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Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionDOH! Need advice on a huge mistake.
QUOTE (cherr1980 @ Dec 17 2008, 09:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (internetkafe @ Dec 17 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Mexican IS a language as American is a language.
Mexican is not Castillian (proper Spanish) and American is not (Public School)English.
I hope I taught you something today...


And you right now are writing is "Ignorancy", the language of ignorants. This become way more than the OP said at the beginning and there is not need to insult people from different countries. Shame on you.


Insulting people from different countries?
You did not get it, did you?!

A permanent resident voted in US elections. It is ILLEGAL. Anyone with a brain, anyone who understands English would know that permanent residents are NOT ALLOWED to vote. That simple. She voted and she wants to get away with it. If she can vote why can not other PR vote? Nobody can defend an illegality. Nobody should.

Nobody can say it is difficult to see the fact that PRs can not vote. If they do they flout the law of the land.
We all know that some Mexicans do resist learning English. They tend to see the US as a second Mexico. They use Mexican pesos in some US stores. They demand the US to be the second Mexico. No. Learn English and obey the laws. That simple.

Do not pretend you did not know the law. What you know the best is to be an illegal, to indulge in illegality.

No. You are going to be made to learn.


internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-12-17 09:23:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionDOH! Need advice on a huge mistake.
QUOTE (sk28 @ Dec 17 2008, 05:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (internetkafe @ Dec 17 2008, 03:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You must first learn before attempting to teach.

Thousands of miles away from Spain and it is still a dialect, eh?

Three German dialects are spoken in Bavaria. Bavaria is a tiny little place.You can call these dialects. Not Mexican, not American.


American english is a set of dialects of english, you can have dialects over regions or only in countries or over a very small region. So Austrian German is Austrian not german? Same goes for american canadian australian etc. It does not matter how big the region is.


Austria and Germany border each other.
It does matter (in defining a dialect or a language)how far Mexico is from Spain and how far America is from England.

Is Slovenian a Russian dialect?
Is Romanian a Latin dialect?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-12-17 05:41:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionDOH! Need advice on a huge mistake.
You must first learn before attempting to teach.

Thousands of miles away from Spain and it is still a dialect, eh?

Three German dialects are spoken in Bavaria. Bavaria is a tiny little place.You can call these dialects. Not Mexican, not American.



internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-12-17 04:00:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionDOH! Need advice on a huge mistake.
Mexican IS a language as American is a language.
Mexican is not Castillian (proper Spanish) and American is not (Public School)English.
I hope I taught you something today...


internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-12-17 01:31:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionDOH! Need advice on a huge mistake.
QUOTE (CanAmCharlotte @ Dec 16 2008, 07:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Chances are you won't get an interview and even if you did, it's highly unlikely you'd get this question. I mean if she can't vote, why would they ask her if she did vote.



You can not rob banks, if you do rob a bank the court would formally ask if you robbed a bank. It is completely up to us to kno our rights and our obligations. Not knowing them does not save us from any repercusssions.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-12-17 00:30:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionDOH! Need advice on a huge mistake.
QUOTE (Thai family @ Dec 16 2008, 11:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is a situation that should remind us all examine all the applications yet to come with those who are in the immigration process. It's critical that they understand some of these things upfront so as many of the pitfalls can be avoided as possible. I've read ahead for my DIL, but I need to make sure she understands the ins and outs. How did the DMV get involved with voter registration in the first place? It must be very confusing for new immigrants.

Thai Mom



No, it is not confusing if you have a brain and you speak English in addition to your native language (Mexican).Some Mexicans (most of them citizens) STILL resist learning and speaking English.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-12-17 00:26:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionDOH! Need advice on a huge mistake.
QUOTE (Old Dominion @ Dec 16 2008, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Relax. Don't even worry about getting a lawyer. If there was an error made, it was made by the elections staff.



Relax if your wife does not intend to be a citizen one day.
If she does and she voted despite her intention to be naturalized she will not be a citizen ever.
It is an 'error' made by your wife.Not an elections staff. It is the responsibility of the permanent resident to know his/her rights and obligations.It is like writing a check knowing that it will bounce because you have no money in your checking account. It is a crime.And saying you did not know it was does not change a thing.Sorry.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-12-17 00:23:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionDOH! Need advice on a huge mistake.
QUOTE (sjoefl01 @ Dec 16 2008, 06:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think there is anywhere on the forms that ask whether you voted or not. A mistake was made. That is all. You are allowed to make mistakes here in the US.




A 'mistake' ? Maybe...

But why are not we (residents who know we are not allowed to vote) voting then?
It is a very simple rule.If you are not a citizen you do not have the right to vote.If you speak English you should know it by now.

I hope it does not come up during a naturalization interview...
internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-12-16 07:13:00
CanadaFellow Canucks WATCH THIS
Where is it posted, today on the K1 forum.. looked, can't find it....:help:Would love to see it!
Luckywife2007FemaleTurkey2011-02-02 10:52:00
CanadaAP
I have seen a lot more cases of late that are ending up in AP... Anyone have any ideas?
Luckywife2007FemaleTurkey2011-02-05 11:03:00
CanadaMontreal Processing Times

I had my interview April 5th and was approved...still waiting on that call from DHL to let me know my visa is in.

I am just wondering how long it took others who interviewed around the same time as me to receive their visas after being approved. :)


Hi,

Congrats to you :) My interview was on April,4 I got my visa on April,7 shipped by UPS.
Hope You will get yours soon :)
Good luck.
M&S foreverNot TellingTurkey2011-04-12 08:03:00
CanadaMy visa went on vacation to Ontario
Gratz on your visa cute! So happy for you.

Edited by LoveRaja, 25 June 2010 - 09:42 AM.

LoveRajaFemaleTurkey2010-06-25 09:40:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionAnkara Turkey Embassy, k-1 processing times? overall experience
I think they recently changed the bank they do business with. It is now Fortis Bank.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-04-10 08:15:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionAnkara Turkey Embassy, k-1 processing times? overall experience
Thank you Greenmind. Are you going to be with her at the interview? That will help too. Good luck to both of you.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-04-05 10:59:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionAnkara Turkey Embassy, k-1 processing times? overall experience
I am pretty sure she ill get the visa.
You can get an account at http://www.mezuncallingcard.com or your fiancee can. There you can get a free printout of your outgoing calls.
Do not you have pictures take together with her?
Normal mail..letters?
Please say hello to Turkey (and Istanbul specifically) from me. I miss my country
:)

The details...

Well our interview is April 17. I'm flying into Istanbul April 13, staying there for a few days, then we're flying to Ankara on the 15th. We'll stay until the 17, do the interview, then leave that evening to save on hotel expenses. Probably bus to her family's house in Mersin. Her family wants to throw a wedding party, basically the social portion of a Turkish wedding or so I'm told. My fiance will buy a wedding dress, I'll bring a suit, and in her parent's eyes we will be married. They even say we can sleep together in their house at that point... Legally we won't be married (I don't think) no but her parents will get to see their daughter's wedding. I was sure to explain the reason for not having a legal marriage.

I have no idea what these parties are like but my fiance's brother told me that if I didn't dance the traditional dances they'd throw me in the sea. I really hope this party won't cause any problems and assume it won't since it has nothing to do with the legal side of the marriage. I'm really excited!

I'm scheduled to fly out April 26th and I bought a 2 way ticket from Istanbul back to the states for her for $790. If she doesn't get the Visa I can turn the ticket in and get a $600 credit towards the next ticket. Cost of a 1 way ticket was over $1000 and in order to fly back together I'd have to fly turkish airlines which for some reason raised the cost of my ticket from the $900 I payed with NWA to $1250.

I really hope her visa isn't denied. It's been 6 months and we're both going crazy. I know others waited a lot longer and I really sympathize with you all. I really think they'd have a hard time asking me to provide cosponsor since I work for a University and make double what they ask. If they do ask for that, how long will this delay her visa? Should I consider bringing the proper paperwork for a cosponsor already filled out with me? My parents or her sister have no problem doing it. I'd have more trouble finding evidence of a relationship since we've only met once and have no phone records. I do have about ummmm... 6000 pages of msn chat logs from the last 6 months and my phone bill which showed the countless text messages we've sent each other.

I just want her here! weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!


internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-04-04 14:44:00
US Citizenship General Discussion3 year countdown
Hello Reba,

You give the example of spouses not being able to live together because of immigration ###### ups. It is not of spouses own doing. Even in the case of spouses living outside the US together...I think they should be eligible for citizenship. Why not? There is nothing wrong if the eligibility were based solely on the length of marriage.

'If they made the Naturalization eligibility reqirement as wedding annivesary date, then a whole bunch of people married to Americans living in foreing countries would then also have to be made eligible. '

So? Let them be eligible. What is wrong with that?

Why should immigrant spouses be treated as third rate creatures? I do have an issue with this treatment and I am not happy with that. I know that is the law but I resent to that law....I do not like that law. I do not like the logic behind it.

I should be able to live in my own country with my wife and be still eligible for US citizenship based on marriage.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-03-11 14:14:00
US Citizenship General Discussion3 year countdown
Why is it not 3 years after marriage?

Why do you have to be a PR for 3 years to be able to apply for naturalization?

Can not you apply for naturalization 3 years after the marriage (assume that your LPR status starts one year after the marriage took place) ?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-03-09 13:10:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionCitizenship vs. Permanent Resident
But sure about the Jewish State? I am, too.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-03-12 11:03:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionCitizenship vs. Permanent Resident
[/quote]I think you misunderstand my point and I may have not stated it correctly. I don't have any problem with dual citizenships at all. My point was about what accepting U.S. citizenship should be about whether or not you maintain more than one citizenship. I think you can have allegiance to more than one country, but if you don't really mean the things in the oath of citizenship, then don't take it. I think there is a place for those who want to live here without being a citizen--I wasn't judging them harshly, I actually said I think it's an honorable choice. If they value their integrity enough to not take an oath that they really don't accept, I applaud them. I consider the comments that they should leave the country if they don't want to be a citizen to be the truly harsh comments. I welcome the idea that they can live here and not become a citizen if that's not what's in their heart.[/quote]

Why are you/they forcing an oath on LPRs who want to be naturalized?
OK, oath is a fact on the ground.
If you claim being impartial/neutral, why is not there a mechanism to keep US born citizens in the scope of their oath of allegience (if there is any for them)?
If you care so much about the implications of an oath (I understand your concern if it is in good faith) you should equally be concerned about the oaths people in office take. Do they always act in accordance with their oaths?
If you are sensitive about the oath of allegience by newly naturalized people you should equally be sensitive about US-born citizens's keeping their oath. Will their citizenship be revoked because some authority (?) decided that they did not mean their oaths? (Are you willing to go under a scrutiny in this respect and risk losing your citizenship?) But who is going to measure levels of allegience?

I think it is both racist and discriminatory to hold this oath on new citizens only as some sort of a weapon. I will take the oath and nobody will (should be able to) challenge me on the genuineness/sincerity of my oath. Because nobody challenges the sincerity of the oath US born citizens take. Nobody should dare challenge naturalized citizens in this respect. Otherwise one could inevitably recall Hitler's concept of citizenship.

My country does not require an oath for citizenship. But it allows for dual or more citizenships to be held.
It is archaic in my opinon if a country jealously wants to keep a monopoly of allegience of its citizens.

Edited by internetkafe, 02 March 2006 - 07:53 PM.

internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-03-02 19:51:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionCitizenship vs. Permanent Resident

Becoming a citizen is not an "administrative" choice to be based on financial or travel advantage. It is an oath of allegiance where you are saying you choose to make this YOUR country.

There are certain certain rights and priveledges that go along with that. There are also some resposibilities that go along with that too.

I am shocked to see potential military service listed as a con (even though it has nothing to do with whether you are a LPR or citizen). All of those currently serving are volunteers. Do you suppose those that volunteered view military service was a negative thing?

Jury duty is just that -- a duty -- one of those responsibilities of being a citizen and is also not a negative thing.

The choice should be based upon allegiance. I don't see anything wrong with remaining here as a LPR for the rest of your life if your allegiance is truly to your home country. I don't think that makes you a "bad" person--in fact, if that's where your allegiance lies, it is the honorable course.

Base this decision on where you stand with regard to the concepts and ideals and policies of the United States and whether you want to swear allegiance to those.



Have you heard about the concept and practice of dual citizenship? There are people with 3-4 citizenships even. What is that ####### of allegience you talk about? In which century are you living?

'Nothing wrong with remaining as LPR for the rest of your life'? Why should they do that? Pay taxes, bear all the burden of living in the US but not benefit from the advantages of citizenship? Do you think people are that sadistic?

Ideals, policies of the US? Do all US citizens support these ideals and policies? If so what does 34% approval rating mean?

I think the government should test each and every US citizen as it does people applying for naturalization. I am sure at least 34% would fail. That should be a way of measuring their 'allegience' to their home country. Citizens failing this test should lose their citizenship and be deported.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-03-02 10:31:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionCitizenship vs. Permanent Resident





How soon after GC can we apply for citizenship?


If you file based on marriage to a U.S. citizen it's 3 years permanant resident status and three years marriage to the U.S. citizen. I think if you file based just permanant resident status it's 5 years.



From what I understand by reading sponsorship documents it seems to me that if you have been married to a US Citizen for 3 years you can apply for naturalization regardless of the length of your permanent resident status. Even if you are a CONDITIONAL PR you can still apply for naturalization 3 years after your marriage.

That is not totally correct, please read the following:

http://uscis.gov/gra...atz/Special.htm
Spouses of U.S. Citizens

Generally, certain lawful permanent residents married to a U.S. citizen may file for naturalization after residing continuously in the United States for three years if immediately preceding the filing of the application:

-the applicant has been married to and living in a valid marital union with the same U.S. citizen spouse for all three years;

-the U.S. spouse has been a citizen for all three years and meets all physical presence and residence requirements; and

-the applicant meets all other naturalization requirements.

http://uscis.gov/gra...natz/faq.htm#q5
When does my time as a Permanent Resident begin?
Your time as a Permanent Resident begins on the date you were granted permanent resident status. This date is on your Permanent Resident Card (formerly known as Alien Registration Card). Click here to view a sample card..


I read the link and your post.
However I found and read the I130 instructions where it reads (in article 13)
'A conditional permanent Resident is not limited to the right to apply for Naturalization[u][color=#FF0000], file petitions on behalf of qualifying relatives or reside permanently in the United States as an immigrant in accordance with our nation's immigration laws.'

What do you understand from this sentence? What I understand from reading this is that a CPR can apply for Naturalization. Is that a correct reading?
On the other hand CPR status can be had for 2 years maximum. Am I right?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-02-22 13:24:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionCitizenship vs. Permanent Resident



How soon after GC can we apply for citizenship?


If you file based on marriage to a U.S. citizen it's 3 years permanant resident status and three years marriage to the U.S. citizen. I think if you file based just permanant resident status it's 5 years.



From what I understand by reading sponsorship documents it seems to me that if you have been married to a US Citizen for 3 years you can apply for naturalization regardless of the length of your permanent resident status. Even if you are a CONDITIONAL PR you can still apply for naturalization 3 years after your marriage.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-02-21 19:52:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionFinally I became a USC

:dance: Today after 16 months of waiting I finally became a USC :dance:


CONGRATS! ;)
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-03-29 10:14:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionFood stamps and citizenship

No, eligibility for citizenship is not income-based

It is if you can't afford the filing fees.

Immigrants are barred from recieving means-tested benefits for their first 5 years in the US.

Not all immigrants. Refugees for example can receive welfare. I think all non I-864 immigrants should be able to? Correct me if I am wrong here. Just taking a guess based on old experience.


You forgot mentioning illegal immigrants (read as 'Mexicans'). They somehow find ways of getting all sorts of benefits including but not limited to food stamps, health insurance from states' budgets.

Nobody signed affidavits of support for illegal immigrants...
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-11-17 20:13:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionBreaking News...
Yeah. Have your read my post? The news might be broken for you just now but not so for others.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-11-27 18:34:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionNew Test
It is not the increased fee that should be main reason for concern. It is the new ambigious -not clearly defined- system for naturalization. It is the increased discretionary power given to the USCIS workers. Among USCIS employees there are ones who got just a short and rudimentary training to carry out their duties. How can anyone expect them to be fair in making judgements on such a crucial matter to millions of people?

Even under the current system many applicants for naturalization claim to be unfairly treated. The processing of their cases is being delayed with no reason/explanation.

There are no one right answer for the questions in the new citizenship test. There are many right answers. Who will decide if one right answer is really right and how? Are there going to be any guarantees that no other consideration (like religion, race, country of origin) will play a role in naturalizing applicants? Is there going to be a fast and effective means of appeal in case of a denial based on defective & impartial judgement on the part of USCIS personnel?

Are there any guarantees that this new system will not be used as a means of discriminating against some people? Will the new Democratic-majority Congress do anything to make sure that the process of naturalization is not made any harder and everyone's case will be processed fairly and without discrimination?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-12-09 15:32:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionNew Test
Hello Kathryn41,

I completely agree with you.

Their excuse for introducing these though tests and other 'criteria' and longer waits & higher fees is the claim that immigrants will feel more attachment to America with these changes. The contrary might be true also. If you want to make immigrants feel included and as a part of the people/nation you should not increase the exclusionary measures... you should not make the time period longer for them to be a part of the people.

What is the most important right the citizens have? Voting. What percentage of citizens actually took part in elections recently? I bet it is less than 50%. On the one hand you have citizens who do not exercize their rights but on the other hand there are immigrants who do not have this right but would want to vote. Because voting is what makes you feel that you exist. If you can not make your voice heard in this way you may as well cease existing. This reminds me of ancient greece where some part of the society was not allowed to vote.



I'm not surprised. My best friend's B-I-L is from Pakistan and his naturalization was held up for over two years after his interview while they kept insisting he hadn't sent all the necessary documents (first his birth certificate, then his last three tax returns, then his marriage certificate, then all of his tax returns since being in the US ...) and they finally had to hire a lawyer to get him approved. His interview was June 2004 and he was naturalized in August 2006.

This sounds dangerously like "Show us how much you agree with George Bush or you can go back where you came from!" to me.

And ... questions about cricket? Does every Australian know the sport inside and out, or are there Australians who loathe it and couldn't care less, just as I loathe football and couldn't care less about baseball.


Hello Sparkofcreation,

That is scary! But the authorities should make it clear before anybody immigrates that if you are from a certain culture/religion you will not be given the opportunity to have the same rights as most people living there.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-11-26 10:20:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionNew Test
Have you heard the news?
USCIS is changing the citizenship test and planning dramatic increase in fees for naturalization application.
The new questions will make the 'test' subjective so if they do not like the person being tested (his/her culture/religion/country of birth/even the appearance and behavior of the applicant at the time of testing) they can fail them without probability of being held accountable. The USCIS had been delaying processing of many applicants because they came from Muslim nations. These applicants hired lawyers to make sure fairness is the only criteria deciding USCIS' course of action. Now the USCIS is getting off the hook with this new test allowing them to be as subjective as they please.

***

from the November 17, 2006 edition - http://www.csmonitor...03s02-ussc.html


US to unveil new citizenship test
Starting this winter, questions will center on American ideals rather than historical facts.
By Ben Arnoldy | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

BOSTON
To gain American citizenship, immigrants must be able to answer such questions as: What was the 49th state added to our Union? What color are the stars on our flag? And who wrote the Star Spangled Banner?

Sound trivial? The US government thinks so, and plans to roll out a new pilot test this winter.

It will continue to be an oral test, conducted in English, and will have 10 questions. Six correct answers will earn a passing grade. But the content, which is tightly under wraps, is expected to shun simple historical facts about America that can be recounted in a few words for more explanation about the principles of American democracy, such as freedom.

The changes raise the bar - critics say too high - for immigrants to show not only that they care enough to study for a test, but also that they understand and share American values. Behind the shift is rising anxiety among Americans about high levels of immigration and European troubles with large, unassimilated communities, say observers.

"Whenever there is a large number of immigrants, people talk about having an assimilation policy," says John Fonte, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, a think tank in Washington. "We've always had an Americanization policy of some type [but] we haven't so much in the last 20, 30 years.... I'd see this as continuing that tradition, which Europe did not do."

Immigrant advocacy groups are wary of the changes, which coincide with a review at the US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) agency that is expected to call for a substantial hike in the $400 citizenship application fees.

"The administration is putting up [another] wall to citizenship for immigrants between a longer application process, higher fees, and what may very well be a more difficult test," says Ali Noorani, of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition. "Immigration is a culture war today. Is the way to lessen the rhetoric in that war to administer a new test?"

Mr. Noorani is withholding final judgment on the changes until they become public Nov. 29.

The revisions are an effort, say officials, to make the test a more teachable moment - without making it more difficult. The questions and answers - which will be publicly available - are expected to draw on concepts in the nation's founding documents. The pilot will be rolled out on a trial basis in 10 cities across the country, including Boston. If participants fail, they can retake the regular test, a test that very few fail.

"Look at the Bill of Rights and some of the values and rights that are enshrined in [it]. Those could possibly be test question topics [as could] the meaning of democracy, the meaning of freedom," says Shawn Saucier, spokesman for the USCIS, adding that some immigrants "come from a culture, a government, a society that is completely removed from our concept of government."

Historians with the USCIS explain that officials have long tried to determine whether a potential citizen feels "attachment" to America. For years that has been interpreted as demonstrating knowledge of the country. The purchase of war bonds and participation in wartime recycling were also seen as proof of attachment.

Canada offers a test similar to the current US one. Other Western nations that are concerned about assimilation are now requiring tests, says Mr. Fonte, and some are taking it a step further. The Netherlands shows a video featuring gay men and beach-going women to ensure that newcomers - particularly Muslims - will be comfortable with the country's liberal social mores. Australia is reportedly considering a test with questions about the sport of cricket.

The changes in the US bring the test closer to the notion sweeping Europe that gaining citizenship requires subscribing to a set of shared values - though no one is likely to be quizzed about the ins and outs of baseball any time soon.

"The receiving nations have been more or less acquiescent - and in a certain sense dissuaded - from foisting expectations of robust civic attachment on the part of the newcomers. And that has had consequences," says John Keeley at the Center for Immigration Studies, citing the terror plots in Britain. "Now we are reconceptualizing what our expectations are."

Fred Tsao, of the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, doubts attachment can be discerned from a test, and blames some of Europe's troubles on unwelcoming policies. His organization joined more than 220 immigrant groups in sending a letter to the USCIS, stating concerns that the new test will raise the bar too high for those with less education.

Both sides agree that citizenship tests are not the only part of assimilation. "For somebody who has come to America for political or religious freedom, every single day is a learning moment, every single day is a moment to cherish. The assumption that a test is going to capture all of that and make everybody get along is a little bit delusional," says Noorani.

Still, the citizenship process has been meaningful for many immigrants, experts say.

"It's valuable as a ritual. Just like someone who is [undergoing] a first communion or a bar mitzvah, they are learning something beforehand, they are going through this process, and there's a ritual or a ceremony at the end ... that's very emotional for people," says Fonte.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2006-11-17 20:23:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionVoting

Do not vote in ANY election until you are a US Citizen unless you want some significant problems during your naturalization interviews... I mean really.. how can you differentiate whether you voted on what you are allowed to and not allowed to when everything is on the same ballot.. And they don't register you to vote on just local elections.. you are registered to vote in ALL elections.. and to do that, you must be a citizen. Misrepresenting yourself as a US Citizen is a big no no...

Don't jeopardize your chances at US Citizenship.. Wait to vote until you are a US Citizen...

Just don't do it...



Yeah...

If you were an illegal immigrant you would have nothing to worry about...and could vote in each and every election you wished using fake documents ...well it does not have to be fake...some states extend state IDs/drivers licenses to illegals. By the way have you heard about Bank of America giving credit cards to illegals? They do not even ask for a SSN. All you need is a bank account in 3 months' good standing.

Since you are a legal resident you should NOT vote in order not to risk deportation!!!!!!!!

Makes sense? Does not it? Not!!!!
internetkafeMaleTurkey2007-03-14 07:26:00
US Citizenship General Discussionanyone mailed out N400 3 day before 90 begin?
QUOTE (Haole @ Sep 11 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (tayoff @ Sep 11 2008, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
its gonna take 3 days to get there
QUOTE (Haole @ Sep 12 2008, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (tayoff @ Sep 11 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
is it gonna b problem if i mailed out 3 days before 90 begin?

USCIS can be " nit picky" when it comes not following the instructions. Wish you luck BUT why would you do such a dumb thing and play with the system after all you've been thru.
I'm sure it will work out in the long run. I guess this is your last chance to be a "masochist" with USCIS being the sadist!!~ LOL


Yeah probably will take 3 days to get there. What ! You in a hurry to vote in the upcoming elections? Not much of a choice! Tell them you are voting for McCain and maybe they'll expedite your petition!!! headbonk.gif
Must feel good that you are on the last trip on having to be a yes man to USCIS. I never have had to "hold my mug and kiss ###" my entire life as I've done in the last 3 years.


LOL
What if the person who happens to process his/her application is a Green Party supporter? ;-)
internetkafeMaleTurkey2008-09-12 17:08:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400 Application
QUOTE (YuAndDan @ Jun 5 2009, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (wannabe_texan @ Jun 5 2009, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have a related question - are others 'front-loading' their apps with lots of stuff, similar to I-751? I mean additional to the transcripts, and marriage cert, are you also sending utility bills, bank statements, mortgage, house deed, insurance etc?

InternetKafe - yes I think certified means certification by the IRS, the tax return transcripts are free from the IRS, but a certified copy of your actual return that was received by the IRS you have to pay for. Its Either/OR not both that USCIS is asking for.

You are applying for citizenship, no relationship evidence required. Read my post it requires the 4 items above if you are filing at 3 years of residency.

They just need, something showing US citizenship of spouse, Living together, marriage cert, and divorce certs.

Keep it simple.


Thank you Wannabe_Texan and YuAndDan, I did not see the 'or' in my excited wonder why they should ask for both, sorry.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-07 08:52:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400 Application
QUOTE (franklocks @ Jun 5 2009, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Folks,

Besides the genereal listed documents( pictures and copy of PR card) at the USCIS website, required for N-4000 application, are there any more documents that may be added to strenghten ones case when filing jointly?

Yours usual input is very much appreciated. blush.gif


-Internal Revenue Service (IRS) - certified copies of the income tax forms that you both filed for the past three years, or
-An IRS tax return transcript for the last three years.

Both or one of them? I am asking since both would include the same information. And 'certified' by whom? Does it have to be certified? IRS return transcripts are official documents already...

Thanks.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-05 15:58:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN 400 Processing times
It is 5-6 months still, is not ? Because the dates are as of 31 March, 2009, not as of today.
So it does not tell me that processing times are longer.
What do you think?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-05 16:09:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionRecent Milwaukee Filers
NickD,

The bureaucracy does not have a face, it is usually anonymous, so it is more difficult to assign accountability and no one wants to be responsible for anything, everyone delegates to get rid of the accountability and not much is achieved as a result. smile.gif

But as you said the general processing times are shorter than before, that is good news for us, 'the customers'.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-08 16:39:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionRecent Milwaukee Filers
Any Milwaukee filers?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-07 08:52:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionRecent Milwaukee Filers
Hello,

It says on the USCIS website that Milwaukee is processing cases dated October 2008 as of March 31, 2009.

Is that in line with your experience in getting processed?

Thank you in advance for sharing your side of the story.
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-05 16:07:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionWhen to file
QUOTE (lucyrich @ Jun 14 2009, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (maika tereza @ Jun 14 2009, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I THINK THERE IS NO REASON TO WAIT EXACTLY FULL 3 YEAR OF MARRIAGE. YOU CAN APPLY 90 DAYS PRIOR TO YOUR 3 YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE ISSUANCE OF YOUR FIRST GREEN CARD


There's a very good reason to wait until at least 3 full years of marriage. You can only file 90 days prior to the three year anniversary of filing the green card if, on the date you file, you have already been married to and living with your US Citizen spouse for a full three years. To see this explained in plain English, see the box at the bottom of page 22 of the M-476:

If you are applying based on 5 years as a Permanent Resident or 3 years as a Permanent Resident married to a U.S. citizen, you may file for naturalization up to 90 days before you meet the continuous residence requirement. For example, if you are applying based on 3 years of continuous residence as a Permanent Resident married to a U.S. citizen, you can apply any time after you have been a Permanent Resident in continuous residence for 3 years minus 90 days. You may send your application before you have met the requirement for continuous residence only. Therefore, you must still have been married to and living with your U.S. citizen spouse for 3 years before you may file your application. You must also meet all the other eligibility requirements when you file your application with USCIS.

If you want to know the reason in the law, note that INA 319 (a) requires that the applicant during the three years immediately preceding the date of filing his application has been living in marital union with the citizen spouse, and it gives no shortcut on this 3 full years of living in marital union. The 90 day shortcut regulation is found in 8 CFR 334.2 (cool.gif, but that regulation only gives a shortcut for the required period of continuous residence.



So? Is this a clarification? What is it in plain English?

3 years continuous residence & being married AFTER becoming a resident MINUS 90 days (33 MONTHS)= You can apply for naturalization. Os that right or not?
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-18 20:37:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionBiometrics
I gave 4 or more times on 4 or more occasions on 4 or more visa(K1+K3+CR1) and PR card applications but they want yet another print-set for naturalization. It is OK, no problem, my fingerprints have not changed but no problem smile.gif
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-20 17:06:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionIs that true? That I can apply for naturalization 3 months before becoming elegible?
Thank you, again Lucyrich, for the clarification. smile.gif
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-22 12:46:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionIs that true? That I can apply for naturalization 3 months before becoming elegible?
http://www.uscis.gov...ments/M-480.pdf
Here on the second page of Naturalization Eligibility Worksheet it says ' I have been a Permanent Resident for LESS THAN THREE YEARS, STOP, you are not eligible to apply for naturalization'.

???
internetkafeMaleTurkey2009-06-21 10:27:00