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You said she was getting her bachelor's degree. I think that will help also. The consulate will like to see that she's educated and can be productive over here in the US. Her being in school will go a long way to explaining why you've not seen each other a lot.

Good luck! I'm happy for you guys!

thank. good luck to you to with your K3.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-25 21:24:00

Thanks to all of you for the advises I feel better now. I would like to hear from a Moroccan petitioner or applicant with a similar experience to mine, what I mean by that is arranged marriage? thanks

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-21 20:52:00

QUOTE (TamaraLovesAdam @ Mar 21 2009, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

The Consular has a right to deny any case they feel like it, whether it makes sense to us or not. Its highly likely that they deny cases based on what they see as fraud OR lack of evidence. Its not a Right that a US citizen brings a spouse over, its a Priviledge. Gather as much evidence of your relationship as you can. Know each other well and make sure you have pictures together. If they ask her a question and she doesnt know or says something different from you, that wont be good for you both.

You right I think I just need to go with the flow and do what everybody does. If can't change the rules i have to go by theim.

thanks for the advise.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-21 09:46:00

thanks to everybody for the input, I talk to her everyday for at least two hours and I have prove of that. she is the primary beneficiary in my life insurance, we have two credit card joint accounts we don't chat that much because its not practical for her and if we do we just talk on MSN. Can I use members of my family to witness the ongoing relationship? am not bragging about my self do they take in consideration if a person is college graduated have a good job with the government, the house paid for, two cars paid for..... some body with all this won't get married for money nor risk everything he worked hard for for some pocket change. is this make sense to the consula!!!!
I wish I can just be my self with this whole thing and do what I want without having to explain my personal life, restrict my freedom that I believe and the constitution of US stands for.
Does the consula have a right to deny a case if some stupid evidence like chatting logs that anybody can type and print are not available? if yes does a US citizen or a tax payer have a right to fight back?

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-21 07:33:00

I went to Morocco last December to visit my family, then I decided to get married while I was there. I asked my family if they know any girl that want to get married, so they arrange me a date with a girl from my family (by the way she is not my cousin) but she is my seventh cousin. we have the same last name so she doesn't need to change hers make it easy for me,lol. when I left Morocco In 2001 I was 22 and she was 14 y old, but when I mate her after 7 years she looked totally different (grow fast) may be I got old too. Anyways we got married within a week 12-29-2008 the weeding party was postpone In till summer when I come back with enough vacation time plus she was busy with the exams for her bachelors degree. my problem is we got married but we didn't live together, no honey moon, I didn't even kiss her, we only took two pictures together, and we went out one time to buy her a ring with the presence of my two sister because my wife was too shay to go out with me, she told me don't embarrass me with my family.woooow. the point of my story is I was planning to do the weeding and the honey moon in the summer 2009, that way we would have enough evidence for the interview thinking the I-130 will take at least 1 year. I applied for I-130 on 02/2009 and I got approved 24 days latter. now I don't know what to do to get enough evidence if they ask for any, the only thing I have is the phone record from Verizon, we talk for hours every day! I don't know if that's enough or should I go to Morocco very soon (before the interview) and do the wedding and take pictures. I don't know if the consula will understand my circumstances.
Please help me out

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-20 23:35:00

Air flight information from Casa

try to use Moroccan air lines they are the best and very understanding. but when you get to JFK try not to use Delta they always have delayes (hours).
you will probably pay an extra $200 with Moroccan Air lines But it will save you a lot off time and Headech.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-28 15:40:00

need help

Thanks for responding, very usefull information.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-30 11:11:00

need help

I need help from members filing for Moroccan Applicants
I would like to make sure Casablanca, Morocco consulate is Appointment Post Embassy. if yes my wife in Morocco will have to send the original, Photocopy, and Translations of all the below documents with her DS-230, then latter she will need to provide the same documents to the Embassy at the day of the interview? also can she just send certify copies of all this documents so she wouldn't have to order them again for the interview.does she need to send the court record with DS 230?

1)Marriage certificate,
2)Police Certificate,
3)Four Passport size photos
4)passport biographic page (Photocopy)
5)birth certificate

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-28 18:37:00

OH MY GOD, HE GOT IT!!!

Congratulation

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-03-26 14:39:00

Friday-Yay!!!!

QUOTE (angie & abed @ Apr 3 2009, 08:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Morning everyone! Happy Friday! It is a yucky yucky day here today....rain, wind.....BLAH!

We live in a horribly boring place (near Lexington, KY)...poor hubby, he gets so bored but he is taking it like a trooper. I keep telling him we won't be here forever and things will improve. I wish I knew when though, I don't like it here either. Sometimes I regret quitting my job in NC to go be with him and his family for the 3 months, maybe things would be easier on us right now- money wise and boredom wise. But then I remember his mom and grandparents, and I know I did the right thing even if it sucks right now.

Anyhoo....y'all have a great day and weekend!

Do you live in Lexington, KY and work In North Carolina? those stat are too far from each other

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-03 15:14:00

QUOTE (dimanuni @ Apr 19 2009, 02:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I lived in Morocco for three years while serving in the Peace Corps, and I loved it. I liked it so much that I extended my two year commitment by a year.

I agree that Moroccan children are raised to respect their parents and to value family. I think those are wonderful things. But I also value how American children are taught to question things, challenge authority, and to become independent. People in authority, whether it be your parents or the government, are not always correct, and I think it's a good thing that they have to explain their decisions.

I would love to live in Morocco, but based on my experiences with the schools there, the public schools in a very small town, I wouldn't want my kids to go to school there. If I could afford private school, it would be ok, but not public, and definitely not for middle and high school. It's really difficult to pass the baccalaureate, only about 40% of those who take it each year pass it. There's got to be something wrong with the system if either only 40% of kids learned enough in high school to pass the bac. and cheating is pretty rampant.

anyhoot, those are my 2cents. I love Morocco, but there just are not the opportunities there as there are here.

and I love riads too!! and heat would be delightful even in the south. It was so cold in the winter near Marrakech. i used to sleep with fleeces on my whole body, 4 blankets, gloves, hat, scarves, hot water bottle, and still be shivering. yikes!

totally agree, I would like my kids to respect their parents and to value family and also want them to be able ask critical question.
the 40% you were talking about is just a barrier that the government put there(cota) to limit people from going to college, college is free and there is not enough seats for everybody VS the US the average student can get a high school degree then after that you are in your own to pay for college.
I went to public school in Morocco because my dad couldn't afford private school for all his 8 children plus in the 86 when I started school no there was no private schools. the only difference between me and the kids who went to private schools was the French language, they were good at it, that's it but when it comes to math and ph or science in general public schools are better, I remember in high school we use to compete a lot whose going to solve hardest math problems. when I came to the US I went to an engineering school and it was a peace of cake except some courses that requires high level of English.
Its up to the parent, kid himself and the envirment to determine if the child is going to succeed in school.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-19 02:08:00

QUOTE (morocco4ever @ Apr 17 2009, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What part of Morocco? I would want central air and heat (in the north). The language is my biggest fear however.

True language is a big problem at the beginning spatially the Moroccan slang because you can't learn it at school, and it little off from Arabic. I tell you one advantage most Moroccans speak more than one language and that should help.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-17 21:30:00

QUOTE (Kenza @ Apr 17 2009, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I might be a little selfish but I told my hubby I'm not going to Morocco unless we have our own house that I get to build (well design lol) and that we will not be seeing the family 24/7...we need date time!

I like the Riyad design like the one in Fez and Marrakech city houses, I like the gardens in the middle of the house. what can of design do you like?

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adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-17 21:17:00

QUOTE (MoroccanInTexas @ Apr 17 2009, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ladies and Gents

Adam I see that you like to push people's buttons

A ki hdo Rabbi a gma

Thats my job at VJ, do you think I'm good at it?

I like to miss with people and drag them to my network, but in my hearth I don't mean anything. I guess that my Moroccan bad sense of humors. And if the ladies pass this test they should be fine with there Moroccan husbands.
So far Kenza is the best so far since she start this thread she didn't say anything mean or bad to me and I think she passed the test and she will have a good successful marriage.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-17 20:56:00

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I'm only going to live ones in this life, so I chose whats going to make happy. good luck to you to.

Is that really what you're going to tell Allah (swt) on the day of judgment? Really?

It is quite obvious that his comment was giving Allah the virtual finger.

Wow... that is so sad to me. Muslim or not, people should never do that to God.

1 st of all out of respect lets keep Allah out if this conversation please? I'm not representing Islam or the Moroccan culture, I'm open to all kind of logic and cridical conversations
You girls are mean I didn't know what did I do to diserve all this from you, I know what can of people are you, I'm glad I'm not married to anybody like you and I really feel sorry for your spouses who have to deal with your big mouth everyday.
If I wanted to sleep with 1000 girls in 1 bed thats my business, and have nothing to do with anybody or this topic.

First of all, if you are Muslim, and there is no keeping him out of this conversation....and you know that full well. When you came into this conversation you had not one kind word to say about American women. So realistically who is the mean one? Perhaps you feel sorry for our spouses, but you must keep one thing in mind. Our spouses do not behave like you, therefore they have our 100% respect. I don't speak to my husband the way I speak to you because he doesn't behave like you...he is a true man.

Like I stated, I don't care how many woman you sleep with. But you were the one bragging about it on another thread, and then accused a sister of ours of sleeping with a thousand men. How hypocritical of you. You opened yourself up to this criticism, so take it like a man. You may feel sorry for our husbands, that is fine. But at least our husbands are not bragging about how many women they are sleeping with. Personally I think your wife deserves better. Shame on you!

That was another thread like you said and does not have anything to do with kenza post and if you want to talk about the other thread here you need mine and Kenza's permition.
You need to take it easy and be cool, you going to kill your self. people who have perfect relationship don't exist in this world or at least not so nereuse like you, I think you need a vacation away from your perfect husband, sorry you husband needs a vacation from you!!!!

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-17 14:12:00

QUOTE (adam1 @ Apr 17 2009, 08:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Best advise to Moroccan men who are Married to western women, do not try to compare your wifes to your moms sisters girls from Morocco? they are just different and its hard to change them. look at the positive side of the American women and live the rest behind.

I ment look at the good thing that the western women is capable of doing and live the rest behind.
whats wrong with that frase? I'm just trying to help based on my experience.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-17 11:47:00

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I'm only going to live ones in this life, so I chose whats going to make happy. good luck to you to.

Is that really what you're going to tell Allah (swt) on the day of judgment? Really?

It is quite obvious that his comment was giving Allah the virtual finger.

Wow... that is so sad to me. Muslim or not, people should never do that to God.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-17 11:39:00

Best advise to Moroccan men who are Married to western women, do not try to compare your wifes to your moms sisters girls from Morocco? they are just different and its hard to change them. Don't look at the positive side of the American women and live the rest behind.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-17 07:52:00

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What I love is the generalization that Moroccan men should beware of American women and Morroccan women are more desirable than American women in the long run...why?

Not all Moroccan men feel the same, or think that a woman should be a soldier on the army of her husband.

It is nice to see a man that choose his wife, not by his culture, but by his heart. Your wife is indeed a lucky woman.

But one thing that stands out. Why is it that some MENA men claim that American women are all tramps? I suspect it is where they hang out. If you hang out at clubs, which it appears by this particular poster (in a different thread) that he does, then of course you are going to find the wild women....that is what you were looking for after all, wasn't it. If you are looking for a good woman here you can find that. It all depends on what you want to find. What category does this place Adam in?

Sorry Adam, your "holier than thou" attitude just doesn't wash. If you want to be pointing fingers you should be looking in the mirror.

You don't have to go to clubs to get that impression. America's largest export is culture, thru tv shows, movies and music. If you grow up in a tradtional ME country, the way women behave and are portrayed in any of those is pretty rauch in comparison to your own. And, the sexual freedom western women have in relation to ME women, western women are easier and drop their drawers much more quickly and easily because the social stigma of doing so is far less, and the consequences are negligible. If you didn't grow up there, it may seem strange to think that way, but it is what it is.

This may be true, but I can only base it on where I live. You don't see that here as an everyday thing. Any where we go their are modestly dressed women, and families. But what is seen on TV, movies, and music is not the general behavior, but rather a facade. So if that is what they are basing it on it is not accurate. Also I still stand by the fact that they simply hide it better there. Not just the men, but the women. As much as a man tries to tell a woman that he can tell if she is a virgin or not, it just isn't true. Any woman could lie about it, and unless they actually saw the act they wouldn't know differently.

Adam has already shown his true colors in the OT thread. So yes, he looked for it and he found it.

I'm only going to live ones in this life, so I chose whats going to make happy. good luck to you to.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-17 07:48:00

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Adam, do you remember the case of the 68 year old woman in Great Britain who raised a ruckus there when left her husband for a 22 year old Moroccan? He is a friend of my husband. As far as we know, they are still together.

That's true love??

that's a smart man right there, her house is payed for, 401k is full, they will enjoy her retirment and they don't have to work.

after she pass a way he will be probably 32, then he can start his life again...

Define love for me, please.

I don't beleive love exist people just get use to each other thats it.
Mariage is just like a business you can lose or wing or break even and just hang in there

Insha'allah, you will learn to love your wife as you get used to her.

I will do my best to keep her happy, and i expect the same from her.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-12 15:37:00

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QUOTE (adam1 @ Apr 12 2009, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

A young farmer man marry a very old women so when she day he get to keep her cows, they had a drought, all the cows died and he kept the old women

You know that the Prophet married a woman in her 40's when he was 25.

Do you believe kaf'aa is required in pairing of couples?

He (SA3WS) didn't date her online. she asked him to marry him because he was AMINe, to protect her and money. like I said before Mariage is an opportunity and you fine what works for you.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-12 14:02:00

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That's true love??

that's a smart man right there, her house is payed for, 401k is full, they will enjoy her retirment and they don't have to work.

after she pass a way he will be probably 32, then he can start his life again...

Define love for me, please.

I don't beleive love exist people just get use to each other thats it.
Mariage is just like a business you can lose or wing or break even and just hang in there

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-12 13:57:00

A young farmer man marry a very old women so when she day he get to keep her cows, they had a drought, all the cows died and he kept the old women

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-12 13:53:00

QUOTE (Barza Woman @ Apr 12 2009, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's true love??

that's a smart man right there, her house is payed for, 401k is full, they will enjoy her retirment and they don't have to work.

after she pass a way he will be probably 32, then he can start his life again...

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-12 13:47:00

QUOTE (morocco4ever @ Apr 12 2009, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I puffy heart MorccanInTexas. You are one that proves that not all Moroccans are users and losers.

Did you buy it ?

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-12 13:08:00

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Adam,
the easy route( blond wife, diet cook, Double cheese Burger , DVR) comment may be a little bit too far.
I am not a lady, and I am Moroccan. However, your comment is offensive to say the least, and made the blood boil in my head. You may wanna be careful with your words next time.

ADAM

Can you please be honest and tell me why you didn't Marry a Moroccan girl?
Why should I marry a Moroccan? I married an American because I was ready to get married , and she was the one. And for your info I lived in the States legally, for four years before I met my wife, if that's what you are insinuating !!!!
Do you think they are not good enough? I have no problems with Moroccan ladies, in fact I have a social group on Face book, that is trying to show the good side of Moroccan ladies you may wanna go check it out " Femmes Marocaines, Notre Fierte"
and why you didn't stay In Morocco? Again too much questions, which is not strange from a Moroccan who is trying to know everything so that he can judge others I did not want to stay in Morocco, for many reasons. and for your info my family back home is considered middle class. However, i needed to get an education, learn a language, and see the new world, and break free....

Why are you on VJ anyway? if you are all set, and you decided to go to Morocco, and Moroccans are the only good ones for marriage ?

you came here probably as a student or tourist and you adjusted your status to get a green card based on your time line below brother. you didn't have two many options to stay here, that's way you got Married with an American, there is nothing wrong with seeking opportinities

so you are not 100% legal like you said, the differece between you and Latino's !!! you came in an airplane and they cross the borders walking. people from the middle class in Morocco don't have to immigrate to the US they fly every summer to Hawai have some good time and go back Mr middle class. I tell you one more thing in Moroccan language (Mol Lfaz Kay9faz). I hope you love the women that you are with now and don't leave her after you get your citizenship because thats what most guys do, then go Maried Moroccan girls, And that's wrong and

I'm at VJ because I'm a US citizen who came here legaly since day one with a lottery program who also want's to bring his wife from Morocco.
if you have personel problems take it some where else (find another post), we are here about Kenza post
if you have more question let me know?

Time line
Adjustment of Status
Event Date
CIS Office :
Date Filed : 2006-01-04
NOA Date : 2006-01-18
RFE(s) :
Bio. Appt. : 2006-02-08
AOS Transfer** :
Interview Date : 2007-01-04 Submit Review
Approval / Denial Date : 2007-03-12
Approved : Yes
Got I551 Stamp :
Greencard Received: 2007-03-26
Comments :

Adam,
First,You have issues bro...It was about Kenza issues till you decided to bring the blonds and diet coke to the equation...
Second, how dare you judge people you do not know. You won the lottery good for you. You are a US citizen even better, does that make you better than others ?
Third, you were talking about going back home helping the country and all that rosy speech, now you saying you will be bringing a Moroccan wife to start a life here. There is something wrong with your reasoning, do not you think ?
Bro let's get back to Kenza question

, instead of attacking others

I wan't her to come legaly get a citizenship then we will go back inshallah. I didn't attack anybody I was flowing with the logic. And tell me what did you have to say about Kenza's topic ? or show me one post u posted about her not me?

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-11 19:50:00

QUOTE (morocco4ever @ Apr 11 2009, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

So, Adam, what you are saying is that all Moroccans that marry an American only did so the obtain a green card? How is it that you are able to read their minds?

I guess my husband didn't get the memo. He has his 10 year GC, and has for quite some time, and is still here. I must straighten him out.

Oh, and being married to a blond is the "easy way"? I think my husband might tell you differently.

if your case is that way good for you.

I didn't make a blanket statement some marriages are real and not for any other reasons or benefets. but some are not and if you don't beleive me go to the consula in casablanca and you will see what i'm talking about 50 years old women marrying a 20 years old man comment don't tell me its love, thats what made it hard for people like me to bring there spouses faster.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-11 19:36:00

QUOTE (Astarte @ Apr 11 2009, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Adam, ever heard that variety is the spice of life? Perhaps MoroccanInTexas likes variety? Or perhaps he didn't just mess around with American chicks then turn around and demonize them like you have. I'm guessing by your attitude and your words that American women are good enough to have fun with but not good enough to marry. That's cool. American women like to "slum" it, too.

as long as both sides are happy and not taking advantage of the other person

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-11 19:17:00

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ADAM

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-11 18:40:00

QUOTE (MoroccanInTexas @ Apr 10 2009, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Can you please be honest and tell me why you didn't Marry a Moroccan girl? do you think they are not good enough? and why you didn't stay In Morocco?

I'm also asking the same question to all those beutifull who decided to Marry Moroccans, why did you make that kind of a dicision knowing your husband may get homesick and my want to go back....? why you didn't Marry someone from America that way you wouldn't be at VJ..? I need honest answers?
Everybody was attaking me because my situiation is diffirent and my answers were straight forword, and if you read the posts from the begining you will find that I was just replying to Kenza problem.

Please I want everybody to be cool. I love all of you American sisters and Moroccan Brothers and want everybody to have a happy Marriage and life.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-10 23:39:00

QUOTE (Astarte @ Apr 9 2009, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Since we're not generalizing how about we stop assuming that the US is a bad place to raise children since according to you most Americans have low morals. So when Mid Easterners behave badly there are crazy ppl in every country but when Americans do that means we have bad morals...in general.

I hate to argue but you do realize that we're American and saying that most of us have low morals and that *our* homeland is a bad place to raise children is offensive.

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we have thought about it for retirement but for now no. that could even change as retirement is along time away.

as for children respecting their parents....my husband daughter wont even call him daddy but his first name due to his ex wife's upbringing of the child. that is not respectable. he might not be her husband any longer but he is his daughters father and should be braught up knowing that. is this how nice muslim woman should be bringing up thier children? so u see ####### happenes everywhere and everyone....not just america.

Please lets not generalize there is crazy people in every country and religion if we continue to bring good and bad example we will never come up with a result, we want this to be a positive debate.
thanks

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Hi Kenza
I was just there four months last year. It is true that the time get longer as you stay, especially in the winter time. Ow, I love summer time in Morocco. However, with a job or business, it is great. Me, and my wife are definetly thinking about that, in the future though.

That's the thing though...in Morocco your either very rich with your own business or poor...the only motivation in me going there is to make a difference some how!

One of my wife condition to marry me was to go back to Morocco one day and raise our kids there, I agreed and I always wanted that. the main reason for that is to raise our kids based on Islam and Moroccan tradition, you grow up in the US and you know what happens to a lot of kids in high school( drugs, sex...) its not easy to raise kids in the US, Most of them have no respect for there parents, also think about the third generation and their kids. you are probably one of the lucky ones you were born and raise in the US and grow up as good Muslim, your father did a good job

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Its not easy to go back to Morocco, espestialy for you because your US is you home and you parents probably still live in the US verces you hubby's parents. if you love your husband you will be happy with him any where he goes. If he ask you this again tell him I will go to the moon with you if you decided so! what ever makes you happy!!

one more thing lets not jump to conclusion after he come over her he may change his mind like your dad

u r kidding right? i think u need to eat ur words and then come back and appoligize to me.

I apologize to all Americans including my self, I'm not trying to offend any body, I'm human and I do mistakes.
I came to this country with a college degree and I got another one here, I work hard every day, I pay almost $20000 in taxes a year and I don't get back non of it....I don't send money to Morocco I bought a house In NC and I spend every bit of it here....I go to Morocco and other countries every year to learn about other cultures. I didn't come to the US for money or to get citizenship, I already have residency of France from my father they have better social system than US . I came to the US for knowledge and to learn about the culture and it was a very good experience, I have more American friends than Moroccan, my best friend name is Robert he is 55 years old I went with him and his family to Brazil and we stayed in a bad neighborhood so we can learn about Brazilian people life... I learned that I can be poor and enjoy my life and I can be rich and said.
what ever you girls said about Morocco is true. Its my country and I believe its corrupted in low scale. I hate to talk politics but you know what can of corruption we got here in the US ( Washington) high scale corruption. Morocco is a third world country and it will be for a while unless people like me move over there try to change it it will stay that way. Morocco is improving very fast compare to the rest of the African countries, some body has to suffer to make the change, America was not like these when the pilgrims came over in the 16 century or just 40 years ago when the white men and black men couldn't use the same toilet. Morocco as a country never harmed any other country or trough a nuclear bomb on them. I don't like to talk politics please don't get me started.
hassan_debbie: your husband said he couldn't live there any more, ask him where did he grow up and spend his last 20 years also tell him if you get deported from US where would you go and of course no country would take him but Morocco, But know he have options and of course he will chose the easy route( blond wife, diet cook, Double cheese Burger , DVR)

I'm sorry if I offend anybody again I don't mean to do that? I just like critical thinking and I'm still in the US

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-09 19:54:00

QUOTE (Donna A @ Apr 9 2009, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Edited by adam1, 09 April 2009 - 03:11 PM.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-09 15:08:00

QUOTE (Astarte @ Apr 9 2009, 03:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thing is the family I talked about the kids were very closely monitored. The parents always knew what was going on. I saw it. Are you trying to tell me ppl raised in Morocco or other MENA countries all grow up with the highest morals and always do what "Allah" wants? I'm sorry but I must disagree. Now if you want to argue that you prefer them to grow up surrounded by the culture that's a better argument. I have this same argument with my husband.

Please don't assume that Americans only want their kids happy and they don't care about their future or their morals. High morals doesn't necessarily come from being Muslim or any other religion. Some of the least moral ppl I've known have been religious.

I'm not here to argue or push my idea I'm just just answering Kenza question and idea, we are all here talking about an important subject that concern millions of immigrants and there American spouses. I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but what work for you my not work for me or somebody else. at the end you do what works for you? and will do what works for me. My dad lived in France for 7 years and he went back to Morocco, took a huge pay cut, But it made him happy, good bless him with 9 kids all college graduates and five off married and happy, plenty of grand kids....what else. when we were kids we asked our mom to take us to France to live but my dad always refuse to talk about that subject and he was always against it. My dad still have friends that still live in France they come visit him every year and they always reminder him that he made good choose by coming back to Morocco because they compare his children to theirs and they can see the difference.

I don't know what to tell you, you are from here I think you should stay here and do your best and it will work for you. I'm an immigrant and I will always be no mutter how educated I am or how much money I make, I will always be asked where I'm from.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-09 15:00:00

QUOTE (sandrila @ Apr 9 2009, 03:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

ADAM 1

"to raise our kids based on Islam and Moroccan tradition, you grow up in the US and you know what happens to a lot of kids in high school( drugs, sex...) its not easy to raise kids in the US, Most of them have no respect for there parents, also think about the third generation and their kids. "

this is a valid point and one I agree with. I wish that their was more opportunity for either one of us there but there isnt. Living with his mother is not an option so we would have to be totally self sufficient, which, we can be here, but not there. I would have no qualms to live there but children are here and still need me too much. After some years of prosper here we can invest in a place there maybe and go back but I dont forsee us living there at least for another 8 years, minimal. We will just have to be content visiting.

I hear you Sandrila you have a different situation, if you got the idea it doesn't matter how long it's going to take, we may dies before we fulfill our dreams!!! But at least we are talking and thinking about it. My situation is different I have a house in Morocco and what's important both my family and my wife are over there.

Don't take me wrong I get annoyed when I go to Morocco for vacation, I always feel good when I land back in the US, but two weeks lather I get homesick again. there is no privacy in morocco everybody like to get in your business and show you what to do, but Guess what I want be listening or just accept it and think of it as a culture difference.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-09 14:31:00

[quote name='Astarte' date='Apr 9 2009, 12:59 PM' post='2822410']
I don't mean to butt in because this doesn't have to do with Morocco but it does have to do with Arab/Islamic culture. I know that everyone wants to raise their kids in a MENA country because the theory is that's the only way to ensure a child will be raised "right". I know a very lovely Arab/Muslim family who has raised their children here (4 children) and they turned out wonderfully. The oldest daughter is now almost finished with college after attending an Islamic high school/grade school. She has been married for two years. All of the children are very respectful and none of them have gotten into any trouble re: drugs, alcohol, premarital sex. It can be done here in the states.

I totally agree, It depends on the environment (parents, home life, friends, school).... I live in Raleigh NC we have big Muslim community and I see what's going on, a lot of kids will act good in front of there parents and when there parents a not around guess what.....I use to go to Friday prayers and meet a lot of young friend then meet them again Friday night at club nights or a bar. I always feel bad for doing that but they didn't...
I want my kids to grow up in Morocco then when they get older they can come to the state live or work or do what ever, I want them to have a solid ground and options.
As a Muslim I worry a lot about the future of my next generation, not like most American they just want to see there kids happy. I want to make sure Allah is happy first then my kids then me. That's my opinion.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-09 14:02:00

Morocco has change a lot lately and there is a lot of opportunities over there to. If you decided to go take a good degree with Bachelor and Up. or a big piece of change and you should be fine. tray to buy a house and a car before you decided to move. school system is free and the basic healthcare is either free or cheap. some people would say the school system over there is not good, but am a tell you based on my experience, I was an average student in Morocco, I pass High school with Passable means C average, But when I got when to college I was the first one in my promotion, I got all kind of scholarships and I got a job before I finish school. the only problem I had at that time was English, I understood everything But I couldn't talk. it took me a year..
Also if decided to move I'm not expecting people to trait me special or to have everything that I have here. I will be ok with anything. when I go on vacation I enjoy going to souk (market) walking everywhere, eat a lot of organic food, go to the beach and play soccer every morning...what I like the most is No Billlllllls no property taxes.
I did the math one time and I found if you house is paid for you will only need about $400 a month to eat and live if nothing out of the ordinary come up. my father has a family of 6 people and he only makes $350 on his retirement.
I know a guy who comes to the state for 4 months work hard save about $8000 and go back spend it.
its possible to go back

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-09 11:46:00

QUOTE (Kenza @ Apr 9 2009, 12:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

QUOTE (Abbas @ Apr 9 2009, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

That's the thing though...in Morocco your either very rich with your own business or poor...the only motivation in me going there is to make a difference some how!

one more thing lets not jump to conclusion after he come over her he may change his mind like your dad

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-09 00:06:00

DS-230

QUOTE (makaha @ Apr 20 2009, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Everything is right in the world!!! I called and was informed that NO TRANSLATIONS are needed IF the documents are already in ARABIC *and* the interview is in MOROCCO

She also said all originals will be returned to the beneficiary at the time of the interview.

It takes appx 2-4 weeks to review the documents then they are sent to consulate (as long as nothing is missing)....
Then the interviews are scheduled, MAY is already booked up so soonest it would be scheduled if they get stuff now is JUNE .... STILL..... its getting CLOSEEEEEEEE!!!!

Thanks for the information

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-20 18:36:00

DS-230

QUOTE (Kenza @ Apr 19 2009, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I was also wondering if we send the originals or the translations...becuase in my case some of our documents are in Arabic but we are going through France and we have English translations of the Arabic. Send arabic AND/OR translation originals ????

I think Because you are going through France you will Probably need to translate The Mariage certificate only and the rest of the document you can get it from Morocco in French language.

adam1

Male

Morocco

2009-04-20 11:14:00