Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
Asia: East and Pacific	Blue Slip More Information Needed. Help?	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Jul 16 2009, 09:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (calilove @ Jul 15 2009, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Eric and An Thuy @ Jul 15 2009, 10:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You must have your timeline in correct order. Good luck Some people said they still required another timeline even though it was brought to the interview. What is up with this? Seems to me that they won't accept any timeline at the time of the interview? a qualified timeline will be accepted only at a later date to serve their purpose? almost seems like a stalling tactic... They accepted mine when Hien interviewed but with many others, they are told to bring it later. I think it is a way for them to have more time to look at your paperwork, research some things that they want to look at more closely and then look at your timeline a month later. For this reason, I am a big proponent of front-loading the petition. Hit them with absolutely everything so there is not much new for them to have to assess come interview day. They are going to see it all eventually...not sure why one would not want to get it all in early...?? This does not help the OP, but rather a consideration for others who may just be starting the process.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-16 15:13:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Blue Slip More Information Needed. Help?	Great advice by others already given. I agree completely that the issue is the circumstances of your first meeting. Be sure that what you include in the timeline is EXACTLY what you and she described before and not a different version of this meeting. If this were a typical blue slip, I would say that it would not be critical to return to VN when she turns in the new evidence. However, in your case, since the CO invited you into the interview before, he may be looking for you to answer more questions when the new evidence is presented. If at all possible, I would recommend returning to VN with the evidence and supporting your fiancee when she returns to the consulate. Good luck! PS scan your blue slip if you can so that we can better assist you.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-13 14:29:00
Asia: East and Pacific	interview room	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Jul 17 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Jul 17 2009, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The timeline is not a "required" document. That's why there is no specified point at which to hand it in. However, after reading about so many getting blue-slipped for the timeline, I decided to try something different. I produced 2 copies of the timeline and had them both notarized as originals. The first one I had Hien hand in with the required documents at the first window (I added it AFTER all the documents that were mandatory). If they did not accept it or threw it away, no problem. She had another original in her bag in case she was asked for it by the CO during the interview. BUT, they did accept it and, in fact, Hien saw that the CO had it open in front of him during the entire interview and he asked her questions from the information in the timeline. My advice is this: It cannot hurt to try to give them a timeline at the first window. But have another one just in case. They may not accept the first and may not ask for the second, but you must do everything you can to prepare and help your case get approved at the first interview. You will never be sorry for a little extra effort upfront. It might save a lot of extra effort later. Thats what I was planning on doing Todd. Slipping it in with the stuff they ask for at the window... and keeping another just in case The lady who reviews the docs is quite fussy about the order. Be sure to put all the docs in the EXACT order that they specify in the Packet 4 instructions or the wife will be scolded (see other posts on this). I put the timeline AFTER all the required docs so as not to frustrate her with an "out of order" document. It worked.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-17 08:46:00
Asia: East and Pacific	interview room	QUOTE (Haonie @ Jul 17 2009, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (calilove @ Jul 16 2009, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Mr. Leggs @ Jul 16 2009, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> wait for CO to ask goodluck Jerome really? can someone else please confirm this? CO will never asked your fiance at the interview, you're either get the Pink slip or blue if it's require a timeline. It seems they're very busy in the morning and don't have much time to go over the timeline. In the afternoon is the best time for them to review it. The timeline is not a "required" document. That's why there is no specified point at which to hand it in. However, after reading about so many getting blue-slipped for the timeline, I decided to try something different. I produced 2 copies of the timeline and had them both notarized as originals. The first one I had Hien hand in with the required documents at the first window (I added it AFTER all the documents that were mandatory). If they did not accept it or threw it away, no problem. She had another original in her bag in case she was asked for it by the CO during the interview. BUT, they did accept it and, in fact, Hien saw that the CO had it open in front of him during the entire interview and he asked her questions from the information in the timeline. My advice is this: It cannot hurt to try to give them a timeline at the first window. But have another one just in case. They may not accept the first and may not ask for the second, but you must do everything you can to prepare and help your case get approved at the first interview. You will never be sorry for a little extra effort upfront. It might save a lot of extra effort later.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-17 08:00:00
Asia: East and Pacific	attion please Detail Timeline not timeline	QUOTE (luckytxn @ Jul 19 2009, 11:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My timeline was very spartan and to the point. Do not make this harder than what is needed. Never volunteer info. luckytxn, I know that you are in a different place on this issue. But to offer another viewpoint to balance the argument, I would advocate giving them the details, both with the petition and in a timeline. It isn't the details that seem to get you denied, its having your story and your SO's differ that creates many of the problems or if she does not know the answer at all to something that you provide. Good prep will take care of that. Of course, you don't have to give every detail of your life, but telling the history and evolution of your relationship with dates, names, etc, I am not at all sure how that can hurt. Again, just be sure that the two of you say the same thing. I did not find the creation of the timeline hard at all...it was my relationship and I knew the facts. My goal was to get approved at the first interview and not get blue-slipped. Everything that I did was to achieve that goal. Sometimes I may have done more than was necessary but I was determined not to have done too little.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-20 13:01:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Need to hire a lawyer with HCM office	Congrats!!	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-22 09:52:00
Asia: East and Pacific	H1N1 virus in HCM?	H1N1 should not be a primary cause of concern in flight travel now. Take the precautions that are recommended by WHO. Many of us fly regularly domestically and internationally now and we did when H1N1 was at its peak. I drew the line at going to Mexico during that time, but other than that, I felt that there was no more risk than at any other time when I fly. I would not let this interfere with whatever plans you have made to travel or for her to travel here.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-19 11:40:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Interview Completed @ 11 AM on July 24, 2009	QUOTE (Josephs @ Jul 25 2009, 04:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Jul 24 2009, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There have been many posts recently about timelines in HCM. They are just about a requirement now to get a visa in Vietnam. I would recommend to all petitioners to prepare a detailed timeline for your spouse or fiance(e) in advance. There has also been some talk in the last couple of weeks about "timelines" and "detailed timelines". I have never seen any reference in any blue slip from a CO asking for a "simple timeline". Look at the language used in Ly Trinh's blue slip. It is exactly the same as every other request for a timeline. They want to know the details of your relationship. Not every minute of every day but the important aspects of how your relationship began and grew over time. It is true that some are not asked for a timeline. Good for them. But those who are asked need to provide this detailed information. You will be wise to prepare your SO with the timeline in advance so that she has the best chance to get PINK at the first interview. Dai, no offense, but preparing a timeline of your relationship after the interview does not make sense to me. The interview has no affect whatsoever on the history and evolution of your relationship, which is what the timeline is for. If other information is needed, they will ask for it and you can provide it but putting the answers to the questions from the interview into your timeline is not necessary in my opinion and not what the CO is asking for. Create a detailed timeline of your relationship and prep your SO well for the interview so she knows the answers to the questions when they ask her. And if you have an ex-wife, prepare the paperwork about that in advance as well. Your objective should be to get the PINK at the first interview not to use it as a reconnaissance mission to gather intel for the next try. All of the keys to a successful interview in HCM are in these posts. The questions are all here, the information about what is needed in the timeline is here, information about ex-wife data is here. If you are going to spend time in this forum, you would be wise to take the learnings of those before you and do what is needed to get the PINK. It works. Ly Trinh: You are almost there. One more hoop to jump through and she will be going home with you. Good luck! hi check yoru PMs I sent you mine, fixed and updated, almost. if you could just take one more look at it! Thx joseph, I never got it. send it again if you want me to look at it or you can e-mail it to me. Thanks	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-28 11:35:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Interview Completed @ 11 AM on July 24, 2009	QUOTE (luckytxn @ Jul 24 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Jul 24 2009, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> There have been many posts recently about timelines in HCM. They are just about a requirement now to get a visa in Vietnam. I would recommend to all petitioners to prepare a detailed timeline for your spouse or fiance(e) in advance. There has also been some talk in the last couple of weeks about "timelines" and "detailed timelines". I have never seen any reference in any blue slip from a CO asking for a "simple timeline". Look at the language used in Ly Trinh's blue slip. It is exactly the same as every other request for a timeline. They want to know the details of your relationship. Not every minute of every day but the important aspects of how your relationship began and grew over time. It is true that some are not asked for a timeline. Good for them. But those who are asked need to provide this detailed information. You will be wise to prepare your SO with the timeline in advance so that she has the best chance to get PINK at the first interview. Dai, no offense, but preparing a timeline of your relationship after the interview does not make sense to me. The interview has no affect whatsoever on the history and evolution of your relationship, which is what the timeline is for. If other information is needed, they will ask for it and you can provide it but putting the answers to the questions from the interview into your timeline is not necessary in my opinion and not what the CO is asking for. Create a detailed timeline of your relationship and prep your SO well for the interview so she knows the answers to the questions when they ask her. And if you have an ex-wife, prepare the paperwork about that in advance as well. Your objective should be to get the PINK at the first interview not to use it as a reconnaissance mission to gather intel for the next try. All of the keys to a successful interview in HCM are in these posts. The questions are all here, the information about what is needed in the timeline is here, information about ex-wife data is here. If you are going to spend time in this forum, you would be wise to take the learnings of those before you and do what is needed to get the PINK. It works. Ly Trinh: You are almost there. One more hoop to jump through and she will be going home with you. Good luck! Of course since you are the expert and know exactly what needs to be done then by all means make sure you guide this couple and get them the pink. I knew I had several red flags and that timeline would be needed and waited till after the interview to send it. I had one made up and she even had it with her and told her to submit it if they asked for it. They did not and the blue asked for that and a list of relatives in the states. As we were making the list up and getting the info for it I made a new timeline or just added it two things from the interview to make sure the interview and timeline came together more. One was to add the exact date from where I did an approximate before and something I added that was not there before and then went and notarized it as I knew they would want a notarized date from AFTER the interview. (Or assumed they did) My timeline was a detailed timeline but it was not even a full page long. I just put in any major milestones along the way and left it at that. There is no need to fluff up the timeline and add or put in not needed stuff. Never give them info that is not needed. The less said the better. Never volunteer anything to just make a long timeline. Now to each their own but Dai and I and many others have somehow gotten the pink and have our babes here so maybe we got lucky and all. Just maybe when he or others that have gone through it may know something to help but of course each has to do what they think is needed for their own case. luckytxn, I never said that I was any more of an expert than the rest of the folks on here. I am sharing my opinion and trying to do it in a professional way. I am offering advice that makes sense to me, just exactly the way that you are. At times I don't agree with you or others. I think that's ok. Any reader can take advice from several of us here and decide for him or herself what makes sense. Every case is different and none of us ever know all the details of any case other than our own. To be clear, I have never stated that the timeline needs to be any particular length. Mine was very long only because I had been to Vietnam many times and had those events to share. Again, each petitioner is different and each case is different. But the blue slips always ask for a detailed timeline with particular information. I am only urging petitioners to avoid simplifying the timeline to the point that it does not provide the information that the consulate is looking for.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-24 16:18:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Interview Completed @ 11 AM on July 24, 2009	There have been many posts recently about timelines in HCM. They are just about a requirement now to get a visa in Vietnam. I would recommend to all petitioners to prepare a detailed timeline for your spouse or fiance(e) in advance. There has also been some talk in the last couple of weeks about "timelines" and "detailed timelines". I have never seen any reference in any blue slip from a CO asking for a "simple timeline". Look at the language used in Ly Trinh's blue slip. It is exactly the same as every other request for a timeline. They want to know the details of your relationship. Not every minute of every day but the important aspects of how your relationship began and grew over time. It is true that some are not asked for a timeline. Good for them. But those who are asked need to provide this detailed information. You will be wise to prepare your SO with the timeline in advance so that she has the best chance to get PINK at the first interview. Dai, no offense, but preparing a timeline of your relationship after the interview does not make sense to me. The interview has no affect whatsoever on the history and evolution of your relationship, which is what the timeline is for. If other information is needed, they will ask for it and you can provide it but putting the answers to the questions from the interview into your timeline is not necessary in my opinion and not what the CO is asking for. Create a detailed timeline of your relationship and prep your SO well for the interview so she knows the answers to the questions when they ask her. And if you have an ex-wife, prepare the paperwork about that in advance as well. Your objective should be to get the PINK at the first interview not to use it as a reconnaissance mission to gather intel for the next try. All of the keys to a successful interview in HCM are in these posts. The questions are all here, the information about what is needed in the timeline is here, information about ex-wife data is here. If you are going to spend time in this forum, you would be wise to take the learnings of those before you and do what is needed to get the PINK. It works. Ly Trinh: You are almost there. One more hoop to jump through and she will be going home with you. Good luck!	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-24 09:03:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Bad news....	QUOTE (Josephs @ Jul 31 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My Fiancee went to the doctor today for her medical, They told her she might have lung tuberculosis. she isnt coughing and doesnt have a feaver. I still plan to go to vietnam but she will not be comming back with me. if she does for sure have TB then i will move to vietnam. but this is all worst case. at best she will get approved for her visa but she will have to wait 2 months until they know for sure if she has TB or not. her interview is the 12th of August and we still plan to go. I understand the TB is curable. so we will just have to wait and see what happens. Just wanted to give you a heads up. joseph, did they tell her that she will need to begin the treatment process? A similar thing happened to another VJ member recently, cao luu. you should PM him for some advice if he does not see this. Yes, it is curable and typically takes 2-3 months from what I have been told.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-31 15:31:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Returning to the States and POE question	QUOTE (Mike and Thanh @ Aug 4 2009, 02:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Kevin, I hope you don't mind me asking a question in your thread. At the POE, I know there is a separate line for USC and non USC. Will they let me accompany her in the non USC line or maybe her with me in the USC line? I asked this because my fiancee doesn't know any English. So if they ask her anything, she wouldn't understand. And congrats Kevin, my fiancee just passed her interview too. Yes, you can go through with her in the non-USC line. I did and many others have, as well. It actually makes it easier on the officer there if you accompany her since she does not speak Engligh. It is very unlikely that they would have a VN speaking person to help.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-05 07:53:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Returning to the States and POE question	all she needs to have in her possession (carry-on) are her passport (visa will be inside) and the brown envelope. anything elase can be packed if needed. be sure she carries the brown envelope with her because she will do POE before she collects her bags.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-04 08:21:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Timeline needed for HCM Consulate Interview	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Jul 20 2009, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Jul 20 2009, 02:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Hien @ Jul 20 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Jul 20 2009, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Hien @ Jul 20 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Jul 20 2009, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Hien @ Jul 20 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (vietazn @ Jul 19 2009, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are separate timelines written by each person needed for HCM? If so, can one timeline be in Vietnamese and the other be written in English, or are they to be translated into one language? Are both turned in at the same time? You only need to write one timeline in English. Someone was required by Consulate for notary. Relationship Status need to be written by both sides. Relationship status? Sorry, it is Statement of Relationship. This is not necessarily true. Hien (my fiancee) never wrote a "statement of relationship" nor did she write or sign any statement of intent to marry me other than the statement that is part of the DS-156K. One timeline in English (signed by the petitioner and notarized) is all that is needed. Yes. Statement of Relationship or Intent to marry. One of them is enough. I just want to make sure you do one of them. If you have "Intent to marry", you should write timeline. If you have "Statement of Relationship", you may not need the timeline because the "Statement of Relationship" shows it alread. Hien, I am just curious where you are getting these rules. This may confuse many readers. My fiancee did not sign any intent to marry or anything else. Ever. I wrote a detailed timeline that I signed. She only signed US Government forms, as required. The guides say Intent to marry for both USC and SO Yup. didn't do it and no RFE and never asked. I do not see where they are required for submission of the petition so did not include. applicant will sign intent to marry on the DS-156K at interview. I am just curious where Hien got his/her rules on intent to marry, timeline and statements of relationship. Never seen those rules before.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-20 14:26:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Timeline needed for HCM Consulate Interview	QUOTE (Hien @ Jul 20 2009, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Jul 20 2009, 09:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Hien @ Jul 20 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Jul 20 2009, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Hien @ Jul 20 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (vietazn @ Jul 19 2009, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are separate timelines written by each person needed for HCM? If so, can one timeline be in Vietnamese and the other be written in English, or are they to be translated into one language? Are both turned in at the same time? You only need to write one timeline in English. Someone was required by Consulate for notary. Relationship Status need to be written by both sides. Relationship status? Sorry, it is Statement of Relationship. This is not necessarily true. Hien (my fiancee) never wrote a "statement of relationship" nor did she write or sign any statement of intent to marry me other than the statement that is part of the DS-156K. One timeline in English (signed by the petitioner and notarized) is all that is needed. Yes. Statement of Relationship or Intent to marry. One of them is enough. I just want to make sure you do one of them. If you have "Intent to marry", you should write timeline. If you have "Statement of Relationship", you may not need the timeline because the "Statement of Relationship" shows it alread. Hien, I am just curious where you are getting these rules. This may confuse many readers. My fiancee did not sign any intent to marry or anything else. Ever. I wrote a detailed timeline that I signed. She only signed US Government forms, as required.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-20 13:08:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Timeline needed for HCM Consulate Interview	QUOTE (Hien @ Jul 20 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Jul 20 2009, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Hien @ Jul 20 2009, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (vietazn @ Jul 19 2009, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are separate timelines written by each person needed for HCM? If so, can one timeline be in Vietnamese and the other be written in English, or are they to be translated into one language? Are both turned in at the same time? You only need to write one timeline in English. Someone was required by Consulate for notary. Relationship Status need to be written by both sides. Relationship status? Sorry, it is Statement of Relationship. This is not necessarily true. Hien (my fiancee) never wrote a "statement of relationship" nor did she write or sign any statement of intent to marry me other than the statement that is part of the DS-156K. One timeline in English (signed by the petitioner and notarized) is all that is needed.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-20 11:55:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Timeline needed for HCM Consulate Interview	There is no timeline "format". The timeline is not officially "required". The list of questions that I have seen in a sample timeline format are just examples of what you may want to answer in your timeline. But, by no means is that "the" list of questions to answer. I personally think that the question and answer format is "cold". Every couple has a different story, a different history, different circumstances, and therefore, a different timeline. We used a narrative format that was 6 pages and also included a 7th page, which was a table summary of my visits to VN that showed dates, why (business or personal), how many days we were together and a brief note of what we did on that visit. Sure, the format can be what you choose, but I will offer another piece of advice on this. LEVERAGE everything you do to do the most work for you. Regarding the timeline, here's what I mean: You could do a 1 page timeline that answers 10 questions and say almost nothing. OR, you could tell them your "Love Story" (credit to Anh Map for coining the term). Take them on your journey from the first time you met, what you did, how you felt, how incredible she is, how much you want a life with her in the US. If they actually read your timeline, make it WORK for you. Don't be scared to tell them about your relationship together, just be sure that she sings the same song verbally when she goes in. Create the timeline together. Talk about your important relationship events. True love can be seen and felt by others if you let it (sorry, mushy but true). And contrary to advice by others in VJ-land, I recommend front-loading the ####### out of your case, especially in VN. I wrote a 3 page timeline that I included with my petition. It had our story up to the point that I submitted the petition. I then took that document, added to it and notarized it for our final timeline that Hien took with her. This visa process is one of the most important things that you will ever do. Work it hard and get the PINK!	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-06-18 12:13:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Timeline needed for HCM Consulate Interview	QUOTE (kevinbui86 @ Apr 23 2009, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Apr 23 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> NOTE: This information is directed ONLY at VJ'ers going through the HCM consulate in Vietnam. Just thought I would share this information with everyone to reinforce the importance of preparing and bringing a detailed timeline to the interview in HCM. Hien went yesterday for her medical at Cho Ray. She said that the place was packed with people, all doing the medical for a US Visa. The topic that was discussed the most with everyone was the timeline. Many women had family members who had been interviewed before and the Number 1 reason for people not being approved at the initial interview was failure to have a timeline or having a timeline that was not detailed. She was shocked at how many people that were there had never heard about the timeline requirement and how many knew about it but did not know what it was or how to prepare it. This timeline is an absolute must at HCM. Petitioners, please be sure that you have this timeline prepared and notarized and provided for your spouse or fiance(e) to bring to the interview. If you read this and do not know how to do the timeline, please ask and we can help you. Do not skip this thinking that you can get away without it. bro not to be rude or anything but you need to state that its for K-1 visas only. CR-1 visas are not require a timeline. getting a lot of us CR-1's confused bro, not to be rude or anything but CR-1 visas are now being asked for timelines. Ask Mr. Leggs. It is not a REQUIREMENT for any kind of visa. It is not listed as a REQUIRED document anywhere. But it IS being asked for at or after the interview in many, many cases. That's why I made this original post...to alert readers to the fact that this one document could be the difference between your SO walking out with PINK or BLUE. Up to you, bro.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-06-12 15:48:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Timeline needed for HCM Consulate Interview	In this regional forum, I would think anh would be fine if you need to use some descriptor because neither Americans nor Vietnamese could be offended by it. But in any public forum responses can be just directly stated without any salutation at all. I guess bro is fine if two people know each other personally and want to have that bond between them. Not the case here. In addition, it makes one sound like they are 18. yes and maybe a little low class. I am pretty sure that most folks in the US don't think it is respectful for younger people to call them bro. Actually quite the opposite.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-04-24 08:02:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Timeline needed for HCM Consulate Interview	QUOTE (kevinbui86 @ Apr 23 2009, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Apr 23 2009, 12:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> NOTE: This information is directed ONLY at VJ'ers going through the HCM consulate in Vietnam. Just thought I would share this information with everyone to reinforce the importance of preparing and bringing a detailed timeline to the interview in HCM. Hien went yesterday for her medical at Cho Ray. She said that the place was packed with people, all doing the medical for a US Visa. The topic that was discussed the most with everyone was the timeline. Many women had family members who had been interviewed before and the Number 1 reason for people not being approved at the initial interview was failure to have a timeline or having a timeline that was not detailed. She was shocked at how many people that were there had never heard about the timeline requirement and how many knew about it but did not know what it was or how to prepare it. This timeline is an absolute must at HCM. Petitioners, please be sure that you have this timeline prepared and notarized and provided for your spouse or fiance(e) to bring to the interview. If you read this and do not know how to do the timeline, please ask and we can help you. Do not skip this thinking that you can get away without it. bro not to be rude or anything but you need to state that its for K-1 visas only. CR-1 visas are not require a timeline. getting a lot of us CR-1's confused OK, good to clarify. I was not aware of that. but no need to call everyone bro. That part is rude. thanks	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-04-23 13:07:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Timeline needed for HCM Consulate Interview	NOTE: This information is directed ONLY at VJ'ers going through the HCM consulate in Vietnam. Just thought I would share this information with everyone to reinforce the importance of preparing and bringing a detailed timeline to the interview in HCM. Hien went yesterday for her medical at Cho Ray. She said that the place was packed with people, all doing the medical for a US Visa. The topic that was discussed the most with everyone was the timeline. Many women had family members who had been interviewed before and the Number 1 reason for people not being approved at the initial interview was failure to have a timeline or having a timeline that was not detailed. She was shocked at how many people that were there had never heard about the timeline requirement and how many knew about it but did not know what it was or how to prepare it. This timeline is an absolute must at HCM. Petitioners, please be sure that you have this timeline prepared and notarized and provided for your spouse or fiance(e) to bring to the interview. If you read this and do not know how to do the timeline, please ask and we can help you. Do not skip this thinking that you can get away without it.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-04-23 11:31:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Visa Denied...Please Help!!!	I suspect that there were some number of red flags in your case that got the CO concerned about whether you have a legitimate relationship. You need to honestly assess what they are so that you can deal with them. Lots of information here about red flags in HCM. Doing things in your relationship that are not typical for Vietnamese people to do would be of particular concern. For example, it appears from your post that you may be somewhat young (~20?). Is he older than you? Not saying that this should matter but it seems to in VN. Many older males in the US petition for a younger VN female (which is culturally the norm in VN as well) but younger women petitioning for older men could cause undue attention in your case. And him proposing to you before your first interview might have been an issue as well. Also, how were you introduced? If it was through family, this has to be dealt with as it causes concerns for the CO. Who paid for you to fly back to VN 5 times? Finally, his answers in the interview probably did not help your case. If he misunderstood the questions or the CO did not understand him well, this confusion may have been part of the reason for the denial. It seems that the timing of the engagement ceremony in the development of ones relationship is very carefully looked at within the HCM consulate. I suspect that the relationship timing was a large factor. The other questions just confirmed their concerns. So now what do you do? I would recommend 3 things and I would recommend doing them immediately. Once your case leaves HCM, you will be faced with a very long battle and a lot of waiting. 1. Go there and use the open visit periods (twice a week...see the HCM consulate website for times) to speak to a CO and ask that your case be held in HCM for further review because you have more evidence that you would like to share. 2. Get an attorney like Marc Ellis in HCM. He appears to be very helpful in challenging cases such as yours. 3. Contact your senators and the congressperson from your district and ask for their help. At least try to get them to have your case held at the consulate until you can get there. Good luck to both of you.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-07-29 12:03:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Interview Today!!!!	Congrats, Joseph and Phi!	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-13 12:20:00
Asia: East and Pacific	ND blue slip Can we do anything?	QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Aug 20 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!! Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC? She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are a. Must be a total mental handi cap b. must be a total A hole c. Must have absolutely no common sense d. must not have a I.Q. over 2 Jerome, you do realize that this is a public forum, right? And that you used your real first name and your fiancee's real first name? I think it is OK to complain in general about the system and the toughness, etc. But making derogatory comments about the COs' intellectual capabilities and personality style won't help and could hurt. Just a thought	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 11:38:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Good News for a Saturday	Chuc Mung, Linh!!!!! T&H	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-09-20 10:35:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Another HCMC black eye	QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Sep 20 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Sep 20 2009, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Sep 20 2009, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I also think Scott is correct and incorrect. I do not think it is just Vietnam that people say be careful not congrats to, but to all countries. Jerome When did I say this only happens in VN or with VN spouses? VN is one of several countries dealing with this, but it happens to be one of a few at the top end of the list. The reason they are saying you are being scammed is because the SO is from VN. They would not say that if she was from Canada. I know Scott, but there is high fraud from the Philippines, Ukraine, Russia, and other countries as well. Maybe not as high as Vietnam, but every person going abroad is stuck with the stigma that you are being scammed. Really sit back and think for one moment and you will see it is not only Vietnam. I had a different foreign Fiancée before Binh and she was from the Ukraine, I got the same thing there. Then after we broke up I started to write people from other countries and before the woman from Ukraine I was writing a woman from Indonesia, same thing there, and with the Philippines as well and now with Vietnam. I think people say "be careful" because they worry about you genuinely and they know you are not with the person and can not easily check up on them because they are thousands of miles away. I have truly heard of more fraud from the Philippines and former Soviet countries than in Vietnam, but everyone insists of Vietnam is the worst in this forum. On paper maybe, but I have heard of friends friends from other countries way more than from Vietnam. Scott, about your other post. I know the doubt, but it is not good, do not worry about what people say, and try to not let it get into your head. Your fiancée will do things for you that no other person can do. No matter how mad or your family gets (not saying they are mad) once she is here and they see how happy you two are together they will understand they were wrong. If you have doubts now clear your head and trust your heart. If I get played for a green card, who cares. I trusted in my heart, how can you go wrong in doing that?? I trust Binh, and I believe in her. I do not and will not try to tell you to or not to trust your fiancée, but I will tell you to trust in your heart, don't look for red flags you will always find them if you look hard enough. Remember it is always easier to doubt than to accept. Just trust in your heart and you will be fine. If something strange happens, write a letter then tear it up before you talk to her about it. There is never anything good coming from assuming the worst and expecting a explanation. I have jumped the gun in the past, and I saw how it affected my relationships. I still do at times it is human instinct, just try to cool down and bring things up casually this way you do not make her feel you are pointing fingers. As you said you already told her how your family views it so each time you point a finger and ask what the heck it makes her feel worse and worse. Eventually she will get the doubts as well. If you accuse someone of something long enough more often than not they will do what they were accused of simply because you already thought they did it. Just have faith in your heart all else will work out. Jerome Jerome, give Jim and Scott a break. This is not personal. Remember that we ALL have girls from VN, not just you. And nobody is singling out Viet Nam. There are scammers from every part of the world, for sure, but the fact is that VN is a high fraud country. We just have to deal with that. I'm sure Binh is a great girl and you two will be happy mai mai. But many others have encountered problems in VN and we are just taking the opportunity to discuss those events.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-09-20 10:41:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Another HCMC black eye	QUOTE (Hien @ Sep 19 2009, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm not trying to persuade all of you that all Vietnamese brides came to US are in truthful marriage, but if your guys didn't believe them, why don't your guys come to Vietnam to live with them to avoid scammers coming to your country? Hummm, I like that idea. I should ask him to come to VN so I didn't have to give up my house, my University degree and my good job to come to the USA to work in McDonald restaurant to look for money to came back to school. I had to start over everything. You chose the wrong ones by yourselves and now complain for all of the brides. If that were the better of the two options (him going there or you coming here) then you should have. But you are missing the point here, Hien. How many American guys scam their VN girls by getting into VN and then leaving them? Zero. This issue is about opportunity and standards of living. Perhaps you led a privileged life in VN and were unaware of the way most VN people live. My wife, also named Hien, is from a tiny village in the Mekong region. She is very aware of the differences. When we began discussing marriage she quickly knew that we could not have the same standard of living there as we do here in the US, because we talked about both options. She also understands fully why many young women would do just about anything to get into the US. Nobody here is saying that all VN girls are bad. On the contrary, I think most are quite good and honest. But VN did not get a reputation as being a high fraud country by accident or by mistake. Viet Nam is a developing country and until there is some normalization of economies between the US and VN, many will seek refuge here.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-09-20 10:29:00
Asia: East and Pacific	GRRR.....(84-8) 3520 4200	QUOTE (lindal24 @ Sep 28 2009, 09:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> said and done with the senators/congressperson...wasn't much help, but what can I do to make them help huh? Maybe they're still working on getting ahold of the embassy too! Just curious what you got for a response from your washington reps. If it has been awhile with no action or status, I would certainly call them again. BTW, the senators and congressional representatives have direct e-mail access to the Chief. Both of my senators and my congresswoman wrote letters to the consulate on my behalf before the interview and got next day response letters from the Chief. It is an issue of motivation on their part, not accessibility. In the end, however, it all comes down to the consulate. They will decide when they are ready to decide. All the hounding in the world will not expedite the resolution but better to take some action than no action. Good luck.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-09-28 11:23:00
Asia: East and Pacific	GRRR.....(84-8) 3520 4200	The consulate in HCM changed the phone system about 6 months ago. You can no longer call them and talk to a person. You can e-mail your questions and they will respond. Plan on waiting about 4-5 business days for a response from a staff person. Alternatively, the USC can visit them and speak to a CO at the consulate at an "open call" session two afternoons a week. See website for details. I would continue your campaign of e-mailing them regularly so that they can see your level of interest. In addition, I would strongly encourage you to get your senators and congressperson involved.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-09-28 08:23:00
Asia: East and Pacific	HCMC Interview docs organization...	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Sep 28 2009, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Sep 28 2009, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Scott, we opted to not include any of the studio pics because they were wedding shots not dam hoi shots. Not sure what you folks did. I did not want to in any way get the CO thinking that we had married while applying for a K-1. Hien wanted to do it because it is popular in VN, it was relatively inexpensive and they produced a very nice book full of the shots with lots of different computer-generated backgrounds. But they were just for us to enjoy, not the CO. Regarding you being the camera operator, we carried a small tripod with adjustable legs with us everywhere and used the self-timer on the camera to take all of our shots. If we didn't do that, we would never have had any of the 2 of us. We got the same pics you did at the studio, but we didnt get computer gen backgrounds... just the props they had.. I have been torn by that same issue.. include the wedding pics when a wedding has not taken place.. not this go.. I am including all of the ones in dresses other than Wedding dress... Will have Dam Hoi end of November... Will for sure have those pics.. I will get a tripod so We have more pics of the next visit.. it may be just before the interview... The tripod I have been using has three spider legs with articulating joints so you can clamp it onto anything nearby. Has worked great and allowed us to get some great shots in places that otherwise would not have been possible. We still use it here in the US when we are boating or biking...never know when you want to snap a shot and nobody is around to ask. QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Sep 28 2009, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (lindal24 @ Sep 28 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Those books ARE really nice...I wished we would have done that just for the book, but I REALLY don't like taking pictures! I dont like the photo sessions either.. over 3 hours and I was really sick that day... You can still get one done.. It is a great dealover there compared to the same thing here and the quality of the pictures was excellent. I hate picture taking as well...but I did a 7-hour session for her. we were exhausted at the end of the day!!	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-09-28 12:48:00
Asia: East and Pacific	HCMC Interview docs organization...	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Sep 26 2009, 08:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (toddandhien @ Sep 26 2009, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> They can't assess what they can't see. I would avoid skimping too much, especially with the pix. The CO asked for our pics and Hien gave all of them. 1 stack of 100 or so from the Dinh Hon and another stack of 100 or so from our times together, including with friends, family. He fanned through the misc. pix but actually looked at the Dinh Hon pix. he seemed impressed by the magnitude, which showed all the different times and places we were together. Be sure that you include the date and location of the pix on the back. Also, be sure to separate your evidence between pre-engagement and post-engagement. Unless they have changed that rule. They have a sampling of pics from every trip of us all together in the initial packet several cities and several dates.. I dont want to show them 5 or 6 pics at the same location unless its different pairings of people in the pic. They all have the dates places and who is in them... will likely have 100 or more from the Dam Hoi... The crappy part is that I am usually the one taking the pictures and that leaves me out most of the time... I have as many pictures of her and my son together as I do of her and me together except for the couple hundred they took at the studio... Do you think they want to see all of those studio posed pics? Scott, we opted to not include any of the studio pics because they were wedding shots not dam hoi shots. Not sure what you folks did. I did not want to in any way get the CO thinking that we had married while applying for a K-1. Hien wanted to do it because it is popular in VN, it was relatively inexpensive and they produced a very nice book full of the shots with lots of different computer-generated backgrounds. But they were just for us to enjoy, not the CO. Regarding you being the camera operator, we carried a small tripod with adjustable legs with us everywhere and used the self-timer on the camera to take all of our shots. If we didn't do that, we would never have had any of the 2 of us.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-09-28 11:29:00
Asia: East and Pacific	HCMC Interview docs organization...	They can't assess what they can't see. I would avoid skimping too much, especially with the pix. The CO asked for our pics and Hien gave all of them. 1 stack of 100 or so from the Dinh Hon and another stack of 100 or so from our times together, including with friends, family. He fanned through the misc. pix but actually looked at the Dinh Hon pix. he seemed impressed by the magnitude, which showed all the different times and places we were together. Be sure that you include the date and location of the pix on the back. Also, be sure to separate your evidence between pre-engagement and post-engagement. Unless they have changed that rule.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-09-26 18:00:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Visa example form	QUOTE (lindal24 @ Oct 5 2009, 11:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The multiple entry visa is only good over a number of months--1,3, 6months, and 1 year (I don't know if they got rid of the 1 year visa yet or not...). The multiple entry visa expires at the same time your visa expires. Also, something to think about is the cost...if you're certain you'll be entering multiple times, I'd say go for it, but if not, just go with the single entry and apply for another entry visa --it's only 25 bucks. I paid 130 for a multiple entry 3 month visa and ended up not using it. I have had 5 visas to VN but I have never been able to get a multiple entry for more than 6 months for either business or tourist. If you plan to go more than once in a relatively short timeframe, the multiple entry is handy to avoid re-applying.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-10-05 10:34:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Time Line, Relative List, Letter of Intent	QUOTE (fred n Dao Honey @ Sep 22 2009, 04:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (WeatherEmperor @ Sep 21 2009, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Scott, That sounds excellent. The more I reading I do at VJ, the more I realize that Thu and I need more time. I am starting to think that right now is not the time to begin filing for the K-1. Thu and I just need to be patient. We need more research and more time. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that I am abandoning the K-1 Visa. I just think that we need more time. Scott, I met Thu in Singapore while we were both on vacation. So while we put the K-1 Visa on hold, would you recommend that I go visit her in Vietnam or if she visits me in Florida? Would that be ok for now is that bad? <CARRICK> Do not file for a Visitors Visa if you are intending to to file for a K-1 Visa. When you apply for K-1 Visa the denied Visitor Visa will be a "RED FLAG". It seems the consulate looks apon any attempt to come to the USA as an attempt to commit fraud. The K-1 filing immediatly after a denied Visitor Visa attempt will not look good. They have the thought of, (you tried to trick us once with visitor visa and failed now you try to tick us again with k-1 visa) Don't make the same naive mistake I did in thinking these people in the consulate have any idea how a "Normal" couple act. I thought, I came to your house and met your mom now you should come to my house and meet my mom. It doesn't work that way. 8 Months in AP, Fred Applying for a tourist visa is not necessarily an immediate red flag. My wife applied for one early in our relationship in hopes of coming here to spend time with me and see the US. It was, of course, denied. We acknowledged when she applied again (its on the DS-156 form) that she had applied for a tourist visa and was denied. She was prepared to discuss it at the interview but it was never mentioned and she was approved without a blue slip or AP. It has been stated here by others many times that each case is very different. What may cause concern in one case may not be an issue in another. It is the totality of the case that matters. Your case and relationship development needs to make sense to an average person. I believe that is the litmus test that the COs use...would this be believable to the average person. If you scrutinize your own case and have to squint or describe it to a friend and they say that it doesn't smell right, you may need to address those areas that raise concerns. Regarding the tourist visa, it is essentially impossible for a young lady from VN to get a tourist visa at any stage of the game unless they have significant assets, which, honestly, most folks in VN do not have. Only costs $130 to try but expectations should be set very low.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-10-07 11:48:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Just a little bright spot in the HCMC world	Thanks, Roger! And thanks to others for their kind words. I can assure you that it was worth all the waiting and all the prep for the HCM interview. Patience and planning will bring the Pink!	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-11 19:06:00
Asia: East and Pacific	HCM medical	My wife went to Cho Ray and had a very good experience. Remember that the conditions are in the eye of the beholder. You cannot measure facilities in VN to US standards. I think the most important thing is for the person going to the physical to be comfortable and confident. The sound of the IOM was a little intimidating to my wife so she chose Cho Ray. Physical one day and results I think 2 days later. You can go anywhere for a pre-screen if you pay for it. As stated before the results don't count, but for many, the peace of mind is worth it.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-10-10 10:59:00
Asia: East and Pacific	HCMC and Email.	QUOTE (Josephs @ Oct 13 2009, 09:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Dai_Tx @ Oct 13 2009, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Josephs @ Oct 13 2009, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Would a call to them be better?(faster?) I heard it is ok to call about 4pm (HCMC time) I tried calling them several times before and it got me no where. I think the best way is email so that CO who answers the email has more time to look at the case before replying back to you. Another way people have been getting success in is actually showing up at the consulate on Tuesday and Wednesday from 4:00pm to 5:00pm. You or your wife/fiancee can actually talk to a CO face to face about your case. I have asked my fiancee to go to the consulate but she told me her lawyer said to wait until the 20th to ask. But i worry that they never got her 2nd medical. because my fiancee did not submit, the doctor said he would send it to them on the 12th. so i want to make sure we are not waiting for nothing. The open call hours to see the CO are for US citizens only: "From 4:00 pm to 5:00 pm on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, a Consular Section staff member is available to answer questions concerning the status of immigrant visa cases. Petitioners may submit documents for cases not closed administratively by the Consulate but reviews will take place later. Applicants will not be re-interviewed and cases closed administratively by the Consulate will not be re-opened or reviewed during this time. PLEASE NOTE: this service is only available to U.S. citizen petitioners during the times mentioned above. U.S. citizens who wish to take advantage of this opportunity must bring their U.S. passport and the case information form to the Consulate and arrive between 3:45 pm and 4:15 pm on the days mentioned above and proceed to Window B in Immigrant Visa waiting area. The U.S. Consulate General is closed on Vietnamese and American holidays." You cannot call them. That feature went away about 8 months ago. I e-mailed them several times looking for status information as our case bobbed along at the consulate. I always received a professional response in 4-5 business days from a staffer with whatever information was available on our case at that time. Patience is difficult at a time like this, but it is all you can do now.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-10-14 11:07:00
Asia: East and Pacific	HCM interview items	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Oct 14 2009, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Everybody gets the same directions for P4 so I have everything assembled already. The thickest is less than 1 inch. Scott, the lady that reviews the docs will take the package apart and review the items for completeness. Anything that does not belong will be returned immediately. Remember that you will have originals and copies in this package. I assembled them in order and held the stack together with a big metal binder clip. My wife handed the stack to the lady and she was able to pop the clip off and go through them very quickly. If you Acco them, she may not be happy. What you can Acco is your evidence. I did with mine since there was a lot (although they never looked at it).	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-10-14 11:12:00
Asia: East and Pacific	HCM interview items	Part II is not in the list of docs and is not required. I did not even fill it out since it was not a requested item. We had no issues at the consulate. They are looking for EXACTLY what is on the list in the order they specify.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-10-13 18:48:00
Asia: East and Pacific	what need to be translated	QUOTE (b_weeks @ Oct 13 2009, 11:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Any document that is currently in VEITNAMESE. Including Birth Certificate, Household Registration, Police Certificate, etc. Even letters, chat logs, etc. Please enter a timeline so people can provide more accurate answers when you post questions.... If this is for the HCM Consulate, none of these documents need to be translated if they are in either English or Vietnamese. Here is an excerpt from Packet 3 instructions: "Step 2: While waiting for interview to be scheduled, applicants should prepare the following documents (copy and original). All documents not in English or Vietnamese must be accompanied by certified translation, which include a statement by the translator stating “Translation is accurate” and “Translator is competent to translate”. We will return the original documents after the interview." You will ultimately need her birth certificate in English for AOS so get that done in her home country inexpensively.	toddandhien	Male	Vietnam	2009-10-15 23:41:00