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Middle East and North AfricaSafety and tips for Jordan

Just on a side note. We called New Park Hotel. Since my fiance is Filipina they said they will allow her to stay in the hotel with me and rent a double for 28 JD. They have internet, breakfast, and a shuttle(costs extra) to and from the airport. They just told us we both will need our passports and she will need her residence visa. Which she can only get the visa since her passport is at the hospital. They said that is fine just bring the visa. :P

you always got choices you can rent an apartment with fernture for both of you guys it's nice and may be cheaper and you can rent it daily or weekly over here if you want to go to a hotel with a woman she should to be only ur wife mother or sister and you have to have approve to let you stay in the same room
mark75MaleJordan2011-03-05 22:46:00
Middle East and North AfricaSafety and tips for Jordan
i'm jordanian waiting on visa in jordan if you want i can help you out when you get over here IF i was here but if i was not i got two brothers who work a taxi drivers and they will help you to go any where in jordan they are speak littel of english and they been doing this work for long time if you want i could give you the phone number and they will wait for you in the airport and take you to any hotel you want and they will help you a lot with any thing you need
if it sound good to you let me know
my email adress is mustafahussein75@yahoo.com
mark75MaleJordan2011-03-05 22:31:00
Middle East and North AfricaWould you live in MENA if you had to?
QUOTE (Henia @ Aug 10 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey all!

This has been asked before but thought I re-ask with all the new people on here ... if you had to would you live with your SO in their home country? If the petition was denied or if life in the States was unbearable for either of you or any other reason?

I realise for some, due to responsiblities this is not an option ... but if you could would you?

I myself, went throu the visa process, got the visa but due to various issues did not use it. We live here now ... some days it is great, some bearable while others I am just wacko.gif !



I am living the last year and a half in Jordan. Our final interview is this Wednesday, if we are denied I will stay here with my Husband. I can not wait to go to back to the USA.
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-10 12:38:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow much times does your MENA man spend on the phone or computer???
My husband hardly comes online and if he does it is for a few minutes. He does not like talking on the phone. However, I am sure when we go to the USA he will have to be on the phone for a bit since his mom has to know every little detail. I have found being in Jordan that Arabs are more of a social group then Americans. You(general) have to remember they(MENA) come from cultures where family and friends are coming everyday and a lot of time is spent socializing.
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-14 07:44:00
Middle East and North AfricaRamadan Checklist!!
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3. Read the whole Qur'an at least once as the Prophet peace be upon him did.


Ummm, wasn't the Prophet illiterate his entire life?


From what I understand, alot of times what's translated as "read" is really refering to reciting.

My understanding is also that the quran wasn't even written down into a consice book until after the Prophet (PBUH) died. They had a society of oral tradition, memorization, and recitition - with practice and training you would be suprised at the amount of information you can quickly and accurately memorize.

The Quran was written done on piece of bone, animal leather and Mushaf(like papers) before it was actually compiled into one book. Uthman(RA) was credited for the preservation of the Quran.

Meant to say written down, My husband was talking while I was typing..
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-15 04:34:00
Middle East and North AfricaRamadan Checklist!!
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3. Read the whole Qur'an at least once as the Prophet peace be upon him did.


Ummm, wasn't the Prophet illiterate his entire life?


From what I understand, alot of times what's translated as "read" is really refering to reciting.

My understanding is also that the quran wasn't even written down into a consice book until after the Prophet (PBUH) died. They had a society of oral tradition, memorization, and recitition - with practice and training you would be suprised at the amount of information you can quickly and accurately memorize.

The Quran was written done on piece of bone, animal leather and Mushaf(like papers) before it was actually compiled into one book. Uthman(RA) was credited for the preservation of the Quran.
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-15 04:27:00
Middle East and North AfricaRamadan Checklist!!
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3. Read the whole Qur'an at least once as the Prophet peace be upon him did.


Ummm, wasn't the Prophet illiterate his entire life?

Prophet Mohammad(saw) was not educated, this is one of the reasons why Allah(SWT) choose him. It is one of the Miracles of Allah(swt). Allah(swt) sent the Angel Jibril to Prophet Mohammad(SWT) who taught Prophet Mohammed(saw) how to read and Quran. Also, we know that all the books of Allah(swt) were revealed during Ramadan.
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-15 04:23:00
Middle East and North AfricaInterviews in Amman Anyone??
Thanks for the congrats everyone. We will probably plan on going to the USA after a month. We live in North Jordan, Irbid. I was speaking mainly about some women who work in the Embassy. They were there the first time I went to the Embassy. I have yet to see them again. I am use to people being sarcastic as I am from New York but, this one woman in particular was just blatantly obnoxious. As far as the rest of the Jordanians they have been very polite and just so nice. Anyway we are just so happy to be finished with going back and forth from Irbid to Amman....
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-13 09:54:00
Middle East and North AfricaInterviews in Amman Anyone??
QUOTE (esmatsgirl @ Jul 17 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello Fellow VJ'ers

I am curious as to what some of the latest interviews that have been scheduled at the embassy in Amman, Jordan are. Our case was complete at the NVC on June 26th and we still don't have an interview date. I know they only schedule interviews during the 2nd week of the month for the following month...did any of you get in for August????

Since we did not get in for August...I can only hope for a September interview date but of course won't know a thing about that til the 2nd week of August when they do September interviews.

Are any of you waiting for an interview date with case at NVC complete like us? Pls respond and let me know your status if you are in the "waiting for interview" stage.

We have been apart now since March 4. I think through everything, this waiting for the NVC to schedule the interview was the hardest part so far. You cheer when USCIS gives approval and get all happy...then go through what you go through at the NVC with all the forms and cheer and get all happy when they tell you your case is now complete...then its hurry up and wait again for a month or two while they get around to scheduling your interview...which I think could be backlogged due to a limited number of interview slots given by the embassy.....for whatever reason its driving us insane because there are no forms to fill out, nothing to do but WAIT.

Please let know where you stand in the process.

Best of luck to you....

Thanks...and have a wonderful day!!!
Deb star_smile.gif

Hey Deb,
My husband had his interview today and we were approved. Of course you know I am living in Jordan and we have filed DCF. This all took from February till now August. The hardest thing is getting the interview in Amman for the initial filing. Since you have gotten your approval I would bet your interview will be in approx 3 months. Your husband will be sent a packet to complete. He will need the family book(translated), Marriage certificate(translated), police record from GID, 2 passport photos within 30 days of the interview date, medical report, copy of his passport and the I-864. I will say one thing the Americans at the Embassy are great, I have had issues with the Jordanian women giving me a hard time. Thank God we are approved and soon I will set foot back in the USA.
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-13 04:52:00
Middle East and North AfricaK3 Interview in Amman Scheduled
QUOTE (esmatsgirl @ Aug 18 2008, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I too.....like Lulu...got a K3 interview at Amman this weekend...got an email from the Amman embassy to inform me of an interview on Nov 3 at 7:30am. kicking.gif

This is way far away (sort of) and I thought it would be sooner.....but the good part is I am feeling some relief because there is some closure in getting an actual date....

Still waiting on the I-130 CR1 interview...which was complete at NVC on June 26 and has been waiting for an interview to be scheduled since then.

The NVC got my approved K3 from USCIS on August 1....they transferred it over to the Amman embassy on August 5. By August 11 my interview was scheduled by the Amman embassy and a package was mailed to my home in the US (I have not received it yet). That was so fast...because all NVC had to do was turn it over to the embassy.

Now, even with a completed case on June 26, it is August 18 today and there is still no interview for the CR1 scheduled....we didn't make the list for August interviews...now I am waiting for them to complete their "once a month during the 2nd week of the month" scheduling of interviews. They are understaffed or there is some sort of bottleneck in the process somewhere when it comes to embassies that are on a different time schedule?? I don't know what it is. I thought maybe its because the Amman embassy is possibly smaller...they have limited capacity but if thats the case, why did they schedule me immediately for Nov 3? The NVC tells me that the Amman Embassy supplies them with a set amount of interview appointments each month....they work with what they give them. I guess they reserve the rest of the time back in Amman for interviews scheduled via their infopass system for all other types of visas for walk in people in Amman. They need to give more interview slots up for CR1 visas if this is the case.

I just called NVC and they told me they haven't finished scheduling for the month of September yet....they did the same thing last month. They told me to call back on Friday for a possible update to our case. If the CR1 doesn't get scheduled before Nov 3rd then the K3 interview appointment will be changed to CR1.

Its a "ways" away but at least we got a date to work with now. Our plans to get married here on the same day as we did in Jordan last year, October 29 are not going to be able to go forward....who would have known...it was going to take more than a year for him to be allowed to come and be with his wife.

Anyway...looking on the bright side...that year is almost through and now I can get excited!!! I am so happy my Sweetheart will be here to keep me warm this winter...and then for the rest of my life!! smile.gif heart.gif smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif heart.gif

Congrats on the interview star_smile.gif
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-18 10:16:00
Middle East and North Africaspices in arabic
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I know they are palestinian style parties there just like ew have our American style parties here. What I meant by Islamic style was where in prophet times, they had party and gave away some food to the poor. It was to be greatful or praising Allah. But you are right that they dont do it much nowadays for parties (except for eid as you said).
oh....big refugee camp:( Hm....well I would say I could "adopt" a family, but if word gets out that one family has sheep and the rest none? I dont want to be there to see the results!! I got to witness one of thsoe guys fighting over a seat on the bus of all things on our way out of Palestine. I video taped it because it was amusing. (I had to hide my camera though because the Israeli security had to come on and break up the fight). I did not know he was from a reugee camp though or what they were fighting about. My husband began talking to him and found out he was from a refugee camp in Lebanon and he was visitng his wife in Jordan and he had to go through Palestine for some reason to get out as he could not get on a plane and fly to JOrdan from Lebanon. But when my husband said he was from a refugee camp, then i felt bad about my "amusement":( My husband said the guy was stupid for fighting over a seat but I said dont you know, those people probably fight for a lot more than bus seats in their daily life so they don't know any other way. sad.gif It is sad when you think about it sad.gif


You are certainly encouraged to be charitable at any time of the year, and if you want to make a donation to the poor while you are in Palestine, there are many people there in great need. You might even consider making a cash contribution to one of the organizations.

But I want to clarify one thing -- people from refugee camps are individuals, just like anyone else. Not everyone from the camps are hooligans who "don't know any other way" than to fight over a bus seat. Sweeping generalizations are sad, too, as well as offensive.

"..Where ignorance is bliss tiss folly to be wise"..........
If this person is going to fly into Amman why not stop and buy spices in Jordan? They are a lot cheaper then buying and bringing from the USA.
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-25 09:52:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Proceduresvisa in hand
My husband has his visa 3 working days after visa interview.
Allah Akbar!!
jenmohFemaleJordan2008-08-18 03:08:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresAPPROROROROROROROVED
hi am mareid from usa citizen wife and i hav my permanet residant card for 2 yers and i been in usa for 3 monthe now and my wife she tured me bad and she ask me for divorce i wanna help whats it will happeind for me if she divorce me do i will stay in usa after 2yers can me hav my green card for 10yers or 5yers or i will lose it pleasss help me
mario2009MaleJordan2009-03-19 00:36:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Proceduresplz help me
Post Decision Activity
On September 12, 2012, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I130 IMMIGRANT PETITION FOR RELATIVE, FIANCE(E), OR ORPHAN. Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service ...besides i sent my sponsor's papers ..Now what is next please ..Can any one Help ..big thanks in advance :)

my sponsor sent out his papers already

btw i am k3 visa

big thanks in advance
isaandkathyMaleJordan2013-04-06 18:18:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Proceduresplz help me
Post Decision Activity
On September 12, 2012, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I130 IMMIGRANT PETITION FOR RELATIVE, FIANCE(E), OR ORPHAN. Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service ...besides i sent my sponsor's papers ..Now what is next please ..Can any one Help ..big thanks in advance :)

btw my sponsor has sent out his papers so plz what is next
isaandkathyMaleJordan2013-04-06 17:38:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresHelp Please !!!
I am in Jordan. I want to go to the USA with my fiancee and unfortunately she isnt making the most money as she was downsized at work and the economy isn't the best in the USA. Does she have to be the sponser on my application? Or can it be someone else? helpsmilie.gif
weezyMaleJordan2009-03-24 13:11:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresHelp Please !!!
: I am in Jordan. I want to go to the USA with my fiancee and unfortunately she isnt making the most money as she was downsized at work and the economy isn't the best in the USA. Does she have to be the sponser on my application? Or can it be someone else? helpsmilie.gif
weezyMaleJordan2009-03-24 13:08:00
Middle East and North AfricaIn Jordan!!!!!
bahbek!!
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-01-25 05:11:00
Middle East and North AfricaJust to say
sorry for that!
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-01-28 18:36:00
Middle East and North Africawondering
SAY YES FOR THAT!! AND GIVE 6 MONTHS OF WORKING 20 HOURS/DAY.... JUST SAY : I WILL MOVE TO JORDAN!! SAY THAT PLEASE, PLEASE...ILL TAKE U TO UMM QEES EVERYWEEK, AND I WILL MAKE GRILLS EVERYDAY FOR U IN OUR GARDEN... WHAT ELSE? I LOVE YOU SO MUCH HABIBITI
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-02-29 05:50:00
Middle East and North AfricaWish me luck
WELL good luck habibiti, i must be the firset says that
i love you
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-02-23 12:48:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow much do you really know about your MENA man?
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I AM READY TO TALK TO TAMMY HUSBAND IF SHE GAVE ME A PHONE NOMBER,,,, AND FOR EVERY1 I DID THAT TO WAHRANIA CUZ SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MOSQUES,,, AND I DONT SAY I AM WITH THAT GUY CUZ HE IS FROM MY COUNTRY!!! HE DID WRONG!! AND IF HE DIDNT LIKE USA THEN COME BACK TO UR FAMILY YA MAN!!! DONT WASTE THE WOMAN'S TIME AND UR TIME TOO... AND ITS BAD CHOICE TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME WAITING FOR PAPERS AND STUFF THEN DISAPPOINT UR WIFE AFTER ALL OF THAT!!

I AM READY TO TALK TO TAMMY HUSBAND IF SHE GAVE ME A PHONE NOMBER,,,, AND FOR EVERY1 I DID THAT TO WAHRANIA CUZ SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MOSQUES,,, AND I DONT SAY I AM WITH THAT GUY CUZ HE IS FROM MY COUNTRY!!! HE DID WRONG!! AND IF HE DIDNT LIKE USA THEN COME BACK TO UR FAMILY YA MAN!!! DONT WASTE THE WOMAN'S TIME AND UR TIME TOO... AND ITS BAD CHOICE TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME WAITING FOR PAPERS AND STUFF THEN DISAPPOINT UR WIFE AFTER ALL OF THAT!!

Its not about mosques....Its not about coffee shops..and it isnt about islam...He got here...he was nice to he is getting coached from other arabs about how to hurt her..You need to realise that this is not a reflection of you or online relationships...What this guy is doing...and what has been done to other women on the boards...look at just jackies posts who was hurt without reason after a 5 year marriage,left without goodbye and he plotted against her have become the norm over here.Deemabrouk...I agree I wish you would talk to him and tell him to go home to Jordan....He s going to put Tammy in the grave from depression and traumatise her kids...I wish Jordanians like you would discourage greencard fraud....I wish you would speak out against it.....Its against Islam and unfortunately,these men make it here and get coached by other arabs who have also done it how to succeed......You need to read all of just jackies post....then go back andcarefully read all of tammys posts...and decide if you would want your wifes sister put through this...greencard fraud hurts kids,american women and its illegal

I AM GONNA GO BACK AND SAY I AM SORRY FOR TAMMY SO MUCH,,, I FEEL SHAMEFUL OF MY COUNTRY BOYZ IF THEY DO THAT AND GAVES A GREAT BAD IDEA ABOUT US AND ABOUT OUR ISLAM... MY WIFE IS MY HONOR.. KEEPING IS KEEPING MY HONOR AND HER KIDS ARE MINE... MY WIFE HAS ONE KID ,, LOVELY 4 YO BOY... I AM 21 AND LOOKS YOUNGEST ON THIS WEBSITE... BUT MY LIFE4 EXPERINCE IS LIKE 81 YEARS OLD... CUZ I AM ON THIS LIFE ,, THE REAL LIFE SINCE I WAS 13,, WORKING AND MAKING MY LIFE... AND THANX PRETTY MUCH FOR MY DAD AND MOM ... AND FYI I FINISHED MY HIGH SCHOOL STUDIES ON MY OWN!! SO I AM MATURE ENOUGH TO APPERCITE EVERYTHING MY WIFE'S DO TO ME...
WHAT BETWEEN ME AND MY WIFE IS THE MARRAIGE CONTRACT!! WITENSSED BY CLOSE PPL OF MY FAMILY, MY DEAR UNCLE AND MY YOUNGER BROTHER,, I WILL EVER NEVER DISAPPOINT THEM TOO AND SAY: I LEFT MY WIFE,,, CUZ ALL OF MY FAMILY LOVES MY WIFE SO MUCH.,.. AND THEY KEEP TALKING GOOD THINGS ABOUT HER AS SHE WAS HERE YESTERDAY NOT 2 MONTHS AGO!!!
AND I WOULD MAKE ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP TAMMY... AND TALK TO HER HUSBAND.. AND I NEED TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER PERSON TOO TO KNOW WHAT HAPPEND FOR REAL!

Hayati, Waharania and Tammy
It is very clear how things get so complicated when we think that some people talking about a situation without knowing the cultural root for MENA men or in general Arabic Muslim men,
Tammy I totally understand your husband feeling and his reaction but lets be honest and stop a second, have you asked your self if you over reacted? did you ask your self if you missjudging your husband? I dont want to put all the blame on you or on him but am building my thought based on all your posts and other memebers posts,
Me as a Moroccan experiencing living in the US and now let me make something clear for you all,
Most of the women here think that because of them the MENA start to live (oh please)!!!
Most of you all think that we were in DARK untill we come to the US? OHHH wait lets stop a second and bring reality here.
to buy a chicken 6 IBs in Morocco is $ 2 here is over 20 and its frozen god knows when that chiken was killed and how!!!
even if you make 50 $ an hour it is not going to be enough living the way you want to live! so who have from you all a perfect Credit report 1 % ,2 %,
and another hurtful truth, American men they dont want women who have a bad credit right ???!!! some of you guys are very demanding, 60 % the are not looking for men because they need men, but they need help to survive, they need someone to count on!!! And here how the issues get devolopped before the EAD arrives!!! Am I making sense???!!! Yes I know the truth hurt and if somebody want to attack me am ready. Am here to make a stop to putting your men down, I'm here to tell you all, be proud of your hubbies so they can be proud of you, make them your king because they already made you their queens, make them feel lucky that they have you, GreenCard forget about it America is still making lottery for people to win GreenCard so dont comapre your self as a lottery game, its just a word that start destroying marriages, by jumping from story to another.
What a racist.

Hyatti, Thank You for being a good Arabian ( al moslimon Ikhwa) and no need for you to collect 1000 person to suspend Waharnia account, I think she got the message. God bless you and your marriage.

Dear Tammy, If you dont want your husband anymore please let me talk to him to provide for him all what he need untill he leave to go back to his dearest country.
Just a Reminder: Maybe he didnt want to help you wth the money he got because he wanted to buy cigarette and not feel like a baby askig to buy a candy. ( ........... ).
And one more things to Correct everyone >>>> You all dont know What is happening between the two of them, she can work it out for her self. Do not talk like your marriage is so perfect one day you will be in the same position and you will be hoping to hear just some good advices to make your marriage work.

WAHRANIA : I have nothing against you but if you have a little knowledge about Islam you will know the age doesn't matter as long as it is based on respecting and caring and loving each other. As the messenger mohammed married Khadija that she was in her 40's and he was in 20's.
I do feel really sorry for your previous marriages and I hope this marriage last as long as you want it. Wish you all MENA wives all the luck in your marriage and full of happiness.
incha allah good.gif

man i never been friendly with anyone... lol... but thanx ya brother for the support..
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-18 10:48:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow much do you really know about your MENA man?
QUOTE (wahrania @ Mar 17 2008, 08:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (HAYATI-L @ Mar 17 2008, 11:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I AM READY TO TALK TO TAMMY HUSBAND IF SHE GAVE ME A PHONE NOMBER,,,, AND FOR EVERY1 I DID THAT TO WAHRANIA CUZ SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MOSQUES,,, AND I DONT SAY I AM WITH THAT GUY CUZ HE IS FROM MY COUNTRY!!! HE DID WRONG!! AND IF HE DIDNT LIKE USA THEN COME BACK TO UR FAMILY YA MAN!!! DONT WASTE THE WOMAN'S TIME AND UR TIME TOO... AND ITS BAD CHOICE TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME WAITING FOR PAPERS AND STUFF THEN DISAPPOINT UR WIFE AFTER ALL OF THAT!!

I AM READY TO TALK TO TAMMY HUSBAND IF SHE GAVE ME A PHONE NOMBER,,,, AND FOR EVERY1 I DID THAT TO WAHRANIA CUZ SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MOSQUES,,, AND I DONT SAY I AM WITH THAT GUY CUZ HE IS FROM MY COUNTRY!!! HE DID WRONG!! AND IF HE DIDNT LIKE USA THEN COME BACK TO UR FAMILY YA MAN!!! DONT WASTE THE WOMAN'S TIME AND UR TIME TOO... AND ITS BAD CHOICE TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME WAITING FOR PAPERS AND STUFF THEN DISAPPOINT UR WIFE AFTER ALL OF THAT!!

Its not about mosques....Its not about coffee shops..and it isnt about islam...He got here...he was nice to he is getting coached from other arabs about how to hurt her..You need to realise that this is not a reflection of you or online relationships...What this guy is doing...and what has been done to other women on the boards...look at just jackies posts who was hurt without reason after a 5 year marriage,left without goodbye and he plotted against her have become the norm over here.Deemabrouk...I agree I wish you would talk to him and tell him to go home to Jordan....He s going to put Tammy in the grave from depression and traumatise her kids...I wish Jordanians like you would discourage greencard fraud....I wish you would speak out against it.....Its against Islam and unfortunately,these men make it here and get coached by other arabs who have also done it how to succeed......You need to read all of just jackies post....then go back andcarefully read all of tammys posts...and decide if you would want your wifes sister put through this...greencard fraud hurts kids,american women and its illegal

I AM GONNA GO BACK AND SAY I AM SORRY FOR TAMMY SO MUCH,,, I FEEL SHAMEFUL OF MY COUNTRY BOYZ IF THEY DO THAT AND GAVES A GREAT BAD IDEA ABOUT US AND ABOUT OUR ISLAM... MY WIFE IS MY HONOR.. KEEPING IS KEEPING MY HONOR AND HER KIDS ARE MINE... MY WIFE HAS ONE KID ,, LOVELY 4 YO BOY... I AM 21 AND LOOKS YOUNGEST ON THIS WEBSITE... BUT MY LIFE4 EXPERINCE IS LIKE 81 YEARS OLD... CUZ I AM ON THIS LIFE ,, THE REAL LIFE SINCE I WAS 13,, WORKING AND MAKING MY LIFE... AND THANX PRETTY MUCH FOR MY DAD AND MOM ... AND FYI I FINISHED MY HIGH SCHOOL STUDIES ON MY OWN!! SO I AM MATURE ENOUGH TO APPERCITE EVERYTHING MY WIFE'S DO TO ME...
WHAT BETWEEN ME AND MY WIFE IS THE MARRAIGE CONTRACT!! WITENSSED BY CLOSE PPL OF MY FAMILY, MY DEAR UNCLE AND MY YOUNGER BROTHER,, I WILL EVER NEVER DISAPPOINT THEM TOO AND SAY: I LEFT MY WIFE,,, CUZ ALL OF MY FAMILY LOVES MY WIFE SO MUCH.,.. AND THEY KEEP TALKING GOOD THINGS ABOUT HER AS SHE WAS HERE YESTERDAY NOT 2 MONTHS AGO!!!
AND I WOULD MAKE ANYTHING I CAN DO TO HELP TAMMY... AND TALK TO HER HUSBAND.. AND I NEED TO HEAR FROM THE OTHER PERSON TOO TO KNOW WHAT HAPPEND FOR REAL!
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-17 11:21:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow much do you really know about your MENA man?
I AM READY TO TALK TO TAMMY HUSBAND IF SHE GAVE ME A PHONE NOMBER,,,, AND FOR EVERY1 I DID THAT TO WAHRANIA CUZ SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MOSQUES,,, AND I DONT SAY I AM WITH THAT GUY CUZ HE IS FROM MY COUNTRY!!! HE DID WRONG!! AND IF HE DIDNT LIKE USA THEN COME BACK TO UR FAMILY YA MAN!!! DONT WASTE THE WOMAN'S TIME AND UR TIME TOO... AND ITS BAD CHOICE TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME WAITING FOR PAPERS AND STUFF THEN DISAPPOINT UR WIFE AFTER ALL OF THAT!!

I AM READY TO TALK TO TAMMY HUSBAND IF SHE GAVE ME A PHONE NOMBER,,,, AND FOR EVERY1 I DID THAT TO WAHRANIA CUZ SHE STARTED TALKING ABOUT MOSQUES,,, AND I DONT SAY I AM WITH THAT GUY CUZ HE IS FROM MY COUNTRY!!! HE DID WRONG!! AND IF HE DIDNT LIKE USA THEN COME BACK TO UR FAMILY YA MAN!!! DONT WASTE THE WOMAN'S TIME AND UR TIME TOO... AND ITS BAD CHOICE TO SPEND ALL THAT TIME WAITING FOR PAPERS AND STUFF THEN DISAPPOINT UR WIFE AFTER ALL OF THAT!!
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-17 10:57:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow much do you really know about your MENA man?
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Hi Tammy,
First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.
My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.
If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.
How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?
Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?
Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.
Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.
Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.
Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:
what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.
And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.
I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.
WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.
And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.
Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]
And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.
MKK
written by a moroccan about americans


Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..
Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha
i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it
yzd

for your information hayati...this is a post from a moroccan website coaching moroccan men from a moroccan girl about why its ok to screw over american women for papers....Your little ####### countryman is hurting this american woman and she doesnt deserve it...we all know you love your wife....its very evident...look at your pics....Im sure youwont spend all your time chatting with other women and not helping her...This sharmoot is hurting her....no one thinks all mena men do this....And if my husband leaves me in 2 months he better read koran because if i catch him doing one of these things...wallahi....i will walk pregnant down the street and scream like a big jinniya...wallahi wallahi wallahi .............I see this sharmoot hurt someone soft like tammy.....and wallahi he will not see the sunshine in his life..........I am with an ALgerian.....and if he acts like a sharmoot and a scmatta...wallahi you dont see the hell I will do.........He loves me and he knows I am a big magnouna......

DUH!!! AND A VERY DIRTY TONGUE U HAVE,.,, HE IS SO LUCKY rofl.gif
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-17 10:50:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow much do you really know about your MENA man?
QUOTE (wahrania @ Mar 17 2008, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (HAYATI-L @ Mar 17 2008, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wahrania @ Mar 16 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Tammy,
First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.
My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.
If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.
How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?
Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?
Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.
Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.
Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.
Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:
what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.
And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.
I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.
WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.
And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.
Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]
And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.
MKK
written by a moroccan about americans


Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..
Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha
i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it
yzd

You dont get it..This isnt about you...You are close in age to your wife..You are having sex with her (I hope so)This isnt about you so butt out...You are interfering in something you know nothing about.She is 48 he is in his early 30s.He is chatting with other wome ,looking at porn and hasnt given her money and wont sleep with her....You need to stay out of this....You have no idea about what is going on and its not all mena men...

why ur talking to me as i am a baby? huh? and who are u to say i have sex with my wife or not!! this is none of ur bussnies,,, ur the worset person ever on this website FYI.. and ill start collecting 1000 signtures to delte u from this website...
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-17 10:43:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow much do you really know about your MENA man?
QUOTE (wahrania @ Mar 16 2008, 10:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Tammy,
First of all, I'm sorry about waht happening to you, I know you desereve the best as I also know everyone does.
My advise to you as MENA ( Moroccan Man), Please don't listen to anyone from VJ telling you what to do, nobody knows your man better than you, My wife showed me this thread and I was curious to ask WAHRANIA.
If you had such a bad experience with MENA before, why did you have the attention to marry another man from MENA?.
How easy for you to make conclusions (bad conclusions) ?
Do you consider your self helping to build a relationship or help destroy it?
Please don't take it as a personnal attacks.
Am just trying here to make my point of view about VJs Threads. VJ can help you with Visa process and AOS but it can destroy your marriage as well if we listen to the negatives replies.
Tammy I know you a strong woman and I know the baby came for a reason and I know you guys met each for a reason.
Your husband need to feel that your close to him in this time more than ever talk to him about how he feels like:
what makes him feel this way? is he ready to be a father or not ? see a counseling? make a list of what you need him to help with? talk about the bills , let him share responsabilities.
And most of all that, make him feel that he is a good provider and a man make him feel that you and your family count on him, I'm sure things will make sense after you guys will talk to each other.
I know it is not easy but with baby coming it is worth a try.
WAHRANIA!!! I'm sorry to tell you this, after reading all your posts There is something wrong that I wish you can get some help to fix it otherwise you will be dumped sometimes soon.
And again don't take it as a personnal attacks.

Tammy:

I agree not all the men are good and also we have to agree that not all the women are good as well, we make mistakes. Nobody have a perfect relationship.
Don't make any decsion to harm you marriage, ( think about your angel).

[ I have had the same issues with my wife and now we are doing good together with counseling help]
And if you want to know all about it please E-mail me and I will let you talk to my wife she can also show you the thread how bad they talked about me.

Wish you all the best.
MKK
written by a moroccan about americans


Tberguat 21 November 2005 11:57 21 November 2005 11:57

If you see yourself you want to settle in this country and have a future here, I agree in marrying a US citizen just for green card, and suffer emotionally for couple years and secure your future..., things these days are only getting harder for the illigal immigrants, they even been called terrorists , because the paths to legalize yourself here are so long and uncertain. If your employer want to sponsor you it will take years and years I think between 7 to 10yrs and you have to stuck with that same employer for years with low pay and sometimes no benifits. If you have a US citizen child, he has to be 21yrs old before he/she can apply for you, so the only way is marriage!!

I remember back in the early nineties, the new comers had to find the least attractive woman in the city, all the 200lbs and up were married to Moroccan men, happy with their little toys just arrived from back home (skhoun) that he tells her horror stories about what had happened to him back home and how miserable he was back in Morocco so she'll love him and feel sorry for him and do all possible way for him not to get deported, and she will never dare to think visiting Morocco with him!! They use to call the period of their marriage "passer le service millitaire" ... If they see an ugly, old fat lady (shayta 3la 7babha) she will be perfect for lwri9at.

So, the only way to build a future here and be one of the crowd, go ahead do it, the only thing is the ugly, fat, old ladies 3a9o ..
Berguag: 31 | Fin saken daba? Wh

this is what do u think ? most of usa.. we r married for green cards,, as money on the streets in usa and waits some1 to collect,, most of ur thots are wrong WAHRANIA.. yes u started talking about mosques,,, then u said future is only in usa,, then u said guys started marrying fat old ugly ladies to get grren card... and those guys wont take those wives back to thier countries,, ur wrong,.... and consider this as attack... so u said all of mena men? why ur back to marry another mena man? did u met ALL of american women who married MENA men to say that? did you? ia m really so sorry for ur man ... and i am sure he wont spend more than 2 months with u before he leaves you!! haha ha
i am MENA man,, and i am living in jordan,, my daily wish is my wife to come in live with me in my country... u said the MENA culture is opposite of urs? what kind of opposite? u wanna go every weekend to a nite club get drunk and dance till morn? sure ur husband wont say yes!! even he is american,,, ur making big mistakes and i advice you to delete urself from this website cuz ur attacking many people and u mean it
yzd
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-17 10:33:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow much do you really know about your MENA man?
QUOTE (wahrania @ Mar 15 2008, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (tammy sue kay @ Mar 15 2008, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay, so we all love our MENA men, but what do we know about him? I mean, come one, I can be anyone you want me to be online, but how much will I follow thru with when you meet me in the real? So, online he seems to be kind, loving, funny, deep, romantic, everything you want in a man, right?
But, how much of it is really "him"?
In my experience it has been not much at all.
Soon after my hubby arrived here, eveything was sunlight and roses, perfect.
Then, two weeks later, he moved into the spare bedroom.
I didn't make much of it at first, we still had our "nightly visits" and he said it was because my kids kept him from sleeping. I kinda like having the bed and the blankets to my self, so I didn't protest to much.
Then, the night visits became few and far between, and for the past two months have been non existant.
He kept saying he needed to find work so he could help me and his family also. Okay, I agree he should help his family, as long as ours is taken care of. But, he landed a small temporary job for cash. Helping out a friend of mine with snow removal, on a short term basis. Guess what? He has hung onto every penny of that money except to buy a few packs of cigarettes for himself. I had to use my tax refund to buy food for the house, all the while he is hanging onto his money. He brought no money with him when he came, I have paid for everthing all of this time.
I know, you have heard this story before, and I am not out for sympathy, or "I told you so". Yeah, I knew the risks I was taking when I got into this relationship for the most part. Of course I was sure that he loved me, I loved him, our lives would be perfect. Same old story. For a while I was happy, for a while we lived as friends, now the AOS has been filed and he is waiting for his work permit. I am hoping that when he get's his work permit he will remove himself from my house and I can get my life back to normal. I kinda feel sorry for him and won't throw him out with no where to go and no way to support himself, that's just me.
I guess the point I am trying to make is this: Make sure, before you sign the first paper, before you marry, before you do anything, that you really KNOW the person. Divorce is hard at best, but when you add all the other things to it, the waiting, the money, the turmoil, it's really devastating.

he's probably met other arabs coaching him at the mosque..........................im so sorry tammy.......you need to throw him out.....he doesnt deserve papers

hey!! FYI: what he did is against our religion! and that wrong,,, dont think mosques learn bad things ever never,,,and in our religion as our great prophet said: firset poeple to get ur good things are ur house poeple!! and my house poeple are my wife and kids,, her's or mine!! and the good things are: good caring and treatment and sepnding money on!!
thank you
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-16 12:24:00
Middle East and North AfricaSpouse won't forgive & Forget
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QUOTE (Y_habibitk @ Mar 16 2008, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (morocco4ever @ Mar 14 2008, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are a lot of opinions going on here, and each one has value. The only thing is that it is also conflicting.

First off, his culture does rule that a woman obeys her husband. Second, if you grew up here then you don't have the same culture, even though this is how you were brought up. In a sort, you are mixed, and he doesn't understand it.

I know the first time my husband saw me on the webcam hug a guest that was male he totally flipped out. He forbid me to do that to anyone again. Of course I understand his culture, and I also know that a hug is nothing more than a greeting in the US. Of course I agreed, knowing full well that when he got here he would see where I am coming from. I also told him that he must repsect me and do the same with other women. He agreed. So then his friend is married to a British girl, and one visit her mother came. We all spent time together. And when she left she gave him a hug. I could see the look of shock on his face, and he was unsure how to handle it. Of course this didn't really upset me, but I, of course, told him that he broke his promise to me. He said "what should I have done, pushed her away?" Exactly I said, that is exactly how I feel when a friend hugs me. It will never change our love for each other. We no longer have this issue between us.

Your situation is different, he hates his cousin. Now knowing Arabic men I know the worst thing you can do is to tell him no, you will do what you want. In my view, the best way to deal with this is to tell him you love him, respect him, and care only about him. Tell him that if he wants you to smack him you will. This should calm him down enough to be reasonable. Later you can ask him questions about it. Like, "sweetheart, when I smack him do you think it will upset your mother/father?" Will this cause any family problems? Now if he is reasonable he will realize that this is just crazy.

Now, and you must really think about this. If this jealousy does continue, or gets worse, there is a deeper issue. There does come a time when you have to say enough is enough. Hopefully he will see the silliness of his jealousy, but if not you really need to think twice about the entire relationship.

Don't judge the entire relationship on this isolated incident of course. Give it some time, gentleness, and understanding. Hopefully he will gain trust.

I hope my suggestions help.


I think this is good sound advice. Im sure the OP appreciates you sharing a similar experience. smile.gif

Its hard for someone who has never exerienced "our" culture to understand how you could embrace a "strange man". The fact that this cousin is an enemy is like a futher blow to his honor. Im sure the more you reiterate that you meant no harm and would never do anything to dishonor or embarress him, the more he'll chill out. There is a point however that he either drops it and moves on or he can no longer hold it over your head.. its not fair.
It sounds like you have already had some good advise.
As far as jealousy goes with our guys? Well, I personally think its a little different than when an american/western guy is crazy jealous.. why? this is their culture. Its mostly not some insane power/control thing. Plain and simple.. no man is supposed to touch another's wife (handshakes are ok I guess smile.gif ). period. just my opinion and observation.
I dont know about your guys, but mine will not budge on this and I dont think he will accept it once he gets here either.
it doesnt bother me at all.. i drifted away from my male friends years ago...

anyway, good luck with the situation.

Lisa

yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-18 15:46:00
Middle East and North AfricaSpouse won't forgive & Forget
QUOTE (sarahaziz @ Mar 15 2008, 03:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He wants me to smack Khalid unsure.gif blush.gif

i am with that idea lol !!! the guy wants to show his cousin that his wife isnt intersted in that at all.. and she dont even gave u any attention,,, if i was in ur place the best idea to solve the whole proplem is to ask ur husband what to do and let him forget that,, if his solution is suitbale for u then do it... and its so bad from ur husband couzin to do that,, like hey i can share ur wife with u,, that so shameful and bad.. i am very jealous man and when my wife was here none of my friend looked at her in the eye.. and ask her about that.. u know why? not cuz they fear me.. but they already knows its so bad to that.. and if one of my friends/couzins did something like that i would be so angry .. and that will turn into real fight... i cannt touch any other women face.. how i would do it and her husband beside her!!! the guy is really angry and jealous and all of that i from his love to u... so do as i told u and ask him what shall u do to make him forget it...
thanx
yzd
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-18 15:30:00
Middle East and North AfricaHAPPY THURSDAY MENA!!!!
QUOTE (dillydally @ Mar 20 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
HAPPY THURSDAY to all!!! kicking.gif

Although today is the day the war in Iraq started (God bless all those fighting and those with families involved, and everyone overseas)...it is also a day of celebration:

today marks some important events:

1) FIRST DAY OF SPRING... let's start the spring cleaning!!! smile.gif

2) Moulid el Nabi (PBUH)... the day that Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was born smile.gif

3) Nooroz - The Iranian New Year smile.gif (haha not that I celebrate it but thought I would mention it)

4)...and YAY for turning one year older (I sound like a little child)...haha... gotta love birthdays smile.gif

so celebrate and have a great day whichever one of these does pertain to you...or if none do we can have a party together (as soon as I am done with classes...haha) tongue.gif

Take care everyone smile.gif

and mothers day is tommrow, i wish u great day best women in my life : my grandma , my mom, my aunt sabah and my great gorgoues wife lisa!! love you all
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-20 15:09:00
Middle East and North AfricaA great post by SARAAZIZ
QUOTE (wife_of_mahmoud @ Mar 20 2008, 06:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Y_habibitk @ Mar 19 2008, 07:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (HAYATI-L @ Mar 19 2008, 11:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
can i be modern in sleeping with girls out of marraige or drink or let other guys put hands on my wife?

No you may not! wink.gif


OMG I read that totally wrong -- I thought he said "can he be modern WITHOUT doing those things."

LOL oops blush.gif laughing.gif

i am just making fun of this MODERN concept,,, aww how modern he is!! look i can kiss his wife and he is luaghing,,, that very modern guy.. aww he drinks scotish... i like modern guys,,, he is so modern... hmmm? what other modern things he is doin,,,? oh he slept with 4 girls last week? thats pretty modern,,, !!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.. this is what ment,, ( and i am not smiling anymore at this bullsh*t) of modern)
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-20 11:32:00
Middle East and North AfricaA great post by SARAAZIZ
QUOTE (wahrania @ Mar 18 2008, 01:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Women are easily moved like leaves in the wind by other peoples words. Men are not. Woman tend to get weak in love when men can usually maintain themselves. With that being said I think the negative experiences on the board have reflected on how women take their men now and very cautiously. I think most womens spouses here don't read what's written on here or anywhere on the net or in person to actually worry about their women as women worry about men. Men usually automatically trust their women not to do something horrible to them.

Whoever believes "Generalizations about arab men" CANNOT be true I think you're living in some kind of dream or something? There's just about 3 categories ARAB men fall into.

Religious & Serious and/OR controlling (won't accept a women with kids from previous marriage, wife has to be virgin before marriage, no gfs, will never accept modern style of living, shy,)
Laid back yet knows his respect and religion (shy,previous gfs but virgin bc of his religious beliefs, open to any culture and will learn it such as American culture, talks about other womens beauty with gf/wife),
Modernized/westernized (will drink,party,previous gfs, loves and lives in american culture, accepts wife to have male friends).


Some people might think I'm wrong and I don't know anything but I've grown up with all kinds of arab men. You can argue until you turn blue but it's still a real fact. Any other arab women on this board will off hand agree with me Arab men will speak more freely to us than someone from a different background .(American women who think they are arab don't count) Whatever bad intentions he has for an american/british or whatever woman he won't openly discuss that with her as he would with a woman from his own country or his culture. They are more open to speak bad motives with someone in the same culture vs telling another american hey im just going to use this american woman for a GC. That's just not realistic for a woman to ask are you using me or would you use me if i was another woman? and the man replying yes if you were another woman I'd use you but you are you so I loovveee you. I'm pretty sure that's joked (let me go marry a woman for a GC ) around alot with arabs among themselves even if they'd never consider using an american/french/austrailian citizen for citizenship. Not all fingers on the hand are same that is such a typical answer from all arabs. Just because a man says a typical line doesn't mean you don't have to worry about him. NOBODY considers them same to anybody else in this world. I don't consider myself same to any woman in this life but men can look at me and categorize me in whatever I fit in. There is a difference in personality when Arab men marry their own vs American. It's the same as American men marrying arab women. There's a difference in personality dealing with another culture.

Brother maybe you might not be bad but you are Aware there are many many men who use women from your country that's a fact you can never push off.

i am so sorry for this concept about modern guys!!! modern guys drink, modern guys forget their honor and let strange men kiss and hug their wives!!! thats really shameful... if civilaztion is this i dont want it... i cannt understand if i have aprincple means i am controlling and kinda bad!!! help me people plz... can i be modern in sleeping with girls out of marraige or drink or let other guys put hands on my wife?
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-19 11:41:00
Middle East and North Africapost traumatic green card disorder
QUOTE (wahrania @ Mar 17 2008, 11:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (moody @ Mar 17 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I hope all who commit this don't mind karma biting them in the azz. I wonder if they would enjoy this type of thing happening to their sisters, daughters or mothers. It's unfathomable selfishness if you ask me.

well for me when I hear my friend cry about what her husband did to her (and her 2 kids are trapped in Tunisia now)and he gloats and terrorises her I just wanna choke him...she made his papers,paid all his fees and he took her 5 year old and 2 year old to Tunis and she cant legally take them out and she did everything for him and he laughs at her...I want to do horrible things to him....

QUOTE (Jenn! @ Mar 17 2008, 03:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Deep breaths, Wahrania! laughing.gif

I am having tawanda syndrome

is that for real!! this is insanity!!!
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-21 11:36:00
Middle East and North Africapost traumatic green card disorder
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Another consequence is, because of people like that, foreign spouses/fiance(e)s are usually thought to be using the USC until they can prove otherwise.

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Saludos,
Caro


Ya!! It's a sad state of affairs. This stereotype has developed over MANY years and will be very hard to deconstruct.
What would really interest me is to have cold hard figures of how many marriages end because the relationship didnt work, and how many end because the person got what they wanted and left. Not some concocted/opinionated figures.. but TRUE facts.
Its a very easy out to say "HE/SHE used me!!"
anyway....

The true hard facts are why there are hellish aps,221s and marriage fraud units at ICE.Your situation is a real love story but many are not,so much so that embassies such as Egypt have put advisories out about marriage fraud.....10 years ago there wasnt a string of 221d petitions out of Casa and Cairo because the internet didnt exist as it does today...The k1 was an easy process.The fact that obtaining visa has become a horrible procees is a new one....9 11 contributed to alot...adam walsh to more...and although your marriage is real....many are not and the embassies flush alot of the fake marrriages and engagements out...catching legit marriages in the crossfire....Its not as much a stereotype but JFK airport got to the point in the late 90s to stop royal air maroc planes and ask the wives to come pick up their husbands and would make mass arrests..Jordan doesnt have the level of immigrant visas that a country like Morocco or Egypt has so you wont see the level of fraud nor do I believe is Ammans consulate as tough as lets say Casa or Cairo with year long aps....The people with the truest picture are ICE,Homeland Security who investigates marriages when they naturalise(comparing welfare and tax records...some people like an Algerian friend of mine are facing deportation for marriage fraud 5 years after adjusting status..)Just because you personally have not been affected,there are marriage fraud units outwhere I live making arrests and home visits daily........Hundreds of arabs right now sit in florida s ice units from everything from marriage fraud to visa overstay and the uscis pays very careful attention to statistics and USC complaints...thats why some consulates are harder to get through than others....Its a sad hard reality reflected in mena processing times (not just terrorism makes them hold these files....its also repeat reports of marriage fraud and the victimization of USCs


I DO understand that this happens VERY often, I am just curious as to HOW often it happens... ALOT of the proven fraud is commited by BOTH parties.
I told an EX friend of mine that I was traveling to Jordan to meet habibi.... he said straight up to me "I can find you someone who will pay you to marry him and get a greencard" ( he has lots of family in Jordan) blink.gif
I was completely shocked!!! Not that I didnt think this went on, but this guy..whom I thought would say something like congrats! Went into this 20 minute long speech about how he could find me some guy to marry and if it worked out.. fine, if not Id have my money anyway! "You can live together, or he can pay for your rent wherever you want to live"
I said I wanted to marry for love, not fraud and money!!!!
Needless to say this guy is not my friend any longer. and now my husband wants to give him the biggest dadora hee hee

Im not saying all this because I was lucky enough to find true love 6500 miles away... I am just curious.. my mind works well with hard figures, what can I say. I try not to personalize too much
So, maybe Ill preform my own study.. it will take many years and extensive travel. lol I'll publish the results when Im done ha ha ha
Lisa
Lisa

ta da!! now u understand me very good habibiti!! lol... and fyi ya sweetheart.. it will be more than brutal headbutt.. it will contain many kinds or arabic kicking.. using belt and stones..lol!!! bahbek kteer
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-19 11:25:00
Middle East and North AfricaTO MENA MEN!
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I'm sorry, but my husband doesn't fit any of the 3 pigeonholes. He's such a square peg.

What to dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ?????????



LMAO rofl.gif rofl.gif

www.myspace.com/mejwez that our myspace page,, all mejwez and crazy dabkeh
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-21 06:33:00
Middle East and North AfricaTO MENA MEN!
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Wow, the OP starts a thread intending to defend Arab men against stereotypes, and spread the love, but you and wahrania can't resist not only stereotyping them further, but then announcing that anyone who disagrees with you not only has no odea what they are talking about, but you slam Arab women who don't fit your idea of what an authentic Arab woman is like (of course, they would have to fit your stereotypes and agree with you to be authentic).

You two have some real insecurities that not only make me wonder why you chose Arab men, but why you constantly need to advertise your narrow biases on pretty much any thread you post on. It's clear to me who the ignorant ones are.


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Women are easily moved like leaves in the wind by other peoples words. Men are not. Woman tend to get weak in love when men can usually maintain themselves. With that being said I think the negative experiences on the board have reflected on how women take their men now and very cautiously. I think most womens spouses here don't read what's written on here or anywhere on the net or in person to actually worry about their women as women worry about men. Men usually automatically trust their women not to do something horrible to them.

Whoever believes "Generalizations about arab men" CANNOT be true I think you're living in some kind of dream or something? There's just about 3 categories ARAB men fall into.

Religious & Serious and/OR controlling (won't accept a women with kids from previous marriage, wife has to be virgin before marriage, no gfs, will never accept modern style of living, shy,)
Laid back yet knows his respect and religion (shy,previous gfs but virgin bc of his religious beliefs, open to any culture and will learn it such as American culture, talks about other womens beauty with gf/wife),
Modernized/westernized (will drink,party,previous gfs, loves and lives in american culture, accepts wife to have male friends).


Some people might think I'm wrong and I don't know anything but I've grown up with all kinds of arab men. You can argue until you turn blue but it's still a real fact. Any other arab women on this board will off hand agree with me Arab men will speak more freely to us than someone from a different background .(American women who think they are arab don't count) Whatever bad intentions he has for an american/british or whatever woman he won't openly discuss that with her as he would with a woman from his own country or his culture. They are more open to speak bad motives with someone in the same culture vs telling another american hey im just going to use this american woman for a GC. That's just not realistic for a woman to ask are you using me or would you use me if i was another woman? and the man replying yes if you were another woman I'd use you but you are you so I loovveee you. I'm pretty sure that's joked (let me go marry a woman for a GC ) around alot with arabs among themselves even if they'd never consider using an american/french/austrailian citizen for citizenship. Not all fingers on the hand are same that is such a typical answer from all arabs. Just because a man says a typical line doesn't mean you don't have to worry about him. NOBODY considers them same to anybody else in this world. I don't consider myself same to any woman in this life but men can look at me and categorize me in whatever I fit in. There is a difference in personality when Arab men marry their own vs American. It's the same as American men marrying arab women. There's a difference in personality dealing with another culture.

Brother maybe you might not be bad but you are Aware there are many many men who use women from your country that's a fact you can never push off.




I think you should have read that first maybe. It meant there's too much negativity on this board and their husbands don't usually read the boards so they don't have to worry about their women. But women are really paying attention to the negativity on the boards and that's not healthy for them to read something online and view their husbands in that way if another member had a bad experience. I didn't post that to hurt anybody or offend them. And I also say all men are not bad but when wahrania said there ARE guys like that out there yeah it's true. I don't agree 100% with her but I do believe some men have bad intentions but those can also be altered. If you really think about it pretty much any man can fall into those categories. I'm sure everyone here considers their spouse to be an *angel* or something but I think men are men and how the wife leads him in life he will follow that example. Some women here DO worry if their spouses are using them and I dont think if you just ask the man & he will tell you "Yes I'm using you". I don't think men can come out like that and speak their motives. I was pointing out the old saying "all fingers on the hand aren't same". and I believe not ALL but majority of the time an Arab who's looking for GC benefits he won't explain to another American woman yeah I'm looking to use another woman like you. He will explain to a woman from his same culture I've been looking for an american to marry so I can stay in america or come to america. It's not the title of all arab men or personality of them but there's a handful of them. If you disagree with me that's fine but to point out I have personal insecurities it's extremely rude as I don't know you and I've never personally aimed at you or anyone else besides wahrania because "i wont reply to algerian tests to prove im algerian". If you really consider my motives to my posts against the men who ARE bad, why would I come online to bash arab men and american women marrying them? I have a life rather than to come online and break marriages or categorize men as you are thinking about me. I'm here solely to update my timelines and ask Visa questions, help other people out. If I see someone in trouble I'll definitely help them with advice I've only experienced or seen face to face.

My husband who is Algerian is my best friend...we cry together...we took my little girl to the hospital together...I am having his baby....He is the best thing that ever happened to me..He knows how badly I was hurt..he's not perfect...we argue..I cry...I laugh...we fight...but I love him..I love him like the air...I am hungry for his touch..I am grieving..I almost died 2 months ago.....All I have in life to give him is my little family,my heart and a greencard...If my life can alter his....if this baby gives him back the pain of his dad dying as a child and his mom being sick all the time...if my body can carry joy to his heart...and I can be with him on his first trip to WDW...or the first time he sees a dolphin...then let my birth as a us citizen carry love to this man who has given me back the will to live after another arab took my life away from me and shattered all my dreams

I love him...I need him....I cannot live without him

thank you so much for this wharaina... and i hope the best for u and ur husband togather inshallah.. loving and chershing eachother

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It was nice to read a post started by an MENA man expressing his love for his American wife and encouraging others to follow suit. I am not MENA nor a man but read this forum every now and again as I do find it fascinating to try and appreciate the cultural differences individuals from MENA countries face coming to the US, and seeing how they and their spouses deal with these challenges. So, thank you HAYATI for giving a voice to the other half of the equation. It was nice to read.

yw
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-18 15:45:00
Middle East and North AfricaTO MENA MEN!
thanx for every1 who posted and discussed this.. and thanx tammy for her post.. u will be better inshallah and evrything will be fine... and thanx for my sweetheart lisa so much,,, and bahbek ya omri
yzd
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-18 10:29:00
Middle East and North AfricaTO MENA MEN!
QUOTE (sereia @ Mar 17 2008, 08:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
get used to people being suspicious of your intentions! it is going to happen. don't get so upset so quickly like you have here. and you should care more about your wife's family thinking you are for real than anyone else!

did that exlpain it, jenn? lol

THANKS,,, WELL MY WIFE'S FAMILY HAD A GOOD IDEA ABOUT ME.. AND I KEEP IN TOUCH WITH THEM.. AND MY BIG FAMLIY DO TOO,, I HAVE 6 AUNTS AND MY MOM TOO.. THET EXCHANGE TXTS ... .. MY WIFE HAS A VERY GREAT BROTHER.. AND I LIKE HIM AS A BROTHER OF MINE .
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-17 11:12:00
Middle East and North AfricaTO MENA MEN!
QUOTE (Jenn! @ Mar 17 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would say that a great number of the people that you encounter will be suspicious of your relationship solely based on stereotypes...you will save yourself much trouble by getting used to that now.

Hopefully those who are important to you will understand your true intentions. Those are the people you should be concerned about.

I DONT UNDERSTAND!! EXPLAIN MORE!~
yaziedandlisaMaleJordan2008-03-17 11:02:00