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US Citizenship General DiscussionIs that true? That I can apply for naturalization 3 months before becoming elegible?
http://www.uscis.gov...ments/M-480.pdf
Here on the second page of Naturalization Eligibility Worksheet it says ' I have been a Permanent Resident for LESS THAN THREE YEARS, STOP, you are not eligible to apply for naturalization'.

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internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-21 10:27:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionIs that true? That I can apply for naturalization 3 months before becoming elegible?
Lucyrich, thank you very much for clearing the subject for me.

Yes, I got all 3 visas smile.gif I had to wait longer too. When I wanted to apply for advance parole to get out of the country to do my military service in my other country, I found out that it takes too long and I did not have that kind of time-frame since I was on leave from military for one month in order to come to the US and get married and go back to complete the service. I will give my finger prints 4th time I think, if not more than that smile.gif And they are all the same. biggrin.gif

Thank you, again, very very much for the explanation. smile.gif I needed that.


internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-20 17:03:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionIs that true? That I can apply for naturalization 3 months before becoming elegible?
QUOTE (lucyrich @ Jun 19 2009, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (internetkafe @ Jun 19 2009, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, nothing is clear, especially the poster before you made it an Italian Wedding Soup.

3 years as a PR or 3 years as a PR MINUS 90 days?

Which one?


Sometimes one, sometimes the other, and sometimes longer.

If you want to make it simple and choose one or the other of the choices you give, you'll be wrong for many people. Sorry, that's not me who made it complex, it's Congress.

For us, it was three full years as a PR. For many couples, it will be three years less 90 days.

IF and only if you meet all the other requirements, then it could be as early as 3 years as a PR minus 90 days.

Otherwise, it'll be whenever you meet all the other requirements. See the M-476. It's all clearly explained there.


Lucyrich, it is the wording of the law that you posted makes it confusing.

We got married in May 2005 on K1 visa, after getting married I had to go back to my country to complete military duty, I got K3 and came back, I chose getting an immigrant visa instead of adjusting status, I got my CR1 visa in 2006, I got my green card in 2006. I and my wife have been living together continuously since November 2005, (as a K3 visa holder and then as a PR since September 2006).

So can I apply in June 2009 OR should I apply in September 2009?

What are 'the other requirements'? Why do some couples have to wait for full three years and some others 3 years-90 days? I am looking forward to your take on it, because I sincerely can not comprehend the legal wording of the rule(s) in this case.

Thank you.

internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-19 18:55:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionIs that true? That I can apply for naturalization 3 months before becoming elegible?
No, nothing is clear, especially the poster before you made it an Italian Wedding Soup.

3 years as a PR or 3 years as a PR MINUS 90 days?

Which one?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-19 15:21:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionDocument Requirements for Naturalization
Thank you for all the replies to the question.

We have 2 children from our marriage, I have a stepdaughter. Am I required to list her as one of the children 'I have had' and send her birth certificate as well? (I am not her biological father.)

One of my 2 sons was born before we got married, and on his birth certificate the father's information area is blank. But the birth certificate( from before we got married, his first birth certificate). Is it OK if I send this birth certificate or do I have to get a new one?

On past employment part, I do not remember exact dates of starting and ending employments. Can I just put the month and year if I can not remember the exact days?

Thank you very much.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-22 16:09:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionDocument Requirements for Naturalization
Thank you, RDan19 and J&D for your replies.

J&D, I see from your N-400 timeline that you applied before 3 years of Permanent Residency.
USCIS's eligibility checklist says this: I have been a PR for less than 3 years ---} STOP, you are not eligible to apply for naturalization.



internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-21 11:50:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionDocument Requirements for Naturalization
Hello,

Does the USCIS require originals of birth certificates (of the USC spouse, USC children), marriage certificate etc? Or do they accept photocopies too?

Thank you.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-21 09:31:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionBIRTH CERTIFICATES / EMPLOYMENT DATES ON N-400 FORM
Thank you NickD and J&D for your replies. So I associate Venezuela and Ireland to words 'helpful', 'kind' smile.gif Thank you.

I am just going to write the month and year for employment dates then, because I do not remember exact days and I do not want to put a wrong day there.

As for the birth certificate of my older son, I hope that does not cause confusion on the part of processors. The certificate's parts related to the father is blank since we were not married when my wife got that certificate. I do not want to pay 10+ dollars and waste time waiting for a new certificate. So I guess I will send the existing one.

As J&D says, I will put 'step-daughter) next to the name.

Thank you very much. smile.gif
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-23 10:56:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionBIRTH CERTIFICATES / EMPLOYMENT DATES ON N-400 FORM
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internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-23 09:20:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionBIRTH CERTIFICATES / EMPLOYMENT DATES ON N-400 FORM
Anybody with knowledge/personal experience in a similar situation?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-22 18:08:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionBIRTH CERTIFICATES / EMPLOYMENT DATES ON N-400 FORM
Hello,

We have 2 children from our marriage, I have a stepdaughter. Am I required to list her as one of the children 'I have had' and send her birth certificate as well? (I am not her biological father.)

One of my 2 sons was born before we got married, and on his birth certificate the father's information area is blank. But the birth certificate( from before we got married, his first birth certificate). Is it OK if I send this birth certificate or do I have to get a new one?

On past employment part, I do not remember exact dates of starting and ending employments. Can I just put the month and year if I can not remember the exact days?

Thank you very much.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-22 15:55:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionWhen does the clock officially start ticking for residency requirements
QUOTE (Kathryn41 @ Jul 5 2009, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, I am one of those individuals who had to wait a long time for my AOS - 22 months in fact. Even though I have been physically present in the US since May 2004 and married to a US citizen since June 2004 I was not eligible to apply for US citizenship until February 2009 - 90 days prior to my 3rd year anniversary of my permanent residency. If USCIS had processed my applications in at all a timely manner I should have been able to be a citizen prior to the last election rather than just applying to become one this Spring.


KATHRYN41, I have married and been in the US since May 2004 too. But after having to apply for several different visas (K1+K3+CR1) only now I can apply for naturalization.
I wish they counted the time since marriage in the US. They do not and I understand why they do not. It is based on almost physical residency...


Edited by internetkafe, 06 July 2009 - 01:13 AM.

internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-07-06 01:12:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath Date Waiting Times for Milwaukee
QUOTE (Kathryn41 @ Oct 24 2009, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
just to let you know, I removed the double post smile.gif


Thanks Kathryn1,

So any answers to my question? If you know people who went through MKE, please ask them for me.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-10-25 08:53:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath Date Waiting Times for Milwaukee
I am wondering how long it usually takes for Milwaukee office to schedule the oath once approved.Somewhere on the forum I read rumors that it takes 4 months for the local office to actually let you take the oath from the time of approval. Could that be real? Thank you for your answers.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-10-24 20:51:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath - do we need to take all the papers again?
QUOTE (NickD @ Sep 19 2009, 10:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kathryn41 @ Sep 19 2009, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You need to take your 10 year green card and if you have any other still valid immigration documents like a Travel Document then you would bring those. If you have expired documents like previous green cards, APs and EADs you don't need to bring those. Fill out the questions on your form before you arrive and sign the form. They will go over it with you. During the ceremony at some time you will hand in your green card and other still valid immigration documents and receive your Certificate of Citizenship. Congratulations! Enjoy your ceremony.



From those questions on the back, if nothing has changed like death, trips outside of the USA over 24 hours, you do not need to bring evidence of that, should bring your passport if you took a trip after your interview. Best to sign the back of the sheet in front of the officer and the place of signing will be in the city your field office is located in. But you can check off the questions before hand. They will take your oath letter and ten year card, and you will leave with your certificate, good luck.


Will they issue a prorated refund for the 10 year green cards they take back? Say, if 8-9 years left before they expire...
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-10-31 12:04:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath Letter
QUOTE (NickD @ Nov 1 2009, 05:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (internetkafe @ Oct 31 2009, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you for your answer Mr Big Dog. smile.gif


See for yourself at Oath Form N-445.

Can just about find anything on the web, but would be a lot easier if all that extra BS was eliminated.


Thank you for posting the oath letter form, NickD. smile.gif
I have been waiting for my oath letter, I have been interviewed.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-01 10:53:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath Letter
Thank you for your answer Mr Big Dog. smile.gif
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-10-31 20:12:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath Letter
What does the oath letter look like? A letter from DO or from USCIS center (like NOAs) ?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-10-31 11:59:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionStrange Problem with Case status
Since the NOA1 my status has never been updated.I had my interview and test last week.No change on USCIS online status. And the 800 help line can not tell me when my oath is going to be at. What happened to millions of dollars Obama spent in 'improving' the case status updates?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-03 17:43:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionJoining US State Dept Foreign Service
QUOTE (celiothrkn @ Nov 8 2009, 12:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Has anyone here worked for the Foreign Service before and been married to a foreign spouse? Or does anyone here know any friends who have foreign spouses and have worked for the Foreign Service?

I am currently going through CR1 process for my wife, who is a Chinese citizen from China. At the same time I am preparing for the Foreign Service exam to become an Officer for the US State Dept. While the passing rates for the Foreign Service are low, I want to get my facts straight and be mentally prepared.

The Foreign Service process will take about a year before getting deployed to a "worldwide assignment," basically any embassy or consulate. This brings up issues on my wife's green card. I know that if green card holders spend more than 6 months of a year outside the US, their green cards get confiscated at customs & immigration upon their next entry into the US. Moreover I believe spouses with green cards need 3 years of cumulative physical presence in the US to qualify for naturalization into a US citizen. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

My wife is not willingly leaving the US for long periods; she is simply accompanying her USC husband (and USC son) according to his Foreign Service placement by the US State Dept. How will this affect my wife holding onto her green card or eventual naturalization? This tricky issue is further complicated by the fact that the land upon which the US Embassy is built is in fact American soil; some Embassies will offer spouses an administrative / clerical job. If my wife gets such a position, she would technically be spending at least 9am - 5pm on American soil every day. In my mind, it sounds logical that it constitutes towards any "physical presence" requirement.

In addition, I understand that diplomats and accompanying dependents are issued diplomatic passports in order to proceed with their line of work. If that is the case, then my wife would line up at the diplomatic line at the customs & immigration, which may be more understanding and not confiscate her green card.



If she follows you to another country with government appointment, it should not negatively affect her status. I know someone who works for the DOS and his wife is a US citizen from Turkey.
I am interested in DOS positions too. Can you tell me more about the exam and the process in general? Thanks.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-08 09:41:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionInterview today at Federal Plaza
Corporations have been running healthcare in this country and so far I have not been impressed with their track record...
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-10 16:38:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400 Interview
Get an infopass appointment for next week.See if your receive your oath letter by then, if you do you cancel your infopass, if you do not you go to your appointment and ask them. I have noticed that when you get an infopass appointment, it speeds the process.I think they check your case number at local office after receiving the appointment request and act on it even before the infopass.

You have the constitutional right to petition the government (your senators, congresspeople etc) even though you are not a citizen yet, use your right.

I hope and think that you will receive your oath letter within 10 days the latest.


internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-10 16:44:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath
QUOTE (bilson4real @ Nov 11 2009, 06:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (internetkafe @ Nov 11 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (NickD @ Nov 11 2009, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When I go down to either Venezuela or Colombia, USC with a US passport, when asked why I am visiting, just say to spend money and have fun. Get a smile and a big welcome, no I-94, nothing signed, no record that I am aware of, just stamp my passport book, no limits on the stay. Suppose my wife could come back to the USA with her Venezuelan passport, does have a ten year US visa in it, but more than likely would be stripped searched again for drugs, fill out an I-94 with visit limits, and some kind of record is made of her visit. But I have no idea what they do with this as most illegals are here with a minor overstay of their visa, like 25 years in some cases.

When we came back together with her green card, extra time was taken in questioning her, with a US passport, just a welcome back to the USA, ha, glad you came back to pay taxes, I guess.

Learned that my brother, his wife and three daughters, all natural born USC's are applying for Italian citizenship to get a Euro passport. I can do that too, but really don't understand the advantages of doing so, no problem for me to go there. Just more money out the door the way I see it.


NickD,

Having an EU passport does not bring extra advantages than having a US passport other than relative safety of some other passports. But I do not think Italian passport is a safe one.Italy(Berlusconi) is a very strong US(Bush) ally.And everyone knows that, even in Egypt.








What's the source of your map (info.)? Thanks


Wikipedia is the source. Googled 'US Passport' and 'Italian Passport'... They have maps for each and ever country showing visa-free travel (freedom of travel) level.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-11 19:25:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath
QUOTE (Italian_in_NYC @ Nov 11 2009, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (internetkafe @ Nov 11 2009, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Having an EU passport does not bring extra advantages than having a US passport other than relative safety of some other passports. But I do not think Italian passport is a safe one.Italy(Berlusconi) is a very strong US(Bush) ally.And everyone knows that, even in Egypt.


You are dead wrong on that (and FYI, Bush is gone).
Nobody gives a sh!t about Berlusconi and politics. I usually end up (especially in the Middle East and GCC countries, where I travel 4-5 times a year) talking about soccer.
Also, visa-wise. Italy gets you to more places than the US, especially in South America and Middle East. And even if you need a visa, usually it's cheaper to get one with an Italian passport (my wife and I went to Turkey, at arrival she had to pay more than me, I don't even remember if I paid anything at all , same thing in Russia where my visa was $100 cheaper than my wife's one).
Also, your maps are inaccurate.


In terms of lower visa fees for EU passports, you may be right. Many countries reciprocate high US visa issuance fees, that is why US passport holders may have to pay more...

internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-11 19:22:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath
QUOTE (NickD @ Nov 11 2009, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When I go down to either Venezuela or Colombia, USC with a US passport, when asked why I am visiting, just say to spend money and have fun. Get a smile and a big welcome, no I-94, nothing signed, no record that I am aware of, just stamp my passport book, no limits on the stay. Suppose my wife could come back to the USA with her Venezuelan passport, does have a ten year US visa in it, but more than likely would be stripped searched again for drugs, fill out an I-94 with visit limits, and some kind of record is made of her visit. But I have no idea what they do with this as most illegals are here with a minor overstay of their visa, like 25 years in some cases.

When we came back together with her green card, extra time was taken in questioning her, with a US passport, just a welcome back to the USA, ha, glad you came back to pay taxes, I guess.

Learned that my brother, his wife and three daughters, all natural born USC's are applying for Italian citizenship to get a Euro passport. I can do that too, but really don't understand the advantages of doing so, no problem for me to go there. Just more money out the door the way I see it.


NickD,

Having an EU passport does not bring extra advantages than having a US passport other than relative safety of some other passports. But I do not think Italian passport is a safe one.Italy(Berlusconi) is a very strong US(Bush) ally.And everyone knows that, even in Egypt.







internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-11 11:52:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath
QUOTE (Kathryn41 @ Nov 10 2009, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with NickD - don't leave home without a US passport. Anything could happen to it if it were mailed to you out of the country. Heck, I ran into difficulties with it being mailed inside the country from the passport office to me. It went missing for 3 weeks and the passport office had to cancel that one and reissue me another. Do the expedited - and if you can manage the same day process go for it. You can use your Brazilian passport to enter Brazil but as an American citizen you are not allowed to re-enter the US on a non-US passport. Get all of the forms and photos done now so you are ready to go the day of your citizenship oath. Good luck.


Not even with a valid visa? I know since we give away our GCs we do not have the right of entry left.That must be why we are to use a US passport to enter, right? What if we have a 10 year tourist visa that is still valid? Can we enter using the other passport then?

internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-10 17:02:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionWhich passport i should take with me?
Nations are jealous over their citizens, it is normal to see one nation demanding exclusivity...In fact all of them do this and actually none of them get it. Do they?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-11 19:29:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionOath ceremony experience
Congratulations on your new citizenship, Italian_in_NYC smile.gif
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-13 17:40:00
US Citizenship General Discussiondual citizenship
Turkey recognizes dual/triple/quadruple citizenship. You do not have to even notify Turkish authorities upon obtaining another citizenship. Turkish border police lets a Turk with a US passport enter the country without paying a visa/stamp fee if you also show them Turkish ID. You do not have to use Turkish passport as a Turk to enter Turkey.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-16 19:21:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionRace question in N400
Redneck-NOVA,

Indo-European is also the name of the family of languages, is not it? Turkish is not in this group of languages, therefore can not we say Turks are not Indo-European/Caucasian/White for example? As far as I know Turkish language belongs to Altay subcategory of Ural/Altay/Altai family of languages. More 'Mongoloid', more Asian.That is why I want to put Asian on forms' race box.Or Eurasian maybe. As you said, there is a group 'Pacific Islander', that is not a race.

I wonder what Jewish people think on this issue.Do they have to mark 'white' also?

Edited by internetkafe, 20 November 2009 - 04:59 PM.

internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-20 16:57:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionRace question in N400
QUOTE (jpaula @ Nov 18 2009, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My husband is also from Algeria and has been told to check "white." I know it seems odd, but the US Gov't places people from the Middle East and N Africa in this category. I am sure there is a better source than this, but...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States_Census

See the part under Census 2000.


I would have put 'African' there.No one can tell you how to define yourself.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-20 11:40:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionRace question in N400
I do not understand why the government wants to see Middle Eastern people as white because that is not true. Perhaps in order to keep the number of minority people limited to few privileged groups? Whenever I am asked my race on a form, I put Asian,not white.

It is up to you whatever you want to put there.No one (incl. the government) can force you to declare this way or that way.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-20 11:37:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400: Ant’s Citizenship INTERVIEW PASSED.…BUT….(Part 1 of 2)….
Congratulations on passing the interview/test stage Ant+D+A. It was a very informative narrative indeed! biggrin.gif Thank you for sharing your experience.

I hope you get an oath date for sooner than you expect.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-20 17:26:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionCitizenship for minor
Hi NickD,

Maybe because there are hundreds of people who are involved in legislating. Since there are many laws, regulations, directives (not only legislators but also bureaucrats) the meals they cook tend to be stomach-upsetting from time to time biggrin.gif Someone at some point in time thinks age 21 is when a person becomes mature, someone at another point in time thinks age 18 is the threshold. And nobody thinks of aligning the disparities within existing legislation...
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-20 11:32:00
US Citizenship General Discussionanyone can give us advice what to do?
QUOTE (mario777 @ Nov 27 2009, 06:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
my brother sent his N400 to PHX office 22 days ago,they have received it next day, and since then - nothing! Money order has not been cashed out and no NOA leter yet!

Now, they also received my N400 too 8 days ago and still nothing! I understend it takes some time but at least our check/money order should be cashed untill now, am i wrong? (After 22 / 8 days)

When i look processing times here almost everyone got at least their checks cashed out or NOA very quick!

I understand its still too early to panic but what are the our options if we dont get any info in next 1-2 weeks?

Calling 800 number i dont think is a option ,nobody answer there and if they do we will get probably generic answer - to wait!
Is going to INS good idea? do we need info pass for that? thanx


Well, is not it good to have the application processed free of charge for a change? biggrin.gif
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-28 12:33:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionNotifying Soc Security
QUOTE (senegaulois @ Nov 25 2009, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (internetkafe @ Nov 24 2009, 01:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (lucyrich @ Nov 17 2009, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are two main reasons for notifying the SSA of your citizenship status.

First, some benefits are not available to aliens.

Second, the USCIS e-verify system gets its data from the SSA database. Crazy as it may seem, the USCIS is the one that naturalized you, but they have no way to tell their own e-verify computers that you're a citizen. They find out your citizenship status by looking into the SSA computers, and if the SSA computers say you're an LPR, then you're an LPR according to USCIS e-verify. I'm not making this up.

Having the wrong status in e-verify may not be a huge problem right away. But if you apply for a job with an employer who uses e-verify at some time in the future (more and more employers are using e-verify, and more may be forced to do so in the future), you could show up as a mismatch. A non-citizen who presents a passport or naturalization certificate would be picked up by e-verify as a mismatch, because such a non-citizen couldn't possibly have a passport or naturalization certificate, therefore the documents must be fraudulent, because the government's computer couldn't possibly have made a mistake.

You don't want to wait until you get an e-verify mismatch to straighten this out. Go to the SSA office while your naturalization certificate and/or your new US passport is still handy and not locked away in a safe deposit box. There's no terribly urgent rush, but it's probably good to do in within a few weeks after naturalization.



I went to the SSA today before applying for a passport. On the passport application form, it says that the department of State checks the applicant's social security number against the social security numbers whose owners are not eligible to receive a passport. I have not updated my status with SSA since my K3 days. They said the system is down and it can take several weeks to update the records with Homeland Security.I sent the passport application. Will the certificate be enough to establish my eligibility?


It is only in fairly recent times that one is obliged to provide an SS number on the passport application. At the risk of taking this discussion in another direction, the main issue here has nothing to do with citizenship status. It does, however, have everything to do with taxes. The US Government has or had no idea of the number of US citizens living permanently abroad, but concluded that a large number of them were not doing their patriotic duty of filing a tax return. The only thing that they had in common was the need to renew their passport every ten years. The SS number allowed State/IRS to cross reference the applications with the filed returns.


Thank you for the explanation senegaulois smile.gif
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-25 18:12:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionNotifying Soc Security
QUOTE (lucyrich @ Nov 17 2009, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are two main reasons for notifying the SSA of your citizenship status.

First, some benefits are not available to aliens.

Second, the USCIS e-verify system gets its data from the SSA database. Crazy as it may seem, the USCIS is the one that naturalized you, but they have no way to tell their own e-verify computers that you're a citizen. They find out your citizenship status by looking into the SSA computers, and if the SSA computers say you're an LPR, then you're an LPR according to USCIS e-verify. I'm not making this up.

Having the wrong status in e-verify may not be a huge problem right away. But if you apply for a job with an employer who uses e-verify at some time in the future (more and more employers are using e-verify, and more may be forced to do so in the future), you could show up as a mismatch. A non-citizen who presents a passport or naturalization certificate would be picked up by e-verify as a mismatch, because such a non-citizen couldn't possibly have a passport or naturalization certificate, therefore the documents must be fraudulent, because the government's computer couldn't possibly have made a mistake.

You don't want to wait until you get an e-verify mismatch to straighten this out. Go to the SSA office while your naturalization certificate and/or your new US passport is still handy and not locked away in a safe deposit box. There's no terribly urgent rush, but it's probably good to do in within a few weeks after naturalization.



I went to the SSA today before applying for a passport. On the passport application form, it says that the department of State checks the applicant's social security number against the social security numbers whose owners are not eligible to receive a passport. I have not updated my status with SSA since my K3 days. They said the system is down and it can take several weeks to update the records with Homeland Security.I sent the passport application. Will the certificate be enough to establish my eligibility?

internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-23 20:06:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionNotifying Soc Security
I see that it is a must. I wonder why, though...
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-17 19:00:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionNotifying Soc Security
Why do we have to notify SSA?
I have not notified them when I got the PR card, I was not thinking of doing it after naturalization either. What is the benefit of doing it?

internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-17 17:47:00
US Citizenship General Discussionwallet, pick-pocketed: Interview close
Yes, you have to keep the card with you at all times.That is the law.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-11-29 10:12:00