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Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)We have not seen eachother in more than 2 years!!
QUOTE (LovingColombia @ Jun 12 2009, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
sad.gif Thanks I Kinda knew that... I was more hoping for the year he was kept in jail although he was inocent. Which was really the reason we did not apply while we still had time.

Thanks...


He's going to need a passport, period. He has to make a current trip to establish the engagement and it is highly recommended he attend the interview at the consulate at the appropriate time.
Suggestion!
I believe, not sure, but I believe that he might be able to get a waiver from the local family court for a passport, he needs to consult a family court attorney.
If the court feels he's not a flight risk they might issue an order allowing it.
Not sure what jurisdiction his child support case is from, but usually paternity and child support are established at a point in time.
Here in New Jersey, for example, child support payments begin to accrue at the earliest on the first hearing date at a court appearance. It doesn't go back in time to the moment of birth because the father didn't know he had a child. It might be possible he doesn't have his facts in order, might have moved and had an outstanding case, etc.

Good luck.

Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-12 18:05:00
Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)Fiancee overstayed on B1 Visa and now has 5 year ban
Yes, the immigration laws are not easy to understand. However, besides our perception of understanding them, USCIS, Customs and Consulate officials are have stacks of cases that they are examining for fraud and intent. This is an additional factor everyone in the process must take into account.

I feel for you and your fiancée, you both had a lifetime of happiness in your grasp, yet because of simple lack of understanding the process it may have been thrown away. Even to this point, if I where a US Consul official, after reading your last post, I could interpret your K-1 petition as not being genuine. Your own statement “I offered up the K1 visa option if it would help them get things worked out because my fiancée and I had talked about already”, think about what you just wrote and what is written in your previous posts.

I’m not 100% sure, but due to your circumstances a spousal petition with a waiver might be more fruitful, less costly, aggravating and time consuming than a fiancée k-1 petition with a waiver. Remember, you need a waiver; you have valid hardships, one being your 3 year old daughter.

The flip side of all of this, “I don’t want to be the one playing devil’s advocate”, but evaluate the relationship and how important it is for you, this one is going to be a tough one. Be smart, be careful, could there be other factors you might not be aware of causing a 5 year ban? Reading between the lines, could there be other issues, family, career, business etc? Is the attorney here or in Japan? Remember, he’s the employer’s attorney, not yours or hers.

Anyway, got to go, good luck, hopefully other members can be more helpful.

Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-07-13 21:19:00
Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)Fiancee overstayed on B1 Visa and now has 5 year ban
I’ve been working in the accounting and taxation field for almost thirty years. Until recently (due to my own petition) I’ve only dealt with immigration issues on the surface and only as it related to my work, attorney referrals and client’s needs. But thru this exposure, I have personally seen thousands of cases, stories and circumstances.

It seems to me this is a combination of ignorance and simple stupidity (no insult to you or your fiancée intended). But very often people travel or intend on traveling and visiting a foreign country without carefully reviewing procedures, immigration and visa guidelines and some basic laws and regulations, and the consequences if these guidelines, laws and regulations are not followed. I’ve seen this happen frequently with visitors from developed countries such as Japan, Korea, England, members of the European Union and even Americans traveling to other countries overseas. Visitors from underdeveloped and third world countries seem to be more informed as to the whole process, obviously due to the difficultly of been able to obtain a visa and enter legally.

If the intent was to enter, over stay the visa and adjust status, your girlfriend/fiancée would have just stayed, gotten married and filed for an AOS. But her actions raised numerous red flags, overstayed visa, a B1 vs. H1B. Any mention of entering the US with the intent on marrying, entering pregnant and giving birth in the States, working without a work permit are big no no’s with USCIS. (I know the last two are not your case), it seems to me she might have seriously pissed someone off upon her entry. They slammed the book on her with a 5 year ban.

It’s quite unlikely that she will be issued a visa again in the near future. Think this one thru, and if this relationship is that important to you, consider skipping the fiancée K-1 process. Get married in Japan, and look into the process of petitioning her as your spouse and getting a waiver. Your other option is? How’s good is your Japanese?

Good luck.

Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-07-13 18:05:00
Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)DHS contridicting themselves!! HEEELPP!!!
QUOTE (JimVaPhuong @ Jul 26 2009, 05:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Surf2Salsa @ Jul 26 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
#1:
I could be very wrong, but I was under the impression that the act expired April 30, 2001. You can not file after that date and still be qualified for the extension.


I think she, and presumably her attorney, are talking about the original petition which she says was filed by his grandfather in 1994. Presuming that there was a valid immigration petition already approved, the AOS petition filed in 1994 would be covered by the act.

Like you say, I'm still confused how his grandfather petitioned him. wacko.gif


I still think the act applies if you were married before 4/30/2001, they just got married, and they married after he was deported.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-07-26 16:39:00
Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)DHS contridicting themselves!! HEEELPP!!!
#1:
I could be very wrong, but I was under the impression that the act expired April 30, 2001. You can not file after that date and still be qualified for the extension.

#2:
Right from the USCIS web site on Family Based Immigrants
Grandparents, aunts, uncles, in-laws and cousins cannot sponsor a relative for immigration.

And #3: Your husband may be in additional trouble.

The basic statutory maximum penalty for reentry after deportation is a fine under title 18, imprisonment for not more than 2 years, or both. However, with regard to an alien whose "removal" was subsequent to a conviction for commission of three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against the person, or both, or a felony (other than an aggravated felony), the statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 10 years. Moreover, if deportation was subsequent to conviction for an aggravated felony, the statutory maximum term of imprisonment is 20 years.

I think you may have been very misinformed.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-07-26 15:01:00
Mexico, Latin & South AmericaVolver a renovar mi permiso de trabajo
Cuando entrastes a los EEUU?
Cuando te casastes legal?
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-07-13 15:55:00
National Visa Center (Dept of State)What are the odds of getting stuck in AP??
What are you worried about? If this is your reaction so far you're going to have a tough time ahead of you.
Relax!
You're doing wonderful NOA2 in 47 days and your case is headed to the consulate!
Call to verify the consulate received the hardcopy, then follow the procedures for the consulate to get your interview date.

The interview will be your real critical moment, proving a legitimate relationship and that one continues.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-10-11 13:48:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresK3 Visa
Credit checks are not part of the process.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-08 11:00:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussionvisa waiver program
QUOTE (J'n'T @ Jun 4 2009, 07:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wacko.gif Hi everyone here's a good one for you all to get your teeth into blink.gif my fiance and i are in the process of K1 visa, we've got our noa1 waiting for noa2 good.gif now here's the good bit.... my fiance's eldest daughter is getting married end of august and i am unable to attend thanks to detriot int airport refusing me to enter the united states in april. The reason for this was that i could not proove at the time that i was able to finacialy support myself whislt staying in the states even though we explained i was getting married and was not staying for long it was just a holiday to break up the time so we're not away from one another for too long. I was not banned or deported just turned around, we have been told by lawyer this will not affect our K1 so thats cool but..... Anyway... i want to got to the wedding of course because this has been planned for a long time and i was excited and proud to be a part of it, so my question is ? is there a special visa parden system where i can enter the country for a weekend lets say just simply to attend the wedding then leave? i saw a program called 'nothing to declare' on sky tv last night which suggested that people who have been refused entry under the visa waiver can get special permission to enter for a short period of time? sorry question was so long please help.... thanks unsure.gif


I looked at your profile, it says you're from U.K.?
I'm not familiar with British citizen entries to the US, but I believe they are the same as European, such as Spain for example.
I have friends that are from Spain and they come and go as they please.
I think you got a bad rap at the airport, maybe you gave the INS interviewer to much information,
your visa should be almost automatic.
If you can afford it, try a weekend entry and exit before the wedding, purchase airline tickets for a weekend or a few days before and after.
I think you raised questions with your answers on the last entry,
stick to short answers,
I'm here to visit friends and I'm staying at xxx location, and I'm leaving on such a date,
I have travel insurance in case of emergency, etc.
By mentioning a fiance, etc. the interviewer may suspect you might overstay, get married, and file for residency etc.
They might have used any excuse to send you back.

Hope my thoughts help.



Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-04 08:23:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionORIGINAL DOCUMENTS
QUOTE (ashely060404 @ Jun 4 2009, 08:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hello9 to everyone im a new member here but i'd been surfing it before then lately juz decided to register. anyway here goes my question... im on a K1 visa already scheduled my interview on JUNE 15 and done my medical exam at SLMCEC and everything was fine. i juz want to ask if its okey not to have the original copy of my fiance's W2? he told me that his employer needed it yearly so he cannot give the original.. and mostly what are the questions they asked during the interview... hope someone would be able to reply me back on this matter THANK YOU


A good clear copy should be fine.
I'm a tax accountant, as far as I can recall, all my clients with INS cases have provided good clear copies without any problems.

A suggestion would be to get a tax return transcript from the IRS for the last three filing years, 2008, 2007 & 2006, since you have a short period of time to the interview, have your fiance visit a local IRS office, telling them he needs it urgently for an Immigration interview, they will provide them on the spot. Current proof of income would be helpful, 2 to 4 paystubs and an employment letter from his job.

Good luck
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-04 08:54:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussionneed help so bad
Question?

Does he have tax returns? Has he filed?
Maybe he has a business and hasn't filed?


Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-13 21:06:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionAffidavit of Support mandatory?
I was under the impression that co-sponsors were not accepted on K-1 visas.
Is that not so?
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-15 05:24:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionK1 Visa
Congratulations!!!!
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-07-06 08:05:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionW2
Send in a good copy of the W-2's for each of the 3 tax years you are sending.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-15 07:23:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionURGENT Birth Certificate question
QUOTE (kyle&krystel @ Oct 11 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok, so my fiancee and I will be having our interview very soon, and she had brought to my attention that her Birth Certificate had a late registration. She was born in the Philippines in 1987, and was registered late in 1998, 11 years later. Her Baptismal Certificate is also this way, and she was worried that this might pose a problem. So to those who have experience/knowledge, do you think this could cause a problem? If so, what can we do about it?

Someone with your country & Consulate's experience can give you more info, but in the Dominican Republic this can cause nothing more than a delay after the interview sending the file into AP or AR (same thing), they need to verify her identity further.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-10-11 13:57:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionGoing back to the US after almost 6 months of absence
QUOTE (mela77 @ Jun 3 2009, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi all,

Here is my story: I was married for 4 years to a US citizen and became myself a US citizen in Sept last year. Things got sour with my husband for lots of reason (some horrible that I won't mention here) and I was so miserable and had enough that I resigned from my job and decided to file for divorce. In the meantime, I moved all my stuff out of the house went back home to my home country. That was 5 months ago, I haven't been back since. Divorce has been pronounced as well. Now I need to go back to take care of some papers and also want to visit friends. I am actually not quite sure if I'll stay home or come back to live in the US, for now just taking a break from all this. The question is, if I've been out for 5 months and not even sure where I reside anymore, will the immigration officer give me trouble?

Thanks!

M



You're a US citizen. Nothing to worry about.
Any questions asked are routine.
Legal Resident Alien's have restrictions,
US Citizens do not.

Enjoy your return visit.


Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-03 07:07:00
CanadaNo pictures in I129f
It is my understanding that pictures are secondary evidence substantiating primary evidence such as stamped passport, boarding passes, hotel receipts, etc. I think you might get an RFE, at that point you can send the old (again) and new primary evidence with the new pictures (secondary evidence).
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-16 16:17:00
CanadaAnnoying Tax Problem
I'm an accountant & tax preparer.
I run into this problem quite often at my office.

At this point you are definitely getting the run around.
Call Blockbuster again, remain cool calm and collected.
Verify your address on record that they have.
At this point insist on them faxing you a copy of the w-2 within hours,
24 hours at the most. If not, threaten that you are going to call the Internal Revenue Service and/or your state's division of taxation and labor department. Have the phone numbers for all three agencies written down before you call Blockbuster, threaten in a professional matter.

The Internal Revenue Service is 1-800-829-1040, I believe you're in California, like New Jersey and New York, California should be very helpful, they are very pro-government and anti business. I'm sure that Blockbuster doesn't want an investigation into the matter.

I always suggest to tax payers to ALWAYS keep paystubs. This is proof of employment and you can recreate a W-2 in case of an emergency and lack of cooperation from an employer with the last paystub in a tax year from an employer. I'm sure he's lost or discarded his paystubs, that's not going to work.

Keep me posted on your progress.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-17 21:44:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General Discussionwhat do you mean by NOA and
A lot of employers (if not most) don't keep track of when green cards expire.
They usually check those things when hiring new employees.

Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-17 02:36:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionVj tips are priceless/ we were approved!!!
Congratulations!

But......................

Doesn't he want to file for Naturalization?

Then you're almost done! crying.gif crying.gif crying.gif crying.gif
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-08-04 07:22:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsApproved!!
QUOTE (Danu @ Jun 12 2009, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Omg, I'm so in shock I can barely breathe. Wes got our notice in the mail yesterday! Approved nin 96 days!


Congratulations!

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Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-12 18:08:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsI just called uscis and this is what they said!
QUOTE (T0dd&Chr1ssy @ Jun 12 2009, 06:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I called them to require further information regarding our case and they told me they are currently working on cases from november 08 and it will be 2 months to get to ours! what a load of rubbish! I even said to her that cases were being accepted that were in January and febuary and all she said was "theres nothing I can do". I swear to god this better be BS! or else I'm calling off the K-1 and were moving to England and doing a K-3 because there is no freakin way that its right we should have to wait 7 months when some get theres in 3-4 and when I call them on it they just say "what do you want us to do about it". Absolute BS!!!!


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Hang in there. You're 4 and a half months ahead of me.
It is what it is, logic and uscis have nothing in common.

A while back I lost my original Naturalization Certificate, a few years ago I applied for a replacement!!!!
Unreal, expensive and it took 14 months for the replacement to arrive.

In the mean time I was in limbo, after 9-11 things changed, if I lost my driver's license or had it stolen I wouldn't of been able to replace it.
Now think of the logic, If I hit a cop in the mouth how long before the government can figure out who I am?
Yet it takes uscis 14 months to provide it on paper for you!!

Maybe things can change one day,
Good luck
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-13 08:29:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reportsvisa approved today...
Congratulations !!!!

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Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-16 15:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsI FINALLY GOT IT
Congratulations
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-19 12:38:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsSlow week at VSC?
Hey, relax!

You're a few weeks ahead of me, sending a poke like that could make a hole in my file, it's a few bins behind yours.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-17 02:28:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsVisa granted
Congratulations!!
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-07-09 06:27:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsOh wow, oh wow, oh wow!!!!
Congratulations!
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-07-26 18:03:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsNOA2 AT LAST!!!
Congratulations!

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Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-08-01 08:38:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsVisa approved today!
Congratulations!
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-08-27 14:07:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsDoes touch day after NOA2 mean it got sent to NVC?
QUOTE (Tina&Roland @ Sep 11 2009, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Surf2Salsa @ Sep 11 2009, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think strange things are going on at VSC.
Maybe they are rushing cases out.
I got an amended notice, and one other member here got the same, and we both have the same NOA1 dates and notice dates 9/10/2009.


What do you mean by amended notice?


Ours just says:

Application Type: I129F, PETITION FOR FIANCE(E)

Current Status: Approval notice sent.

On September 10, 2009, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I129F PETITION FOR FIANCE(E). Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service.

Mine says:
Amended notice mailed

Strange
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-11 08:34:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsDoes touch day after NOA2 mean it got sent to NVC?
I think strange things are going on at VSC.
Maybe they are rushing cases out.
I got an amended notice, and one other member here got the same, and we both have the same NOA1 dates and notice dates 9/10/2009.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-11 07:53:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsIm a little late posting but...got the NOA2!!
Congratulations! And glad to hear your daughter is ok.

Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-14 07:30:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsTHANK you GOD!!!! NOA2
Congratulations!
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-15 06:26:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsWe Are Approved!!!!!!!
Congratulations!!!!!!
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-15 06:28:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsVisa Approval received - At Last!
QUOTE (munkeynutts @ Sep 21 2009, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi all.

I called my fiancee Shawnie in Houston today. She went out to the mailbox and there it was - NOA2, visa approval! We got the email on September 10th saying that an 'Amended Notice' had been mailed, and it finally arrived today, dated September 18th! Anyway, onto the next chapter. Roll on interview day!

Martin


Hi Martin,

Congratulations!!!
Update your timeline, you didn't receive an RFE, your NOA2 date was 9/10/2009 like mine
leave your RFE date blank.

Call NVC at 603-334-0700,
1 for English, 2 for K-1 visas,
talk to a representative give them your EAC #, they will ask for beneficiary and petitioner's names and dates of birth, then ask them for your embassy case number, when they received the file and when the file went out to the consulate.

Mine was received by NVC 9/15 sent to DR on the 17th and I have my SDO # (SDO is for Dominican Republic)

Martin Congrats again and get ready for the interview.
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-22 08:33:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsK-1 129F, Amended Notice ???????
QUOTE (EasternDE @ Sep 11 2009, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.visajourn...=amended notice

I found this.

According to your timeline, it could be something similar. smile.gif


Thanks EasterDE, I found that this morning searching.
Also one more user with the same NOA1 as me got the same notice yesterday, identical dates as me.


Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-11 07:18:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsK-1 129F, Amended Notice ???????
Called USCIS waited till 8am.
Couldn't get someone on the phone, but the computer voice said an amended notice form I-797 was mailed on the 10th of September.
Now that's confusing I believe I-797 is used for the NOA2 approval?

Anyone have any ideas?
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-11 07:16:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsK-1 129F, Amended Notice ???????
?????????????????????????????????????

Just received this notice from CRIS:

*** DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS E-MAIL ***

The last processing action taken on your case

Receipt Number: EACXXXXXXXXX

Application Type: I129F , PETITION FOR FIANCE(E)

Current Status: We mailed you an amended notice.

On September 10, 2009, an amended notice on this case was mailed describing how we will process your case. Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before receiving our notice, call customer service. If this I129F PETITION FOR FIANCE(E) is still pending, you will be notified by mail when a decision is made, or if the office needs something from you. If you move while this case is pending, call customer service. If this case is still pending, we process each kind of case in the order we receive them. You can use our processing dates to estimate when this case will be done. This case is at our VERMONT SERVICE CENTER location. Follow the link below for current processing dates. You can also receive automatic e-mail updates as we process your case. Just follow the link below to register.

If you have questions or concerns about your application or the case status results listed above, or if you have not received a decision from USCIS within the current processing time listed*, please contact USCIS Customer Service at (800) 375-5283.

*Current processing times can be found on the USCIS website at www.uscis.gov under Case Status and Processing Dates.
*** Please do not respond to this e-mail message.


Sincerely,


The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
=========================================

What could this notice be about?
Been watching the threads here for months, never seen anything like this.
Anyone have ideas?

Thanks

Edited by Surf2Salsa, 11 September 2009 - 05:46 AM.

Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-09-11 05:45:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsDenial Notice Sent (K1)
Just a comment from observations of what I'm reading.
I'm not saying that this is the OP petitioner's case, but I was under the impression that a felony denial was applicable only for IMBRA related cases. Domestic violence, sexual assault, child abuse and neglect, dating violence, elder abuse or stalking, homicide, murder, manslaughter, rape, abusive sexual conduct, sexual exploitation, incest, torture, trafficking, peonage, holding hostage, involuntary servitude, slave trade, kidnapping, abduction, unlawful criminal restraint, false imprisonment or an attempt to commit any of these crimes, three or more convictions for crimes relating to a controlled substance or alcohol.

So, let's say a conviction for bad checks, burglary etc would not be a reason for denial. Anyway that is my impression, what say you all?
Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-08-06 10:35:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresFor those of you who have recieved a RFE form VCS
Nice work!
Those were plastic sleeves with copies of the docs inside each sleeve?
I guarantee you that the VSC employee yelled "Hey, guys, look at this one!!!"

Edited by Surf2Salsa, 17 June 2009 - 07:50 AM.

Surf2SalsaMaleDominican Republic2009-06-17 07:48:00