Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	NOA2 Hard copy - Is it needed for Petitioners Embassy interview	Hi all; Long story but we are struggling to get a hard copy of the NOA2. We are approved and the case is currently with U.S embassy in London with us awaiting packet 3. Do we need a hard copy of the NOA2 for the petitioner interview? The On-line Guide says yes and many onhere say No. Has it ever been asked for in Packet 3? Has it ever been asked for at the Petioners Inteview? Thanks in advance Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-14 06:52:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	Packet 3 -What to send back	QUOTE (Ian and Lisa @ Sep 29 2009, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Sep 28 2009, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Sep 28 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All; Sorry in advance if being a bit thick. I have been on the us embassy site and on here and some information conflicts so a bit confused. I have had packet 3 and have been trying for last 9 day to get my head around it. Can you please help me the following. To get an interview date i have to complete the following 5 forms: DS230 (Part 1) - Is this correct? DS156 - Is this correct? DS156K - Is this correct? DS157 - Is this correct? IV-15K - Is this correct? You've got it! So if above is correct, some futher questions: DS156: Evidence of Financial Support. Is the affidavit fo support. THese is nothing on the US embassy webpage to help here. What form should i use to complete this information to their standards? If you get stuck filling out any of the forms, go here: http://www.visajourn...p;page=examples. The DS156 is not the Evidence of Financial Support. The i-134 is the Evidence of Financial support. This is what your fiancee should be filling out and sending to you, with her documentation. Evidence of engagement: What they want? Ring receipt? If you have it, or we just collected emails talking about our impending wedding. My fiance asked my father for my hand in marriage by email, so we included that. This is not something you send with Packet 3. Birth certificates of all children: Do they want this even if they are ot accompanying me? I don't think so, If your kids are 21 or over, then no. Otherwise, I don't see why they would need these. Anyone else have this info?? Do i send in photo-copies of all additional documents (which are also on the checkilist)? Or do i send nothing in and just take the evidence with me? All supporting evidence goes with you to the interview. Only the DS forms and the IV15 are mailed to the IVU. DS230 part 1 Part 1 only - leave Part 2 blank. Is this correct? Leave blank any part that says "Do not write below this line". Fill out everything else. We sent part 1 and part 2 in our packet. Q35 - All trips to the USA. Got to remember them all? Well, you can only record what you can remember. Do you have stamps in your passport? Anyone you travelled with who could help you out? IV-15K Do i have to wait until i have all items before sending this in? Currently awaiting affidavit from fiancee (i am the beneficiary) and police check Well, I would suggest the correct answer is yes, but considering it takes approx 2 weeks to get the police check, how close are you? How close are you to getting your affadavit? I hear packet 4 takes at least 2 weeks. Court / prison record. Never been to either. Do i stilll need this? No Additional Evidence like photos etc. re required. Assume just for the interview? Correct! Again, sorry if this is repetetive. I have checked just been struggling Thanks in advance. Paul Hi, can anyone help with this please? It's not easy, is it? Good luck. If you run into any questions along the way, just shout. Be sure you include 2 copies of Form DS-156 and DS-157 for each family member applying for a visa. Keep one copy of everything for yourself! This will help in case something gets lost at the embassy or in the mail along the way. Absolute brilliant response my friend. Very clear and informative. Going to fill out the 4 documents and checklist (some twice as recommended). I will take the affidavit of support (I-134) and other info like police records with me. I wont send these with the documents. Only the 5 documents get sent. The rest i take by hand when i go to the interview. I am correct (i think)?	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-29 07:42:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	Packet 3 -What to send back	QUOTE (paul p @ Sep 28 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All; Sorry in advance if being a bit thick. I have been on the us embassy site and on here and some information conflicts so a bit confused. I have had packet 3 and have been trying for last 9 day to get my head around it. Can you please help me the following. To get an interview date i have to complete the following 5 forms: DS230 (Part 1) - Is this correct? DS156 - Is this correct? DS156K - Is this correct? DS157 - Is this correct? IV-15K - Is this correct? So if above is correct, some futher questions: DS156: Evidence of Financial Support. Is the affidavit fo support. THese is nothing on the US embassy webpage to help here. What form should i use to complete this information to their standards? Evidence of engagement: What they want? Ring receipt? Birth certificates of all children: Do they want this even if they are ot accompanying me? Do i send in photo-copies of all additional documents (which are also on the checkilist)? Or do i send nothing in and just take the evidence with me? DS230 part 1 Part 1 only - leave Part 2 blank. Is this correct? Q35 - All trips to the USA. Got to remember them all? IV-15K Do i have to wait until i have all items before sending this in? Currently awaiting affidavit from fiancee (i am the beneficiary) and police check Court / prison record. Never been to either. Do i stilll need this? Additional Evidence like photos etc. re required. Assume just for the interview? Again, sorry if this is repetetive. I have checked just been struggling Thanks in advance. Paul Hi, can anyone help with this please?	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-28 16:40:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	Packet 3 -What to send back	QUOTE (Stephen + Elisha @ Sep 28 2009, 04:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It would help if you indicated which embassy/consulate you're dealing with. moving to: US Embassy and Consulate Discussion You are almost there and now you have to deal with the embassy. This is the place to post your experiences or questions related to this last step before moving to the US. Topics relating to I-134's, packets sent from consulate and medical & police certificates should be posted here. Its the US embassy in London, UK	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-28 13:42:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	Packet 3 -What to send back	All; Sorry in advance if being a bit thick. I have been on the us embassy site and on here and some information conflicts so a bit confused. I have had packet 3 and have been trying for last 9 day to get my head around it. Can you please help me the following. To get an interview date i have to complete the following 5 forms: DS230 (Part 1) - Is this correct? DS156 - Is this correct? DS156K - Is this correct? DS157 - Is this correct? IV-15K - Is this correct? So if above is correct, some futher questions: DS156: Evidence of Financial Support. Is the affidavit fo support. THese is nothing on the US embassy webpage to help here. What form should i use to complete this information to their standards? Evidence of engagement: What they want? Ring receipt? Birth certificates of all children: Do they want this even if they are ot accompanying me? Do i send in photo-copies of all additional documents (which are also on the checkilist)? Or do i send nothing in and just take the evidence with me? DS230 part 1 Part 1 only - leave Part 2 blank. Is this correct? Q35 - All trips to the USA. Got to remember them all? IV-15K Do i have to wait until i have all items before sending this in? Currently awaiting affidavit from fiancee (i am the beneficiary) and police check Court / prison record. Never been to either. Do i stilll need this? Additional Evidence like photos etc. re required. Assume just for the interview? Again, sorry if this is repetetive. I have checked just been struggling Thanks in advance. Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-28 10:04:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	Packet 3 and Packet 4	QUOTE (mstee @ Sep 28 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (hindocha @ Sep 28 2009, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm hoping that London receive the petition any day now. It was sent via DHL! You can call the DOS #202 to see if the embassy has received it. Or you can email the embassy and ask them. I would give them a couple days to make sure its in the system at the embassy.. Good luck for interview today	paul p	Male	0	2009-10-13 09:39:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	London Embassy K1 interview - When do you get the result	Do you find out the result actuallly at the interview or do you get told later? If so, how? Phone? Email? etc. THanks Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-10-14 11:25:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	How do you get juvenile court records in the UK	QUOTE (paul p @ Oct 25 2009, 02:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Oct 24 2009, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have been told i can get a subject access form but that takes 40 days and is not my court records. How do i get a printed copy of my juvenile court records in the 1980's can anyone help Anyone at all?	paul p	Male	0	2009-10-26 06:32:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	How do you get juvenile court records in the UK	QUOTE (paul p @ Oct 24 2009, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I have been told i can get a subject access form but that takes 40 days and is not my court records. How do i get a printed copy of my juvenile court records in the 1980's can anyone help	paul p	Male	0	2009-10-24 21:41:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	How do you get juvenile court records in the UK	I have been told i can get a subject access form but that takes 40 days and is not my court records. How do i get a printed copy of my juvenile court records in the 1980's	paul p	Male	0	2009-10-23 21:18:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	Read This: YOU WILL NEED A Police Certificate (Subject Access) if you have had ANY Criminal Offenses, No matter HOW small or spent!!!!	QUOTE (sueandbarry @ May 27 2008, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (sueandbarry @ May 27 2008, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Roselinda @ May 27 2008, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I ticked the box no criminal past as this is the case, as I suspect did most of us being totally honest. I have my ACPO certificate with the real gross picture of me in front of me right now. It clearly states 'No Trace!' Does that mean that if a person certificate comes back with No Live Trace that they have a criminal past? Surely the filer knows that a police check will pick up anything they have done previously? NO TRACE IS NOT THE SAME AS NO LIVE TRACE... NO, YOU ARE NOT A RIMINAL NO TRACE MEASN THEY HAVE NOTING ON YOU NO LIVE TRACE MEANS THAT YOU HAVE CONVICTIONS, AND THEY ARE SPENT, OR IN OTHER WORDS, TIME HAS PASSED AND THEY ARE NO DOWNGRADED BUT YOU ARE OK!!!! OK this is what happens with a "No live trace" Even though convictions are not listed on the police certificate, have been downgraded or spent, the consular official dealing with your application is advised automaticaly to pass the information that a "No live trace" certificate is on file to the London Fraud Prevention Manager. This is done in every case. The Fraud prevention Manager's office usualy does a quick check to see if there are any convictions which could carry a prison sentence of five years or over or crimes involving "moral terpitude" such as prostitution etc. The London Fraud prevention Manager's Office can sometimes temporarily pass an application which has a "No live trace" where the convictions are of a minor nature due to their workload, but will review it again later. This is where they will also look at the whole of the application again for discrepancies. If you have witheld information on any of the immigration forms by not crossing a box or by any other form of omision it is a FEDERAL offence and a felony. The authorities DO take this seriously and if you have witheld any information you will be charged. Usualy people witholding information are caught out when applying for their "green card" as all is checked again especialy employment records, criminal records and marriages and divorces. If by this time you are in the USA, you will be arrested and possibly deported as it is a felony even if you are married. You will find that it is better to be honest and declare everything possible rather than have the very real threat of arrest in the back of your mind all of the time. The US consular officials are not there to give you a hard time, but to check that the information which you give them is of a truthful nature. Contrary to poular belief they will not refuse your visa becuase you have a crminal record listing only minor offences. I know this is a long time but this is brilliant information for anyone who has a no live trace. I have a theft offence as a juvenile (15 years old) which i went to juvenile court and got a suspended sentence. I ticked no to the moral turpitude box as a junvenile cannot be shown to have poor morals as they are still a kid (it is worded differently but same gist- dont get me wrong, it catalog and u r only 18 u may have problems). I did tick the "committed a crime" box on the K156 and listed th eoffence in full on a supplementary piece of paper. My packet 3 for th eK1 has been logged in the London embassy today so i still await an interview date. I will keep all informed but i am not suspecting any problems. I do not have a "subject access" form as i think i will miss the date (40 days to get) and i'm also hearing it may not be on there anyway.	paul p	Male	0	2009-11-02 13:20:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	No record of packet 3 arrival by embassy in London !!!	at least they are consistent. Takes 3 weeks to log. Both waiting. Will let you know when i get my interview date	paul p	Male	0	2009-11-04 08:47:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	No record of packet 3 arrival by embassy in London !!!	QUOTE (RAMARS @ Nov 2 2009, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Nov 2 2009, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (RAMARS @ Nov 1 2009, 01:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (pdcvcm @ Oct 31 2009, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (RAMARS @ Oct 30 2009, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We sent the completed packet 3 to embassy in London and based on DHL confirmation it was received and signed by "KOKO" at the embassy 15 days ago. But embassy has not yet logged in our packet 3 and there is no record of it even after 15 days so far (based on the info I got from Department of state). What should I do ? Is it normal or do you think they somehow lost it at the embassy ? Should I consider sending them all the forms in packet 3 again ? Thanks. http://www.visajourn...p;#entry3452872 Others have run into this in the United Kingdom forum. Topic NOA2 to Interview. Thanks a lot. My friend it will be ok. Sent mine October 13th and like an idiot didnt do anything about recorded delivery. Phoned DOS last Monday, not on system. Phone DOS today, its ON the system. No interview date adn it may be two weeks until i hear that she said, but i am logged. So 18 days for me. Yours is there, it was signed for. It just takes time. All is cool. Not long now until forever :0) :0) Thanks man. I really appreciate that. I hope ours will show up soon too. We have enough stress already by this neverending process and we really don't need additional headaches.... Tel me about it. I've been through house moves, a divorce and this is the most stressful thing i have been through. I think it is because i want it so much. nearly there now though. The darkest hour is just before dawn	paul p	Male	0	2009-11-03 01:32:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	No record of packet 3 arrival by embassy in London !!!	QUOTE (RAMARS @ Nov 1 2009, 01:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (pdcvcm @ Oct 31 2009, 12:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (RAMARS @ Oct 30 2009, 10:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We sent the completed packet 3 to embassy in London and based on DHL confirmation it was received and signed by "KOKO" at the embassy 15 days ago. But embassy has not yet logged in our packet 3 and there is no record of it even after 15 days so far (based on the info I got from Department of state). What should I do ? Is it normal or do you think they somehow lost it at the embassy ? Should I consider sending them all the forms in packet 3 again ? Thanks. http://www.visajourn...p;#entry3452872 Others have run into this in the United Kingdom forum. Topic NOA2 to Interview. Thanks a lot. My friend it will be ok. Sent mine October 13th and like an idiot didnt do anything about recorded delivery. Phoned DOS last Monday, not on system. Phone DOS today, its ON the system. No interview date adn it may be two weeks until i hear that she said, but i am logged. So 18 days for me. Yours is there, it was signed for. It just takes time. All is cool. Not long now until forever :0) :0)	paul p	Male	0	2009-11-02 17:35:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS - How do i find out local office and address	QUOTE (paul p @ Mar 25 2009, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (PB&JAM @ Mar 25 2009, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (eyoa @ Mar 24 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since letters of intent are part of the I-129F petition, I'm assuming that's what you're sending, so your answer is found within the Instructions for Form I-129F, Petition for Alien Fiance(e) The service centre address you are sending your petition to is the same that would be used on your letters. I'm assuming you are using the California Service Center? I did and here is the address I had on my letter of intent: United States Department of Homeland Security U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services California Service Center P.O. Box 10825 Laguna Niguel, CA 92607 Excellent, i assume so too. So asume all letters should have this addres on it and it is the same address i send the package too? Actually just opened the link and it is self explanatory. THanks again. A real help QUOTE (PB&JAM @ Mar 25 2009, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (eyoa @ Mar 24 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since letters of intent are part of the I-129F petition, I'm assuming that's what you're sending, so your answer is found within the Instructions for Form I-129F, Petition for Alien Fiance(e) The service centre address you are sending your petition to is the same that would be used on your letters. I'm assuming you are using the California Service Center? I did and here is the address I had on my letter of intent: United States Department of Homeland Security U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services California Service Center P.O. Box 10825 Laguna Niguel, CA 92607 Yep, looks like it is this one. Real thanks for your help. it is apprecaited.	paul p	Male	0	2009-03-25 18:27:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS - How do i find out local office and address	QUOTE (PB&JAM @ Mar 25 2009, 12:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (eyoa @ Mar 24 2009, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Since letters of intent are part of the I-129F petition, I'm assuming that's what you're sending, so your answer is found within the Instructions for Form I-129F, Petition for Alien Fiance(e) The service centre address you are sending your petition to is the same that would be used on your letters. I'm assuming you are using the California Service Center? I did and here is the address I had on my letter of intent: United States Department of Homeland Security U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services California Service Center P.O. Box 10825 Laguna Niguel, CA 92607 Excellent, i assume so too. So asume all letters should have this addres on it and it is the same address i send the package too?	paul p	Male	0	2009-03-25 18:22:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS - How do i find out local office and address	Hi; Stupid question and i did look online first but couldnt find anything definitive The sponsor lives in Brentwood near San Francisco What is the local USCIS address that is required on the letters like "letter of intent" etc. Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-03-24 18:30:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	G-325a - really confused and apprehensive about this	So the G-352a looks scarey. It probably isnt but it looks it to me. 1) I beleive that the U.S. ciitizen fills one out adn i fill one out is that true? 2) I am hearing about carbon paper but you can download the form so how can it be on carbon? If it is, where do you get them from in the U.S and the U.k? 3) is there a good thread that takes you though completing this form? Thanks in advance for your help. This forum is great	paul p	Male	0	2009-03-29 14:40:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	G-352a - Quick questions	QUOTE (YuAndDan @ Apr 1 2009, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 1) Per the directions included with form I-129F the correct G-Form is G-325A 2) England, (UK = England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and Wales) 3) Yes, your own company. Great thanks. Slightly worried they are going to think its weird that my home address and work addres are the same. But what can you do Thanks again	paul p	Male	0	2009-04-01 15:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	G-352a - Quick questions	Downloaded the G-352a for me (the beneficiary) and my fiance (the u.s citizen adn petitioner). 1) I assume this is the only form and we dont need G-352b or G-352c 2) for coutry of birth, do people put England or UK (e.g for city adn country i have put Southampton, England) 3) Basically for tax reasons I have set up and work for my own limited company. I am the only employee. I then contract out to bigger companies like BT etc. I assume the company i am working for is my own company and not the company i am contracted to thanks as always	paul p	Male	0	2009-04-01 14:52:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Having nightmare with delivery address - Do people recommend changing it to a friends	The petitoner recieved the NOA1 by snailmail by regular post at a house they were living in. Since then they have moved to a big appartment block. They changed their address with USCIS but unfortunately two subsequent posts from USCIS have been undeliverable. USCIS dont know why? Can anyone see any downside of changing the beneficaries delivery address to a friends house that should be easy to delivr to Thanks Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-08-20 11:00:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	What does the petitioner do after the NOA2 is recieved	Hi all; What does the petiotner have to do to move the process forward past NOA2. I beleive the NOA2 comes by email and post. Is this correct? If email, can the petitioner act then or do they have to wait for the snailmail copy? Once received, what do they physiclly have to do. I have read the guide on what they need to send to the beneficiary? Do they have to do anything with USCIS or any other U.S. government agencies to move this forward to the beneficiaries embassy? Thanks in advance Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-08-20 10:56:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Waiting for NOA2 - Undeliverable post twice - Advice please	QUOTE (adventure509 @ Aug 19 2009, 02:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I sent the petition off in the first part of may of with an incorrect mailing address also. I had the exact same posting of ""DOCUMENT OTHER THAN CARD OR TRAVEL DOCUMENT BEING HELD FOR 180 DAYS SINCE RETURNED AS UNDELIVERABLE " On my logg in all the way up to it changing when we were approved. the only thing that changed was touched dates. Did you get a letter that said your address was updated. should of gotten a copy of the NOA1 at the corrected address as well by snail mail. All the notifications I received were in regular document sized envelopes which should easly fit into even a small postal or po type slot. This is interesting as is your journey details. The petitioner (my fiancee) received the NOA1 via snailmail at her old address. She then moved. Since then we have been seen someting (deatiled as above) twice. Both times it has been returned to the post office as undeliverable. The first time we couldnt work out where it was sent to. The second time it was defiently sent to her new address. Couple of points 1) We havent had any email confirmation that this is a NOA2. Does that mean it isnt? If the post was returned, would they have emailed us first? If they havent emailed us, what could this mean? USCIS couldnt tell us. 2) She lives on a massive appartment block and the number of her appartment would be on the end of address of hte block. Is there a chance that the number has been obscured in the window. Long shot i know but can think why else. My fiancee get all other mail, just not this one. 3) Should we change the address again to a close friend. This is a regular house and would make sure it could be delivered. Can anyone see any downside on this? Will they confuse place of residence with send of address date? Again, not getting an email saying what it is has worried me. Could it be an RFE? Although USCIS did say that they THINK it is a NOA of some sort. We have recieved NOA1. As you cn tell, these are dificult times. Any advice would be good Thanks again Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-08-20 10:49:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Waiting for NOA2 - Undeliverable post twice - Advice please	QUOTE (Lioncub4 @ Aug 18 2009, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Bobby_Umit @ Aug 18 2009, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Aug 18 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can anyone please help NOA1 was on 14th May and this was received at the petitioners address. Since then she moved and changed her address with USCIS CA. On July 22nd it was posted on the website ""DOCUMENT OTHER THAN CARD OR TRAVEL DOCUMENT BEING HELD FOR 180 DAYS SINCE RETURNED AS UNDELIVERABLE - posted back 24th July. She immediately phoned thme and re-iterated here address. They couldnt tell her where the package was sent so we assumed it was her old address. They said it could be 45 working days to re-send so we waited On 17th August it was posted on the website ""DOCUMENT OTHER THAN CARD OR TRAVEL DOCUMENT BEING HELD FOR 180 DAYS SINCE RETURNED AS UNDELIVERABLE - posted back 14th August. This is the second time. What can we do? Contact USCIS and confirm the new address, explain the situation to them. She lives in an appartment block and the postman leaves all items in a private post box. It is big so in theory should fit. They refuse to go further inn as this is a big block. Does anything need signing for? and therefore are being sent back Perhaps she can go to the post office to ask them to hold her mail there, and she can pick it up directly, or speak to the postman about this letter. Should we change the address again to a friend in a house. Does that have any implications as it isnt going directly to the petitioner and this address is different to her home address? We could change it to her mother but thats another appartment block? I would not recommend that. Could it have gone to the original address even though they guaranteed it had changed? Most likely - or the website didn't get updated correctly. Is it worth getting a lawyer for more finacial clout? Doubtful they would be able to do anything you can't do for free... The petitioner is going to phone up today but will be lost in USCIS directory hell in all probability. Is there anything between NOA2 and the next part, being the London embassy that the petitoner has to do? For example, could the porcess be moving naturally even though she hasnt received anything. The package is normally sent to NVC, then on to the embassy after NOA2 (you will need the hard copy for the AOS though) P.S. USCIS never updated their site between the two dates to say what they had sent and when. Desperate for anyone who have had similar experiences or can help Paul I am a bit confused, is this the NOA2 that has been undeliverable twice? If so, the NOA2 is a simple regular size business envelope. The Packet 3 is sent to your fiance and not you....was a bit confused as to what you are waiting on. Yep sorry. Basically we have had NOA1 (mid may). Not had anything since except two updates on the system where a package (as described in the above text) has been returned by the post office. We phone up USCIS in July after the first occasion and they couldnt tell us what it was, or where it was sent!!!! My fiancee (the petitioner) is going to phone again today. I had a visajourney entry from that first occasion. 1 reply. I think everyone is in the dark like we are Thanks again for your help. It is appreciated Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-08-18 15:08:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Waiting for NOA2 - Undeliverable post twice - Advice please	QUOTE (Bobby_Umit @ Aug 18 2009, 04:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Aug 18 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Can anyone please help NOA1 was on 14th May and this was received at the petitioners address. Since then she moved and changed her address with USCIS CA. On July 22nd it was posted on the website ""DOCUMENT OTHER THAN CARD OR TRAVEL DOCUMENT BEING HELD FOR 180 DAYS SINCE RETURNED AS UNDELIVERABLE - posted back 24th July. She immediately phoned thme and re-iterated here address. They couldnt tell her where the package was sent so we assumed it was her old address. They said it could be 45 working days to re-send so we waited On 17th August it was posted on the website ""DOCUMENT OTHER THAN CARD OR TRAVEL DOCUMENT BEING HELD FOR 180 DAYS SINCE RETURNED AS UNDELIVERABLE - posted back 14th August. This is the second time. What can we do? Contact USCIS and confirm the new address, explain the situation to them. She lives in an appartment block and the postman leaves all items in a private post box. It is big so in theory should fit. They refuse to go further inn as this is a big block. Does anything need signing for? and therefore are being sent back Perhaps she can go to the post office to ask them to hold her mail there, and she can pick it up directly, or speak to the postman about this letter. Should we change the address again to a friend in a house. Does that have any implications as it isnt going directly to the petitioner and this address is different to her home address? We could change it to her mother but thats another appartment block? I would not recommend that. Could it have gone to the original address even though they guaranteed it had changed? Most likely - or the website didn't get updated correctly. Is it worth getting a lawyer for more finacial clout? Doubtful they would be able to do anything you can't do for free... The petitioner is going to phone up today but will be lost in USCIS directory hell in all probability. Is there anything between NOA2 and the next part, being the London embassy that the petitoner has to do? For example, could the porcess be moving naturally even though she hasnt received anything. The package is normally sent to NVC, then on to the embassy after NOA2 (you will need the hard copy for the AOS though) P.S. USCIS never updated their site between the two dates to say what they had sent and when. Desperate for anyone who have had similar experiences or can help Paul Real thanks for this. Yep your views are similar to mine except the changing of address. We are between NOA1 and NOA2 anf have no idea what this package is. It could be an RFE. We dont know the size, where it was sent or anything. Simply that it was sent back. We did phone them last time and they couldnt help us. My fiancee (the petitioner) is going to phone today and hopefully we may get a better clue. Change of address to get it delivered to a house would remove the apartment issue. I think talking to the post office may help but apparently they are not allowed to hold these legal documents. As said, really in the dark. Very very frustrating Thanks again for you help Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-08-18 15:04:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Waiting for NOA2 - Undeliverable post twice - Advice please	Can anyone please help NOA1 was on 14th May and this was received at the petitioners address. Since then she moved and changed her address with USCIS CA. On July 22nd it was posted on the website ""DOCUMENT OTHER THAN CARD OR TRAVEL DOCUMENT BEING HELD FOR 180 DAYS SINCE RETURNED AS UNDELIVERABLE - posted back 24th July. She immediately phoned thme and re-iterated here address. They couldnt tell her where the package was sent so we assumed it was her old address. They said it could be 45 working days to re-send so we waited On 17th August it was posted on the website ""DOCUMENT OTHER THAN CARD OR TRAVEL DOCUMENT BEING HELD FOR 180 DAYS SINCE RETURNED AS UNDELIVERABLE - posted back 14th August. This is the second time. What can we do? She lives in an appartment block and the postman leaves all items in a private post box. It is big so in theory should fit. They refuse to go further inn as this is a big block. Does anything need signing for? and therefore are being sent back Should we change the address again to a friend in a house. Does that have any implications as it isnt going directly to the petitioner and this address is different to her home address? We could change it to her mother but thats another appartment block? Could it have gone to the original address even though they guaranteed it had changed? Is it worth getting a lawyer for more finacial clout? The petitioner is going to phone up today but will be lost in USCIS directory hell in all probability. Is there anything between NOA2 and the next part, being the London embassy that the petitoner has to do? For example, could the porcess be moving naturally even though she hasnt received anything. P.S. USCIS never updated their site between the two dates to say what they had sent and when. Desperate for anyone who have had similar experiences or can help Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-08-18 09:47:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	on website says "Current Status: Approval notice sent." Does that mean NOA2 approval	QUOTE (Simon and Janet @ Aug 22 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yup that's the NOA2 approval. Great news for you guys! Congratulations! Thanks both you guys. Great news. Thought it was but wanted confirmation We do have a slight issue. NOA1 was May, then petitioner moved, and in July and then mid August had two cases of undeliverable mail. I think it was the NOA2. She lives in a big apartment block and for some reason there is an issue with getting the mail. Hope this time will be fine. At least it wont slow the process down if we get it delivered in the next month. Thanks again to you and to Abby for confirming the above. GET ON!!!!!!!! :0) :0) Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-08-22 05:00:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	on website says "Current Status: Approval notice sent." Does that mean NOA2 approval	Hi all. We are waiting NOA2. NOA1 was in May. Just checked the website. It says... Current Status: Approval notice sent. On August 20, 2009, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I129F PETITION FOR FIANCE(E). Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service. Is this definitely the NOA2. Does that mean it moves to NVC next? Do we have to wait for the letter? Probably old questions but nice to get personal assurance Thanks in advance. Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-08-22 04:05:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	NOA2 - Quick basic question	QUOTE (payxibka @ Sep 7 2009, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Sep 7 2009, 08:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All; 1) When NOA2 is sent back, i beleive it is only a short letter. The original package sent as part of the I-129F is not sent back. Is this correct? 2) If this is the case, the pack the petitioner the beneficiary sends to the petitioner is the photocopy of the pack (including RFE's) that they originally sent. Is this correct? 3) The guide says that original of documents should be sent. We never did this for I-129F and it was a photocopy of the birth certificate. Bascially just send the beneficiary exactly what was sent originally. It was accepted so should be fine. Is this correct? 4) The beneificary then has to do packet 3 and this also needs things like birth cetificates. Again, assume phoocopies are ok as long as any signatures are original Thanks as always Paul 1) correct 2) yes 3) i did not provide any originals to my wife in the information I gave her 4) P3 will most likely request that beneficiary to bring the original as well as a photocopy to the interview. They will review the original and keep the photocopy. Do NOT allow the consulate to keep any originals Excellent. Thanks a lot. Clear and conicse answers. Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-07 10:48:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	NOA2 - Quick basic question	All; 1) When NOA2 is sent back, i beleive it is only a short letter. The original package sent as part of the I-129F is not sent back. Is this correct? 2) If this is the case, the pack the petitioner the beneficiary sends to the petitioner is the photocopy of the pack (including RFE's) that they originally sent. Is this correct? 3) The guide says that original of documents should be sent. We never did this for I-129F and it was a photocopy of the birth certificate. Bascially just send the beneficiary exactly what was sent originally. It was accepted so should be fine. Is this correct? 4) The beneificary then has to do packet 3 and this also needs things like birth cetificates. Again, assume phoocopies are ok as long as any signatures are original Thanks as always Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-07 08:10:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Evidence of ongoing relationship for packet 3 - simple question	QUOTE (baron555 @ Sep 16 2009, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My question was when we created it last time we worded it with the evidence as if the petitioner created it. This was because the petitioner was initiating the process. Now it is packet 3, i assume it switches to the benificiary and therefore everything should be worded as if they have created the evidence pack. I know this is a small detail but dont want any stupid slip ups. I don't agree with wording it as if one or the other created the documents. To me it should be worded as you both created it. You both should be involved in the relationship and your evidence should show this and tell the story of your relationship to each other. I simply sent summaries of OUR emails to each other, receipt of the book I sent to HER and a photo of HER with the book. I think you catch my drift. She will tell her side of the story at the interview and will most usually be asked a few questions. Thats a very good point my friend and i think you are right? I have sent her gifts so as like with your book, it shows a nice and warm relationship is ongoing. Thanks for this. Really appreciated.	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-16 14:37:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Evidence of ongoing relationship for packet 3 - simple question	QUOTE (kona @ Sep 14 2009, 06:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey Paul, Quick question to you since I haven't received a reply to my earlier post the other day about packet 3 from the uk london embassy... what exactly do we have to send off to them in reply to their initial letter? Different embassies are different and trying to find out on here is proving more tricky than i expected! As far as i know: forms 230, 156, 156K, 157, and IV-15... anything else? I appreciate your time in replying in advance! I also notice you submitted your application (although to California, not Vermont) only the week before i did, so i'm paying particular attention to your timeline! Cheers mate, Max Hi Max; For context, i am from UK (beneficiary) and my fiancee is from the U.S (petitioner). Bet you knew that already This is what i think i will have to fill out for packet 3 (havent got it yet) 1. Fill in DS-230-1 Part 1 (Part 2 is completed by me at interview) • Birth Certificate (long version) • Adoption Certificates • Court and Prison records (any other country lived for over a year or where picked up criminal record) • Court and Prison records UK • Deportation Documents • Marriage Termination Documents • Military Records • Photocopy of Passport Bio graphic page • Police certificates (any other country lived for over a year or where picked up criminal record) • Police certificate UK. An immigrant visa applicant who has resided in the United Kingdom for 6 months or more since the age of 16, is required to obtain a police certificate from the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO). Further information is available from their website at http://www.acpo.poli...ertificates.asp . This police certificate will serve to advise the U.S. Embassy, London whether or not any criminal conviction is held against him/her. • Photographs • Translations 2. Ds-156 x 2 3. Electronic Visa 4. DS-156K (Do not sign) 5. DS-157 (Male only) 6. IV-15 Checklist • Tick off checklist I dont know what the Elcctronic Visa is? Do you? From the petitioner i will be getting: 7. Original I-129f packet 8. Letter affirming her wish still to marry me (i will complete one too) 9. Affidavit of Support (with all evidence - I have other posts about that on here) 10. Some proof of an ongoing relationship. Will be text logs, photos, phone call logs etc. and i will add things that i have like msngr logs etc. etc. 11. Maybe a copy of NOA1 and NOA2. We are having a real problem with NOA2. My fiancee moved between NOA1 and NOA2 and 3 times in a row the letter has been sent back. Wea re being told dont need it for this but do for AOS. Maybe USCIS will have sorted it by then? Thats about it. Any other questions, please ask Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-15 18:44:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Evidence of ongoing relationship for packet 3 - simple question	QUOTE (JimVaPhuong @ Sep 14 2009, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Sep 14 2009, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (JimVaPhuong @ Sep 14 2009, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Sep 14 2009, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All; This is a bit obvious but want to triple check. When we wrote a cover letter for the I-134F detailing our relatiionship we wrote it on behalf of the petitioner (i.e. met my fiance from England on this date, he came over here on this date, this photo is of me and my fiance at the pool etc.). For packet 3 we need to do the same but more recent to now. I assume we switch the emphasis over so that it from the beneficiaries viewpoin (My fiance from the USA can over on this date, and this is my fiancee and me at my parents house in England. Do you agree? Paul You're a little confused on the forms. The I-129F is the K1 (or K3) visa petition, which the petitioner sends to USCIS. The I-134 is an affidavit of support. The evidence required for the I-129F is proof that you have physically met each other within two years. The evidence required for the I-134 is proof that the petitioner meets the minimum income requirements to sponsor their fiance/e. What they are probably asking for in packet 3 (varies from one consulate to another) is evidence of a bona fide relationship. Providing a letter describing your relationship is ok, but what is really required is concrete evidence. Otherwise, whatever you say in the letter is not worth much. Provide anything that demonstrates you have a real relationship. This includes evidence of time spent together, of course, but also includes ongoing communications - emails, chat logs, webcam pics, etc. This sort of evidence is usually neutral, in terms of viewpoint. For example, a printout of a chat session will contain whatever each party wrote, regardless of who prints it out. Consulates in low fraud countries generally don't need any detailed explanations from either party - they are more interested in the evidence. Detailed explanations are sometimes essential in high fraud countries to counter the presumption that the relationship is a sham. You'll also want an updated letter of intent from both parties to re-affirm your intention to get married when the beneficiary arrives in the US. Excellent and thanks. Yep, when i did the evidence for the initial USCIS part i submitted a 2 page letter stating our story with details to corresponding evidence. The evidence was over 80 pages (photos, phone reciepts, messenger logs, plane tickets, hotels etc. et.c). Was going to do exectly the same for packet 3. It will be easier this time as i have the template and it is concrete undisputable proof. USCIS accepted it straight away so assume the U.S. embassy will as well. Obviously this time it is new evidence from when we first posted to USCIS and now for this new packet. My question was when we created it last time we worded it with the evidence as if the petitioner created it. This was because the petitioner was initiating the process. Now it is packet 3, i assume it switches to the benificiary and therefore everything should be worded as if they have created the evidence pack. I know this is a small detail but dont want any stupid slip ups. Letters - Yep going to get those as well. Petitoner will send hers over when she sends the Affadavit of Support and the original I-129F pack In response to packet 3, the evidence isn't generally required to be submitted in the form of a "package" to the consulate. In fact, I'm not aware of any consulate that wants you to actually send this stuff to them. Usually, all they want in response to packet 3 is some specific forms, although they will often advise what additional forms, documents, and evidence will be required at the interview. You get more specific information about that in packet 4. The relationship evidence is usually something you bring to the interview, and you present it when they ask for it. For example, if the CO asks if you've got photos, then you hand them your photos. If they ask if you've got emails, then you hand them your emails. You won't be handing them an 80 page stack of paper because they won't have time to go through it. Just cherry pick the best stuff to present to them. Besides, they'll have already reviewed any evidence that was included with the original petition, since they'll have a copy of everything. There probably wouldn't be much point in preparing a letter like you describe from the beneficiary's viewpoint. You probably won't have an opportunity to submit it, the CO probably won't have time to read it, and the beneficiary will be at the interview - if the CO has any questions for the beneficiary they can ask them directly. When I was talking about detailed explanations for high fraud consulates, I was speaking primarily about consulates that issue RFE's at the interview for explanations that were not asked for in either packet 3 or packet 4. For example, the consulate in Ho Chi Minh City likes to give RFE's for something they call a "timeline of the relationship". They want a chronology that demonstrates the relationship developed over time in a believable manner, and wasn't cobbled together quickly for the purpose of immigration. In their case, they specifically ask that the timeline be written by the petitioner (they never believe the beneficiary), and they want it notarized. I've never heard of anything like this being requested in London. Excellent response and information my friend. Sounds like the letter isnt required and makes my job easier. I have actually already written it but what i will do is use it to simply compile the evidence for the interview. So conclusion - Packet 3 is just the forms and added extras like birth certificate, police record, divorce paper. Packet 4 is stuff for the interview like evidence of an ongoing relationship Correct?	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-15 18:31:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Evidence of ongoing relationship for packet 3 - simple question	QUOTE (JimVaPhuong @ Sep 14 2009, 04:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Sep 14 2009, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All; This is a bit obvious but want to triple check. When we wrote a cover letter for the I-134F detailing our relatiionship we wrote it on behalf of the petitioner (i.e. met my fiance from England on this date, he came over here on this date, this photo is of me and my fiance at the pool etc.). For packet 3 we need to do the same but more recent to now. I assume we switch the emphasis over so that it from the beneficiaries viewpoin (My fiance from the USA can over on this date, and this is my fiancee and me at my parents house in England. Do you agree? Paul You're a little confused on the forms. The I-129F is the K1 (or K3) visa petition, which the petitioner sends to USCIS. The I-134 is an affidavit of support. The evidence required for the I-129F is proof that you have physically met each other within two years. The evidence required for the I-134 is proof that the petitioner meets the minimum income requirements to sponsor their fiance/e. What they are probably asking for in packet 3 (varies from one consulate to another) is evidence of a bona fide relationship. Providing a letter describing your relationship is ok, but what is really required is concrete evidence. Otherwise, whatever you say in the letter is not worth much. Provide anything that demonstrates you have a real relationship. This includes evidence of time spent together, of course, but also includes ongoing communications - emails, chat logs, webcam pics, etc. This sort of evidence is usually neutral, in terms of viewpoint. For example, a printout of a chat session will contain whatever each party wrote, regardless of who prints it out. Consulates in low fraud countries generally don't need any detailed explanations from either party - they are more interested in the evidence. Detailed explanations are sometimes essential in high fraud countries to counter the presumption that the relationship is a sham. You'll also want an updated letter of intent from both parties to re-affirm your intention to get married when the beneficiary arrives in the US. Excellent and thanks. Yep, when i did the evidence for the initial USCIS part i submitted a 2 page letter stating our story with details to corresponding evidence. The evidence was over 80 pages (photos, phone reciepts, messenger logs, plane tickets, hotels etc. et.c). Was going to do exectly the same for packet 3. It will be easier this time as i have the template and it is concrete undisputable proof. USCIS accepted it straight away so assume the U.S. embassy will as well. Obviously this time it is new evidence from when we first posted to USCIS and now for this new packet. My question was when we created it last time we worded it with the evidence as if the petitioner created it. This was because the petitioner was initiating the process. Now it is packet 3, i assume it switches to the benificiary and therefore everything should be worded as if they have created the evidence pack. I know this is a small detail but dont want any stupid slip ups. Letters - Yep going to get those as well. Petitoner will send hers over when she sends the Affadavit of Support and the original I-129F pack	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-14 10:47:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Evidence of ongoing relationship for packet 3 - simple question	All; This is a bit obvious but want to triple check. When we wrote a cover letter for the I-134F detailing our relatiionship we wrote it on behalf of the petitioner (i.e. met my fiance from England on this date, he came over here on this date, this photo is of me and my fiance at the pool etc.). For packet 3 we need to do the same but more recent to now. I assume we switch the emphasis over so that it from the beneficiaries viewpoin (My fiance from the USA can over on this date, and this is my fiancee and me at my parents house in England. Do you agree? Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-14 07:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Packet 3 Letter - Names of Travelling Applicants at the bottom of page	QUOTE (Carlawarla @ Sep 18 2009, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (paul p @ Sep 17 2009, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> All; I have received my packet 3 today and it all looks great except... At he bottom of the page it says Traveling Applicants and then lists me and my two children. My two children (who are older teenagers by the way) are not emigrating to the U.S. It is just me. Is this letter therefore wrong? Is it something i should email / phone the embassy about? The only worry i have is the Affidavit of Support. We are only just over the limit and my two children would blow it Thanks in advance Paul I had the same thing. I had two adult children, well, one was 18, but both my kids remained in Canada. On every paper I received up to the interview, it always included my kids names. Don't include them in the Affidavit of Support, that's not an issue. At the interview they'll probably just verbally confirm with you that the kids aren't coming. Of note, is that I just finished my ROC, and they still ask me to name my children on everything I've filled in since being here as well. No, you don't need to phone anyone about this. You're good to go! Carla; You are a star. Clear, concise and reassuring. Thanks for making my day. Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-19 03:37:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Packet 3 Letter - Names of Travelling Applicants at the bottom of page	All; I have received my packet 3 today and it all looks great except... At he bottom of the page it says Traveling Applicants and then lists me and my two children. My two children (who are older teenagers by the way) are not emigrating to the U.S. It is just me. Is this letter therefore wrong? Is it something i should email / phone the embassy about? The only worry i have is the Affidavit of Support. We are only just over the limit and my two children would blow it Thanks in advance Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-17 14:51:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	UK Police check - No live trace - Juvenile shoplifting crime	QUOTE (Allie and Nigel @ Sep 30 2009, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My fiance is in the same boat..."no live trace" for letting the air out of the neighbours tires when he was a teenager..we had to go get a "police subject access" from the local cop shop/police station, lol for 10 pounds....takes about 40 or less days to get supposably and we are hoping that it wont affect our interview either! Good luck! Not sure if that is Moral Turpitude. Probably be ok. If i may ask, Who told you to get the "police subject access"? Was it the US Embassy There are links on this thread to the guide the U.S embassy use and between 15 and 18 it looks like you are fine if it isnt a felony. Yours definitely wouldnt be and mine probably isnt due to cost of the item and the sentence i got (conditional discharge). Again, tihs is a nightmare but all i can do is go to the interview. Im allowed to work on government projects so my thinking is that a misdemeanour 25 years ago when i was still a juvenile isnt going to sway things too much. Trouble is, affidavit is slightly dodgy and something medical too. All put together may swing it. Ahh what th ehell, im a good person and they will see that. (that statement is for my benefit i think :0) ). Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-30 16:42:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	UK Police check - No live trace - Juvenile shoplifting crime	QUOTE (Stephen + Elisha @ Sep 30 2009, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Shoplifting, broadly speaking, is considered a crime involving moral turpitude. The actual determination of whether your specific offense involved moral turpitude takes in other factors, however, including the sentence received, the possible sentence, etc. The fact that you were a minor at the time may get you off the hook as well. State Department Foreign Affairs Manual - Notes on visa applicants who have committed crimes: http://www.state.gov...ation/86942.pdf This is a nightmare. I was 15 years old (25 years ago), stole a 4 pound blank cassette tape, went to court and got a conditional discharge. Not sure what the maximum sentence was available. Probably community service. I am currently working in UK government I.T. project and they check your police record and were ok with it. Im still owrking there. It has been "stepped down" Now, the above is true but the court case was done due to a second offence. The first being at the age of 13 when a gang of us stole some paintings that were being thrown out. Again got a caution. So is this a second offense and therefore not allowed the exemption. Dont even want to mention that. Just want to mention i went to court for juvenile crime of shoplifting and received a conditional discharge. Do you honestly think they will deny me for this?	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-30 15:08:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	UK Police check - No live trace - Juvenile shoplifting crime	QUOTE (brlukath @ Sep 30 2009, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> To some extent the best route for you depends on how juvenile convictions are treated in England and Wales (??). For many US jurisdictions, for example, you are allowed to answer no to the question "have you ever been convicted...?" if it was a juvenile offence and it happened many years ago (the rules vary). I would find out exactly what the rules are in your jurisdiction. Then, since I assume your police certificate will look different from the average UK applicant, I would prepare a declaration or an affidavit to offer with the police certificate explaining your situation and why you did not disclose initially. Something like: [Insert general declaration/affidavit opening] On or about [date], at the age of [age], I was convicted [if they make your record secret (i.e. seal it): of a juvenile offense][if they don't seal it: shoplifting] and sentenced to [whatever your sentence was--what did the conditional discharge involve?] [If this is true: Under the laws of England and Wales, such offenses are not counted as convictions....][if not: explain why you didn't disclose it before.] [If this is true, something like: I have never been arrested for, charged with, convicted of, or to my knowledge, investigated with respect to, any other crime, whether felony or misdemeanor. ] BUT, If your police certificate doesn't look different --check the regional forum for that-- the analysis would change. For those of you disagreeing... the reason to give this sort of explanation is not that this offense (though shoplifiting could be a crime of moral turpitude depending on the exact language of the law under which you were convicted), commited as 15(?)-year-old, should cause you issues or even send you to AP/waiverland--don't get me wrong it could. But the bigger risk is that, you could get in trouble for misrepresentations or (something I have heard of only once or twice) "quasi-misrepresentations". If you get that verdict, they are saying you lied and there is basically nothing you can do. So DISCLOSE, DISCLOSE, DISCLOSE. Since it is a theft crime, I would avoid giving the details if it is possible (i.e. England and Wales don't require disclosure of juvenile crimes) and force the Consulate to ask you for details if they want them. Thanks for your quick response. Couple of questions.... I dont send the police certificate to the embassy do i (with the standard forms). The first they see it is when i show them at the embassy. Is this correct? When i sign the packet 3 forms (i havent done this yet), is says any criminal offense. I assume i say yes and then put juvenile offence with the words you stated in comments box. Should i do this? The police certificate says "No live Trace". a few people on the forum have had this and had no problems. However, i dont know if they declared it. However, i phoned ACRO and the man said if was an offense i would need to declare it. The form actually says "if your police certificate states 'no live trace' and you have not declared it, you may be asked to explain this outcome which could delay your visa application. So, answering my own question and with your words about misleading in mind, declare it (and it is moral turpitude - jeez, shoplifting and joy-riding isnt), say it was as a juvenile, say it was a discharge and then go with the consequences. Cant believe this is haunting me now Paul	paul p	Male	0	2009-09-30 10:50:00