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K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresG-325A
I'm an American. My fiancee is a German, living in Germany. In order to start the K-1 process, I understand that we both need to submit signed G-325A's. [I've found posts that state otherwise, but it's clearly stated in the helpful K-1 guide on this site, at http://www.visajourn...tent/k1guide/.]

Since my finacee is in Germany, is it okay for her to print, sign, scan and email me her completed G-325A form, since I'll be filing it in California? Meaning, is it okay to submit a non-original version of this doc with my I-129F? Or does she have to mail me the original copy for me to submit?

Thanks for your guidance, veterans! I really appreciate all the helpful information contained in this website (which I just found today).
Shalom OMaleGermany2012-11-28 23:39:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresG-325A Additional Addresses Template
Thanks for this! Super-helpful! You rock!
Shalom OMaleGermany2012-12-03 23:48:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresYes, you can visit!
Thanks for this post. I just joined VJ. I apologize if this is a n00b question, but does anyone know if it's possible to get a tourist visa to visit the US if you've been denied entry to the US because the immigration officer found out that you're in love with an American? I ask on behalf of my German fiancee. Thanks.
Shalom OMaleGermany2012-11-28 22:20:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 Questions and India
You're welcome, feel free to ask any question that I or lot of members out here can help out. I am not Indian, But did some projects in India for awhile, so I've been there many times, all around the country from the northern part, Vashi, Nerul around Navi Mumbai, Madras, and all the way down the pathanamtita, the back waters or Kerala.

You can never have too much documentation, so keep all records of your flights, chat, msn messenger has an option where you can choose to save a transcript of your chat.
Some phone card keeps record of your number and what number you call. but most important keep copies of everything, anytime you send something to uscis always have a copy.
QUOTE (dilbert30 @ Sep 23 2008, 07:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks. I submitted plain photos not the engagement ones. Also, will need to think about the cultural aspects. Thanks for your suggestions. Are you from India or of Indian origin? I have added you as a friend and will ping you if there are additional questions. Thanks.

Edited by Nikita2Charles, 24 September 2008 - 12:10 AM.

Nikita2CharlesNot TellingIndia2008-09-24 00:06:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 Questions and India
Welcome back Dilbert. We went the K1 route a few years ago through chennai.

If you chat under your name you can use the chat transcript(leaving out maybe some of the hot ones whistling.gif )

It's very very important as others have mentioned before to be careful about the engagement ceremony, it might be interpreted as being married. In the past it was not mandatory for people to register their marriage, so even though they might be married, there's no official documentation from the states(indian official) saying so. That's where the consulate get very picky, due to that loophole some people get the Religious wedding, then get married officially in the states. In the eye of the Consulate they consider the couple married even though they have not file with a marriage registrar.

That's where the culture will come into play, and into whether you go K1 or K3. Some parents and due to cultural reason won't feel confortable letting their daughters leaving or moving in with their fiance while other parents If they understand the situation will allow it but with some resentment.

So Getting the K1 is the fastest way around, and once here both of you can fly back to India for big wedding.

Other factor to take into consideration: As K1 when your fiancee gets here, she won't be able to work until she gets the EAD, the only place that used to give the EAD at the POA was New York JFK.

So for a few months your fiancee won't be able to work without and EAD, and Travel without the AOS, other routes are longer but you get your Green card right away, and no travel restriction.

Good luck to all with the process, As long as you follow the instructions, You guys love each other, people will see the glow in your faces. I didn't hire any lawyers, But I had 100's if not thousand of personal experiences of folks who had been through the process, going through it, so don't be afraid to ask any question, one way or the other, most likely someone else had already gone through it.

God bless
Nikita2CharlesNot TellingIndia2008-09-23 17:43:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 process question
pas du tout, seulement in case of a natural disaster. An example the folks from Texas specially in the houston area, will have additional wait time due to the hurricane
Nikita2CharlesNot TellingIndia2008-09-25 12:04:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresWhat age gap
my Godfather's wife, therefore my Godmother was 15 years older than him.

It's all about the attitude, when they are together you would never think that she was older than him, they were married for over 40 years before my Godfather passed away a long time time ago.
Nikita2CharlesNot TellingIndia2008-09-25 11:51:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Proceduresproof of phone calls
Mostly use a phone card that keeps record of your number and your fiance number mostly important it's a philipine country code.
Nikita2CharlesNot TellingIndia2008-09-26 12:16:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresFiling K1 while fiance is in US
You might get conflicting answers

Why filling out K1 when your fiancee is already here?

You don't need to fill out K1, Just get married and fill AOS( adjustment of status).

It's all about the intent, I am not familiar with M visa visa, if it's work related or something else, but as long as she had come for that purpose and not to come and get married, Just go ahead and get married. Read more on this site others have gone that route, you might be asked some more question regarding this issue and show some kind of proof your fiancee had plan to go back after the M visa.
Nikita2CharlesNot TellingIndia2008-09-24 10:23:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresI-134 Affidat of Support and Kids
IF the fiance that's abroad going through I-129 has 2 kids, those the USC has to fill out 3 I-134 forms, 1 for the fiance and ONE FOR EACH Child?

Or is it just ONE and add the kids to the I-134 form?

As K2 does each child needs to get their own set of form like the DS156 and DS 2 something

Edited by Nikita2Charles, 11 December 2008 - 08:57 PM.

Nikita2CharlesNot TellingIndia2008-12-11 20:53:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE (Kang Lang @ Sep 20 2008, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i need a little help, so i have finally compiled the aos papers, gotten through the medical exam hurdle etc. turns out my husband threw out the copies of the birth certificate translation and the copies of the papers from the visa so no copy there. anyone know a reasonable translator for thai docs preferably nor cal? least expensive quote i got was $150+notary and delivery fees (not local). i am trying to track down the lady in thailand who did the original but haven't heard back. *sigh* a bit annoyed w/ hubby right now


Sorry to hear about losing the papers. I have had good experiences with a translation service in Los Angeles (we live in the North Bay Area) ; you can call them for any questions about their service and can even fax them what needs to be translated into English. With a notary and translation we were charged 25 dollars for Birth certificate (this was back in 2004-2005). I would give them a call and ask

Thai Translation Center

5123 W Sunset Blvd # 211
Los Angeles, CA 90027
Phone: (323) 663-5564

Good Luck
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2008-09-20 22:45:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE (ThaiStyleUSA @ Aug 17 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone knows the average waiting period for a case on Administrative Processing from Bangkok Embassy? My case is over 5 months of AP since the interview.



Man that sucks, sorry to hear about the Visa in AP! I would assume each case is different so not sure of an average time of wait for this type of processing.

We had a similar process occur when my Father-in-Law's B2 visitor's visa was also put into Admin Review. What we did was email the US Embassy( Subject line would be something like "2nd or 3rd NIV Inquiry case number and name of applicant ) . Each and everytime they would status us of the case. Eventually it took 6 months before we got the approval for father - in - Law. We emailed them a total of 4 times during the wait.

I would try and email them for status, good luck with it all.
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2008-08-17 14:24:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE
ALL documents in Thai, and their respective english translations, MUST be legalized at the Ministry of Foreign Relations, at 123 Chaeng Wattana Rd in Lak Si.


Is that a new process now, man that's gotta suck! I always thought all translations from Thai to English just needs to be signed by the translator and have a statement from the translator stating to the effect of "I certify this translation to be true and correct to the best of my ability" , legalizing documents is another thing though and I have no experience with getting any Thai documents legalized. When we were going through the K-1 process we didn't need any paperwork to be legalized however we did have some Thai documents translated to English and then have that translation "certified" by the place of business. We used a translation shop near the US Embassy but forgot the name of it though!

Littleasiaman - Great comment good.gif
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2008-07-21 02:34:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE (rin and john @ Jul 11 2008, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (chivasgeo @ Jul 10 2008, 09:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Tom and Wariya @ Jul 10 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I figure our interview will fall end of August, early September. At least that is what I think from what I have seen happening with other people and their interview dates. So I plan on being in BKK in September probably for a month. Thanks for all the good info. I have never been inside the embassy, only past it, so I don't know what goes on inside. I just hope it all goes well when we get there.

My GF has been there before and she said NOT to bring a huge pile of papers as the slot to slide them under at the interview is not that big. I, of course, will come prepared with more than enough to show we have known each other for about 3 years and that I can support her with no problem, although she already has my neighbor and an owner of a Thai restaurant and grocery store wanting her to teach them yoga so that's good for me to keep her busy.

So if anyone has had a very recent trip to the embassy with their fiancee, please let us know if you were talked to, got to go in with the fiancee or what happened.


Tom,

If the process is still the same as when I went. After you enter and get passed the security checkpoint, go up the 2-5 concrete steps/stairway and head straight through the double door and go inside to window #5. I believe the lines outside (after the security checkpoint and before the double doors) are for non K visas .

If it has changed someone please correct me, thanks!

Regards,

George


You are correct. Ignore the outside lines (both the one outside the embassy and the one after security - we got there at 7:30 am and the outside line was 60+ people long; I went to talk with the security sitting at the front of the line and they were moving all K-1 and K-3's to the front of the line). Once past security, go up the concrete steps near the soda machine (to the left of the outside windows). Once inside, go to window 4, 5, or 6 (on left wall once inside) and tell them you are there for a fiancee' or spouse visa. They will take your paperwork, sort through it, and hand back anything they don't need. Then have a seat and wait for your fiancee's name to be called (in our case two hours later).

John


I also forgot to add, my wife's appointment was scheduled for 7am or 8am, but we had waited in line outside starting about 530am....we finished and were out the US Embassy by 9am kicking.gif

If interested here is the link to the Consulate experience I had written way back :

http://www.visajourn...p...and&page=15

Regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2008-07-11 11:33:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE (Tom and Wariya @ Jul 10 2008, 06:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I figure our interview will fall end of August, early September. At least that is what I think from what I have seen happening with other people and their interview dates. So I plan on being in BKK in September probably for a month. Thanks for all the good info. I have never been inside the embassy, only past it, so I don't know what goes on inside. I just hope it all goes well when we get there.

My GF has been there before and she said NOT to bring a huge pile of papers as the slot to slide them under at the interview is not that big. I, of course, will come prepared with more than enough to show we have known each other for about 3 years and that I can support her with no problem, although she already has my neighbor and an owner of a Thai restaurant and grocery store wanting her to teach them yoga so that's good for me to keep her busy.

So if anyone has had a very recent trip to the embassy with their fiancee, please let us know if you were talked to, got to go in with the fiancee or what happened.


Tom,

If the process is still the same as when I went. After you enter and get passed the security checkpoint, go up the 2-5 concrete steps/stairway and head straight through the double door and go inside to window #5. I believe the lines outside (after the security checkpoint and before the double doors) are for non K visas .

If it has changed someone please correct me, thanks!

Regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2008-07-10 21:42:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE (Tom and Wariya @ Jul 10 2008, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks all!!! I am not sure the embassy would tell you in an email. I was just wanting to know what people's past experience was. I am hoping we have our interview date when they post the new ones any day now as I am anxious to get back over there to see her since she wanted me to wait and cancel my June trip to save the money and come for the interview so we can settle things up and she can come back with me if all works out well. I am still interested in other people's comments if they were there for the interview to see what is going on now.


Tom,

I was able to attend the interview with my then Fiancee, the CO asked me more questions than my wife wow.gif When were were in line, they did separate out applicants for K1/K2/K3s from the applicants for work, tourist or student visas, the non K visa applicants who were accompanied by someone, Only the applicants for nonK visas were inside past the security desk, and the ones who accompanied them were not allowed in and had to wait outside, right before the security desk. This was in 2005 so things may have changed. It would be nice to hear from recent applicants about their experience to get us up-to-date. But so for I haven't heard anything new in regards to the US Embassy not allowing the sponsor/spouse to attend with the K-visa applicant/fiance(e).

Good Luck with you all,

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2008-07-10 17:43:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE (shawndoc @ Jun 20 2008, 12:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The talk of the medical reports got me thinking. What can I do for insurance for my fiance when she first comes over? I believe we have to be married before I can add her to my medical plan. What is the best way to get insurance for the time between POE and when we get married?



What I did for my (then) fiancee was purchase traveler's insurance to cover her until we got "officially" married. There are numerous companies. Google "traveler's insurance" and best probably to call and ask for advise from the company you choose. If interested, the one I chose was called Travel Guard International.

Good Luck! smile.gif
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2008-06-20 16:26:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE (afterforever @ Nov 26 2007, 07:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Kang Lang @ Nov 26 2007, 06:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (ThaiStyleUSA @ Nov 23 2007, 10:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You welcome Afterforever...I am sort of in the same situation. Our interview probably some time toward the end of January. It doesn't look like I will be able to have enough days to get away from work to be with her during the interview. But she does understand the situation. I am coaching her right now for interview. I am trying to alleviate the fear from her.



it took about 2 weeks for my husband to get packet 3...a piece of advice if i may. now that you know it's in the post, just go ahead and download everything and and send in notice that you are prepared for your interview it will save a few weeks time. by the time they recieve everything you can have your medical, certificate of being single etc all ready.

GOOD LUCK!


Thanks for the info Kang Lang.

If we send in the notice that we are prepared for the interview, will my fiance still have enough time to apply for and receive the police certificate? I know the medical can be done quickly but I am worried my fiancee will not receive the police certificate in time. Also, do you know if she would be able to have her sister pick up the certificate? The sister lives in BKK, my fiance lives in Udon Thani, so it would obviously be a time saver.


Man, it's seems like it was just yesterday my now wife and I went though this process...This website has help us A LOT from time to time.... smile.gif

Afterforever,
Clarification about picking up Police Certificate wink.gif Based on my wife's experience, the same day after her medical at Bumrungrad Hospital, she went to and applied for the Police certificate in person at the BKK police station listed in the Packet 3 docs, however she was able to have her brother (who lives in BKK) to pick it up for her. Her brother had copies of 1) My wife's Thai ID and 2) a copy of the ENTIRE House Registration Book (Tabien Baan)

Also my wife said she written (by hand) a statement in BOTH copies that they are true and correct and signed it. Wife is also telling me it took about 2 weeks to process.

When her brother went to the Police station to pick-up the Police Certificate, they asked if he was related to my wife, then had to show his Thai ID and they of course looked at the copy if the Registration Book (Tabien Baan) to confirm he was her brother.

Now I am not saying this is a standard way or was OK to do (since it was never mentioned a relative can pick up the certificate) , I am just posting based on our experience....I don't have the current number for the BKK police station one would pick up the certificate at, but perhaps it will be worth it if your fiance give them a call and ask! wink.gif

Good Luck with yours and everyone's processes..... take care

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-11-27 11:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
QUOTE (K.Robert @ Sep 30 2007, 10:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question about the $100.00 for the Post Office.

In Bangkok for our interview on Wednesday and just returned from the Post Office.
The Post Office asked for 3600BHT.

Our paperwork seems to indicate that we should pay $100.00USD.

We paid the 3600BHT.

What gives?

If we are supposed to pay in Baht like we did for the medical than it should be spelled out in Packet 3.

If the local Post Office is supposed to accept my new crisp 100.00 dollar bill than shame on them.......


Consider yourself lucky! Last September my mother in law in Thailand paid for her Application fee for a B2 visitor's visa and also it stated to pay the $100.00 at any post office listed. So in the Sakhon Nakhon post office, they charged 4000 Baht! yes.gif I don't think the Thai Post Office would accept USD currency!

Good Luck with the interview!
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-10-01 00:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2
All,

This might be of interest to some of you, especially the people who has used the services of Immigration Lawyer Bill White.......a very knowledgable poster at Thai Falang Board posted this info ;)

http://s10.mymsc.com/~admin4/index.htm

regards,

George

Edited by chivasgeo, 11 August 2007 - 02:23 AM.

chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-08-11 02:22:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2

We will be arriving in SFO on July 31 on K-1 visa. Is there any way to get her a temporary 90-day work authorization at the POE?

TIA



TIA,

Not sure about getting a stamp via SFO, but you can probably ask the Immigration officer processing you on your arrival. When we arrived in SFO via K-1 back in Jan 2005, I went with my wife through the "visitor's" line and we were processed by a young lady officer ; after taking my wife's photo and obtaining her fingerprint, there was some small talk and I think the lady stamped something (guessing the expiration date of K-1?) on the I-94 card.... then off to customs we went.... I would ask them about it though!

OK, Congrats and welcome to the USA! :)

Regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-07-17 18:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2

George

Thank for the info. I passed it on to MIL to ease her fears of failure. We will start the process of getting her passport. I don't know how long that will take, it depends on who you bribe.
She has never traveled out of Cambodia or been on a plane, so we have to convince her that "yes" even people who do not speak english can fly.

Will let you know how it turns out.

Sam


Sam,

Good idea to get Passport first! Good luck with it all.....oh and my MIL with be flying solo when she goes back to Thailand in a couple of months...she is flying EVA....she is also scared since it will be her first time to fly ALONE! (she flew here with my mom) We called EVA and asked for assistance when she transfers in Taipei - they gaurantee she will get to the transfer gate for the trip from Taipei to Bangkok!

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-06-01 11:29:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2

I know I asked this before, but I need to be refreshed on the subject.
My wife wants to bring her mother over for a visit from Phnom Penh. At the interview what will they ask for as proof she is returning. She is 66 so I don't think she will be looking for a boyfriend. she has birth cert and deed to her property but that is about all. She has no money so we will be paying her way. Is she doomed for failure?



Sam,

My Mother in Law just arrived here for a 4 months stay. During her "interview" they did not ask for any documents from her regarding proof of land, house ownership, etc. What I did (that I think helped out) was write a formal letter to the Embassy explaining the reason of her trip (to visit her daughter and grandson and to tour sites around CA) . I explained that I will be paying for her trip to and from Thailand and during her stay here (all expenses paid). Also what I think helped out (and this was an option I did not have to do - but what the heck , did it anyways!) was turn in an I-134 affidavit of support with last 3 paystubs. She was granted a 10 year multiple entry B2 Visitors Visa. Upon entry at SFO Intl, the US Immigration gave her 6 months to stay.

Mother in law is 61 and never worked her entire life (was a homemaker, housewife). As always your situation may be different. If interested, Send me PM and I can foward you the letter I wrote to Embassy

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-05-24 01:48:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2

Lin,

You can try e-mailing the visa section - find and follow the present protocol for e-mail inquiries. In my wife's case it was about 4 weeks between the date that my approved I-129f petition left the NVC and the date that the IVU recognized that they'd received it.

In those days one could go to the consulate and pick up a K-visa application package, but not now as I understand it. However, most of what's in it is now posted on the embassy's web site.

Yodrak

wonder if anyone who is ahead of me in the process can offer some guidance, our petition left nvc on 20 april, my question is does anyone have any idea about the following...A) are you able to contact anyone at the embassy regarding packet 3, when it will be sent out etc.? also is it possible to go to the embassy and pick up packet 3 if you have your BNK number? it is very frustrating that it's just a black hole. any tips or help would be appreciated.

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!!

Lin




Thanks Yodrak, unfortunately when you email now you only get an automated response indicating that they do not answer queries about k-1's at all and when i called i could only get a recording no way to get an actual person on the line. *ugh* just thought i would take a stab at it and see if anyone had any current info but my guess we'll be in the 4-6 week range for our packet 3 to arrive. Has anyone else had a long wait for packet 3? I know that most of the timelines i have read are some where in the 7-14 day range. (BTW Yodrak, hats off to you for surviving the agony that is the wait for a visa through Thailand.

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE!

Lin


Lin,

I have emailed the US Emassy in Thailand numerous times in the past and YES, there is an automated response their email servers send out to us. The last time this reply was sent to me was in Oct 2006.

In reviewing the automated email US Embassy sends out I saved, you might want try this in your next email. In the subject line make sure you have 2nd IV Inquiry BNK (your fiancees case number) and applicants surname

Thats unless the US Embassy has updated their automated replies?

For anyones interest here is the automated reply I received below:

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The Visa Unit of the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok has received your e-mail inquiry. We regret that we are unable to send a personal reply to each inquiry due to the large volume we receive daily. We have found that many of the inquiries we receive are readily answered by information available on various U.S. Government websites and this response is designed to help you access that information quickly.



If, following a review of all information provided, you still have an inquiry regarding a specific issue with a visa case pending at the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok , please send an additional email to visasbkk@state.gov with the following information:



For Immigrant Visa (including Fiancée) Cases: The subject line must contain "2nd IV Inquiry", and the case number (with prefix of BNK or PHP), and the applicant's surname. The first paragraph must include the full names of the petitioner and the applicant, the type of visa, whether the visa is for a Thai or Cambodian national, and your contact information. Please note that we are not able to provide routine status updates on the more than 7,000 cases that we handle annually, nor are we able to respond to routine questions regarding whether or not we have received your case from the NVC.


For Non-Immigrant Visa Cases: The subject line must contain "2nd NIV Inquiry." If you are writing about a visa refusal, please note that applicants who have been refused visas may reapply at any time.


· BUSINESS TRAVEL: if you have a business-related visa question, please send an email to the Business Visa Officer at Bangkokbusinesstravel@state.gov.



Effective January 19, 2006, all non immigrant visa applicants must complete the DS-156 electronic visa application form (EVAF), which can be filled out online and printed by visiting the website http://evisaforms.state.gov. Please remember to print all three pages of the form, including the third page with bar code.





IMMIGRANT VISA INFORMATION (visas for permanent immigration to the USA )


There is no walk-up information window for immigrant visa-related matters at the Embassy. Please refer to the websites below.



· U.S. Department of State: http://travel.state....rants_1340.html

o Information to help foreign citizens desiring to permanently immigrate to determine the visas, requirements, and related materials they will need to apply to immigrate to the United States. Includes information on marriage and fiancée visas.



· U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS): ;http://uscis.gov/gra...vices/index.htm

o The USCIS is responsible for the filing and approval of all immigrant visa petitions, and this website contains comprehensive information on all immigration issues.



USCIS Bangkok Office information: http://uscis.gov/gra...fices/index.htm


You can call U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) toll-free for automated information and live assistance concerning immigration services and benefits. The number is: 1 (800) 375-5283. In Bangkok , the USCIS office is open to the public 8:30am to 11:30am and 12:00pm to 3:30pm. They are available for telephone inquiries until 3:30pm at [66] (2) 205-5352.


· U.S. Embassy Bangkok: http://bangkok.usembassy.gov.

o Immigrant visa interview appointment information

o Immigrant Visa Application Forms (Packet 3 documents)

o Cambodian immigrant visa processing information





Additional Telephone and Office Contact Information


· U.S. State Department Visa Office: Information is available to the public by telephone at the Visa Services, Public Inquiries Division at telephone (202) 663-1225 or by FAX at 202 663-3899. The telephone number provides the caller with a selection of pre-recorded information and the ability to talk to a visa specialist during business hours.



· To reach the State Department's National Visa Center (immigrant visa inquiries for cases pending with the NVC) call: 603-334-0700 (in USA ) or send an Email to NVCInquiry@state.gov



· To reach the Kentucky Consular Center (Diversity Visa inquiries only) call: 606-526-7500 (in USA )





NON IMMIGRANT VISA INFORMATION (Tourist, Business, Academic Travel)

· U.S. Department of State: http://travel.state..../temp_1305.html

o Information regarding non immigrant visa types, the Visa Waiver Program, and U.S. visa law (including information about visa denials and INA Section 214( B )



· U.S. Embassy Bangkok: http://bangkok.usembassy.gov.

o Information to apply for a non immigrant visa in Bangkok

o Frequently Asked Non Immigrant Visa Questions in Bangkok
o Electronic Visa Application Form (EVAF)




All applicants for tourist and business visas must book an appointment online at http://thailand.us-visaservices.com or over the phone by calling 001-800-13-202-2457. Fees are charged for these services. Please note that there is no walk-in visa information service available at the embassy.

EXPEDITE POLICY:

The Embassy expedites legitimate business and educational/exchange travel (F, J, M visas), as well as travel for medical emergencies, on a case-by-case basis. F, J, and M visa applicants requesting expedited appointments must show that they would otherwise miss the beginning of their courses/programs if not allowed to expedite the visa process. Such applicants must have a valid I-20 or DS-2019 form.



If you have already scheduled an appointment for a visa interview but need to have an earlier appointment, you may send an email to visasbkk@state.gov. The email subject line must read: Request to Expedite a Non-Immigrant Visa Appointment. Please include appointment confirmation number, full name, contact telephone number, and the reason an earlier appointment is required.



PLEASE NOTE: If you do not receive an email response from the visa section within 5 working days, you should assume your request for an expedited appointment has been denied. Do not send other emails to follow up on your original request.



For medical emergencies involving a sick parent, spouse, sibling, or child, please obtain a letter from the patient's physician describing the patient's medical condition. The visa unit will contact you if an early appointment can be given.

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Good Luck Lin!

Regards,

George

Edited by chivasgeo, 03 May 2007 - 03:27 PM.

chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-05-03 15:23:00
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goontar,

It isn't going to be a certificate and it isn't required of everyone.

A divorced person proves that they're single by presenting a divorce certificate. If a never-married person is asked to prove that they're single - it's rare, but it sometimes happens - they take several close acquaintances, and perhaps a village VIP, to the amphur and they all submit written statements on a sheet of paper having the Garuda at the top attesting to the their knowledge that the person has never been married. Then the amphur official stamps the statements two or three times with 'the big red seal' to certify them.

Or, get the amphur official to prepare a statement to the effect that the person has never registered a marriage in the amphur.

Yodrak

Does anyone know anything about the "Certificate of Being Single"? Is this necessary for everyone? Thanks.


Goontar,

To add to Yodraks reply....my wife got one from her local amphur (shes never been married). She was accompanied by her father. Her local amphur produced an official document that states my wife has never registered a marriage in that local amphur. I dont think its necessary to get BUT if it will make you and your fiance worry less, then why not get one. By the way, the US consulate never asked for the document from my wife during her K-1 interview.

Regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-04-27 22:29:00
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George,

Point of clarification: the NVC does not approve anything. For the K visas it is a simple distribution center, for the immigrant visas it collects some of the visa application materials and for some consulates schedules the interviews.

In all cases the consulates do the approving.

Yodrak

..... I am sure you'll receive the NVC approval soon, .....

regards,

George


Thank you for the clarification.....I better be careful next time I post a reply. Glad you caught that Yodrak! :thumbs:

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-04-15 23:42:00
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hi there,

was wondering if i could ask some advice...have already received our approval from the dept. of homeland security on the 27th of march and been advised that our petition was sent off to the nvc but they haven't received it yet, most of the timelines i read here were fairly short anyone have any ideas as to what makes some faster than others? is it just random? does one truly need an i-864? i filed the i-134 when i filed my original petition.

sorry to ramble, it's been over a year since i have seen my boyfriend and i just want to get on with our lives.

thanks!


Kang Lang,

Although its been almost a few years, I still remember how I felt about the whole process and I know what you are going through...all I can say is not to worry so much, I am sure you'll receive the NVC approval soon, I'd try to keep calling the NVC (which I am sure you are doing)...hang in there...and yes, for the K-1 it is the I-134 you should send your fiancee to hand in during his K-1 interview.

After my wife and I got married and she applied for her AOS, then I submitted the I-864 with that application...

well, best wishes for you all!

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-04-14 02:15:00
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George,

http://www.usvisalaw.info/thai/

Yodrak

n2ojones,

I usually get a response from him each time I have emailed him for advice, referrals or suggestions. I know he also has a website but I cant find that URL....hopefully someone here will have that info to post

regards,

George



Cool, thanks Yodrak, I knew someone had it :thumbs:

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-04-14 02:07:00
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Still have not heard back from Bill White (!?!).


n2ojones,

I usually get a response from him each time I have emailed him for advice, referrals or suggestions. I know he also has a website but I cant find that URL....hopefully someone here will have that info to post

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-04-13 23:30:00
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Man, what a mess. Soooo close, too.

Can someone tell me if I-134 is supposed to be notarized and does it get turned in along with the police report and medical at the day of interview....or does it have to be sent in with packet 3?

I know I should be reading the instructions...and i will, but this flare-up with the (already paid in full) visa agent, has caused some static between my wife and I now as well...I need this info fast to calm her and prove my point...this guy does not know what he's doing and we are sure to be refused if we continue with this bonehead.

More than likely he is reading this...which is good,...maybe he'll accidently learn how to process a visa.

Please help


n2ojones,

If I’ve read correctly your wife will be applying for an CR1 visa based on the approval of the I130. If this is the case you would have had to send an I864 (Affidavit of Support) to the NVC prior to them forwarding the case to the embassy.

The Embassy’s web page has changed but it used to specifically state that I134’s were to be used for K1 & K3, and I864 for CR/IR1.

If however it’s causing big static between you and the wife, I suggest you say “ok yes dear” and send her a notarized I134.

best of luck
Chant & Noy



n2ojones,

I have to apologize in that I automatically assumed you were applying for the K-1 Fiance Visa, DOH!!...my bad! Chant is correct, if applying for CR1 then use form I-864 and if going through process for K-3 then use I-134. Again, apologies :unsure:

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-03-31 21:32:00
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Man, what a mess. Soooo close, too.

Can someone tell me if I-134 is supposed to be notarized and does it get turned in along with the police report and medical at the day of interview....or does it have to be sent in with packet 3?

I know I should be reading the instructions...and i will, but this flare-up with the (already paid in full) visa agent, has caused some static between my wife and I now as well...I need this info fast to calm her and prove my point...this guy does not know what he's doing and we are sure to be refused if we continue with this bonehead.

More than likely he is reading this...which is good,...maybe he'll accidently learn how to process a visa.

Please help


n2ojones,

Yes, the I-134 needs to be notarized and brought along during the interview date. The name of the attorney (referring to your previous post) most likely is Bill White...

Bangkok, Thailand
140/36 Silom Road
Bangrak, Bangkok 10500

BKK Office (66) 0-2231-6466
Mobile (66) 0-1909-8202
wfwlaw@aol.com
url: www.usvisalaw.info

Good Luck!

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-03-31 01:31:00
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Rich,

Take a walk along Wireless Road - translation shops are all over the place.

Make sure they transliterate your fiancee's name the same way it is on her passport.

Yodrak

Hi folks - I'll be visiting my fiancee in Thailand in about a week and we'll be finalizing all of our paperwork to start the K1 process. I'd like to get certified Thai to English translations of documents like birth certificates, child custody documents, etc. I've done a search through online and found the following two outfits - i think they would certainly work, but they may be overkill.

http://www.thai-engl...ranslation.com/
http://www.thaitrans...info/index.html

Is there an easier, more convenient way to get this done in Bangkok? Like going to something like the local version of the UPS Store for translations/certification? Or a "Translate While-U-Wait" franchise?

Thanks,
- Rich


Hey Rich!

As Yodrak has suggested , there are many on Wireless Road...one of them my wife had used is called Interlanguage Translate Center. They have multiple locations, the closest to the US Embassy is at this Address: 89/12-13 Wireless Road 2nd Floor Tel 650-7981-2

Good luck with all the processes, It's been a few years since I was going thru what you all are going through now...man how time just flies B) !!

Regards,

George

Edited by chivasgeo, 29 March 2007 - 10:24 PM.

chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2007-03-29 22:21:00
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Anybody know what this form is for? I found it in the NIV checklist from the embassy website.

Posted Image


EVOLUTION,

I just helped my MIL and FIL fill out this form a couple of months back for their B2 visitor's visa. That form is for non-immigrant visa applicants. Its a requirement that they fill out that form along with the envelope purchased inside the US Consulate compound, so that the US Embassy can mail the applicant's Passport back to either the applicant's home address or the designated Post Office for pick up. I don't think K-1 applicants need to fill out the form.

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2006-12-12 04:04:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresSAWASDEE 2

This is what I got from the email by the embassy,

Dear Sir,



This is to notify you that the IV Unit in Bangkok has scheduled the interview appointment for the above captioned case on 28-DEC-2006 at 07:00 am. The interview appointment letter and some additional forms have been mailed to this address on November 22, 2006

What do they mean by additional forms. I thought that's it, and all there would be left in packet 4 would be the interview letter. Am I missing something? what could the forms be?


EVOLUTION,

In packet 4, besides the appointment letter , there are other documents in there that has information about how to present the applicants paperwork in a specific order. Also there are information and documents in there that will inform the applicant that the visa is not gauranteed and that plans should not be made to quit a job, sell a house, etc.

I believe the email you have received can apply for more than just the K-1 type visa, so perhaps other types of visas do have additional forms needed to be filled by the applicant but the K-1 visa (based on my wife's experience) there was no need to fill up additional forms in packet 4. Basically there was just more information besides the appt letter and instructions for the applicant.

Good luck to both of you. As far as getting a 1-way ticket for her, I'd suggest calling the airlines directly to see if they can get you and your fiance on the same flight. Good Luck again.

regards,

George

Edited by chivasgeo, 27 November 2006 - 02:12 PM.

chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2006-11-27 14:10:00
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im going to Thailand in 2 weeks to be with my fiancee, and we are flying back on the same flight. We are going up north to Udonthani to meet the parents..... gulp..... We are gonna have an engagement ceremony. Have any of you experienced one of these? All i know is that the parents agreed that we just have to do an engagement ceremony in Thailand and then we can have a wedding in America and not in thailand. And the parents are cool with that. So yeah i dont know what the engagement ceremony is like. I do know that i need to wear some type of official thai dress.. lovely.


Matt,

Congratulations on the upcoming ceremony....my wife and I went thru what you and future wife will be going thru...we had a Thai ceremony at my wife's mom's house.......from my experience (and what I posted to others in this thread), just be prepared to sit "Thai style" for (what seemed like) a long, long time :P

All kidding aside, this event will be an experience you will never forget :thumbs:

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2006-11-19 00:37:00
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email address: visasbkk@state.gov
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Subject : 2nd IV Inquiry PHPXXXXXXXXXX(..........???.............(Last name of your fiance'))

To IV unit,

My Application data as below;
Name: <PETITIONER NAME OR BENIFICIARY???>

Petitioner name: BRIAN
Case No: PHPXXXXXXXXXX(K1 for CAMBODIAN National )


Still have a question,
on my application data as below;
name: who's name do I use? my name as the petitioner or my fiance the benificiary???


Evolution:

Here is a reply email sent to me from US Consulate in Bangkok when I inquired about a Visitor's Visa to USA. It's probably one of those generic auto-reply for ALL Visa types to USA. It has some info that I think will help you regarding email inquiries for K-1 fiance visas (highlighted in RED). Apologize it's rather a long email reply, but I thought better to post all than partial.
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Reply email:

The Visa Unit of the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok has received your e-mail inquiry. We regret that we are unable to send a personal reply to each inquiry due to the large volume we receive daily. We have found that many of the inquiries we receive are readily answered by information available on various U.S. Government websites and this response is designed to help you access that information quickly.

If, following a review of all information provided, you still have an inquiry regarding a specific issue with a visa case pending at the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok , please send an additional email to visasbkk@state.gov with the following information:

For Immigrant Visa (including Fiancée) Cases: The subject line must contain "2nd IV Inquiry", and the case number (with prefix of BNK or PHP), and the applicant's surname. The first paragraph must include the full names of the petitioner and the applicant, the type of visa, whether the visa is for a Thai or Cambodian national, and your contact information. Please note that we are not able to provide routine status updates on the more than 7,000 cases that we handle annually, nor are we able to respond to routine questions regarding whether or not we have received your case from the NVC.
For Non-Immigrant Visa Cases: The subject line must contain "2nd NIV Inquiry." If you are writing about a visa refusal, please note that applicants who have been refused visas may reapply at any time.

· BUSINESS TRAVEL: if you have a business-related visa question, please send an email to the Business Visa Officer at Bangkokbusinesstravel@state.gov.

Effective January 19, 2006, all non immigrant visa applicants must complete the DS-156 electronic visa application form (EVAF), which can be filled out online and printed by visiting the website http://evisaforms.state.gov. Please remember to print all three pages of the form, including the third page with bar code.

IMMIGRANT VISA INFORMATION (visas for permanent immigration to the USA )

There is no walk-up information window for immigrant visa-related matters at the Embassy. Please refer to the websites below.

· U.S. Department of State: http://travel.state....rants_1340.html

o Information to help foreign citizens desiring to permanently immigrate to determine the visas, requirements, and related materials they will need to apply to immigrate to the United States. Includes information on marriage and fiancée visas.

· U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service (USCIS): http://uscis.gov/gra...vices/index.htm

o The USCIS is responsible for the filing and approval of all immigrant visa petitions, and this website contains comprehensive information on all immigration issues.

USCIS Bangkok Office information: http://uscis.gov/gra...fices/index.htm

You can call U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) toll-free for automated information and live assistance concerning immigration services and benefits. The number is: 1 (800) 375-5283. In Bangkok , the USCIS office is open to the public 8:30am to 11:30am and 12:00pm to 3:30pm. They are available for telephone inquiries until 3:30pm at [66] (2) 205-5352.

· U.S. Embassy Bangkok: http://bangkok.usembassy.gov.

o Immigrant visa interview appointment information

o Immigrant Visa Application Forms (Packet 3 documents)

o Cambodian immigrant visa processing information


Additional Telephone and Office Contact Information

· U.S. State Department Visa Office: Information is available to the public by telephone at the Visa Services, Public Inquiries Division at telephone (202) 663-1225 or by FAX at 202 663-3899. The telephone number provides the caller with a selection of pre-recorded information and the ability to talk to a visa specialist during business hours.

· To reach the State Department's National Visa Center (immigrant visa inquiries for cases pending with the NVC) call: 603-334-0700 (in USA ) or send an Email to NVCInquiry@state.gov

· To reach the Kentucky Consular Center (Diversity Visa inquiries only) call: 606-526-7500 (in USA )


NON IMMIGRANT VISA INFORMATION (Tourist, Business, Academic Travel)

· U.S. Department of State: http://travel.state..../temp_1305.html

o Information regarding non immigrant visa types, the Visa Waiver Program, and U.S. visa law (including information about visa denials and INA Section 214 ( b )

· U.S. Embassy Bangkok: http://bangkok.usembassy.gov.

o Information to apply for a non immigrant visa in Bangkok

o Frequently Asked Non Immigrant Visa Questions in Bangkok

o Electronic Visa Application Form (EVAF)

All applicants for tourist and business visas must book an appointment online at http://thailand.us-visaservices.com or over the phone by calling 001-800-13-202-2457. Fees are charged for these services. Please note that there is no walk-in visa information service available at the embassy.
EXPEDITE POLICY:
The Embassy expedites legitimate business and educational/exchange travel (F, J, M visas), as well as travel for medical emergencies, on a case-by-case basis. F, J, and M visa applicants requesting expedited appointments must show that they would otherwise miss the beginning of their courses/programs if not allowed to expedite the visa process. Such applicants must have a valid I-20 or DS-2019 form.

If you have already scheduled an appointment for a visa interview but need to have an earlier appointment, you may send an email to visasbkk@state.gov. The email subject line must read: Request to Expedite a Non-Immigrant Visa Appointment. Please include appointment confirmation number, full name, contact telephone number, and the reason an earlier appointment is required.

PLEASE NOTE: If you do not receive an email response from the visa section within 5 working days, you should assume your request for an expedited appointment has been denied. Do not send other emails to follow up on your original request.

For medical emergencies involving a sick parent, spouse, sibling, or child, please obtain a letter from the patient's physician describing the patient's medical condition. The visa unit will contact you if an early appointment can be given.


chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2006-11-01 13:37:00
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George,

You mean there's still a chance that the USCIS might update the Online Status for my petition for my LPR wife to show that it's been approved, and send me the Approval Notice?

Yodrak


Yodrak,

Better check your email soon :dance:

My wife is still waiting for her "Welcome to America" letter :whistle:

WOW! HAHA! You should make a topic for this forum and say FINALLY, NOA2 AFTER 2 YEARS!!! or something lol.

Bill


Bill,

:lol: I wonder if there was such a case? :unsure:
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2006-10-31 00:34:00
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Hi all,

Just wondering for those that gotten their NOA2 way way back in the past, say a year or 2 ago.....has anyone gotten emailsTODAY from USCIS saying the I-129F was approved?

Weird thing happended today, I received multiple emails from "USCIS-CSSO" and the subject of email was Case Status Information for Receipt Number: WAC0123456789 (not the actual WAC #) and the content of the email was the approval of my I-129F back in Aug 2004!!! :lol:

Must a some sort of server glitch occuring at USCIS?? :hehe:
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2006-10-30 17:30:00
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One more thing will we need the original of our marriage certificate or will a copy be okay when we go through the airport. I do not want to take the original with us.


I brought the original marriage certifiacte when we travelled to Thailand this past Sept...but never needed it to show any government official at airport...the airport offficials here in USA and over in Bangkok did want to see my wife's Green Card, also the airline company employee also wanted to see the green card before we checked in to fly to USA.

You've only got one copy of the original Marriage certificate? If so I can understand why you dont want to bring it along....chances are the green card will be sufficient but you never know...I would recommend you do bring the original just in case.

Hey have fun while you're back in Cambodia, travel safe and good luck to Mariya's aunt if she decides to apply for B2 visa

regards,

George

Anya

I have researched fares to both Bangkok and Phnom Penh and the cheapest flight I could find was with eva. http://www.evaair.com Go directly to their website and just keep watching because the rates change from day to day. You are on the right coast and we are on the left coast so the price wiil probably be more. Our flight is out of Seattle. We got tickets for $983 RT and it wend down $30 since. Flying to Cambodia is always more the Thailand.


Hi Anya,

I believe around the time you plan to travel, it will be a lot higher than 700-800 USD, I think because a lot of westerners want to leave cold winter for warm weather...

As Sam has suggested, EVA Air and also try China Air..they are the 2 airline company I always see having one of the lowest fares around.

Good Luck...

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2006-10-28 15:17:00
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I know that this is probably not the forum to ask this question, but I will do it anyway.
My wifes aunt who raised her wants to come and visit, but says they will not grant her a visa because she does not have $20,000 in the bank to assure them she will return.
She is married with two children, owns a travel agency and a home. She will be coming alone. What are her chances of getting the visa? Should we even try.




My MIL applied for and received a visa about 5 months ago. She is a business owner, owns a home in BKK and had previously held a US tourist visa (which had expired quite a while ago). I can't tell you what she has for funds in the bank. About all the information I could get from my wife is that the interview was very fast, she was in and out in abot an hour.

I have previously heard rumors that a "sum of money" in the bank was something that is unofficially required. Perhaps an affidavid of support (I-134) would be helpfull??


Sam and ALL:

I don't think there is such a min amount of cash in the bank that is needed to show US Embassy. Showing consistent bank activity would be good, but a sudden deposit of a large amount of cash into a bank account before the intervew date would not be so good. My MIL know about 10 neighbors and friends that applied for B2 visas (not at the same time), 8 of them got it, but the other 2 deposited large amounts into the bank acct before the interview date and were denied the B2.

I'd like to add our experience for B2 Visa Application for any VJ posters that are interested:

My wife & I helped my MIL apply for the B2 Visa about a month ago. We had set up an appointment on-line (via the Bangkok US Embassy Website) for 400 baht ($10 plus). MIL only has a High School Education and has never worked, was always a homemaker/housewife (4 kids). She owns land and a house in her name and also has an active bank account or 2 (all of these I was her only ties to Thailand). I would consider her middle class citizen.

Anyways, in addition to the basic requirements for the B2 visa, my wife & I also opted to include a formal letter stating a brief history of how I applied for a I-129F petition for MIL's daughter, that the K-1 was approved and we are now married with a son and that my wife is a LPR of USA. We had written the purpose of MIL's visit (which was to visit her grandson and daughter). I emphasized I would be the one financially responsible for the expense for MIL's trip to & from the USA, of which I supported that statement with an I-134 affidavit of support. I included supporting documents such as Letter from my work,2005 W-2, my past 3 pay stubs, the recent property tax papers(almost the same papers/documents I sent in with the K-1 application for my then fiance). Also included copies of our marriage Certificate, my son's birth certificate, copy of wife'sGreen card and all of our passort data page.

Well, eventually MIL was granted a 10 year B2 Visa. (YAY!!) MIL mentioned the interviewing officer (falang female who spoke Thai) did not even ask her to show the "evidence of ties to Thailand", I am assuming that the formal letter and I-134 my wife & I submitted helped in that matter...

Well hope this info will help....good luck

regards,

George
chivasgeoNot TellingThailand2006-10-27 11:48:00