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K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (Old Dominion @ Aug 4 2009, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (FROG @ Aug 4 2009, 07:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Old Dominion @ Aug 4 2009, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You simply need to write a letter (not notarized) requesting a waiver under IMBRA and giving some proof of what happened to #1. The USCIS will not blink at approving your petition, if the waiver request accompanies it, and unless you can't give evidence that you two have met within the last two years. THEN it will be up to USEM to ask all the tough questions about your romance, i.e., if it is bona fide, etc. That's where it will be a bit sticky, perhaps.

I think this is all you need to know. As to your choice of partner, think about the lesson you should have learned and then act.


Thank you ... So submit a "waiver" ? IMBRA ? How do I contact them? Who are they? What waiver?

I have the previous email comunitations between me and the local USCIS office that can be provided, I have the copy of my statement I sent to them as they requested that gives details of the events, I have a copy of the arrest record which all validate my reason for ending that relationship. I'm confident that I can provide proof as needed.

Also, I have met with my current Fiancee within the past 2 years even again just as late as three weeks ago with all boarding pass / hotel / tralvel / etc. to provide.

Thank you
God Bless
Robby


You submit a request for a waiver under the IMBRA as a simple 2-paragraph letter to USCIS, with whatever proof you offer stapled to it, accompanying your petition. It's just part of the I-129f package, and won't slow down the processing. Don't ask why....it's their regulation based on the fact that ordinarily, one can submit no more than one petition in a two-year period. You are asking them to waive that 2-year guideline.


Once again... Thank you for the information... this is what this site is about right... GREAT people helping others in need... GOD BLESS

Thanks again
Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 22:38:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (DanielParul @ Aug 4 2009, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good luck trying that logic with the CO at the Consulate interview. But then, not my petition! What do I care if you don't.


Hello Daniel... Well it is my petition... and I DO CARE !
Thats the reason I am on this GREAT site ASKING for advice...
Too bad there are so many on here more willing to tear down others who are honest and sincere about the proper use of this site...

God Bless you and your family
Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 22:34:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ Aug 4 2009, 06:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (*Len* @ Aug 4 2009, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WAIT. OP filed for Bachelorette #1, then backed down and filed for Bachelorette #2 and is now going to file once more for Bachelorette #1? I am very, very confused.


Len, Pay attention!!!!!!

Bachelorette #2 IS ACTUALLY bacherlorette #1, but she was busy or something...so Bachelorette #2 became bacherlorette #1 (pinch hitter of sorts) Now he is back to bacherlorette #1 and she is in her rightful place which makes everything clear to me and now I do not feel like the OP is jumping into anything too soon. I was confused also and thought he was just treating women like disposable objects but now he has explained it and I see that all is aligned as it should be, or should have been. I cannot imagine he would have any trouble with the consulate in Manilla.

Good luck Frog.


I was a bit disturbed at your first post... I am glad you read and understand. Thank you so much for this post ... I appreciate your kind words. I wonder sometimes if some of the posters here really want to help or if they just want to be heard...



God Bless
Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 22:31:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (Anh map @ Aug 4 2009, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (FROG @ Aug 4 2009, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd ask in the Phils regional forum for advice from Phils related folks. Good luck.

You have a link to "Phils regional forum ?

Robby



At the top of every VJ page you will see a tab labeled Forums.


Thank you, I guess I was too tied up in the posting area..
God Bless
Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 22:23:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (Brian&Naty @ Aug 4 2009, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (FROG @ Aug 4 2009, 05:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (baron555 @ Aug 4 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Well, FROG seems an appropriate handle. You jumped from the first relationship into the second relationship and then jumped from the second relationship back to the first relationship. Good luck Hoppy. whistling.gif .......(P.S. I am just adding a little humor to it in a nice happy way, ya, know, just tickling your rib.....bits devil.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif



Thank you Brian. I appreciate a little humor in all this. I hope that I will be as blessed as those of you who have completed the journey...

Anyway onward I go in spite of.... @#$^!@!
Thank you and the other serious post that I received..

God Bless
Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 22:16:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED

you have a beautiful family... congrats... i will pray for continued success..

God Bless
Robby

FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 22:06:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (thepizzadude @ Aug 4 2009, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This would mean with the math involved even if she arrived Feb 1st and left May 1st, its August 4th so only about 90 some odd days have passed and he's ready to petition a new fiance "I am ready to file a new K-1 immediately. I pray that I do not encounter any problems getting an approval for this new Fiancee'. I have ALL evidence needed and I am ready to file immediately"
Can anyone say whirlwind romance.
I'm not being judgmental, i'm just sayin'...

Good Luck in your new journey


Please don't jump to conclusions... my comment " I am ready to file a new K-1 immediately." seems to be taken out of context. the key word is "READY" ... I simply mean I have all documents and receipts etc. as required. I am trying to clear up in advance for the past mistake now so that I can file with no worries... I do not necessary mean file immediately today... only meant that I have everything else in place ... nothing else to work on but the excess baggage...


FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 22:00:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (Old Dominion @ Aug 4 2009, 06:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You simply need to write a letter (not notarized) requesting a waiver under IMBRA and giving some proof of what happened to #1. The USCIS will not blink at approving your petition, if the waiver request accompanies it, and unless you can't give evidence that you two have met within the last two years. THEN it will be up to USEM to ask all the tough questions about your romance, i.e., if it is bona fide, etc. That's where it will be a bit sticky, perhaps.

I think this is all you need to know. As to your choice of partner, think about the lesson you should have learned and then act.


Thank you ... So submit a "waiver" ? IMBRA ? How do I contact them? Who are they? What waiver?

I have the previous email comunitations between me and the local USCIS office that can be provided, I have the copy of my statement I sent to them as they requested that gives details of the events, I have a copy of the arrest record which all validate my reason for ending that relationship. I'm confident that I can provide proof as needed.

Also, I have met with my current Fiancee within the past 2 years even again just as late as three weeks ago with all boarding pass / hotel / tralvel / etc. to provide.

Thank you
God Bless
Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 18:19:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (*Len* @ Aug 4 2009, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
WAIT. OP filed for Bachelorette #1, then backed down and filed for Bachelorette #2 and is now going to file once more for Bachelorette #1? I am very, very confused.


Thank you
God Bless
Robby

FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 17:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
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I'd ask in the Phils regional forum for advice from Phils related folks. Good luck.
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You have a link to "Phils regional forum " ?

Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 17:51:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (baron555 @ Aug 4 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please give me any advice or help if you can... God Bless


OK, you asked. You had a previous relationship fail because you did not know about her anger management issues. Obviously one may conclude that you did not have a deep enough relationship for this to come out.

Now 3-4 months after the first (unless you were seeing the second while with the first) you want to marry again. How do you know you have a bonafide relationship with this woman? Is there a major issue with her that you haven't had the time to uncover? How long did you date the first?

My advice, take it easy tiger and relax for a year. Let the relationship develop. Like I said before, the small gap in time between the two will most likely be questioned at the interview, especially from her country.



Thank you... I understand your advise, and do appreciate it. I have already considered that. But as you can see, I have decided to proceed... after all I am thinking along this line... there is at 5 months or more wait before any possible interview from the time I file... then the petition will be valid for additional 6 months and then an additional 90 days(3 months) before we would reach a possible deadline... so considering if we plan this right, Not rush here right after an issuance of VISA, and Not getting married the moment she arrives... we will have more than 1 1/2 year (ALL THIS IN ADDITION TO OUR PREVIOUS TIME TOGETHER) to develop deeper and if we feel positive at the end of the deal line... we will be ready to marry without waiting for filing and approval times... Hope this looks a bit clearer?

Thanks again
God Bless
Robby

Edited by FROG, 04 August 2009 - 04:55 PM.

FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 16:50:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (baron555 @ Aug 4 2009, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Please give me any advice or help if you can... God Bless


OK, you asked. You had a previous relationship fail because you did not know about her anger management issues. Obviously one may conclude that you did not have a deep enough relationship for this to come out.

Now 3-4 months after the first (unless you were seeing the second while with the first) you want to marry again. How do you know you have a bonafide relationship with this woman? Is there a major issue with her that you haven't had the time to uncover? How long did you date the first?

My advice, take it easy tiger and relax for a year. Let the relationship develop. Like I said before, the small gap in time between the two will most likely be questioned at the interview, especially from her country.




I thought I was asking for info about filing .... ??? blink.gif

Anyway... To appease the few peoples questions above >>> offtopic45vn.gif I already knew the current person that I am with now... before meeting the one I filed for already. We, the one I'm ready to file for now, decided together in the past to hold off for a time... crying.gif crying.gif meanwhile... I met the woman that I filed for. So we do already have a relationship with some foundation from the past... So I already know her character as she knows mine also... It's not like we JUST met ! We have "reunited".. heart.gif she and I are both ready this time to proceed. Thank you for your desire to know me on a more personal level. no0pb.gif

I appreciate those of you here that have have offered good help and advice... THANK YOU smile.gif good.gif
So I would still like to leave MY QUESTIONS OPEN... Is there anyone that can offer me advice on MY QUESTIONS? helpsmilie.gif

God Bless
Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 16:30:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
QUOTE (MikenKyhen @ Aug 4 2009, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Haole @ Aug 4 2009, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When I went for my second lady's visa USCIS informed me I had to sent them a notarized letter withdrawing my first petition. Did so and got a cancellation notice from them and went ahead with success woth my second petition.

Just checked with my brother. He had to do that too but had no problems with his second petition. good.gif


Thank you for the info... This leads me to now ask,
"Do I send this notorized letter of withdrawal for first petition" seperate ( if so, to who/address?)
or do I include it with this I-129F filing?
And is this what they are asking for or in adition to what they are asking for in the lower portion of I-129F

But do I even "need" to "withdraw" something that has already EXPIRED?

Robby
FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 13:50:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling for 2nd K-1 ADVICE NEEDED
My K-1 was approved. She arrived here (USA) in Feb 2009. The relationship failed ... she had an anger management problem. She would scratch, hit, slap, bite when she became angry(6-7 total). So bad that the last time she was seen abusing me, the law was called and she was arrested. I bailed her out of jail. She is now back to her country. She returned to Philippines the day before her her VISA expired. The local USCIS had me submit her "arrest record" and "photos of abuse" and a "personal statement" which I complied. They told me I did not need to file or contact any other USCIS, NVC, or EMBASSY to clear myself from her so that I can be FREE to petition my new Fiancee. This VISA expired so I think there is no problem filing for someone else...

Now MY QUESTIONS:
I am ready to file a new K-1 immediately. I pray that I do not encounter any problems getting an approval for this new Fiancee'. I have ALL evidence needed and I am ready to file immediately. Does anyone know for sure if I need to contact anyone ( USCIS, NVC, or EMBASSY, etc. ) before hand to eliminate possible delays? I see in the bottom half of I-129F that I need to submit a statement about any previous I-129s filed within the past 2 years... What is the best advice for me in my situation??? Please give me any advice or help if you can... God Bless

FROGMalePhilippines2009-08-04 12:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresIs this a meeting proof?
Oh! yes, absolutely, i have all kind of photos taken during 4 years of relationship, we lived together, never married, because i knew what it was coming...my worries were wether my cuban passport with the visas/entries to Brazil were a valid proof of meeting her frequently or not! and by the way... Thanks for the ups
RamonbrausaMaleBrazil2009-08-23 17:42:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresIs this a meeting proof?
Hello y'all.. I am new around here, and i am loving this forum, it provides so much information...now i have a couple of questions here, i haven't filed a petition yet for my fiance, she is from Brazil, and i am a naturalized US citizen originally from Cuba, and before getting my US passport, i went to Brazil a couple of times, the last one being within the last two years, but i went before as a LPR (US Legal Permanent Resident) using my Cuban passport, of course i have all the visas, immigration stamps from Brazil, which will be what the USCIS request as one of the "meeeting evidence" my question is: IS THIS GOOD ENOUGH? or i still would have to engage into another journey? this time using my US passport, yeah! i know what you all might be thinking, Wow!! a 5 years relationship? it's actually more than that, since i previously live for 5 years in Brazil after leaving Cuba, and we've been into this relationship for 9 years now, it's crazy, it sounds crazy, and we are kind of desperate now..the waiting has been too long, even when i have visited her over there and got to spent like 5 month each time, very affected economically, but it was worthy...quality time in the good ones and the bad ones...right?

Edited by Ramonbrausa, 23 August 2009 - 02:15 PM.

RamonbrausaMaleBrazil2009-08-23 14:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresPermission letter
QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ Jun 7 2009, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Charles/Gabriella @ Jun 7 2009, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wish I had known Gary's advice before we hit this situation. I think it would have helped a lot. We are in a similar situation, but I think all the ex wants is to make Gabriellas life difficult.


No. He wants a bigger bribe. The saying "We KNOW what you are , now we are just establishing a price" comes to mind


QUOTE (JimVaPhuong @ Jun 7 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ Jun 6 2009, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ex husbands in Russia and Ukraine tend to be drunk abusive, self centered jerks, other wise my wife would be his wife still. His loss, I assure you. They are usually interested in the source of their next bottle of vodka. Obviously not in their children, though they will occasionally actually pay child support, as in the OPs case. It isn't much, but it is many bottles of cheap potato vodka and they understand THAT


Ex-husbands in Vietnam tend to be the same way, and my fiancee's ex is no exception. smile.gif


And I say...... "Thank you God!" Without dumb@ss ex husbands drinking away the world's best women...where would that leave us? LOL


But some of the women drive their men to drink... blink.gif

SuperDuper!Male02009-06-07 10:16:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Proceduresucis customer service
QUOTE (Shad and Dani @ Jun 19 2009, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It looks like we are in the same situation as you. 5 1/2 months and nothing! At least the CSC has a shorter waiting period than Vermont. When you call "customer service" you are actually calling a call center that is located nowhere near the actual service center. The few times I have called they just read directly from the website, not even trying to hide the fact their reading from a script. So we still wait. In the mean time I am composing draft letters to my congressman and senator. We are optimistic, but we have to be prepared. smile.gif



Dont forget to notify Army, Navy, Airforce and Marines while you are at it? kicking.gif kicking.gif


SuperDuper!Male02009-06-19 21:43:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresImportant Advice for NEW K1 Filers
Your traditions aint gonna get you a petition. Follow the rules and wait in line like the rest of us! kicking.gif kicking.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-06-20 23:37:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSnail Mail -- Does My Fiancee Need to Send me snail mails?
Yes, many couples here have been asked at the embassy if they have any cards or letters from their loved one.

Besides, its fun and romantic to send and receive and old fashioned letter or card. It shows you care! kicking.gif kicking.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-06-25 23:09:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresHe is 65 and She is 23
QUOTE (jundp @ Jun 30 2009, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (itzallgood @ Jun 29 2009, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Age is just a number. It does not impact the visa.


It shouldn't, but unfortunately it all too often does.


Letz see some statistics to back your claim, plz. Nowhere in USCIS petition/visa requirements does it mention age as a exclusionary factor in petitioning a person of majority age. whistling.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-06-30 02:08:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresHe is 65 and She is 23
Age is just a number. It does not impact the visa.
SuperDuper!Male02009-06-30 01:35:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresJust got layed off ,, K1 pending now what???
QUOTE (Leo&Farah @ Jun 29 2009, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry to hear about this.

Have you tried looking on craigslist for jobs? No idea which part of Kentucky you are from but saw a few transportation jobs listed there.



That Craigslist is making a LOT of bad headlines lately for criminal activity. Id stay away!
SuperDuper!Male02009-06-30 01:33:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresWhats the hardest part
Didn't a guy named Tom Petty have an opinion on just this very matter??

SuperDuper!Male02009-06-29 15:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedurestraveling to the US while waiting for fiancee visa
DOnt mind the haters. Hope she is in your arms sooon!
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-03 23:07:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresNot Divorced from Ex when we met....
QUOTE (WhidbeyGirl @ Jul 4 2009, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Same situation for me. We met about a month before I filed papers for divorce. But my ex was in prison so I don't anticipate any issue.



For singing out of tune in the church choir, we're sure blink.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-04 19:28:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Proceduresdivorce decree document
Get a certified copy of divorce decree, just to be sure. In Visa/Petition matters, don't be afraid to do a little overkill devil.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-04 19:25:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 visa lawyer?
OK, here is the sane advice that you have been waiting for. If you feel you would like the assurance of being able to obtain legal advice on specific immigration/visa questions or issues when they occur, the compromise move here is to get a Pre-Paid Legal plan.

I have one, and have well gotten my money's worth by the 5 times I have called to the atty. Besides immigration issues, the Pre-Paid Legal lets me sleep better at night knowing that I can call an atty 24/7 at no charge for any legal issue, other than the $26/month I pay for a family plan.

The Plan has come in handy on numerous occasions. In todays litigious society, it makes a lot of sense to me. Feels so good to be able to say, "Let me consult with my atty and I will get back to you."

Edited by itzallgood, 12 July 2009 - 09:07 PM.

SuperDuper!Male02009-07-12 21:06:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 - California vs. Vermont
QUOTE (rebeccajo @ Jul 12 2009, 07:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It comes and it goes. No rhyme or reason.



You can say that again. They REALLY processed you quickly. Does this happen that NOA2's are sometimes issued so lightning quick?
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-13 16:37:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresDoes divorce have to be final to do k-1 visa
QUOTE (kayandnigel @ Jul 18 2009, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My divorce was only final one month before we filed our K1 but we ended up getting an RFE I dont know if that had anything to do with it, oh ###### now I sound like a conspiracy theorist whistling.gif




And whatz wrong with being a conspiracy theorist?
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-18 11:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresDoes divorce have to be final to do k-1 visa
What no one has mentioned here, is that your divorce decree be a "certified copy" from the courthouse where your divorce was filed. I know there are a lot of geniuses here, but they can't catch everything. Best of luck to you. kicking.gif kicking.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-17 22:47:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresHow long you have to know your partner
QUOTE (homey @ Jul 21 2009, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How long you have to know your partner before you can file K-1?



Itz a subjective area when it comes to embassy interview. THe more you can convince the consulate officer that you are marrying for love, and not a green card, then the better chance you have of being approved. Every step of the way, collect evidences that your relationship is genuine. Now, let the noobz tell you what evidence to collect. I will leave some things unsaid so others can participate in the conversation. Nothing worse than a Know-It-All, and Lord knows who they are!

Good luck in YOUR Visa Journey! kicking.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-21 21:43:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresWhen is it safe to set a wedding date?
Everyone is repeating the same thing. Here is some useful info. The Petitioner can do some advance planning. Likewise, the Beneficiary can be lining up someone to make wedding invites. Have "big details" arranged (price comparison, selection of hotel, photog, guest list drawn up, etc. THEN when beneficiary is on her way, the wedding date can be set, and plugged into all the previously made details. Of course, you have a plan B , for photog, for example, is she is not ready on your wedding date that you just sprung on her.

You can do so much advanced planning without having an actual wedding date. So this will likely keep you both busy even needing time to catch your breath before setting the small and final details needing an actual wedding date to proceed with.

Good Luck! kicking.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-21 20:27:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedurespictures--photos
QUOTE (Haole @ Jul 27 2009, 10:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My fiance was denied the first time I petitioned. The reason was for not enough pictures. We had 2. One with us holding a newspaper. I thought you only had to prove you met in person. Not that you had a loving bonafide relationship.
In the rejection letter they stated they wanted to see pictires with me, her and her family.
CO checked out phone records and the pictures and said "Welcome to the US".


Yes, I've heard of many cases similar to yours. This is where the SUBJECTIVE interpretation of pics take place. One VJ'r recently was RFE because the CO at the USEM said her pics did not show togetherness, smiling and having fun, as a couple in love behave. So besides having pics of standing like a statue holding a newspaper, the couple needs to convince their relationship is based on love, closeness, family and all those SUBJECTIVE type things that seasoned CO's know to look for--and will DENY you and SURPRISE you because they CARE about stopping phony Green Card Hunters from entering the USA. Best wishes to you! star_smile.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-27 16:00:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedurespictures--photos
QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ Jul 27 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Jauque @ Jul 27 2009, 12:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pictures are secondary evidence. Secondary evidence is only needed to suppliment weak primary evidence. I would not wait to submit your packet because you don't have any pictures. On the long shot that you do get an RFE, make it your intention to take a trip to the phillipines sometime between now and your expected adjutication date. That way even if you do get an RFE you're going to waste less time than if you put the whole thing on the shelf and waited to submit until you had picture.

See my signature for a better explanation of exactly what the adjuticator's are looking for and what baring country of the beneficiary has on the USCIS portion of this process.


Jaque

There are couple of flaws in your reasoning. "secondary" does not mean it is "not needed" or only in the absence of primary evidence. It means it is evidence you produce and/or could alter and therefore is not accepted in itself. The requirement is to provide evidence of meeting in person at least one time within to years PRIOR to filing the petition. There really is NO guide which says "you must have this or that". We see from many people's experience here that many people are asked for further proof of meeting in person, it is IN FACT the number 1 reason, by far, for RFEs on K-1 petitions. You and a few other people either got lucky or had very clear and compelling primary evidence (baording passes on the same flight or joint hotel bills would be pretty strong and the OP does NOT say he has these, he says he has nay boarding passes and itineraries, but itinerieries are not accepted as primary evidence as they are not proof of travel) IF they do not accept his primary evidence only as adequate proof (and you nor I have any way to say if they will) then he cannot just run back and produce photos from before he filed the petition. It isn't like providing a signature or something. The photos do not exist, they can never be MADE to exist in the future once he files the petition. He takes a signifgant risk of having big problems or ultimately having to re-submit after months of delay and loss of $455. That is a fact. Nothing you or I say can change that, doesn't matter what you think, I think or anyone thinks. If the adjudicator does not think it...he loses. And it is a fact the consulate (and Manilla and a few others are known for this) can reject it, send it back and ask for it to be re-affirmed. That can add many more months and we see that often enough that there is a forum for it.

The prudent and safe thing for the petitioner to do is go back to PI and have some fun with his fiancee for a few days and bring the camera this time. Any other process is very risky. The OP can pay his nickle and take his chances.


Thank you for bringing some sanity here.

This is such a well thought out reply to the erroneous notions floating out here that fotos are not important as evidence.

Forget what the official rule book says about so-called "secondary evidence." What matters is the Counsulate Officer seated in front of you during your interview. He is going to approve or deny your visa ultimately ON A SUBJECTIVE BASIS. It is at his or her discretion to issue you a visa or not. Also, your Visa only provides you the privilege of meeting with the DHS officer at your POE to determine if he or she will let you in the country. This officer reserves the SUBJECTIVE right to turn your butt around back to your country.

If you don't have pics, like 99/100 visa applicants do at the interview, then you are going to be looked upon with suspicion, and have an uphill fight to win your visa. Why not have pics? Digi-cams are inexpensive, and you can snap 10 or 1000 pics at the same price?

It is a flimsy position to take a stand and say pics are not important or necessary to win your visa.

Alas, some people just like to do things the hard (headed) way in life.

Work smart, and then hard!

Peace.

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SuperDuper!Male02009-07-27 11:54:00
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I did read the embassy experience of someone who, with his fiancee, took plenty of pictures the day before their interview. They put on diff outfits and took them in diff places, then went to a 1 hr photo development lab. That could be your last resort if you don't have any before the interview.


and that is why i think the idea that using pics as evidence of a bonafide relationship is garbage for precisely that reason



It doesn't matter what you think. IT matters what the CO thinks sitting in front of you at the interview, and he or she wants and expects to see PICS.

Play the game smart, or get hurt, the old saying goes. THe choice is up to you.
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-27 11:08:00
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I can't believe people are saying it is fine to not submit any fotos as proof of meeting the person.

Do these people like to dance on a tightrope without a net as well?

THen, you have folks here saying/promoting faking fotos with fotoshop, and even assuming the CO's can't tell the difference.

And then, you even have people promoting to illegally download the software in order to fake the fotos in an attempt to defraud the Embassy Counsulate.

How about this: Go visit your bride to be, take plenty of pics, have fun doing it, then come back home and file your 129-F legally and feel confident in getting approved. wacko.gif
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-27 10:19:00
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it may not be ethical...but theres always photoshop.... u can probably even download an illegal copy of it devil.gif


Don't you think that the Counsulate Officer's receive a training or two in identifying faked fotos?

My guess is that they can spot one a mile away. Your advice, even in humor is atrocious. Faking such fotos is immigration process FRAUD. And they won't take kindly to it, or think that it is funny.

You might as well make a bomb joke, or say HI to JACK in the airport, because you will likely get the same response from the authorities.






Actually no i do not think they receive training. Do you actually think they inspect photos? As said before by other posters, photos are secondary evidance. The OP already stated that he has has travel intineraries with both of thier names on it, so i dont think they would really look into the photoshoped pictures too much. By the way i make bomb jokes everyday at work. I load them on fighter planes for a living but thanks for your insight.


Ok, great, thanks for the new reality update. Letz review:

1) CO's at the embassy can't tell faked fotos, and they don't really matter as evidence anyways, so why bother, and even if you fake a few, your other evidence will clear you of any sin, and the CO won't get suspicious of your petition in the least.

2) Itz ok to make bomb jokes at the commercial airport, just tell them later that you work for the Navy and load bombs onto the fighter jets.

You are a bold (wo)man, and live life on the edge. How we envy your greatness.




SuperDuper!Male02009-07-26 23:15:00
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it may not be ethical...but theres always photoshop.... u can probably even download an illegal copy of it devil.gif


Don't you think that the Counsulate Officer's receive a training or two in identifying faked fotos?

My guess is that they can spot one a mile away. Your advice, even in humor is atrocious. Faking such fotos is immigration process FRAUD. And they won't take kindly to it, or think that it is funny.

You might as well make a bomb joke, or say HI to JACK in the airport, because you will likely get the same response from the authorities.




SuperDuper!Male02009-07-26 22:52:00
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How could you not have photos taken together? It's easy to do self portraits. Any normal couple who are so far apart would want photos together. Seems odd.

My fiance and I spent two months together and have 8GB worth of photos of us together. But then again, she's a photoholic.



I find it very odd, too, that even Pinay did not take pics. Most every cell phone has a cam these days. Crappy low-resolution pics are better than none.

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I had NO photos to submit with our K1. Nada. Zip. They are secondary evidence.

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did not know anything about the visa process before my first visit, but now learn they want photos of us together ,i have none. i have about 5 of her and 3 of her family, i talked to someone at olvis travel &visa he tells me to say camara was lost or stolen . what should i do?? can i get by with the ones i have , or do i give up????? crying.gif


Photos are evidence that you two have met each other. Don't know if you can get away with it.


We did just fine without any at all.



The Invisible Man also did well without any pics, so don't feel alone.
SuperDuper!Male02009-07-26 22:22:00