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Middle East and North Africawearing rings
QUOTE (Nagishkaw @ Sep 1 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Warren Commission revisited?


You're good in putting short stupid comments.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-09-01 12:58:00
Middle East and North Africawearing rings
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QUOTE (oldahmed @ Sep 1 2009, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can anyone explain to me why wearing an engagement ring is a problem since the two parties are engaged?

A woman wearing an engagement ring is the norm, however a man wearing a wedding band like ring on his left hand (where a wedding ring goes) looks like hes already married, which may cause a big issue for a K1 visa application... especially at a consulate that is known for being pretty rough.


Thank you for your quick reply.

"which may cause a big issue for a K1 visa application... especially at a consulate that is known for being pretty rough"

Is this from experience or just a guess? I'm originally from MENA, and I don't see this as an issue. People wear their rings interchangeably in their left or right hand.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-09-01 12:41:00
Middle East and North Africawearing rings

Can anyone explain to me why wearing an engagement ring is a problem since the two parties are engaged?
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-09-01 09:50:00
Middle East and North AfricaHusband wants to continue degree...any advice?
QUOTE (SimoAndYvette @ Sep 28 2009, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello All!

Hope this Monday finds each and everyone of you VERY well!

I have a question (to add to my many many blush.gif ):

My husband has his degree in Information Technology Management (basically he is a computer geek.. whistling.gif ).

When he first arrived last November, we thought "No Problem"...apply and he will get something; that was totally NOT the case. One year later he is working in Property Management with me and at a restaurant.

He wants to go back to school, to add an additional IT degree, but we are not sure where to start.

Are there any government programs that will help him with school?

Do we complete the FAFSA, and then if so, what do we use for previous year's income, it was only 1 month's worth?

Any suggestions or advice is GREATLY appreciated...as always!

Yvette


Another thing to consider is to get certified. Networking certifications, Java, oracle, .. certifications. If he's a geek as you said, he can use his knowledge to get some of these certifications, and they are highly regarded in the IT job market.
Depends on where you live, there are counties who provide adults and community education classes in their public schools. They have preparation classes for these certifications.
I would suggest you visit your neighborhood public library, they must have information about this.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-09-29 11:49:00
Middle East and North AfricaWhat to do about applying NEED HELP
QUOTE (srac @ Sep 28 2009, 11:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi guys, I'm a US citizen, maybe my case is a lil complicated but could use some advice. Thanks in advance. My questions arent about applying etc..cuz i already know how to do all that. Anyways ill go ahead and ask. I already contacted the embassy here in syria. They said I can apply from here i got the pack of papers and everything. The problem is that i have recently done my katb kitab and so we are officially married, i mean i've known my new wife forever years and years since childhood (childhood friends, best friends, couple) smile.gif. have tons of pictures, so i can prove this to them. The problem though as you all know is traditionally we dont live together until after the wedding, and we are not living together, and shes in our neighboring country lebanon. I already thought about applying from there but i cant cuz i cant get a permanent residence there only as a tourist, and no i cant get a job there cuz i'm a doctor and they dont employ foreign physicians in lebanon and so its not possible though i can apply from syria so i thought why not.. anyways she currently works in the american university hospital in lebanon, and its not like i can lie to the counsler that shes in syria permanently cuz when you fill out the biographical data it asks residence of last 5 years etc.. as well as where you've worked including presently. I wrote an email to the embassy but didnt get a reply about that.. so i'm worried now.. i told them were married but because shes working there that we decided that she would keep her job until the visa came out which is true, and that I go back and forth from country to country which is also true. I asked if possible i could petition here and the process would continue there like you know on the i-130 if you fill the right half with your spouse's address, but i said if not its ok as well we both can be phyiscally present during the interview etc.. i mean i really just wanna take her with me to america, i dunno why all this is complicated. Also so when going to petition i mean do you guys wear your rings on your left hand..cant i just explain it to them? that were married i mean we have the official paper work and everything, im just really worried about all this maybe for nothing, but i dont want them to deny me the chance of apply through the counselar cuz i know how long and painful the USCIS process takes over a year where it takes only 3-5 months here in syria sad.gif ahhh help any advice??? thanks! Also what should 1 do about the support paper when that comes up i might not even get to that sad.gif ahh.. i mean shes been working for a few years and can prove that and i have money in my account here as well and recieved a wedding present from parents i read about 3x the poverty line and with our combined assets were over that is that ok that one does not need a co-sponsor, thanks alot for your input..


I believe the embassy is aware of the local tradition and they consider it when studying each application. I know many couples do get married officially, but they do not move together until after the wedding. This is common, so I assume it shouldn't be a problem.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-09-29 12:32:00
Middle East and North Africaconverting - or not
QUOTE (bhajishah @ Oct 2 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.jihadwatc...fine-print.html

yh good luck on saying no.

http://www.jihadwatc...fine-print.html

yh good luck on saying no.


Is Jihadwatch your source of knowledge about Islam?
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-10-03 18:55:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
QUOTE (Hot Guy @ Nov 21 2009, 03:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (oldahmed @ Nov 21 2009, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Since the thread is about the Algerian victory, a French channel video about the victory and celebrations:

oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-21 06:44:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
Since the thread is about the Algerian victory, a French channel video about the victory and celebrations:

oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-20 23:39:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
QUOTE (Hot Guy @ Nov 20 2009, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
alright guys lets start
Algerians gang members at Sudan .
Is there anyone in this world can say those are soccer's fans ?!!
In fact they are bunch of gang members . thats what Algeria sent to Sudan and we sent actors ,singers,students,business man ......


And how about a neutral source, about this same video.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-20 09:20:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
QUOTE (Hot Guy @ Nov 20 2009, 04:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
alright guys lets start
Algerians gang members at Sudan .
Is there anyone in this world can say those are soccer's fans ?!!
In fact they are bunch of gang members . thats what Algeria sent to Sudan and we sent actors ,singers,students,business man ......


And it doesn't strike you that none of these so called Algerian fans in Sudan was wearing Algerian Jersey or flag?
I feel sad for you how you are manipulated by your media
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-20 08:20:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory

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What do you mean I wouldnt know on my own?
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I mean can you explain to me this video?
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-20 01:32:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory

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So now you think that what the Algerians did was not jusitified even though earlier you were saying that Egyptians were the cause of these problems. Disrespectful and immoral fans are the cause of all this. Have you heard of any Algerians hiding out in peoples houses in Egypt like what the Egyptians are having to do in Algeria right now? Have you heard of any Algerian companies being demolished due to these games? It just bothers me that you were so fast to accuse the Egyptians but as soon as I answered and sent a video you decided to say that what happened was not justified. I dont want to have an argument, but I really think you should check all your sources before you try to point fingers.
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Earlier I was saying that Egyptians need to learn to respect their opponents, fair play, and accept defeat. I'm talking about soccer. Did the Egyptians accept the fact that Algerians deserved their ticket to the WC? Go read Egyptian Sport websites. All articles are insults to Algerians.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-20 01:30:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
QUOTE (NancylovesAhmad @ Nov 20 2009, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (oldahmed @ Nov 19 2009, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Nawal @ Nov 19 2009, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's talking about the tons of news reports, special talk shows and videos showing in the Middle East about Algeria and Egypt.

News reports of Algeria faking the attack on the bus: No broken glass inside the bus but windows busted outside and proving that they were trying to have the match played outside the country by setting up a hoax attack. Videos showing this has been all over the news there. There was also an article about a Israeli news reporter (who is Palestian if I remember correctly) that tried to instigate fights in Cairo during the first match and Egypt had him detained and deported back to Israel. Je caused a lot of problems posing as a crazed Algerian fan in the streets.

News reports of Algeria preparing to release or releasing prisoners to attack Egyptian fans, etc if they were to win the match in Sudan.

News reports of Algeria's attacks (1 death I heard about, not sure about the rape tho) on innocent Egyptian fans, business owners, etc right after the match that has continued. They have even posted numbers to Egytian citizens in Sudan to get them free plane rides home quickly to avoid any more violence.

The videos and articles are on famous talk shows and news there as well as reported on Al Jazerra.

There are reports of Egytians going to protest and retaliate at the Algerian embassy in Cairo however, I'm not sure what has transpired in the past 12 hours...so who knows.

It is all very sad that any innocent fan would be injured or killed whether Egyptian or Algerian.


You're talking about the same talk shows who created all these problems? I read a lot of articles about this issue from neutral news sources, and I think Egyptians need to learn to respect their opponents, fair play, and accept defeat as part of the game.


You think Egypt is the one that needs to learn respect and accepting defeat?? Where have you been getting your information on what has happened at the games and afterwards? But I will just share a link to a short video since actions speak louder than words...........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaiM9B6g42M


I have been getting my info from Egyptian Media mostly. Can you please explain to me what this video is? or at least what you have been told it is. Because I know you wouldn't know on your own. Can you please give me your source?
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-20 01:17:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
QUOTE (Safiya&Samir @ Nov 20 2009, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not denying what you are saying! I'm just saying it goes both ways. Don't tell me you haven't heard about the Egyptians being attacked in Algeria?

Look, I'm not taking any side. I'm just saying that blaming one side exclusively is not legitimate because it pains you to blame your own.

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Yes, I've heard of that. Of course it's a sad thing not to be justified, but what do you think caused that?
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-20 01:04:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
QUOTE (Safiya&Samir @ Nov 19 2009, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Nawal @ Nov 19 2009, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is all very sad that any innocent fan would be injured or killed whether Egyptian or Algerian.


good.gif I really don't understand it.


QUOTE (oldahmed @ Nov 19 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... and I think Egyptians need to learn to respect their opponents, fair play, and accept defeat as part of the game.



Seriously, there is plenty of violence and retardedness to spread around. (sorry for the non PC term) I just saw an Algerian on youtube making angry threats of violence to all Egyptians. You think if Algeria had lost that they would have "respected their opponents" and "accepted defeat as part of the game?" Ludicrous. I think this whole thing shows how dangerous strong nationalism and ignorance can be. There is no party involved in this who comes out looking saintly.



Violent fans exist in every country, in Algeria, Egypt or anywhere else. That's a separate problem from the problem we are facing now. This one is a Media problem. I think a lone Algerian (if he is) making threats on a video cannot be compared to the President of the Egyption Fottbal Federation who says to the Egyptian fans "You can do with the Algerians whatever you want when they come" or Egyptian officials accusing Algerian players of injuring themselves to avoid playing the game. We're talking about official positions vs anonymous lone statements over the web.
Yes, Egyptians need to learn to respect their opponents and accept defeat, because their history.

Egypt-Algeria: when fair play died

By JOHN LEICESTER, AP Sports Columnis

http://sports.yahoo....a...p&type=lgns
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-20 00:13:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
QUOTE (Nawal @ Nov 19 2009, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's talking about the tons of news reports, special talk shows and videos showing in the Middle East about Algeria and Egypt.

News reports of Algeria faking the attack on the bus: No broken glass inside the bus but windows busted outside and proving that they were trying to have the match played outside the country by setting up a hoax attack. Videos showing this has been all over the news there. There was also an article about a Israeli news reporter (who is Palestian if I remember correctly) that tried to instigate fights in Cairo during the first match and Egypt had him detained and deported back to Israel. Je caused a lot of problems posing as a crazed Algerian fan in the streets.

News reports of Algeria preparing to release or releasing prisoners to attack Egyptian fans, etc if they were to win the match in Sudan.

News reports of Algeria's attacks (1 death I heard about, not sure about the rape tho) on innocent Egyptian fans, business owners, etc right after the match that has continued. They have even posted numbers to Egytian citizens in Sudan to get them free plane rides home quickly to avoid any more violence.

The videos and articles are on famous talk shows and news there as well as reported on Al Jazerra.

There are reports of Egytians going to protest and retaliate at the Algerian embassy in Cairo however, I'm not sure what has transpired in the past 12 hours...so who knows.

It is all very sad that any innocent fan would be injured or killed whether Egyptian or Algerian.


You're talking about the same talk shows who created all these problems? I read a lot of articles about this issue from neutral news sources, and I think Egyptians need to learn to respect their opponents, fair play, and accept defeat as part of the game.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-19 21:00:00
Middle East and North AfricaAlgerian victory
QUOTE (Hot Guy @ Nov 19 2009, 04:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you really call that a victory ?!
What a shame !


Why? what happened?
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2009-11-19 10:19:00
Middle East and North Africaislamic marriage and recognized
This post is a response to the original poster, not to make a point and not to argue with anyone:

Source: http://english.islam...;Option=FatwaId

Question

assalamu alaykum, i am working in a gulf country and i am from another country, i am 29 years old i met a man he went ask my hand to my father with 2 witnesses and he presented a gift. this man work in the military and they didnt give us approval to make a marriage contract in his country because they want him to marry only women of his own country. if we make this contract in my country than they will inform his ambassy which in turn will inform the military. we are now married without paper as he went to my father and read fatiha and 2 witnesses were there. how can we do the marriage contract??? and where and who can do it for us? please help

Fatwa


All perfect praise be to Allaah, The Lord of the Worlds. I testify that there is none worthy of worship except Allaah, and that Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) is His slave and Messenger.


The marriage contract is correct if some conditions are fulfilled, the most important of which are the consent of the guardian and the presence of two witnesses; for more benefit in this regard, please refer to Fatwa 82072.


So, if there is a proposal and acceptance between the two parties of the contract, who are the guardian and the husband, along with the presence of the witnesses, then the marriage contract is correct. It is not a condition for the marriage contract to take place in a particular place or to write official papers; the woman becomes the wife of the man, and announcing the marriage is desired and not an obligation.


However, if this marriage took place without authentication or announcement, it may lead to losing some rights in addition to what is mentioned in the question that the husband may be subjected to a punishment or brought to court, so it is more appropriate not to conclude this marriage. Nonetheless, since this marriage already took place, one should look for means in a way to avoid those disadvantages as much as possible.


Allaah Knows best.

Also check this link for Fatwa 82072 mentioned above: http://english.islam...;Option=FatwaId

Edited by oldahmed, 11 March 2010 - 07:40 PM.

oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2010-03-11 19:39:00
Middle East and North Africaislamic marriage and recognized

Oldahmed is wrong and so are you, zahra. I'm not merely interested in the secular legality, I'm also very concerned about the spiritual legality. People say "all" that is required are the elements of a contract and witnesses, but that is simply not true and definitely not only my opinion.

How does it honor God for you to marry "Islamically", and then have to lie about it?

How does it honor God for you to have to marry twice because the psuedo-Islamic way wasn't good enough?

How does it honor God to pervert His intent for you to have an enforcable contract when it is not worth the promises offered or the paper it's written on?

Some of you have no patience or moderation in your dealings with the faith. You play it cheap for the thrill. You cannot justify marrying "Islamically" and having a do over because the first time wasn't as valid as the legal on you do after the visa.

If someone advised a woman here to do the reverse- do the marriage right, so they don't have to lie, then fudge on the visa process, o, the howling there would be. Obeying the laws of the US, and cheapening Islam's requirements is ok, tho. I wonder why.




"Some of you have no patience or moderation in your dealings with the faith"

"Oldahmed is wrong and so are you, zahra"

It seems to me that's you have no room for other opinions. It's your opinion and no other, even though you failed to prove that what you're saying is right. Even the link you gave contradicts you, but still everybody is wrong.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2010-03-10 17:14:00
Middle East and North Africaislamic marriage and recognized

Oldahmed is wrong and so are you, zahra. I'm not merely interested in the secular legality, I'm also very concerned about the spiritual legality. People say "all" that is required are the elements of a contract and witnesses, but that is simply not true and definitely not only my opinion.

How does it honor God for you to marry "Islamically", and then have to lie about it?

How does it honor God for you to have to marry twice because the psuedo-Islamic way wasn't good enough?

How does it honor God to pervert His intent for you to have an enforcable contract when it is not worth the promises offered or the paper it's written on?

Some of you have no patience or moderation in your dealings with the faith. You play it cheap for the thrill. You cannot justify marrying "Islamically" and having a do over because the first time wasn't as valid as the legal on you do after the visa.

If someone advised a woman here to do the reverse- do the marriage right, so they don't have to lie, then fudge on the visa process, o, the howling there would be. Obeying the laws of the US, and cheapening Islam's requirements is ok, tho. I wonder why.



I stopped responding to you because my first post was to answer the original poster's question, then I figured out that at the course this thread is going, she will not get a clear view, thus better go check with a reliable source.



"How does it honor God for you to marry "Islamically", and then have to lie about it?"
You don't have to lie about it. There are two standards here, by the Islamic standards, the person is married. by the US standard he/she is not since what they recognize is the civil marriage.

"How does it honor God for you to have to marry twice because the pseudo-Islamic way wasn't good enough?"

In all Muslim countries I know of, you have to do the marriage ceremony twice, Islamic marriage, and civil marriage. This is done in the US two, isn't it? or enough for you the civil marriage?


"How does it honor God to pervert His intent for you to have an enforcable contract when it is not worth the promises offered or the paper it's written on?"

You still didn't answer my question from a previous post on what is an enforcable contract. I hope that since you mentioned that you have a PhD in Islamic studies, at least you use some Islamic arguments so that we understand on what you base your "opinion"
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2010-03-10 17:09:00
Middle East and North Africaislamic marriage and recognized

Islam is a religion of ease if you do things correctly. Advising people to do a ceremony that does not constitute a marriage they can admit to freely is not Islamic. Such a marriage, unless recognized in Egypt, will not allow her to file a K3 or a CR1. In order for it to be recognized in Egypt, it would have to be registered with the state. Even in the Prophet's time, when he was head of state, there were bureaucrats that he assigned to take care of such administrative duties. People don't know this because they tend to think they were primitive, but they were not. They kept records of the goings on in the ummah. A fine example of that is the ahadith. Mary and Joesph had to pay taxes and participate in a census.

So, what do you do when you have a "marriage" that you cannot share with immigration? You pretend not to be married, then come to the US and marry for real? In a masjid, when you should already be married in Islam? Or, in a secular ceremony, which you register with the state after all? Come on. Marriage is not something to be cavalier about. If you are bond by something you cannot admit to when it counts, you are not married "in the eyes of God". You are in a fantasy. Don't treat Islam as a fantasy you invent as you go along. Do it right the first time, then you won't have to ask if what you do instead is ok.


All what you're saying is your: opinion, assumption, and personal conclusions.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2010-03-09 22:06:00
Middle East and North Africaislamic marriage and recognized

I know there are. I have been among them. My family is from Palestine. I am not a convert. I could be oldsofiyya lol



What I meant is: 1 Muslim/muslimah living among non Muslims in a remote village, where the closest mosque is at hundreds of miles.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2010-03-09 21:08:00
Middle East and North Africaislamic marriage and recognized

Another thing, one important piece of advice offered when one does one of these "Islamic marriages", then files for a K1 is that they are to deny to immigration authorities at the visa interview that they are married. men have been advised to remove their wedding ring. They may say that they had a ceremony, but if they say they are married, that is a bad thing because they are applying for a fiance visa, not a spousal visa.

So, if the "Islamic marriage" is something to be denied, it is clearly not public, as required, and not sanctioned by God, because those things which Allah has sanctioned, we have no reason to hide or lie about.

Click here for a very reasoned answer that includes reasons to legalize your union to the state. Muslims are to obey the law of the land we are in. If we don't encourage each other to marry in ways that are legitimized by Muslim scholars in their areas of the Muslim world where we visit and want not to do haraam, why do we then turn around to guide and encourage each other to obey the immigration laws of the US to get a K1 visa and marry here?


Let's put aside what people say and advise. That's not the topic, and to put it in simple words:
You can't ask for a spouse visa while you are Islamically married because the US does not recognize it as a marriage, but Allah recognize it. People do this marriage to be considered married in the eyes of God.

It's true that Muslims should obey the law of the land they live in, and the person who is asking wants to do just that. This kind of marriage is recognized as such in Egypt, I believe, and then when they will get here with their K1 visa they will get married according to the laws of the US.


Islam is a religion of ease not hardship.


Let's put aside what people say and advise. That's not the topic, and to put it in simple words:
You can't ask for a spouse visa while you are Islamically married because the US does not recognize it as a marriage, but Allah recognize it. People do this marriage to be considered married in the eyes of God.

It's true that Muslims should obey the law of the land they live in, and the person who is asking wants to do just that. This kind of marriage is recognized as such in Egypt, I believe, and then when they will get here with their K1 visa they will get married according to the laws of the US.


Islam is a religion of ease not hardship.



Also from the link you gave: it is not ADVISABLE for anyone to get married without legal paper.
That's just what I said previously.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2010-03-09 21:06:00
Middle East and North Africaislamic marriage and recognized

"Explain to us how your way offers protection and enforcement, also required by Allah. " I have no way, and it's not MY way. I think in my previous post I cited what most scholars consider an Islamic marriage.

Also you said that what I cited " It denies the glory of Islam, while elevating the importance of the requirements of a non-Muslim state over that of Allah," but actually what you are talking about in your post are the requirement of the state, the United States, because all what your talking about is marriage vs Visa, or if your marriage is not recognized by the US then it's no marriage. While what I posted was what most scholars consider the requirement of Allah.

What does it mean "the contract isn't enforceable" according to you. Marriage was meant to be a family matter, not a lawyer matter, that's why we require a Wali and 2 trustworthy witnesses, you added that it's no marriage if the contract enforceable, but it seems to me that's your simply opinion.
Reading you, one would thing there are no abused women in the US, just because they have a contract.



By the way if you think that in this time that people travel in jet, there are no Muslims leaving an remote villages then you're wrong.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2010-03-09 20:42:00
Middle East and North Africaislamic marriage and recognized

It's unIslamic to call yourself married if you have no way to enforce your rights and you can't get a spousal visa. If you are not married in a way that allows you to be considered married in the US when you apply for a visa, you are still doing unIslamic things. True Islamic marriage requires offer, consideration (the mahr) and acceptance, as well as the witnesses, but it's not a marriage if the contract isn't enforceable and provides no protection for the parties involved. Just writing it down doesn't offer any protection.

Any scholar with your best interest in mind will admit this to you. I have a Ph.D in Islamic law and history, and I work with a dozen scholars who have dealt with the fallout of such unenforceable "marriages" for decades. In this day and age, with people taking jets and cars to travel and meet, there is no reason to do a "marriage" that isn't really a marriage, then a K1 as if you reside in an isolated village. It denies the glory of Islam, while elevating the importance of the requirements of a non-Muslim state over that of Allah.



It is true.

Explain to us how your way offers protection and enforcement, also required by Allah. The offer, consideration and acceptance only covers the ceremony. What happens after when things don't go well?





"Explain to us how your way offers protection and enforcement, also required by Allah. " I have no way, and it's not MY way. I think in my previous post I cited what most scholars consider an Islamic marriage.

Also you said that what I cited " It denies the glory of Islam, while elevating the importance of the requirements of a non-Muslim state over that of Allah," but actually what you are talking about in your post are the requirement of the state, the United States, because all what your talking about is marriage vs Visa, or if your marriage is not recognized by the US then it's no marriage. While what I posted was what most scholars consider the requirement of Allah.

What does it mean "the contract isn't enforceable" according to you. Marriage was meant to be a family matter, not a lawyer matter, that's why we require a Wali and 2 trustworthy witnesses, you added that it's no marriage if the contract enforceable, but it seems to me that's your simply opinion.
Reading you, one would thing there are no abused women in the US, just because they have a contract.
oldahmedMaleCzech Republic2010-03-09 20:39:00
Middle East and North AfricaWhen Interviewing at Casablanca
Hello everyone,

I have not been active at all on VJ for awhile. But decided to just come check in. It looks like a lot of folks have posted good advice and replies to this thread. I just wanted to reiterate what others have said and share our experience - I'm not sure why it seem like many people are getting this 221g coming out of Casablanca. It seems strange, and perhaps the Embassy has a reason for doing this. When my husband went thru his K-1 interview there (granted this was in April 2004 - so a lot could have changed there since then), it was very simple and easy. Maybe he didn't get this woman that all of you are talking about - in fact I think it was a man who intereviewed him. But in my mind the reason why he had no issues is because our case was clear, not complicated, well documented etc...For those of you who might have more complicated situations (for whatever the reason), the more documentation the better obviously. And for your guys, they just need to go into the interview with a clear head and calmly. It is so hard to predict what they are going to ask you. My husband's interview was less than 10 minutes. They asked him basic questions - how he and met, confirm that we are getting married within the 90 days, and what he is planning on doing when he gets to the US for work. It seems like we were really lucky compared to the vast majority of you, who seem to be having to go thru this 221g thingy. I'm not sure why...it is strange.

Anyway - I wish all of you luck.
Sita
sitaseraNot TellingMorocco2006-03-24 12:27:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsDear CSC, can you please get your SHhhh*t together
{YOUR TIMELINE} Based on timeline data, your I129f may be adjudicated between December 23, 2011 and December 31, 2011*.

JULYs NOA1/NOA2 are just clearing since I just received my NOA2... Since you have no REFs, you should here something real soon.
vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-12-16 11:27:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
You posted on Dec 01 - your timeline reads Jan 15,2012,,,, NOA2 will be Jan... most likely before the Jan 15


Based on timeline data, your I129f may be adjudicated between January 15, 2012 and January 21, 2012*.

I already tried but i think its dont really works like that! :( :( :( :( :( :(


vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-12-25 06:31:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
YOU POSTED THIS DEC 8....


Based on timeline data, your I129f may be adjudicated between December 23, 2011 and January 1, 2012*.


I believe today is 10 days. How went the theory vacrimefighter?

(FYI: After reviewing your post I broke out paper & pencil and worked your theory for about 90 minutes. I finally decide it was a better use of resources to crumple up the paper and play basketball with the trashcan and stab myself with the pencil)


vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-12-25 06:28:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
If you following directions the first time, and included all documents required... My method of searching numbers work.

Post Decision Activity

On December 7, 2011, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I129F PETITION FOR FIANCE(E). Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service at 1-800-375-5283.

If you following directions the "first time", and included all documents required... My method of searching numbers work.

Post Decision Activity

On December 7, 2011, we mailed you a notice that we have approved this I129F PETITION FOR FIANCE(E). Please follow any instructions on the notice. If you move before you receive the notice, call customer service at 1-800-375-5283.



So what happens when you see a petition with a higher number than yours is approved and yours is still in the "initial review" status?

Or when other petitioners already have their visa and their status shows on USCIS.Gov as initial review?

Knock yourself out and track all the petitons on the site, but ultimately you will need Xanax for your efforts.

I'm not trying to disuade you from your effort if it helps you to pass the time but you will NOT find what you are seeking by perusing other petition case numbers on the USCIS site.


vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-12-08 05:58:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
So you got your paperwork back faster then the site updated. {THAT IS GREAT} Congrads


We got our NOA2 on Sept 19, but we didn't know until the 24 because even tho we signed up for that website and the emails, we never got anything until the hard copy. When I put in my receipt # we're apparently still in initial review :bonk:


vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-28 15:33:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
OMG are you kidding me all you non-believers :bonk: {I was just talking about NOA1 being approved} and maybe understand where your application may be in the process..

There is only two ways that I know of that gives you a 100% accuracy of your status on your application. 1) You receive notice by mail/email 2) Checking the website for an update.

ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY, by checking lower EAC numbers and higher EAC numbers then your number you can "KIND" of get an ideal of where they may be in the NOA1 process.

FOR ME: Some lower EAC numbers and some higher EAC numbers have been resolved or notices sent. My application (NOA1) is being worked on at this moment, and I feel my method I should see an updated status on my application within the next 10 days..

Either I will be right or come back to post I was WRONG...
vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-28 10:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
Word of the day "Guesstimate"

Guesstimate is an informal English contraction of guess and estimate, first used by American statisticians in 1934[1] or 1935.[2] It is defined as an estimate made without using adequate or complete information,[3][4] or, more strongly, as an estimate arrived at by guesswork or conjecture.[2][5][6] Like the word estimate, guesstimate may be used as a verb or a noun (with the same change in pronunciation). A guesstimate may be a first rough approximation pending a more accurate estimate, or it may be an educated guess at something for which no better information will become available.
vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-27 18:45:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
NO WONDER I CAN NOT FIGURE THIS MADNESS OUT : )

I calculated my NOA2 date using this simple USCIS workflow mathematical formula : Enjoy


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vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-27 17:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
I-129F (NOA1) "VETTING" process I would assume takes the longest of any forms submitted to evaluate. Some higher EAC numbers above your number may already been vetted "DENIAL" resulting in a notification sooner then your application because "your" application is on its way to being approved once they finish the process. Some higher EAC numbers are different application that were submitted resulting in a shorter turn around time.

"GUESSTIMATES" My I-129F (NOA1) has been filed for almost 4 months and it appears my case is being worked on as we speak based on EAC below and above my number.

I do not have all the answers - I read a lot of couples profiles and there seems to be a lot of stress with "WAITING" and wondering about the NOA1 being approved.
vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-27 17:26:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
Your right, maybe the word I should have used was "GUESSTIMATES" Gives couples at least something to gauge their application process. I understand they do not always go in order for different reason.
vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-27 16:42:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
I guess we are going to agree to disagree.. All I know is I been tracking my NOA1 and each day through the site. I can see updates being made with EAC numbers lower then mine. I will be glad to get back to you in 7-10 days, because that is when I figure my NOA1 will be approved.

It is just a process of helping couples get through the stress of the NOA1 to NOA2. It is not a solve all answer.
vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-27 16:32:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
Not "wishing" "WE" all get a EAC number. Just a way to see where USCIS is in the process with checking EAC numbers lower then yours. RIGHT now all you can do is sit and wait and wonder. This just gives a person some insight of the process.
vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-27 16:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsCHEATING checking your visa status
If you set up an account in I-129 Petition for Fiance(e) https://egov.uscis.g...d/CaseStatus.do of course you can check your status each day.

Example your number is EAC1190276990 I just checked EAC1190276971 which shows completed and they are now working on EAC1190276972 and up... so each day you can track others peoples status and see where your status is..

Really not cheating - just a way to track your visa application better..

Hope this helps : )

Edited by vacrimefighter, 27 November 2011 - 03:54 PM.

vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2011-11-27 15:49:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsHaven't been "Touched" yet... I-129F
You still have a few month wait...

Based on timeline data, your I129f may be adjudicated between March 18, 2012 and March 30, 2012*.

My petition was recieved on November 15, 2011. On the last update of my case it shows 11/18/2011. On the 18th of this month, my petition would have been in the hands of USCIS for 2 months. So why haven't i been... "Touched"... I see other people getting touched all the time, is my case non-touchable? Ugh...


vacrimefighterMalePhilippines2012-01-04 20:31:00