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Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
bwahaha!

Police to get training after head-scarf wearer's arrest



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In an interview with CNN's Rusty Dornin, Valentine said a bailiff told her she could not enter with her head scarf.

"I didn't pose a threat to anybody," Valentine said. "So I got really angry. I told her that was discrimination, and I said it was b.s. -- and I used the full term of the word."

She tried to leave, but the bailiff demanded that she appear before the judge, and pulled on her arm, Valentine said.

"I was right near the door. I said, 'Don't touch me.' And so she got in front of me," Valentine said. "... She called for a guard or a police officer. He came and then he just was near me, and was like, 'You're going to do what you're told to do.'

"And then he grabbed my arm, and of course instinctively I pulled it away. So he's like grabbing me and bending my arm, like you see people who are resisting arrest, and trying to get really physical with me. ... Then I said, 'OK, OK,' and I let them put the handcuffs on me."

Valentine said she would have had no problem with allowing a female officer to check under her head scarf to make sure she did not pose any danger.

Valentine said that when she told the judge what had happened, he sentenced her to 10 days in jail for contempt of court.



UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-23 11:33:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
Muslims should avoid insulting people, lest provoke them to insult those beloved to us:

The Prophet (saws) said: “One of the major sins is a man insulting his parents.” It was said, “O Messenger of Allah, do people really insult their parents?” He said, “Yes, a man insults another man’s father so he insults his father, or he insults another man's mother so he insults his mother.” (Bukhari)
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-19 11:32:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
Hightened security is a BS argument when people's liberties are being quashed. Not to mention the fact that hijabis seem to have no problem getting into court rooms in Atlanta, where the shootings actually happened, according to my hijabi contacts in Atlanta.

And while it may not change it to discuss it here (much like almost every conversation on the internet), it is important to discuss the possibilities of what can happen, so that we're prepared and know our rights in case anything like this actually happens to us.


UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-19 10:34:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
Last time I checked, it wasn't a woman in hijab who shot people. If they're worried about security, again, take her to the bathroom and have a female officer look under her scarf. I always suggest that to the airport security people, although they usually just wand me. I've never had the court security people give a second glance at my scarf.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-19 10:24:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
QUOTE (Karamella @ Dec 18 2008, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Old Dominion @ Dec 18 2008, 07:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Let's just remember that virtually every courthouse and almost every government building in the United States is on "orange alert" due to the potential for terrorist actions. The security staff are trained only to follow their orders. If removing a headpiece of any kind is requested by the authorities, we are expected to honor the request. The Patriot Act adopted after 9/11 took away many of our rights in favor of public safety. The prophet probably never envisioned a situation like this when the Muslim dress code was developed.



I work in a highly secured FEDERAL BUILDING... there is NO PROBLEM with wearing hijab in the building whatsoever. Not even if the code went to blistering RED would they require ANYONE to REMOVE their clothing, including the hijab!


I go to the state and federal court houses at least weekly here in the Twin Cities, and sit in on court cases a few times a month. Security has never had a problem with my hijab. It's BS to deny someone entry for that reason. IF it's really a security threat, have a female officer ask her to remove it in the bathroom so they can check for any weapons rolleyes.gif
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-19 08:45:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
Since the statement that Quakers refused to take off their hats in court was obviously ignored, let's look at it further, shall we?

From Littell's Living Age:

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The first occasion on which the Quaker's hat came publicly and officially into trouble was at the Launceston Assizes in the year 1656, before no less a person than Chief-Justice Glynn. "When we were brought into the court," says Fox, "we stood a pretty while with our hats on, and all was quiet, and I was moved to say, 'Peace be amongst you!' 'Why do you not put your hats off?' said the judge to us. We said nothing. 'Put off your hats,' said the judge again. Still we said nothing. Then said the judge, 'The court commands you to put off your hats.'" George Fox, with amazing simplicity, asked for some Scriptural instances of any magistrate commanding prisoners to put off their hats. He next asked to be shown, "either printed or written, any law of England that did command such a thing." Then the judge grew very angry, and said, "I do not carry my law-books on my back." "But," said Fox, "tell me where it is printed in any statute-book, that I may read it." The chief-justice cried out "Prevaricator!" and ordered the Quakers to be taken away.

...

These first public prosecutions for the sake of the hat happened in 1656. In the following year John ap John was put in prison at Tenby for wearing his hat in the church.



From my cursory, google based research, the practice of taking off one's hat in the court can be traced back to hat honor. In colonial times, one was required to doff their hat to their social superior. The person removing their hat was honoring someone who was superior to them.

So look at this in the modern concept. If a muslim woman keeps her scarf on, is she doing so to dishonor the court? No, she is doing so for modesty's sake, and because her own religious beliefs require her to cover her head, just as anyone else would feel it necessary to wear a shirt.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-18 10:43:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
What was she really arrested for?

http://www.ajc.com/m...age_tab_newstab

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Lisa Valentine, also known by her Islamic name, Miedah, 40, was arrested at the Douglasville Municipal Court for violating a court policy of no headgear, said Chris Womack, deputy chief of operations for the Douglasville Police Department.


Hmm, according to someone at the police department, she was arrested for not removing her scarf, not for swearing.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-18 10:07:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
Also, who cares what would happen if she did this in the middle east? She's not middle eastern. She's an american, married to an american, most likely a convert who's ancestors were brought here against their will in chains. What a middle eastern country does or does not do should have no bearing on how an american court treats an american citizen.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-18 10:02:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
QUOTE (HisLittleMasriyah @ Dec 18 2008, 08:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
right! so when a woman decides she wants to wear hijab she has to forget that shes a human being with mistakes and short comings and even tho she will try her best; sometimes hard situation will get the best of her.... but no she cant make mistakes like anyone else does!! NO THANK YOU! theres a difference between someone who is really bad as a person and wants to wear hijab thinking that will hide it and a person who is sincerely trying and is doing her best as a muslim and NO U DONT GET TO TELL US WHICH ONE SHE IS becoz u dont know ... no one knows and no one was there for the truth.


Exactly! Hijab is our actions as well as our clothes, but hijabis are human beings, and sometimes human beings let slip a foul word or 2.

If she was arrested for her language, then so be it. But she shouldn't have been barred from the court room in the first place. That's not hypocracy, that's the american way.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-18 09:09:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
CAIR mentions the swearing in their press release.

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According to the woman’s husband, she was seeking to enter the courtroom in Douglasville, Ga., to deal with a matter related to a nephew’s traffic citation. After she walked through the security area, a bailiff allegedly told her she would not be permitted to enter the courtroom wearing her religiously-mandated scarf. Frustrated at being prevented from entering the court, the woman reportedly uttered an expletive and sought to leave the area. As she attempted to leave, the bailiff reportedly handcuffed her and took her to the judge’s chambers where she was sentenced to 10 days in jail for “contempt.”

UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-17 17:30:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
Hehe, these comments are great!

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jemrik commented 18 minutes ago
Women wear the hijab not becuase of religous requirements but family tradition or social pressure. Only two countires (Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan) require and inforce the hijab. Also I totally agree it is for safety reasons that this must be removed in a cirmumstance such as a courtroom. Women flying into islamic countries must remove it in passport control... again...for security reasons.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-17 14:37:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
Looks like CAIR is already all over this.

As for removing it, there is plenty of legal precedence that allows for religious exceptions to certain rules. For example, states often will not allow people to cover their heads for driver's license photos. However, most, if not all (there used to be a document floating around with all the rules, but I can't find it right now) make exceptions for people who cover their heads for religious reasons. That would include sikh and jewish men, christian women who cover and hijabis.

And from what I hear from hijabi peeps in Georgia, they've had no problem entering court rooms hijab and all. So this town is going to have a hard time upholding this ban.

I think I'll send my Great Aunt Sister McTild down to Georgia and see if they demand she remove her habit. I wouldn't want to cross her, she's one fiesty nun devil.gif
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-17 13:18:00
Middle East and North AfricaWomen arrested for wearing Hijab in traffic court!
Methinks the town of Douglasville is going to get a visit from CAIR.

Thank God I live in Minnesota! People can wear their baseball caps on their drivers license, so we have no problem wearing hijab here.

Of course, we freeze our behinds of 6 months out of the year, but that's the price we pay for freedom.

Ah, lovely comments on the story:

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Is she a citizen of our country? Should NON citizens have the right to religious freedom? I don't think they should. You come into my country, you obey the laws & you learn to speak english.


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UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-17 11:56:00
Middle East and North AfricaFriday-12-26-08
At work, although it's pretty darn quiet here. I may just take the afternoon off after jummah and go snuggle with my kitty and husband.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-26 09:47:00
Middle East and North AfricaMENA Old Wives tales
Alas, I developed cold induced asthma/allergies since the husband has arrived, which he blames on my drinking cold things/eating ice cream. rolleyes.gif

As for talking in the bathroom, there's a hadith basis for it:

Abû Sa`îd (ra) said: I heard the Prophet (saws) saying : “Two men should not go to relieve themselves, exposing their private parts, and then be talking to each other, since Allah hates that.” (Abu Dawud, Ibn Mâjah, Musnad Ahmad)
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-22 11:19:00
Middle East and North AfricaYour favorite "newlywed" easy recipe?
Campbell's Kitchen recipes are uber easy - http://campbellkitchen.com/ - and there are a ton of them. I can't remember what I've made from there, since it's been awhile since I've used it, but I think just about everything was good

Also, just about every recipe I've made from the Bisquick site has been uber tasty as well - http://www.bettycroc...t/bisquick-mix/ - I've made a lot of the Impossibly Easy Pie recipes (the Salmon-Asparagus one is my fav), and the stew recipes are delicious.


One thing you should write a little warning about to go along with these recipes - always always always watch the sodium content, and don't eat too many of these recipes that use processed foods per week. We ate a lot of these in the early years of our marriage, along with pasta-roni type stuff, and my blood pressure went through the roof. Another good tip is to always balance the meal with a large helping of vegetables. We would often eat only pasta and meat, and again, my health suffered terribly. It's so easy to make a tasty veggie side dish. Get a packet of mixed vegetables from the freezer section. Dump it into a frying pan, no oil or butter or anything, and stir fry until it's thawed. Add a drizzle of olive oil and a few shakes of Mrs. Dash (there are a ton of flavors, collect them all!), and wa'la, tasty veggies.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-29 11:53:00
Middle East and North AfricaHappy Anniversary Bridget & Usama!

UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-29 11:55:00
Middle East and North AfricaTuesday Tuesday!
We got 5 inches of snow in the last few hours and traffic is crawling. I'm heading out the door, but I don't expect to be home for 3 hours crying.gif
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-30 17:29:00
Middle East and North AfricaADC Condemns Gaza Attacks
Family members and friends of MENA board members are in mortal danger. Is this really the time for sarcasm?
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-30 16:14:00
Middle East and North AfricaADC Condemns Gaza Attacks
Would it be possible to have one place online where those who validly criticize Israeli policy aren't labeled as jew haters who are always down on those evil jews? huh.gif
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-30 15:37:00
Middle East and North AfricaHappy Wednesday
Hehe, I'm a dork. I don't have an active myspace, and I won't touch facebook with a 10 foot poll, but my cat has a catster account.

If anyone is on catster, Squeaky needs friends.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-31 15:26:00
Middle East and North Africaanyone with family in GAZA??
Blog post on efforts in Jordan to send aid. Be warned, there is a picture of dead children at the bottom of the post.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-31 12:17:00
Middle East and North Africaanyone with family in GAZA??
QUOTE (humpkinpumpkin @ Dec 30 2008, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But since the UN cannot even get in how will the money eventually get to Gaza?


There have been several dozen UNRWA aid trucks that have made it in in the last few days, although not nearly enough to meet the demand. But then, that's better then nothing at this point.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-30 12:26:00
Middle East and North Africaanyone with family in GAZA??
QUOTE (amal @ Dec 30 2008, 11:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Someone prompted me to ask hubby about donating to Gaza last night and this is what he told me...
He had a friend who is a multi millionaire here in the states. This friend had family in Gaza so he was sending money over to help not only his family but anyone else the family could help. The US government found out about it and stripped this man of his US citizenship. He had been in the states for over 20 years and they pulled it out from under him just like that. They took his green card and had him deported with no return allowed. They warned him that if he had any other foreign friends who were helping Gaza, he should warn them that this will happen to them too because helping gaza in any way is aiding terrorist organizations.

This halted my idea of helping because although I wish with my heart and soul that I could do something for them...I don't want my husband to be deported. So what is left to do??? Pray. I'm praying as hard as I can every day that the remaining civilians stay safe and unharmed...It's sad....


This is precisely why my husband did research last night and found the 2 UN agencies listed above that one can donate through. He doesn't want the government ceasing the money from a charity without it getting there. I can't imagine if one donates through the UN that there would be any trouble.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-30 12:19:00
Middle East and North Africaanyone with family in GAZA??
Possible places to donate through:

Islamic Relief's Palestinian Crisis Fund
UNICEF's Emergency Relief Efforts in Palestine
UNRWA's emergency appeal for Palestine
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-30 10:55:00
Middle East and North Africastories from Gaza
From Laila al-Haddad - My Father's Story

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Gaza is full of stories. My relative's neighbors- 3 young children- were all killed today while playing marbles outside their home. Another distant relative was killed in his home. All in the name of making Israel more safe and secure.

My father has been doing his part by sharing his individual story with the world.

Yesterday, he spoke with NPR's NC station, WUNC. He appeared on the Story with ####### Gordon. You can listen him share his gripping experience here, one not unlike my friend Laila Al-Arian's grandfather's own story, published today in the Nation.

Moussa El-Haddad lives in Gaza with his wife. The bombs have fallen as close as 100 meters from his home. Two nights he was sitting at his desk and the reverberations from a nearby bomb knocked him right out of his chair. He tells ####### Gordon about what life is like for him now that his city is under siege, and about the hope that a new U.S. administration might mean new policies in this troubled region.

LINK TO THE FULL BROADCAST, including images my father took of a bombed out mosque near his house and a bread line winding out from a bakery.


visit the blog link for the full entry and more from Laila.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-03 09:24:00
Middle East and North Africastories from Gaza
Please post stories from your friends and family here. Also, if you read stories of Gazans' experience online or see it in the media, post here as well.

Please do not debate in this thread. Thank you.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-03 09:22:00
Middle East and North Africacheck in time - who are you, hows it going and just saying hi thread
We're fast approaching the 3rd anniversary of the husband's arrival (October 3rd wow.gif ). Life is not always smooth on the visa road, but alhamdulilah we're doing well.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-09-20 12:06:00
Middle East and North AfricaIsrael vows to keep up Gaza attacks
QUOTE (allousa @ Dec 29 2008, 01:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My SIL and her family are still in Gaza. They've been trying to leave for quite some time now. So far, they are okay. There is a crater 30m deep 2 blocks from her house. Her daughter is so frightened that she will not leave the house or go outside. She has severe panic attacks whenever she hears the jets overhead. My husband's family has lost a not so closely related family member.

What makes me so angry is that WHY won't they let the people out that want to leave? If they want to take out Hamas...that is one thing...but let the civilian people LEAVE!!!!!

Many of the pictures I've seen of the areas deeply affected by the bombings bear a striking resemblence to pictures I've seen of what was done to the Warsaw Ghettos.


Positive vibes and prayers for your family rose.gif
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-29 14:30:00
Middle East and North AfricaIsrael vows to keep up Gaza attacks
More first hand accounts/reports from people who have contacts in Gaza. Please be aware that some of these links contain graphic pictures:

Gaza Eyewitnesses from the BBC
From Occupied Palestine with Love
Live from Occupied Palestine
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-29 14:26:00
Middle East and North AfricaIsrael vows to keep up Gaza attacks
I have a few Palestinian Bloggers on my daily read list. Obviously, these are bias towards a particular side (guess which one?), but it's fascinating/heart breaking to read about it from people personally effected

A Mother in Gaza
Electronic Intifada

Further, Islamic Relief, a reputable muslim charity that does not finance any terror organizations, is holding a special drive for the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-29 12:51:00
Middle East and North Africamonday
QUOTE (Staashi @ Jan 5 2009, 08:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Awww, Rahma. Alhamdulilah for ORANGEkitties! They are my favorite. I luvz them lots. My Buddy Cat was a big ole orange kitty - I never see an orange kitty that I don't say a little prayer for him and then I want to go get a new one. crying.gif star_smile.gif


Alhamdulilah for shelter kitties of all kinds star_smile.gif I actually didn't even think about getting an orange kitty. I kinda glossed over them looking on Petfinder, but from the second I saw my Squeaky in her little cage at the humane society, I knew we were meant to be together. I think I'm going to collect one of ever color laughing.gif

Hope you get a new kitty to love and spoil smile.gif

Edited by rahma, 05 January 2009 - 09:34 AM.

UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-05 09:34:00
Middle East and North Africamonday
Happy One Month Gotcha Day Anniversary Squeaky! One month ago, we brought you home, and you've brightened our lives each day since. Alhamdulilah for kitties!


UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-05 09:04:00
Middle East and North AfricaIts Wednesday !!!!!!!
QUOTE (Aymsgirl @ Jan 7 2009, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Rahma...was that your kitty on the prayer rug?


yes.gif That's my Squeakster. I have more devious lolcat plans in the works including prayer beads and the kitteh, bwahaha!
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-07 12:23:00
Middle East and North AfricaIts Wednesday !!!!!!!
It's actually christmas for all christians who follow the Julian calendar, which includes a good percentage of eastern orthodox and oriental orthodox christians.

Wooo, look at that use of my BA in religious studies! That's more then I've used it for ages.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-07 10:33:00
Middle East and North AfricaWhat Rumors/Stereotypes Did your MENA SO hear about American Spouses from MENA Friends, Family, etc?
The problem with taking opinions from overseas scholars is that urf, culture, plays a roll in religious rulings. A fatwa from KSA will take saudi culture in account, a fatwa from al Azhar will take egyptian culture into account, etc etc etc. My husband has his favorite saudi based scholars, but when it comes to something effecting life here in the US, he'll always ask what Sh. Hamza Yusuf has to say, or will talk to one of the local scholars here in town who have a clue.

Alhamdulilah, we have scholars taking the initiative to educate new students of knowledge who are familiar with tradition and american/european culture. Zaytuna College is a dream becoming a reality.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-30 13:31:00
Middle East and North AfricaWhat Rumors/Stereotypes Did your MENA SO hear about American Spouses from MENA Friends, Family, etc?
QUOTE (Olivia* @ Dec 29 2008, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's kind of my plan. A couple changes of clothes and an empty suitcase for all the clothes I would buy there that are much cheaper and have me fitting in a little better.




I've been to Cairo twice in the summer - June and August. Yeah, it's hot. I think I spent a great deal of time laying under the fan in our flat. Some tips:

*Hippy clothes! I had 2 peasant blouses that got a lot of wear. They're light and airy, and keep you quite cool.
*Linen! It wrinkles, so have an iron handy, but it's oh so cool.
*long sleeves and a long skirt - yes, it seems counter intuitive, but if you keep the sun off your skin with light and airy fabrics, you'll actually stay cooler than in a tank top and shorts.
*hydrate, hydrate, hydrate! I always always always carried a water bottle around with me and would sip from it every 10 or 15 minutes.
*If you can, avoid going out around noon. If you're out sight seeing, take a long lunch. If you're near your apartment, go home for a nap.
*2 am is the best. If you can swing it, night time is awesome in Egypt. The air is much cooler, there's usually a breeze, and the little hole in the wall koshari stands are still open good.gif








As for what people said, well, the husband didn't let them say anything. If they started to say anything negative, he told them to shut up whistling.gif

Edited by rahma, 30 December 2008 - 10:20 AM.

UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2008-12-30 10:20:00
Middle East and North AfricaThursday
Hehe, Amsterdam. I went through there on my way to Cairo in 2005. Since my layover was 8 hours, I decided I'd take the train to the city. I bought my little pop out map and a train ticket, and settled in for the ride. I was looking at the map to see where I wanted to go when a nice person came up to me and said, excuse me, are you going to Amsterdam? Why yes, yes I am. I'm sorry, but you're actually going to the wrong way blink.gif

Got off the train at the next stop, managed to find the train to amsterdam, and got there with plenty of time to spare. Unfortunately, I was too freaked about taking the wrong train back to the airport and missing my flight that I only walked around for a half an hour. Then I got to spend 6 hours in the fine airport with no outlets and a laptop with a dead battery huh.gif
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-08 10:47:00
Middle East and North AfricaThursday
QUOTE (MrsAmera @ Jan 8 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Jen,

I know a lot of ppl that use their US passport simply for travel and ease. THey maintain Egyptian citizenship. He actually would not lose any citizenship but have both. The only difference is that he will have so many more rights in the states (vote, travel more easily, access to citizen services if needed etc.) What is his hesitation?



Despite the craptastic government in egypt, he still loves his country and feels a deep sense of pride in being egyptian. Splitting the loyalty is a tough one for him. We'll have to sit down and talk about it soon, to see what's going on. I'm all for it. If we ever moved to the gulf, he'd have so many more opportunities as an american, especially for higher paying jobs.
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-08 10:40:00
Middle East and North AfricaThursday
QUOTE (Ash * Habibati @ Jan 8 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's the same thing that I told Jihed because he's maintained he doesn't want citizenship either. We've still got 2 years or so before he'd be able to, but it's for the exact reasons that you stated. With that American passport we could just up and go to 99% of the world without any headaches, but otherwise it's going to be exactly this every time we want to go anywhere. Does he need a transit visa? Does he need a visitor's visa? How long does it take to get it? How much is it? Maybe he'll come around. wacko.gif


*looks at timelines* We're actually only 2 months off from applying for citizenship blink.gif I knew it was close, but not that close wacko.gif
UmmSqueaksterFemaleEgypt2009-01-08 10:35:00