Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Can K1 be denied?	read the guides above, all of the requirments are there...you should get familiar with those guides.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-25 15:17:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Can K1 be denied?	The K1 can be denied...if USCIS feels its worth a denial. Not meeting the requirments is one reason.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-25 13:24:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	k-1 help	QUOTE (Natty Bumppo @ Feb 25 2009, 01:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> why does this thread remind me of someone asking for my bank account number to help them "save" money?	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-25 00:30:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	k-1 help	If you can get a co-sponsor you should be ok.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-24 10:42:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS, you win...sort of...and a question about canceling the K-1	QUOTE (Damian P @ Nov 13 2008, 08:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Nov 12 2008, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> calm down, did you forget your meds? Calm down!!??? Yeah, says you!!!! I'm sure Virtual Wife would agree!! I'll never be able look at Linus from Peanuts in the same way ever again!! believe it or not i was very calm at that moment Edited by Sinergy, 13 November 2008 - 09:42 AM.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2008-11-13 09:41:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS, you win...sort of...and a question about canceling the K-1	QUOTE (Badgerella @ Nov 12 2008, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And then again, the majority of people here (and I am starting to lean towards anywhere in the world, too) assume that OHMYGOD people can live in the US only because any and all other countries in the world are just a piece of s**t and even considering about living there makes you a freak of some sort. Or worse. What on earth is anyone's problem, here? As far as I understand, the OP wants to cancel his current petition and move to China and just be there. They don't feel like waiting, while being apart, and obviously the OP doesn't think he can live in the US and nowhere but the US. So, what's the problem? His Chinese wife won't feel the awesomeness of the States? Ohmygod, will she survive?!??!?! Eventually, at some point in their life (not our place to even guess or care about, really), they'll maybe apply for whichever visa and go to the States. Or, hey, maybe they'll live happily ever after IN HOLYWOW HORRIBLE ICKY CHINA WHICH HOLYWOW ISN'T THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, where everything is just milk and honey and birds and rainbows. *instert a vomiting smiley* calm down, did you forget your meds?	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2008-11-12 14:36:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS, you win...sort of...and a question about canceling the K-1	QUOTE (Cham @ Nov 11 2008, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (zhongyuan34 @ Nov 11 2008, 05:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Donna-marie, for the most obvious reason of all: We wait TOGETHER instead of 10,000 miles apart not knowing when we'll get to be together!!!! Isn't that obvious from my post?! Pshbrk, thanks for your usual clear-headed and knowledgeable response. I find your response RUDE how was SHE suppose to know..honestly I swear SIGH So what honestly..I have Not seen my SO for 1.5 years but I am not going to be stupid enough to withdraw my K1 petition JUST because I miss him. If I want to be with him I am sticking to the legal route. JUST because YOU get married does not guarantee you will get a visa for it. EVEN IN CHINA. Now you are on file and IF you cancel and get married they will know it was fraud; IN TURN will get you jail time. I realize YOU MISS YOUR SO but we all do, WE are all in the same boat! THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FALL IN LOVE WITH SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY! If you filed the k1 visa it will be 6 months to 9 months... BUT if you go get married it will 9 times out of 10 BE LONGER THINK ABOUT IT If she is WORTH it then she is WORTH THE WAIT and IF your love is THAT strong then this wait for the visa WILL BE WORTH IT. If the love is strong YOU both will with stand this wait. It will go by fast..stay busy. WE all have to go through it if we choose to love someone who is not a US citizen up to you otherwise do what push said and go Dont waste your breath, some ppl dont think they need to wait. the unfortunate part is, he will withdrawl the petition and then file for k3, and have to wait another year or so. But he dont want to hear that. Hes been given advice, its his choice to take it.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2008-11-11 22:35:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS, you win...sort of...and a question about canceling the K-1	filing out your timeline, would help us help you. Edited by Sinergy, 11 November 2008 - 10:12 PM.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2008-11-11 22:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Apply fiancee visa without proff met in person?	not meeting in person is not meeting the requirements and can result in denial	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-03-02 15:21:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (Carmen & Aldo @ Feb 18 2009, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> filipinobride.com muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?? this.. obviously would happen in the Philippines... racism is against the TOS..i suggest you go back and read it	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-18 19:14:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (MMW @ Feb 11 2009, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A LIFE IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE! please start a new thread for postings of regrets	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-11 14:14:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (nowhereman @ Feb 11 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Feb 10 2009, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (nowhereman @ Feb 10 2009, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Charles: We don't agree on much but this time it's Sinergy: The truth hurts... maybe not as much as jumping on a bike with no seat, but it hurts. im sure you will find a bandade to take care of that for ya. And I'm sure if you say the same thing a few dozen more times you can get this thread to around 30 pages. Now I'll go spam another thread! There i fixed it for ya	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-11 14:10:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (nowhereman @ Feb 10 2009, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Charles: We don't agree on much but this time it's Sinergy: The truth hurts... maybe not as much as jumping on a bike with no seat, but it hurts. im sure you will find a bandade to take care of that for ya.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-10 22:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (nowhereman @ Feb 10 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Feb 10 2009, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (nowhereman @ Feb 10 2009, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (charles! @ Feb 6 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> it looks like the gang is all here After 20 pages of everyone saying the same thing, in-fighting over nonsense and the OP not posting since Feb 6th this sums the whole thread up. Thanks Charles. i would hardly call any of this nonsense. pointing out fraud and lieing on government forms is not nonsense and a good learning tool for ppl who are just begininng the process. The "nonsense" is 20 pages of saying the same thing & the holier than thou attitudes of many of the posters (with the sophmoric in-fighting added to the mix). Since the OP is MIA and nothing new has been added since about page 3 the thread should be locked IMO. well...since your not a mod...and mods have been in here and decided that is shouldnt be locked...guess you can either not click on the thread and read it, or you can read it and be whiny about it. QUOTE (charles! @ Feb 10 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (nowhereman @ Feb 10 2009, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (charles! @ Feb 6 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> it looks like the gang is all here After 20 pages of everyone saying the same thing, in-fighting over nonsense and the OP not posting since Feb 6th this sums the whole thread up. Thanks Charles. what a pat on the back? zomg call 911, i'm having a heart attack! its one of those peeps who think insulting members is a contribution to the thread	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-10 12:16:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (nowhereman @ Feb 10 2009, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (charles! @ Feb 6 2009, 06:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> it looks like the gang is all here After 20 pages of everyone saying the same thing, in-fighting over nonsense and the OP not posting since Feb 6th this sums the whole thread up. Thanks Charles. i would hardly call any of this nonsense. pointing out fraud and lieing on government forms is not nonsense and a good learning tool for ppl who are just begininng the process.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-10 10:52:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (PlatyPius @ Feb 9 2009, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Good gods. Will ya both just shut the f##k up? QUOTE (charles! @ Feb 9 2009, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (EnglishFamily @ Feb 9 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (charles! @ Feb 9 2009, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> cliff notes for this thread ------> Charles,can I ask?how did you get that different kind of smiley with emotions>?lol,coz I can't find it here:) special smileys are available only to organizers and moderators Really? your married to a mod...you have access to the special smilies	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-09 22:54:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (charles! @ Feb 9 2009, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (EnglishFamily @ Feb 9 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (charles! @ Feb 9 2009, 07:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> cliff notes for this thread ------> Charles,can I ask?how did you get that different kind of smiley with emotions>?lol,coz I can't find it here:) special smileys are available only to organizers and moderators	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-09 14:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (sus @ Feb 8 2009, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Feb 8 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But how do you not realize something like that? normally you have to go to court...and if you dont...you always have papers stating it was final. So not realizing a divorse/annulment is not final...does not even make sense. First of all - there is no normally that you have to go to court - if someone sues you (for anything) the logical thing is to appear in court - but not everyone does, nor is it required - In a situation where you are dealing with two foreign countries - More often then not, only one party is going to appear in court - also, not being familiar with the legal process in that country, reading the petition, my fiance thought it was final - he'd been living for 5 years thinking he was divorced - she filed it, sent him the paperwork - he thought it was done - So did I from reading the papers he had - what I did know was that what he had wasn't a formal decree - when we tried to get one from the court is when we found out it wasn't finalized, or filed - they had no record of it - Plus, if someone is served with divorce papers, doesn't appear, is served by notice in the paper, etc... they aren't always going to have papers stating that it was final. Another example that I can give you is from my job - we try to repossess a car - the person has moved, left no forwarding address - we publish it in the paper for their last known area of residence - the judge grants the order - They don't read the paper, didn't see the notice - one day they are driving around and some sheriff comes and takes their car. It happens every day. i bolded the part that you failed to read and yes...you ALWAYS recieve papers of a finalized annulment/divorse. If you dont go to court, they will mail them to you. You are another one just arguing for the sake of arguing. You understand the issue...but continue to twist things to be able to argue about it. Everyone has agreed that the OP knowingly filed with the knowledge of being married still to someone else and that is visa fraud bc she LIED. theres no more need to argue over "well I SAY this and that..." if your that board...king.com is a good place to visit.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-09 10:09:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (uscandual @ Feb 8 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Feb 9 2009, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (uscandual @ Feb 8 2009, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (pushbrk @ Feb 9 2009, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That said, you long ago post was sound advice but their chances of success with a second I-129F are none and no way, IMO. See? Those 3 letters 'IMO' really do make it all better. It just takes the judgmental edge off the phrase they complete. It doesn't negate the thrust of your statement, just makes it clear that it's an opinion, not a fact. Makes all the difference in the world. IMO, of course Push, more seriously, I'd really be interested in your view of the one actual tangible case study that was shared on this thread, other than OP's. It was posted by sus and I don't recall seeing your reaction to it, or anyone else (other than mine). I think it's very germane to the case at hand. I'll quote the relevant bit here: QUOTE (sus @ Feb 7 2009, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let me give you another scenario - My own - because had I not know what I know about the process and the law, I would be in this exact position. When my fiance and I started talking about filing and gathering the documentation, I told him we needed a copy of his divorce decree. He gave me what he had - he was divorced in 2004 (he thought) - I work in the legal field (not immigration, typically), and I looked at it and realized it wasn't a final dissolution - it was the original process. He thought he was divorced - his ex had served him, he thought it was done - When we tried to get a copy of the decree, it turned out that she never did it - she just served him and dropped it. So he had to hire an attorney and file for the divorce, and we are still (somewhat impatiently) waiting for the decree. If I didn't understand the legal documents, I could easily have filed, put the date of the petition on there, and gone forward with this process, thinking yes, he was divorced. In fact, he wasn't and I would have been in this same situation - Without knowingly committing fraud. Suppose for a moment, hypothetically, that sus and her fiance had not realized the divorce was not final prior to filing I-129F petition. If they had gone through with it, putting in "divorced" for status of beneficiary, and supplying a date, it probably would have passed through USCIS and NVC processing and arrived at consulate. Most likely, it would be detected at that point because consulate would demand documentation of divorce, and at that point the application would be denied. However my question to you is - do you think they would also be banned from refiling in such a (hypothetical) case? There was no intent to defraud here. In my view the appropriate penalty would be denial of the first filing, but no ban on making subsequent petitions. Curious to know if you agree/disagree. But how do you not realize something like that? normally you have to go to court...and if you dont...you always have papers stating it was final. So not realizing a divorse/annulment is not final...does not even make sense. How do you not realize something like that? Because people are human. And they overlook things. And misunderstand things. And confuse things. And are not perfect creatures as apparently some (you?) demand they must be prior to filing an application. An honest mistake is not fraud. And yes, this scenario does "make sense". People make mistakes. I certainly do. President Obama just famously admitted to "screwing up" with Daschle's nomination. Are you saying every visa applicant should be superior to that standard? Sus' fiance was making an honest mistake: "He thought he was divorced - his ex had served him, he thought it was done" (Sus's words). Thankfully, Sus caught his mistake in time. But what if she hadn't? Does the full force of criminal legal sanctions come crashing down on someone because they made a human error? That's certainly not my understanding of the Criminal code, and also not of the Immigration system. There is NO mistake in this. I dont know what it is that you are not comprehending. No one is putting any blame on the USC..this is all the doing of the OP...the pinay girl. Your either free to marry or your NOT. If you dont have the papers in your hands showing you are divorse or annuled...then your not...and if your not then you dont file for the K1...and if you do and your not free to marry..it is FRAUD. ESPECIALLY since you HAVE to include all divorse/annulment papers with the K1 petition. Ive said it a million times...the OP KNEW she was still married to someone else...still filled out the G325 as if she was free to marry. that is fraud. knowing your not free to marry but filling out the forms as you are...is fraud. There is no mistake if you KNOW your still married. the number one requirment for the K1 is that both ppl are free to marry...the OP knew she wasnt...filed anyway...with hopes that by interview time she would be annulled. THAT IS FRAUD! I also think YOU are continuing to argue for the sake of wanting to argue. Your points are invalid in this situation. No matter how you try to argue it...it was not a mistake. Edited by Sinergy, 08 February 2009 - 02:35 PM.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-08 14:30:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (desert_fox @ Feb 8 2009, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Feb 8 2009, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (desert_fox @ Feb 8 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the only thing that hsn't been stated in this thread is that Pushbck Be patient...I'll get it out. ...Pushbak has been virtually correct in all of his posts. I know that most ppl like to cheer on every dysfunctional cause, including trying to conceal, and perjury...but this guy did it to himself.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-08 14:26:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (desert_fox @ Feb 8 2009, 01:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> the only thing that hsn't been stated in this thread is that Pushbck	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-08 13:45:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (uscandual @ Feb 8 2009, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (pushbrk @ Feb 9 2009, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That said, you long ago post was sound advice but their chances of success with a second I-129F are none and no way, IMO. See? Those 3 letters 'IMO' really do make it all better. It just takes the judgmental edge off the phrase they complete. It doesn't negate the thrust of your statement, just makes it clear that it's an opinion, not a fact. Makes all the difference in the world. IMO, of course Push, more seriously, I'd really be interested in your view of the one actual tangible case study that was shared on this thread, other than OP's. It was posted by sus and I don't recall seeing your reaction to it, or anyone else (other than mine). I think it's very germane to the case at hand. I'll quote the relevant bit here: QUOTE (sus @ Feb 7 2009, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Let me give you another scenario - My own - because had I not know what I know about the process and the law, I would be in this exact position. When my fiance and I started talking about filing and gathering the documentation, I told him we needed a copy of his divorce decree. He gave me what he had - he was divorced in 2004 (he thought) - I work in the legal field (not immigration, typically), and I looked at it and realized it wasn't a final dissolution - it was the original process. He thought he was divorced - his ex had served him, he thought it was done - When we tried to get a copy of the decree, it turned out that she never did it - she just served him and dropped it. So he had to hire an attorney and file for the divorce, and we are still (somewhat impatiently) waiting for the decree. If I didn't understand the legal documents, I could easily have filed, put the date of the petition on there, and gone forward with this process, thinking yes, he was divorced. In fact, he wasn't and I would have been in this same situation - Without knowingly committing fraud. Suppose for a moment, hypothetically, that sus and her fiance had not realized the divorce was not final prior to filing I-129F petition. If they had gone through with it, putting in "divorced" for status of beneficiary, and supplying a date, it probably would have passed through USCIS and NVC processing and arrived at consulate. Most likely, it would be detected at that point because consulate would demand documentation of divorce, and at that point the application would be denied. However my question to you is - do you think they would also be banned from refiling in such a (hypothetical) case? There was no intent to defraud here. In my view the appropriate penalty would be denial of the first filing, but no ban on making subsequent petitions. Curious to know if you agree/disagree. But how do you not realize something like that? normally you have to go to court...and if you dont...you always have papers stating it was final. So not realizing a divorse/annulment is not final...does not even make sense.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-08 13:39:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (pushbrk @ Feb 8 2009, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (GloriaLuvsMoto2 @ Feb 8 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (pushbrk @ Feb 9 2009, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (uscandual @ Feb 8 2009, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (pushbrk @ Feb 9 2009, 12:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't think it takes much examination to see that most of the last 12 pages consist of bickering over whether we know what we know and/or whether and how we should communicate what we know or think we know. When we use our understanding of the forms and process, we need not be a fly on the wall to know false information was intentionally and knowingly given to USCIS or the petition would never have been approved and we know that more false information was contained in the visa applications delivered to the Consulate in furtherance of false pictures painted by the petition. We can read the affirmations above signatures on forms and know the potential consequences of these actions preclude remedies like simply filing again. We cannot help this couple obtain a visa fraudulently and we cannot help them avoid the penalties for the offences they've already been caught committing. What we can do is help them face the realities of what they've done so they can, between them resolve what they will do going forward without wasting time on futile efforts. Oh no, here we go again. Look, overall I agree with what you're saying, that we should certainly not be abetting fraud or duplicity, and that we cannot undo past actions that are already done, and that we cannot impose our will and judgment for that of USCIS and other bodies (e.g. Manila embassy). BUT. BUT. This statement drives me a bit nuts: intentionally and knowingly You don't know that. I don't know that. You can suspect that, so may I. But nothing you can say, nothing anyone says here other than perhaps the OP, can confirm or deny whether it was "intentionally and knowingly". We've already had a poster recount their own experience in which they NEARLY fell into such a trap, completing the forms believing that because an ex-spouse had served papers that in fact the divorce was finalized, when it was not. How can you POSSIBLY know that something similar did not happen here, to this OP? You DON'T KNOW. I wish people would stop stating as facts things that are conjectures. Proving my point. Most of the last now 13 of 16 pages have been about bickering about what is and isn't known. All forms ask about previous marriages. The foreign fiancee's English seems sufficient and she mentions "my previous marriage" in the title of the thread, indicating information about a previous marriage was knowingly and intentionally misrepresented. If there was any misunderstanding or confusion involved it relates the consequences, not the actions themselves. Ignorance of consequences may mitigate some of the penalties but not erase the responsibility for the offense. That said, you long ago post was sound advice but their chances of success with a second I-129F are none and no way, IMO. Push... this have been a very interesting topic for me... and im just wondering.. what exactly could happen to their petition perce if.. 1. If she have mentioned her former marriage to G325 when they filled it before.. and just failed to submit the annulment decree.. Will they be allowed to make appeal? or will it be ok for them to re file a petition? 2. if they failed to declare it either intentional or not. Would this realy mean an automatic ban for her? What do u think is the best option for them now? im concerned that why iam asking...thank you If they got a petition approved, they did so by omitting mention of a previous marriage because if there had been one mentioned, no petition would have been approved without evidence the marriage was terminated by death, divorce or annullment. Whether by ommission or false declaration, this constitutes misrepresentation of a material fact. As already stated, the penalty is a ban on visa approval and entry to the USA. The only ban mentioned for misrepresentation is a permanent one but I'm not a judge, so I allow it's possible for some penalty short of a lifetime ban. I think their best option is to abandon any attempt to obtain a visa to the USA for the beneficiary and get on with their lives the best they can. I have no idea what that means to the couple, because I don't know enough to know whether building a life together outside the USA is a viable option for them. You don't simply fail to mention a previous marriage. You fail to answer a question truthfully, meaning your answer is a lie, not a mistake. QUOTE (Madame Cleo @ Feb 8 2009, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That's your OPINION and not a fact as you don't actually work for USICS now do you? My message to the OP, (if the OP ever returns which I would somewhat doubt), get your annulment and re file. Let USICS judge what penalties to impose, not the members of VJ who are normally very well intentioned but sometimes get carried away on technicalities. Good luck OP. If working for the USCIS is the standard for knowing anything about the visa process, then VJ might as well be shut down immediately. The OP has returned to the thread without posting. Um, yes, I know that. I honestly think you have made your point more than needed in this thread as i have. Why even bother to continue really. There are others who need help and advice that wont stick up for "lieing and fraud"....lets go	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-08 13:29:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (luckytxn @ Feb 7 2009, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> No this thread is about bashing repeatedly the OP for you. You have repeated over and over the same thing and it seems you are now enjoying it. I and I am sure most here have got it already. They screwed up and may get banned for life. They get it now. You have resaid your opinion over and over. We get it. You are indignent and in an uproar. It wasnt a screw up...it was an outright lie on her part. Thats not screwing up...thats lieing and praying the annulment is final before they find out. No one takes pleasure out of threads like this...its a darn shame that a couple..or just her thought it was ok to lie about a current marriage in hopes of the process taking long enough so when the interview came the current marriage would be final. Its a lesson learned...not just for this couple...but for all couples who think its ok to try and lie on government forms. I understand its hard to be away from your SO...we have all done it or are doing it...lieing on the forms...can cause a longer time apart...so its stupid to do it.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-08 02:46:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (MMW @ Feb 7 2009, 02:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am married to a filipina and i know the way she uses English words can be stated one way and she means something different so I know that her saying she doesn't have her decision yet doesn't mean the case isn't finished yet by the court in the Philippines. I do believe that there is a possibility that she was not accurate in her filing. I am not saying she didn't, but i also am not having enough info from her post to be so judgmental to say there is definite fraud here. My real concern for my posts are to add support to a member looking for it and to ensure others wont be afraid to post their controversial situations because of fear of this happening to them. I would think founding members would have this at the front of their posts when making them. I have really enjoyed this site and all the support we offer to each other. Let's keep it a site dedicated to support and not one that may intimidate people not to ask the question that might mean a visa for them or not. Having had experience with how Filipinos sometimes use incorrect words in their tranlations of english i tend to keep a more open mind on what they intend to mean than the literal translation. Not being accurate about currently being married when you file a petition for fiance visa is fraud...i dont care how you try to put it or how you try to word it...the OP has already stated she did it knowing she was still married...so she knew exactly what she was doing when the petition was filed. i still dont understand how you dont understand that that is the issue. SHE KNEW! also...i dont care what language you speak if you know even a little enlgish...what i c/p'ed from the g325 is clear and simple. the OP knows what she did, and knew she was still married when she filled out the forms....there is no excuse in the world for her when she already admitted it. gnight QUOTE (MMW @ Feb 7 2009, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> yes i know how the forms read and yes if she put none on the question of the marriage then she lied but we dont have that info. putting the marriage and listing the date of her court wouldn't be a lie necessarily. it would as it simply says TERMINATION DATE....that is not a court date....she knew that...thats why she is stressing so much right now...and why she was stressing so much that the consulate wouldnt let her hold off the interview until the annulment was final....these are HER WORDS...not mine	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-07 02:51:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	here...lets make this visible http://www.visajourn...Form-G-325A.pdf this is the G-325....which you have to fill 4 of these out for yourself. The question: Former Husbands or Wives (If none, so state)Family Name (For wife, give maiden name) First Name Date and Place of Termination of Marriage Date and Place of Marriage Birth Date(mm/dd/yyyy) [if there is none put none] If the OP put NONE.......LIE....FRAUD If the OP put her current husband and a termination date...it wouldve been a false date as there was no termination date at the time of filling out the form...guess what....LIE.....FRAUD	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-07 02:35:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	QUOTE (MMW @ Feb 7 2009, 03:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well Sin i am glad that you have all the facts concerning the Annulment process she was involved in. I know from experience of a close friend of mine that the case for Annulment was completed and ruled on by the Judge and the Annulment granted and still it took Many months for the Supporting documents to be released. So please don't be so concerned about being right and focus more on the issue here. Support for a fellow VJ member looking for advice and guidance. The fact could have been just what i have stated that the documents not received therefore no one necessarily lied on a document. NOT ENOUGH INFO!!!!! 2 cases not the same, your friend already had the annulment, whether the papers were released or not, there was a final annulment, this one did not. SHE IS STILL MARRIED TO THE OTHER PERSON....what part of those words do you not understand??? the annulment is not even final...STILL and shes already been to her interview. geez...read the words...then reply. also....i have NO support for any VJ member that commits visa fraud...especially someone who files a petition for fiance visa WHILE MARRIED TO SOMEONE ELSE. geez....makes me wonder if you even read the requirments and understood them QUOTE (uscandual @ Feb 7 2009, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (pushbrk @ Feb 7 2009, 02:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Another case has been mentioned here, where the couple was successful even though the annullment wasn't completed until long after the petition was filed. That case to had many material misrepresentations and they couple is just as guilty of visa fraud for same reasons. The difference is they got away with it by delaying the interview until a CENOMAR was in hand. A CENOMAR states the fiancee is free to marry, effectively covering each and every previous lie from being discovered. They will need to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. On this one, I entirely agree with you. That poster really amazed me - telling us bold-faced that they intentionally petitioned and filed, KNOWING that the annulment would be done later, before interview stage. That is clearly, unambiguously, fraudulent. They got away with it, but offering that kind of advice to others is reckless. I thought VJ as a community comes down harshly on any member saying "I broke the rules and got away with it! Here's how I did it! You should too!". For shame, for shame. agreed...and it really sickens me when other VJ members praise ppl who "slipped thru the system" like that. Edited by Sinergy, 07 February 2009 - 02:29 AM.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-07 02:28:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Got denied on my interview b'coz of not having my decision yet at the court from my previous marriage	The fact and again ill state it...that she knowingly filled out the G-325 to be petitioned for a fiance visa while still being married...lied on those forms...not just one but all 4...whether she kept it blank or filled it in..bc the bottom line is...she was still married when she filled out those forms...she was still married when they mailed off the petition...she was still married when approved (and bc approved its obvious she lied on the g325 which YES IS FRAUD) and was still married come interview time....and in fact is STILL MARRIED to her current husband. YES it is fraud on her part. yes the denial was rightfully given....NO no good defence lawyer could win this. She was married thru the whole process to someone else...knew this...and still went to the interview...married to SOMEONE ELSE...but hoping and praying to God almighty her annulment would be final before her interview thinking she would be in the clear. too bad on her part it wasnt....the fact that SHE lied on the G325 forms...she commited fraud on a government immigration document. there is no way around it...no clever way through it...and the reality is just that. MMW i know what your trying to say...bless you for trying...however when the fiance is still married to someone else and fills out the G325 forms...and obviously lied on them, while praying the annulment is final before the interview...still married to someone else thru the whole k1 process...is indeed fraud...no matter how anyone wants to see it...its visa fraud. If there is any advice for the OP its simple...NEVER NEVER LIE ON GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS!!!!! it can lead to nothing but trouble. im going to bed...ive said what i have said...theres no sugar coating it...and no other way to explain it. Edited by Sinergy, 07 February 2009 - 02:22 AM.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-02-07 02:16:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Is this gonna hurt us?	QUOTE (pushbrk @ Jan 7 2009, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (luntian @ Jan 7 2009, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> correct me if I am wrong she had abortion??? correct me if I am wrong she had abortion??? Yes, she had an abortion. It is not relevant to immigration proceedings. dont ya love how ppl only speak on the negative details?	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-07 23:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	First time here....	well according to USCIS site, it looks like both K1 and K3 are taking about 6 months for approval. So its up to you 2 to decide but i do urge you to read the guides...you can also read on both visas, that may help you decide as well. either way you can visit her in her country or you in hers during the process	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-14 02:08:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	First time here....	The best thing for you to do is read the guides...it will help you step by step. as far as telling you which route to take, that is completely up to you.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-14 01:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Should I K1 or DCF or can we do both?	whatever you choose, if you dont have a complicated case, i wouldnt use a lawyer	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-13 18:46:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	can someone please talk me through how to get hold of someone higher than customer services rep?	QUOTE (MARM @ Jan 12 2009, 03:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You can't be all nice and polite with them...you need to be firm and let them know that you are UPSET. I was very nice and polite the first few times when they did not send me my NOA1 and the reps kept promising that they would do something about it...and then the 4th time, I had it, and I was FIRM and let them know that I was UPSET and the lady rep on the other end told me that she would get it done that same day and I asked for her ID# and the name of her supervisor (just to scare her, I was not going to report her or anything) and it worked and within that week I got my NOA1. I agree...its ok to say " I AM VERY VERY UPSET, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WITH A SUPERVISOR" sound upset too lol	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-12 10:17:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	can someone please talk me through how to get hold of someone higher than customer services rep?	Have you tried asking for a supervisor? If you ask, they will get you one	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-12 00:48:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Question about "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule,	QUOTE (Karin und Otto @ Jan 15 2009, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Jan 15 2009, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> so EVERYONE who has read it is off base? I didn't read it the way everyone did... good thing i was talking about the ppl who had already posted	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-15 21:41:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Question about "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule,	QUOTE (pushbrk @ Jan 15 2009, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Minya's wife @ Jan 15 2009, 01:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Push, no reason to be condescending. Why not try actually answering the OP's question....since that's what this forum is for right? DAY937, The 'must have met in person within the past two years' rule outlines the eligibility to file the I-129F petition. In order to be eligible, you must have met face-to-face with your fiancee at least once in the two years before you file your petition. How this applies to your specific situation? The last time you saw your fiancee was January 5, 2009, right? You can file your petition any time from now until January of 2011(2 years) and you will be eligible. Good luck, -P It's a fair question. The OP's specific question had already been answered, but no, I don't agree that the purpose of the forum is to answer questions. It's certainly one of the purposes but the real purpose is for people to get the help they need to have a successful visa process. If that were limited to asking questions and getting answers, the success would be limited. When attempting something new and complicated, people don't yet know what they don't know, so they don't know what to ask. My suggestion was a sincere effort to assist the OP or any other reader to have a successful visa process and I stand by it as not only valid and sincere but actually "critical" to success. All those who read something else into it are just off base. I meant exactly what I said, nothing more, nothing less and I've said it before and will say it again because it in fact IS a critical issue. so EVERYONE who has read it is off base? not you? you called him an idiot in a nice way not to break the TOS, as you do whenever you insult anyone on VJ. Your being called out on it, and you dont like it. All you had to do was answer his question, he didnt need the condesending remarks along with it. and as you sd, his question had already been answered, so why do you feel the need to belittle ppl even after they already recieved their answer? something you should prolly work on, answering questions without insults.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-15 17:05:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Question about "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule,	QUOTE (pushbrk @ Jan 15 2009, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (*Len* @ Jan 15 2009, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Jan 15 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (*Len* @ Jan 15 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jesus pushbrk --- do you need to reply in such a condescending way to the poster? Get off your high horse, that was utterly rude and uncalled for. I agree...in a nice way he just called the OP illiterate. As i said, its prolly ppl are just reading the requirment too fast and not understanding it to the fullest. I do agree with reading everything carefully and slowly. I agree with reading carefully of course - but this process is hard enough on folks to top it off with a welcoming "you are an idiot who cannot read" addendum; don't you think? Skill = 1. the ability, coming from one's knowledge, practice, aptitude, etc., to do something well: Carpentry was one of his many skills. 2. competent excellence in performance; expertness; dexterity: The dancers performed with skill. Literate = 1. able to read and write. 2. having or showing knowledge of literature, writing, etc.; literary; well-read. Intelligence = 1. The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge. 2. The faculty of thought and reason. I referred to what I think is quite franky a pretty specialized "skill" not present in quite a large percentage of literate, intelligent people, one that even many college graduates with responsible management and other positions have not yet developed. I made no comment about literacy or intelligence. Those who interpreted otherwise, have not read carefully and interpreted literally. No...you called the OP and idiot...and just lined it out even more clear	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-15 17:01:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Question about "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule,	QUOTE (*Len* @ Jan 15 2009, 02:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Sinergy @ Jan 15 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (*Len* @ Jan 15 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Jesus pushbrk --- do you need to reply in such a condescending way to the poster? Get off your high horse, that was utterly rude and uncalled for. I agree...in a nice way he just called the OP illiterate. As i said, its prolly ppl are just reading the requirment too fast and not understanding it to the fullest. I do agree with reading everything carefully and slowly. I agree with reading carefully of course - but this process is hard enough on folks to top it off with a welcoming "you are an idiot who cannot read" addendum; don't you think? i agree 100%	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-15 13:24:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Question about "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule,	QUOTE (*Len* @ Jan 15 2009, 02:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (pushbrk @ Jan 15 2009, 09:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (DAY937 @ Jan 15 2009, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was wondering about the you must met in person within the past two years ordeal for the K1-Visa process. My situation is that I met my fiance from Spain online through Myspace Sept 07. Then we start to getting to know each other, and the relationship turn into a love relationship, then met her in June 08 in Europe, then she come to USA to visit in Sept of 08 til Dec 08, then I come to visit her and family in Spain Dec 19, 2008 til Jan 5, 2009 (this was when I ask her to marry me). She's coming again in March of this year (09), then I'm flying back with her to Spain in June of this year 2009. With the "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule, am I eligible to file a petition for the K1 visa for my fiance in July 2009 since from July 07-July 09 we will have met a total of 5 times? Or I have to wait til Sept 2009 to file because that was when we met online Sept of 07? Thanks for your help. Success in the visa process requires the ability to read carefully, interpret literally and answer honestly and accurately. This will be critical many times in the process. If your language skills are not sufficient to understand the requirement to meet within the past two years, you are likely to need assistance from somebody with better skills, whether an attorney, friend or family member. Jesus pushbrk --- do you need to reply in such a condescending way to the poster? Get off your high horse, that was utterly rude and uncalled for. I agree...in a nice way he just called the OP illiterate. As i said, its prolly ppl are just reading the requirment too fast and not understanding it to the fullest. I do agree with reading everything carefully and slowly.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-15 13:17:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Question about "the two people must have met in person within the past two years" rule,	Ive seen this question alot lately, im wondering if maybe ppl are reading the requirment too fast...bc its pretty strait forward.	Sinergy	Female	Romania	2009-01-15 13:14:00