths makes it all connect together much better. Without that I think that the teachings of Islam are lost.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2010-01-08 17:23:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims

I may have mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. If anyone is interested in tasawwuf (aka sufism), Sh. Husain Abdul Sattar's 6 part talk on the Fundamentals of Tasawwuf is excellent. And if you're married to an anti-sufi (cof cof AbuS), he may find these talks convincing, as Sh. Husain (and the Naqshbandi Mujaddidi in general) are very big on tasawwuf as a science of islam bound by the sharia, and not a universalist new age thing.

Have you seen this book? The Sufi Book of Life: 99 Pathways for the Modern Dervish. I recently got it and am doing a study of it with a friend in Morocco. It's exactly what I was looking for - much more of a devotional type of book. I think you would like it.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2010-01-06 15:23:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
Hmmm not arguing - since I wear hijab BUT just a thought. Cover your beauty...cover what's beautiful. Well... how far do we go with this? Toes? Fingers? No one has ever complimented me on much except for my eyes. I've had people literally stop me on the street to tell me how beautiful they are (not gloating just trying to make peace with this). Should I wear a face veil (burka style?) because they are attractive? *sigh* I dunno about this!
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2009-07-21 11:51:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
Amy - My grandparents are somewhat similar but not quite as extreme. My oldest son has been raised as a Muslim by us however we were not overly observant in the beginning and my grandparents just haven't really gotten the dietary and religious prohibitations. My son goes to an Islamic school, and yes I do want him to learn about all faiths however when my grandma proposed vacation bible school this summer (he's spending the summer with them) I had to say no. It had nothing to do with the fact that it was VBS but that it would be confusing for him at this time, and I didn't want him being confused. The pork issue is hard and most of my family just thinks we're being mean by not allowing our kids to eat it. I always say "well if he had an allergy and wanted it would you give it to him??"

Educational material - there is a lot out there. Let me get my links together and I'll PM you.
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2009-07-07 07:48:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
Everyone is free to their own opinion, however she makes valid points, and I think one of the biggest problems we as women face is that if you're too strong of a woman you're a ###### and if you're not strong enough then you're weak. (Sort of like Hilary Clinton was percieved during the election). In such a male dominated world it really takes a strong smart woman to stand up to injustices. In this case these "leaders" were hell bent on the notion that segregation was clearly prescribed in Islam and I just don't think that's true - either did she. BUT because of her attacking the "status quo" and daring to defy them she is seen as causing trouble... Sometimes culturally practices need to be attacked, if no one did that where would the world be today -certainly not in the same place it actually is.

Space in mosques....well I agree there isn't always space but be equitable. I mean really it's ok to just make sure there's enough space for the men? I don't think segregation started because of the space issue, I believe it to be a cultural interpretation - just like purdah, veils and other forms of segregation and isolation. It seems like hypocrisy to me that it's ok to pray together at hajj but not to do so in mosques, where you would generally know people even better and their intentions as well? I don't get it!!!
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2009-06-17 12:47:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
I agree yes she could have handled it a little differently BUT I don't think it would have worked in her mosque. You have to have people willing to listen and compromise and I don't think the leadership was willing. Sometimes it takes radical moves to make people listen, and being dapper and sullen in your attempts doesn't really cut the cheese. Also I think there were more issues going on here, that all mosques struggle with namely a) imams and leadership that is not from the US and are recent immigrants.

My issue is a) I'm not walking in the backdoor. Sorry. Why can't the mens entrance be in the back? It just makes me feel like a 2nd class citizen. AND cool.gif Why is it my issue if a guy can't control himself?? Husband and I had another argument relating to my wearing (in this case not wearing) socks to the mosque once - because it might be seductive? Exquease me?? Hi if you're looking at my feet and getting turned on it's not my problem.

I hate being cattle carted into a separte loud, noisy child ridden room to try to pray. I equally dislike khutbahs where the imam can't speak English and his topics make no sense. We have an issue with extremism in some of our mosques here and it bothers me so much! I understand wanting to retain cultural integrity (not that extremism is related to culture) BUT leadership and imams need to realize they are not living at home anymore. One of my favorite favorite lines from that documentary - not from Asra but a brother who attends the mosque was something along the lines of, "we're creating an American Islam, and the mosque is there to help meet the needs of our community in America. To those who are visitors, you are welcome, more than welcome to come to our mosque but please remember you are visitors." I've seen the hijacking of mosques by new predominant immigrant groups that come into a community to fulfill their view of what the mosque should be. It's a sad thing.


PS - Segregation - so it's just a culturally passed down thing right - no one else has seen it in the Qu'ran or hadith??? Where is VW when you need her.. wink.gif

Edited by MrsAmera, 17 June 2009 - 09:41 AM.

MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2009-06-17 09:41:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
You're right!!! One of the things I admire about Dr. Mattson is that when she goes into a mosque to do a discussion or training, she reverses it. If it's a segregated mosque, she has the men go into the "women's area" and the women come up front to the main hall. Boy I think those men understand after that....
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2009-06-17 08:37:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
Alright so a question for those more wise than me on these matters;

Husband and I had a little debate the other night. I was watching this PBS show; http://www.pbs.org/w...how_mosque.html -

I really admire Asra Nomani as the woman she is having had the courage to stand up to and do/say things that maybe go against the norm. Also I entered Islam as a single mother, not having been married to my son's father and so a lot of things she went through I could understand. Anyway - part of this has to do with women's prayer spaces. Another woman I greatly admire is Dr. Ingrid Mattson president of ISNA. I personally know her very well and one of her big issues is having prayer spaces for women in mosques and not just tossing them in some dark closet in the back of the mosque. The episode really touches on the conflict of an "American mosque". Because for a lot of our community in the US the mosque is not the same space as it is in the ME. It's a community center, a school, and a safe place for Muslims to go for community and not just a place where men go to pray. This is lost on a lot of immigrants because they are not used to that.

So the real question came up with the issue of prayer, and the segregation of men and women. In this mosque women had to use the back door and where secluded - only later was it allowable for them to pray on the balcony of the mosque overhanging the main hall. My husband got so fired up that women would challenge the segregation, and why do they have to challenge that and that's what the Qu'ran says.....well I wasn't sure about that. So I dug out my Qu'ran and jee I couldn't find that it said that anywhere....so where is this coming from? To me, heck I don't want anyone looking at my backend while I'm praying but I am curious where this is coming from. Any englightenment?
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2009-06-17 08:13:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
I vote for 1 and 3 - Number 3 looks the most like your style smile.gif
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2009-06-16 13:44:00
Middle East and North AfricaMuslims
For those of you who had expressed interest in a study guide - I need a little help to know where you're at. Do you need/want basic information such as a) what is Islam, what are the major beliefs etc or something for in depth cool.gif how to study Islam, studying the qu'ran and it's meaning, incorporating sunnah and hadith?
MrsAmeraFemaleMorocco2009-06-16 10:22:00