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CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (thetreble @ Oct 23 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Where are you living that your mortgage payment is far less than $1000/month + taxes, living expensive, etc.? If you have to borrow the money, that 's probably what you should do. In fact, you should be able to borrow against your house.


We live in a very small town, mortgage is pretty low for everyone here.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 16:46:00
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QUOTE (thetreble @ Oct 23 2009, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We married out of love, nothing else. I know that no one believes me when I say this, but we were not even aware of the immigration procedure. We (foolishly) thought that getting married would be enough.

(It was birth certi. and health card, btw). While I don't have proof that I came in, I do have proof that I intended on going back. I have an affidavit from someone I was planning to move in with. It's not much, but it's all I have.

And believe me, I would love nothing else than to hire a lawyer, but we don't have the money.


I believe you 100%. I married out of love too. I would have been crazy to get married for any other reason considering the circumstance. It's also completely understandable you were not aware. However, I believe you soon became aware of the rules and I think you just haven't filed due to $$. Unfortunately, this process is expensive no matter which way do it. Do you think you be able to afford the process now? In all honestly, it's not just going to be the forms...there are other financial things involved you will have to pay out of pocket for.


Well, we have two options. Money wise. We have just paid off a debt that my husband had. So, we can either borrow the money now (I belive 3k is the amount we were aiming for). OR.. and please, don't bash me, this is just something that came up while we were brainstorming. OR... we wait one more year. In that time, the house will be paid and we will have more money every month.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 16:27:00
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QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kitty, have you and your husband discussed the possibility of a ban? If you ended up getting the ban, would he be willing to go back to Canada with you?


We have, but we consider it a plan B. For now, the important thing is to get this resolved. If we can.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 16:22:00
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QUOTE (thetreble @ Oct 23 2009, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I highly doubt they have a record if you came in with a driver's license, but that's just my opinion and certainly not the a fact.

You can't go back home and come back because they wouldn't let you back in. So, I don't suggest that either. It's fine and well to solve one thing at a time which is good. However, I think for yourself once you try to solve one thing, you are going to find 10 more things that will make things more complicated. In fact, you may want to look at getting a lawyer if you are having a really hard time.

It matters when you got married because if you entered the US as a visitor on say, Jan 1st, and were marred by the second week of Jan. 14th, you are going to have a hard time proving you didn't commit fraud. I married my husband 5 months after I got here as a visitor....not because I wanted to but because our lawyer encouraged us to do it this way. He said, and again his word is not God's, that if we married too soon our case would have a whole new light shred on it because we would just be screwing ourselves.


We got married 6 months after I came in. We married out of love, nothing else. I know that no one believes me when I say this, but we were not even aware of the immigration procedure. We (foolishly) thought that getting married would be enough.

(It was birth certi. and health card, btw). While I don't have proof that I came in, I do have proof that I intended on going back. I have an affidavit from someone I was planning to move in with. It's not much, but it's all I have.

And believe me, I would love nothing else than to hire a lawyer, but we don't have the money.

Edited by Kittyfang, 23 October 2009 - 04:16 PM.

KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 16:15:00
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QUOTE (thetreble @ Oct 23 2009, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It is actually more bad than good. They have no record of you coming to the US. I had a lawyer when I filed my AOS paperwork and he said that if I hadn't had my plane ticket stub, I'd have a hard time proving when I entered the US and this could cause problems for me. Just because there is nothing you can do about having no proof of entry, it doesn't mean the fact that you don't just gets put aside and you are okay. Again, if you even had a document like a passport, they could probably trace the document number to when you entered the country if you needed proof.

I didn't call you a name, I said you were annoying. They are two different things. You are asking questions over and over again in the multiple forms. You are essentially trolling a message board and it's bad etiquette. Whether you are understand that or not, that's not my problem.

We all make mistakes, and I feel bad to some degree that you have literally put yourself in a place that you can't get out of. Not too many of us here can say that we can't go home to get things straightened out and I hope that this experience teaches you some responsibility about life in general and also to never go anywhere without something like a passport.

When did you enter the US and what day did you get married?


I'm curious. What does it matter when I came in or got married?

Seems to me like, I should try and solve one problem, not dig out new ones.

Hell, if they can't prove when I came in, I should just freaking go back home and come back right?

I'm pretty sure they have SOME kind of record.

Edited by Kittyfang, 23 October 2009 - 04:02 PM.

KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 15:59:00
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QUOTE (thetreble @ Oct 23 2009, 02:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kitty, while I still think you are annoying, it is apparent to me that you are incredibly worried as you should be.

I really hope you can get it straight and I think you should apply for the passport. I don't think you should apply for AOS until you have a passport but that is just my opinion. I really don't see how you will be able to see this process through without a passport. Especially because of how you entered, which they have no record of, they aren't going to let you off with some expired documents.

When I came to the US as a visitor and then married a few months after that, I had my plane stub of my entering the US. That is what I used to determine my length of stay on my AOS application.


I'd rather be annoying and ask questions and try to find a way out then not say anything. That's just me. We were all playing nice here, there's no need for name calling.

The passport, I will most likely file for. If they deny it, I will speak with the consul and take it there.

However, I came here by land, I did not receive and I-94 and nothing was stamped. That, in itself, isn't bad, or good. It's just how it is. They didn't require passports and they didn't issue I-94. There's nothing I can do about that.


KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 15:45:00
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QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No they can't touch your husband. Don't worry.


Thank you. I would rather work off the debt in a quarry, breaking rocks... like in the old movies than have this mess reach my husband.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 15:19:00
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QUOTE (Inky @ Oct 23 2009, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Cincinnati, OH.
The address is: USCIS Application Support Center 550 Main Street Room 1524 Cincinnati, OH 45202-5298.
Cleveland, OH.
The address is: USCIS Application Support Center Anthony J. Celebreeze Federal Building 1240 East 9th Street Room 1259 Cleveland, OH 44199-2085.
Columbus, OH.
The address is: USCIS Application Support Center 50 West Broad Street Leveque Tower Suite 650 Columbus, OH 43215-5903.


heres the info i found but if you go here it shows a little more if you click the links to the places, doesnt list the numbers maybe you can google search the address and pull up the number for them tho?

https://egov.uscis.g...or.statecode=OH


Thank you! I will have to call them on Monday.

Ok, I just called Passport Canada again and explained the whole thing. The person told me that SIN card with Birth Certificate will be enough and that Student loans are provincial... so they should not affect the passport.

I will call back on Monday just to confirm and if I get the same reply, I will order one.

**

One thing I wonder. Maybe someone can tell me.

Let say I do order my passport, and collectors start calling, can they garnish my husband's pay, or bank account? I would hate to drag him into this.

Edited by Kittyfang, 23 October 2009 - 03:14 PM.

KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 15:10:00
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QUOTE (Inky @ Oct 23 2009, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said in the other post Nebraska USCIS requires valid photo ID, I called them and they said it has to have the correct dates and be up-to-date to be let into the building. Call the Ohio one and ask them if its valid ID.

Apply for your passport anyways you need it.


I was trying to find the number for the Ohio center. Do you were how to find those? the only one I could see was the misinformation hot line. unsure.gif

QUOTE (Hugglebuggles @ Oct 23 2009, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think applying for your passport and AOS at the same time would be a good idea. Passports are being processed rather quickly right now, so chances are you would have it in time for your biometrics appointment anyway. If you were denied then at least you would know where you stand. It very well may not delay anything for you.

Biometrics can be rescheduled. According to my old bio letter you just need to send it to the service center doing your biometrics and they will reschedule you a new date and time and send you a new letter.


I'm really hoping I can get a passport because this situation is killing me.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 14:59:00
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QUOTE (Hugglebuggles @ Oct 23 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was reading your thread in the AOS forum and why not try to apply for a passport with the expired Health Card, SIN, and birth certificate like Inky suggested. Then, on top of that, maybe it would be helpful to include a cover letter stating your circumstances and why you no longer have valid picture identification. It may help...


That is what I think I will do. If they deny me, I will be out of options... Maybe just try to do the Biometrics with the expired card.

See, the thing is that I know I need a passport, but with all these conflicting information, I'm thinking that I should try the biometrics with the expired ID. The reason is that the more I wait, the longer the expiration will be.

In any case, I'm caught in between.

If they were to turn me down, at the biometric office, I would just have to come back with my passport (if I can get it). Whichever happens first, I guess.

But, can I re-schedule a biometric appointment if I get turned down for not having ID?
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 14:45:00
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QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (IR5FORMUMSIE @ Oct 23 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have very few pieces of picture ID. I have a DL and a passport and that's it. I had a friend who drove without a DL throughout high school and university but he has one now. If the passport is expired less than one year then Passport Canada will take it, which is what I posted above. What picture ID did you show at the border and how long has it been expired?


I showed Health Card, it has been expired for over a year.

QUOTE (wowswift @ Oct 23 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well, i guess the only two options you have is, wing it and file AOS with an expired ID and hope they don't care, but looks like you can get a Proof of Citizenship card even though you were born in Canada, but at least it would be a picture ID, if you have these things:

you have never had a citizenship certificate and you were born in Canada

* A birth certificate issued by the appropriate provincial or territorial authority
* Two (2) pieces of personal identification, such as a driver’s licence and a health insurance card
* Other documents, such as a marriage certificate/divorce certificate and/or a legal name change certificate (if applicable)


Though i dunno if they care if its expired. maybe talk to them. They say even if you have a birth certificate, you can get one of these. but they might think its silly, but its a picture id that you might be able to get so you can get a passport


I will have to look into that, but if they require two piece of picture ID, I'm SOL.


I think a Proof of Citizenship is something like a Birth Certificate, which I have. It's not a picture ID.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 14:19:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (IR5FORMUMSIE @ Oct 23 2009, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have very few pieces of picture ID. I have a DL and a passport and that's it. I had a friend who drove without a DL throughout high school and university but he has one now. If the passport is expired less than one year then Passport Canada will take it, which is what I posted above. What picture ID did you show at the border and how long has it been expired?


I showed Health Card, it has been expired for over a year.

QUOTE (wowswift @ Oct 23 2009, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
well, i guess the only two options you have is, wing it and file AOS with an expired ID and hope they don't care, but looks like you can get a Proof of Citizenship card even though you were born in Canada, but at least it would be a picture ID, if you have these things:

you have never had a citizenship certificate and you were born in Canada

* A birth certificate issued by the appropriate provincial or territorial authority
* Two (2) pieces of personal identification, such as a driver’s licence and a health insurance card
* Other documents, such as a marriage certificate/divorce certificate and/or a legal name change certificate (if applicable)


Though i dunno if they care if its expired. maybe talk to them. They say even if you have a birth certificate, you can get one of these. but they might think its silly, but its a picture id that you might be able to get so you can get a passport


I will have to look into that, but if they require two piece of picture ID, I'm SOL.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 14:17:00
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QUOTE (wowswift @ Oct 23 2009, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (IR5FORMUMSIE @ Oct 23 2009, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wowswift @ Oct 23 2009, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What state do you live in? Have you tried to get a state ID? I saw you post about Texas dr's so I assume you live there. Do you have an expired DL at all? You might be able to get an ID, but I know how crazy they are about using things from Canada, even though their website says they accept it.


I'm actually in Ohio. I called the BMV this morning and they said that they could not issue a State ID without a GC. blush.gif

Do you have any photo ID?


Well, there's the million dollar question.

Yes, I do.

Do I have valid picture ID?

No.

The only (expired) picture ID I have, is the one I showed at the border.


How does one go through life without any other picture ID? I guess you never drove? I guess Canada is different than USA, but man, I've had some sort of picture ID since I was 16. Looks like passport Canada won't except something expired unless its a recently expired passort (i think someone already said this)


I don't drive no. Never has. Always lived in a city with public transportation.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 14:04:00
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QUOTE (IR5FORMUMSIE @ Oct 23 2009, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wowswift @ Oct 23 2009, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What state do you live in? Have you tried to get a state ID? I saw you post about Texas dr's so I assume you live there. Do you have an expired DL at all? You might be able to get an ID, but I know how crazy they are about using things from Canada, even though their website says they accept it.


I'm actually in Ohio. I called the BMV this morning and they said that they could not issue a State ID without a GC. blush.gif

Do you have any photo ID?


Well, there's the million dollar question.

Yes, I do.

Do I have valid picture ID?

No.

The only (expired) picture ID I have, is the one I showed at the border.

KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 13:59:00
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QUOTE (IR5FORMUMSIE @ Oct 23 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Hugglebuggles @ Oct 23 2009, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't she need to go to Canada to get the passport processed in person? If so that's not an option, she'll need to do it through the mail.

True, I forgot that she was in the US. She should use the mail, there used to be a program at some of the consulates but I think they canned that.


Oh I called the embassy. I figured "yeah, I know I ####*d up, but I'm trying to fix things... Shouldn't they be able to help me out. I mean, I know they have their own thing going, but I've always thought that an embassy was there to help their citizen"... I was freaking mistaken. The woman told me there was nothing she could do, she referred me to Passport Canada and hung up.

As it stands, even if I WANTED to go back to Canada, I wouldn't be able to. unsure.gif
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 13:54:00
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QUOTE (wowswift @ Oct 23 2009, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What state do you live in? Have you tried to get a state ID? I saw you post about Texas dr's so I assume you live there. Do you have an expired DL at all? You might be able to get an ID, but I know how crazy they are about using things from Canada, even though their website says they accept it.


I'm actually in Ohio. I called the BMV this morning and they said that they could not issue a State ID without a GC. blush.gif
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 13:51:00
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QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (*Len* @ Oct 23 2009, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I missed this. You are in a huge, huge pickle (of your own making). Apply for the damn passport; since otherwise they will not let you in for biometrics and will not issue a green card. If it is denied -the passport-, you will have to go home, get this ####### sorted out and begin the process like I told you in your other thread. Consequences are a b1tch Kitty, and you will have to deal with them now.


oh I know. I'm still trying to see what way I should go right now. On one hand, I really do need the passport, just to have it, if nothing else. On the other hand, I've been told (not just by VJers, but by an immigration counselor) that I might be able to get in with just (expired) ID.

It's so silly that something so small is keeping me from going on.


Kitty... I think you'll hear what you want to hear. Understandable since the situation you are in isn't desirable and you want to be told that it's going to be okay.

Like someone else said you are dealing with an overstay, walking in without a passport or anything for that matter isn't going to help your case at all. You need a passport.


No, I know I need a passport. I just hate waiting. I was ready to file within the next few days. What I'm thinking is that I should file, for both the AoS and the passport. If I get the biometric appointment first, I'll try with my expired ID, if they return me, I will reschedule with passport. I CAN reschedule.. right? unsure.gif

Not only that, but let say they do deny my passport, because I have no picture ID, like peach stated, I should still try to adjust. If nothing else, to be able to get a GC so I can THEN get a passport.

I do want to get my sh*t together. I'm just trying to triage what I need to do first. Seems like without picture ID, and with some loans, that passport is gonna be harder to get than AoS.

Edited by Kittyfang, 23 October 2009 - 01:44 PM.

KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 13:42:00
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QUOTE (IR5FORMUMSIE @ Oct 23 2009, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Hugglebuggles @ Oct 23 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The first thing that comes to me mind is that government agencies in Canada are notoriously bad with communicating with each other. Is this an OSAP loan? If you're worried that the federal government will go tell Ontario they found you, I don't really think that would happen. At least not for quite a while. On the other hand, if this has somehow created a criminal record for you, it could be a problem. Then again, I know people who have had misdemeanor charges and still were granted a passport, so even that may not come up as an issue. You never know until you try.

Like the others said, I think getting a passport is really an important first step. Although you don't necessarily need a passport for your biometrics, the letter does say, "applicants must bring their Permanent Residence Card/Resident Alien Card, or a passport, driver's license, national ID, military ID, or state-issued photo ID. If you appear without proper identification, you biometrics may not be taken." So like you already mentioned, getting a passport is probably the only piece of valid ID you'll be able to obtain without any kind of prof of status here in the US. When you eventually go for an AOS interview, you will need valid ID then as well. It says on the letter that, "every adult who comes to the interview must being Government-issues photo identification, such as a driver's license or ID card, in order to enter the building and to verify his/her identity at the time of the interview." So, it seems like its very unlikely you will be able to go through this process without proper identification. I can't imagine it not coming up as an issue at at least one of these appointments.

Good luck!


Thank you for your input. I'm getting more and more convinced that I will have to bite the bullet and get my passport. One thing tho, and I could be very wrong, but I don't think you can get a criminal record for unpaid loan. Maybe someone knows? unsure.gif

I would hate to go trough all this, only to fail before I even started.

I don't have to whip up a Memorandum of Fact and Law to tell you that you are not in any danger of getting a criminal record. Now if you decide to rob a bank to help pay off the loan... headbonk.gif Take one step at a time, apply for your passport and go on from there. We're here for you. good.gif


Well, there goes my bank robbing alternative solution! biggrin.gif

But thank you for the support.

oh, in the mean time, I called Passport Canada again, and got a new twist on the story. Now, the lady says that I CAN get a passport even with student loans... but that I CANT get one, because the only ID I have in SIN card and Birth Certificate... The story just keeps changing every time I call. mad.gif

KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 13:27:00
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QUOTE (*Len* @ Oct 23 2009, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I missed this. You are in a huge, huge pickle (of your own making). Apply for the damn passport; since otherwise they will not let you in for biometrics and will not issue a green card. If it is denied -the passport-, you will have to go home, get this ####### sorted out and begin the process like I told you in your other thread. Consequences are a b1tch Kitty, and you will have to deal with them now.


oh I know. I'm still trying to see what way I should go right now. On one hand, I really do need the passport, just to have it, if nothing else. On the other hand, I've been told (not just by VJers, but by an immigration counselor) that I might be able to get in with just (expired) ID.

It's so silly that something so small is keeping me from going on.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 13:24:00
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QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Hugglebuggles @ Oct 23 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The first thing that comes to me mind is that government agencies in Canada are notoriously bad with communicating with each other. Is this an OSAP loan? If you're worried that the federal government will go tell Ontario they found you, I don't really think that would happen. At least not for quite a while. On the other hand, if this has somehow created a criminal record for you, it could be a problem. Then again, I know people who have had misdemeanor charges and still were granted a passport, so even that may not come up as an issue. You never know until you try.

Like the others said, I think getting a passport is really an important first step. Although you don't necessarily need a passport for your biometrics, the letter does say, "applicants must bring their Permanent Residence Card/Resident Alien Card, or a passport, driver's license, national ID, military ID, or state-issued photo ID. If you appear without proper identification, you biometrics may not be taken." So like you already mentioned, getting a passport is probably the only piece of valid ID you'll be able to obtain without any kind of prof of status here in the US. When you eventually go for an AOS interview, you will need valid ID then as well. It says on the letter that, "every adult who comes to the interview must being Government-issues photo identification, such as a driver's license or ID card, in order to enter the building and to verify his/her identity at the time of the interview." So, it seems like its very unlikely you will be able to go through this process without proper identification. I can't imagine it not coming up as an issue at at least one of these appointments.

Good luck!


Thank you for your input. I'm getting more and more convinced that I will have to bite the bullet and get my passport. One thing tho, and I could be very wrong, but I don't think you can get a criminal record for unpaid loan. Maybe someone knows? unsure.gif

I would hate to go trough all this, only to fail before I even started.



I don't think you can just 'get' a criminal record, you have to be charged with something first.

I think your loan is in collections and I am sure you're not the only one in this situation, there are others in the same boat you're in so you need not feel alone and panic. The situation isn't great, but it could always always be worse.

Does your husband realize what kind of mess you're in? Does he understand and is he willing to help you a bit if you have to make payments now?


My husband would help if he could. But we are barely going by on his salary, which is less than $1000 a month (we were going to use a co-sponsor for the AoS).
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 13:15:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (Hugglebuggles @ Oct 23 2009, 11:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The first thing that comes to me mind is that government agencies in Canada are notoriously bad with communicating with each other. Is this an OSAP loan? If you're worried that the federal government will go tell Ontario they found you, I don't really think that would happen. At least not for quite a while. On the other hand, if this has somehow created a criminal record for you, it could be a problem. Then again, I know people who have had misdemeanor charges and still were granted a passport, so even that may not come up as an issue. You never know until you try.

Like the others said, I think getting a passport is really an important first step. Although you don't necessarily need a passport for your biometrics, the letter does say, "applicants must bring their Permanent Residence Card/Resident Alien Card, or a passport, driver's license, national ID, military ID, or state-issued photo ID. If you appear without proper identification, you biometrics may not be taken." So like you already mentioned, getting a passport is probably the only piece of valid ID you'll be able to obtain without any kind of prof of status here in the US. When you eventually go for an AOS interview, you will need valid ID then as well. It says on the letter that, "every adult who comes to the interview must being Government-issues photo identification, such as a driver's license or ID card, in order to enter the building and to verify his/her identity at the time of the interview." So, it seems like its very unlikely you will be able to go through this process without proper identification. I can't imagine it not coming up as an issue at at least one of these appointments.

Good luck!


Thank you for your input. I'm getting more and more convinced that I will have to bite the bullet and get my passport. One thing tho, and I could be very wrong, but I don't think you can get a criminal record for unpaid loan. Maybe someone knows? unsure.gif

I would hate to go trough all this, only to fail before I even started.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 12:48:00
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QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I guess your first step is to apply for a passport.

I would personally wait to call tricura about your loans because there's no way you can even start to make payments until you have a job. If they start to call you after you have applied for the passport then they call you and you deal with that then I guess.


Very true. I might even be able to send them a small amount.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 11:21:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (SapphireDreams @ Oct 23 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't really see how you would get past a Biometrics Appointment with expired ID. They required me and everyone else that was with me to have a valid passport. Maybe there are extreme cases, but I just can't see how that would work for them... they were strict on IDs.

I don't think they will deny you a passport to be honest. They might be able to find you and call you re: payment, but that's probably all.

I don't understand why you think that NOT having a passport is okay. It's not okay. Get yourself a passport. When you go to your immigration AOS, you need a valid passport.

I think you're still in denial and are still trying to hide. Your first priority should be a get a passport, whether there are student loan consequences or not!


I'm not in denial and I'm absolutely not trying to hide. I'm just trying to figure out the best solution. Yes, I need a passport, but if it's going to bring on a bigger problem that I cannot address now, I'd rather try a impler solution.

It's not hiding, it's trying to not make a bad situation worse.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 11:17:00
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QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have they not been calling your parents or old job or anything?

Last year I accidentally missed a payment because I forgot to transfer the money on time and they were calling my mother non-stop... and this was like 2 days after it was late. Luckily when I called them and told them that their money was coming and not to get their knickers in a knot they understood, but that was just like 2-3 days past due.


I don't have a lot of family in Canada. A half sister and a aunt. We are on good terms, but don't talk much, we don't even share the same last name. So I doubt they have received calls. Which is really strange now that I think about it... I will have to ask them and make sure.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 11:11:00
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QUOTE (Peachey @ Oct 23 2009, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My cousin told me he can't come to my wedding because he can't get a passport due to his criminal record...


I think if you have a felony, they will not issue one, or the US will not let you in. But I think for things like misdemeanor, it's another matter... But I could be wrong, that's just what's on the Canadian Passport web page.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 11:00:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no degree that isn't worth anything so don't tell yourself that. A degree is a degree and it will open doors for you somewhere.

Has it been 2.5 years since you have been in default of your loans? I think you could call them and ask them for information about your case. Could your husband possibly help you with some payments right now?

I would just apply for the passport and try.


No, you're right. I agree. What I meant is that, when I chose what I was going to study, I wish I had given it more thought. Maybe chosen something that was a little more flexible.


It has been about 2.5-3 years, yes. I will have to check on my case and make some kind of deal with them regarding payments.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 10:58:00
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Well, I know my loan is pretty high. I was one of those people who went to college, then university, then realized that my degree wouldn't do any good... I should have gone to vocational school and been a hairdressed...

Anyway, at this point, these are the two options I have (now that I have a clear head and that I have stopped shaking and wanting to cry).

I can, A. Try the passport and either get denied, or accepted/denied, and have to have the loan repayment. (As I've said, I am not trying to dodge, but since I cannot work right now, it would be another catastrophe on top of everything else).

Or B. I could go withthe ID I have. I spoke with a immigration community help.. person. She told me "I don't think it'll be an issue. You will have your appointment notice. You can show them your expired picture ID. They may make you sign something, but I don't think that THIS would hold up the ####### process"...

So, I am mulling over those two choices. I will be honest and say that the option B is more tempting. Worse that can happen is what? They turn me around and tell me to go get proper ID. Will they place me in deportation procedure? I don't know, would seem unlikely.

Hey I have an idea, instead of wishing I was a hairdresser. I should wish I was an immigration lawyer.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 10:36:00
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QUOTE (lgg @ Oct 23 2009, 08:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Agree with Sapphire here...
Apply for your passport and then once you know w hat's up with that, move ahead with the rest. Personally? i can't see you NOT getting a passport, but do keep us posted, okay? It'll be interesting to see how the government works these things out...

Also yeah, get your husband's stuff in order. He'll need all of his paper work too. I'm not sure how this works but does he have to prove the income thing like we had to do in our Affidavit of Support papers?

Just a few more things to toss out there...




QUOTE (SapphireDreams @ Oct 23 2009, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OKay, well take a deep breath and take things one step at a time.

First, get your passport. Before you even think about the immigration process, get yourself a passport and that will act as your valid ID. Or, if you need to take a step back and get ID for the passport, figure that out first. There may be some hiccups along the way, and just deal with those as they come.

Once you get your passport, move on to getting yourself in-status in the United States. Ensure your husband has a passport/birth certificate as well for this step.

Once you get all that sorted out, then you should start the AOS.

You've made some mistakes and the only way to fix them is going to be to stop freaking out and get started on fixing them.

Good luck. And, I seriously mean that. I'm not here to judge you. People make mistakes and that's okay. Now, you are in control of your own destiny, so if you want to gain respect from others you need to do everything in your power to fix things. You have the resources and information to fix this, so there is no excuse to hold off on things anymore.



My husband is in order. He just needs to get a passport and birth certificate.

I think the worst case scenario would be to be denied a passport and have collectors calling.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 09:59:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (lgg @ Oct 23 2009, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, Kittyfang... I feel bad reading this stuff. I mean that and it doesn't make me happy at all the world of trouble you have yourself in.
I found this site, you might want to have a look at it -- it may help you...

How to Deal with Canada Student Loan Debt

ANd just so you know, we're a feisty bunch here and you really have made some crazy-bad decisions but I doubt anyone here really wants to see you fail.
Just an FYI, I had student loan debt and other debt but I worked 3 jobs to pay them all off before leaving Canada (haven't even LEFT Canada yet, actually which sucks). I've been socking money away for a couple of years so I can be a viable asset when I get to the US. It's sh1tloads of work and I spend a lot of time wishing I were already with my husband but i'm glad I got it all sorted out before hand. It was a lot of work and a lot of heartache...

I really am sorry for your situations -- I am finding it harder to be disgusted with you as it really seems that you flew by the seat of your pants, something i'm sure we all wanted/could have done too, and you really ended up in some hot water...

Try that link I included here -- you might find out some good information.






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No, that's the thing. I AM worrying about adjusting my status, but to do that, I need passport (or some kind of ID for biometrics). I AM freaking out. I know it was retarded the way we did it and I really wish I could go back and change some things, but I can't. I want to do things right, but nothing is working.



Thank you for the link. I am looking it up. I didn't think I had so many loose ends in Canada and it's making me panic to see them. All I am trying to do if fix to situation so I CAN fix the rest. As for the actual ID issue, I've asked in another post. We'll see what people say. I just don't see the end of the tunnel and it's starting feel suffocating.

Edited by Kittyfang, 23 October 2009 - 09:17 AM.

KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 09:16:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No not happy. I just don't understand.

My life and my personal finances and business had to be sorted before I decided to move down here. The border is not an escape hatch and you can't run from stuff like that. I understand you're in love, you didn't want to be apart. But you have made some insanely terrible decisions and now during a time where you should be worrying about just adjusting status, you're worrying about a whole ####### load of other things.

I couldn't do that, my hair would be falling out.


No, that's the thing. I AM worrying about adjusting my status, but to do that, I need passport (or some kind of ID for biometrics). I AM freaking out. I know it was retarded the way we did it and I really wish I could go back and change some things, but I can't. I want to do things right, but nothing is working.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 09:04:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know... you can only miss so many payments, once it goes to collections it's out of the hands of the people who could have possibly helped you.


Ya, I'm aware of that. Catch 22. It sucks. Guess you guys must be happy now.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 08:55:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 07:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Did you just decide leave all responsibilities behind? This is a completely serious question... jokes aside. I don't understand how someone can just do that.

What if this marriage doesn't work out? What if you have to go back to Canada for something? How far behind are you on your payments? You do realize that defaulting on your student loans can screw your credit score and everything right?


No I didn't leave everything behind to marry my husband. I know that no sympathy will be shown if I say this, but it was a pretty big pain. We married on a whim, so, I had to deal with Canadian issue by phone. I had some friends pick up my stuff (I just told them they can have it if they pick it up), I paid off some loans over the phone, I was on vacation from my job, I just took an extended vacation, knowing that they would rehire me once I returned. And, before leaving, I was in the process of moving in with my sister.

All in all, I didn't have much, but yes, I didn't really deal with it too well. It sucks and I'm not asking for pity. I'm just trying to fix a situation that keeps eating at me.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 08:43:00
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QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 07:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 23 2009, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yea don't flatter yourself.

You can be a little snot all you want, but I'm here legally and I have no worries... but here you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into trouble. I love it! biggrin.gif


Of course you would honey. That's the type of person you are. smile.gif Take pleasure in other people's misfortune and show no compassion whatsoever. At least, I sleep soundly at night knowing that I'm not mean nor cruel to people I don't know and that I offer the benefit of the doubt. rose.gif


People have tried to be nice to you, but everytime they tell you something that you may not want to hear you've become defensive and condescending.

Also, you're on a board full of people who are waiting to reunite with their husbands, wives, fiances etc. And you came on spouting off that you're an illegal... you don't seem to care much about the feelings of others, but hey thats the kind of person you are... completely selfish and unaware of the world around you. smile.gif


Well I got inspected, so I know I'm not illegal. I'm out of status. And yes, I know there are people waiting to see their loved one, and believe me, I sympathize. I know what my situation is and believe me, if I could go back and do it right, with the hindsight I have now, I would. But for now, I'm fubar and I'm trying to fix it. But if you prefer to point and laugh, more power to you.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 08:30:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (Wis-Can @ Oct 23 2009, 07:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well I would think, and this is just a personal opinion, that if your loans are up-to-date then no it doesn't affect it. But if you are in default and they can't find you, so to speak, when you apply for a passport,...its government..who would share your contact info with the Student Loan people, also government. So if your up-to-date then no it won't effect you. Good luck.


I'm not trying to evade them. I'm trying to get the situation resolved. This is just a nice little case of catch 22. blink.gif
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 08:25:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yea don't flatter yourself.

You can be a little snot all you want, but I'm here legally and I have no worries... but here you are digging yourself deeper and deeper into trouble. I love it! biggrin.gif


Of course you would honey. That's the type of person you are. smile.gif Take pleasure in other people's misfortune and show no compassion whatsoever. At least, I sleep soundly at night knowing that I'm not mean nor cruel to people I don't know and that I offer the benefit of the doubt. rose.gif
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 08:25:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Oct 23 2009, 07:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You owe money on your student loans?

So you just skipped Canada and decided to leave all responsibilities behind too?? Are you stupid? These are your STUDENT LOANS from the GOVERNMENT.


Oh now. I'm pretty sure that I could cure cancer and you'd still hate me.

But hey, thx for following me like you do. You're like my little groupie. rose.gif
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 08:17:00
CanadaCan outstanding student loans keep me from getting Canadian Passport?
Same as title hehe. I was wondering if owing some money for (Canadian) student loans would keep me from getting a passport. I spoke with Passport Canada twice. I was told once that "yes, it will keep you from getting one" and "no, it won't keep you from getting one".

So which is it? blink.gif
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-23 08:10:00
CanadaOff Topic Part Trois
Removed cause I guess I can take one for the team.

Bad guy (girl).. away!

Edited by Kittyfang, 19 October 2009 - 01:25 PM.

KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-19 13:23:00
CanadaOff Topic Part Trois
QUOTE (lgg @ Oct 19 2009, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ KF
Ta gueule connard !




QUOTE (Kittyfang @ Oct 19 2009, 01:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (lgg @ Oct 19 2009, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
varba -- you officially rock!!!!!

Well, KF would be please to know that she'll forever be memorialized into Canadian vernacular!
smile.gif


Oh I am. I tried to do the same thing once, but... somehow, I just can't bash on people, even when their situation is different than mine. See, I did things the wrong way, and I admit it. But, I don't go around making myself feel better by picking on them. wink.gif



Such nice words. What? It's not as fun to mock someone when they're around? And, I'm a woman, so it's "connarde" with an "e"... Then again, that's more of a French thing from France. I guess you could say "Conne", that's more French Canadian... I don't know. Oh well, sticks and stones my friend, sticks and stones.
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-19 13:11:00
CanadaOff Topic Part Trois
QUOTE (lgg @ Oct 19 2009, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
varba -- you officially rock!!!!!

Well, KF would be please to know that she'll forever be memorialized into Canadian vernacular!
smile.gif


Oh I am. I tried to do the same thing once, but... somehow, I just can't bash on people, even when their situation is different than mine. See, I did things the wrong way, and I admit it. But, I don't go around making myself feel better by picking on them. wink.gif
KittyfangFemaleCanada2009-10-19 12:41:00