ForumTitleContentMemberSexCountryDate/Time
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusWhat Are Your Experiences With Language Issues
Being with someone who speaks a language you can't understand is frustrating and boring. It applies to all relationships - not just romantic. And it's also my personal opinion - I can understand there may be people who feel differently about it, and I don't expect these people to agree with me.

I can't imagine myself falling in love with a Spanish-speaking person, no matter how "hot" he is. I don't speak a word of Spanish, how will I ever figure out what this guy's ideas, beliefs and goals are? And to me, ideas, beliefs and goals constitute a personality, and it's the personality I care about, not the looks. I don't think you can learn these things about the other person without sharing a common language.

I don't think I can even like somebody who speaks a language I don't know. If someone's speech sounds like meaningless noise to me, I may feel intimidation, isolation, frustarion and even fear. Certainly not affection.

Edited by Sid and Nancy, 05 September 2007 - 05:06 PM.

Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-09-05 17:02:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusTourist Visa from Russia to US
QUOTE (russ @ Nov 9 2007, 07:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have used travel agencies in Russia (reputable ones). They are expensive for what they do, which is primarily created false documents with their own stamps on them.

yes.gif Like employment letters. I worked for one of these agencies for a couple of months.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-14 20:48:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusHi
QUOTE (slim @ Nov 17 2007, 10:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, I don't know if you've thought of it yet, but paying single rate taxes all year, then claiming the wife when filing is awesome for the ol' tax return! I got married in mid-December and when I filed, I claimed the wife (who was not working) and got a $#!tload of money back on the tax return.

Good for you smile.gif My husband owes a $@*tload of child support, so all these refunds are intercepted and used to pay it off. Last year I was being generous, cause it's for the child after all, but this time I will file an "injured spouse" claim so I'll get at least something back. But that's just for the federal, cause the state refund goes bye bye anyways - community property state.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-17 14:54:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusEasy Border Crossing, Eh?
Well, we were thinking of going to Vancouver by car, but it may not be happening this year sad.gif I guess we'll have to wait till hubby gets a passport.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-09-25 21:01:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusEasy Border Crossing, Eh?
I'm happy for you smile.gif I'm also sorry for the speeding ticket. And I am also jealous, cause we can't go to Canada - hubster doesn't have a passport, and he won't be able to get one for another year if not longer. Or can USC's still travel to Canada without a passport?
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-09-24 20:18:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusExperience in Russian Consulate, Houston, TX
QUOTE (slim @ Nov 25 2007, 04:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She doesn't have a green card yet.... and that's the whole problem!

I know that. That's too bad. The whole name thing can get very complicated at times, I even wish I had kept my maiden name to avoid all this bureaucracy.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-26 00:38:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusExperience in Russian Consulate, Houston, TX
The Consulate in San Francisco didn't even want to see my marriage certificate - just the green card. They were super nice there.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-25 01:17:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusFilling out DS-230 part II
QUOTE (rika60607 @ Nov 18 2007, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Am I at least correct in that patronym is NOT a middle name?

Correct smile.gif

But just like Slim said - no one will care as long as you keep it consistent.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-25 01:18:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusFilling out DS-230 part II
Well, since you have your patronym on the SS card, I'd go with the 1st version if I were you.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-18 12:52:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusRussia to Vote on Sunday
QUOTE (Satellite @ Nov 28 2007, 12:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Blues Fairy @ Nov 28 2007, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What are you people talking about, nobody is forced to vote. Except, perhaps, the military who are led to vote for Putin in files, at the command of their officers. For all the rest of the citizens, voting is voluntary.
Read the article below:
http://news.yahoo.co...ssia_election_1
If you disagree with the article (it was biased, etc.) I can understand your point of view.

They like to demonize our country, that's for sure. Not that it's entirely a lie and nothing in the article is true, but the extent of what's happening is exaggerated, and usually, the tendency in the Western media is to only write about the bad stuff that's going on in Russia.

But there is a bunch of stupid ####### happening there in regards to the upcoming election - no doubt about it.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-28 15:14:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusRussia to Vote on Sunday
QUOTE (kud @ Nov 28 2007, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Sid and Nancy @ Nov 28 2007, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (kud @ Nov 28 2007, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Blues Fairy @ Nov 28 2007, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What are you people talking about, nobody is forced to vote. Except, perhaps, the military who are led to vote for Putin in files, at the command of their officers. For all the rest of the citizens, voting is voluntary.

The removal of "against all" option is just that. Those who came to vote have to vote for somebody. If they chose not to vote, they stay at home.


yes, you are right, nobody is forced to vote in Russia -- unless of course you hate being unemployed.

Yes, it happens at some work places (schools are a good example) - they expect you to show up and even to vote a certain way, but I wouldn't generalize like you do.


Did you read the article? Even BBC reported on it. Friends told us about it. I would say it is pretty wide spread.

My friends tell me differently. I mean, only two of them are voting, the rest aren't.

Here in the U.S. there's no need to force people to vote - they can just count the votes the way they please, and there you go.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-28 15:02:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusRussia to Vote on Sunday
QUOTE (kud @ Nov 28 2007, 08:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Blues Fairy @ Nov 28 2007, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What are you people talking about, nobody is forced to vote. Except, perhaps, the military who are led to vote for Putin in files, at the command of their officers. For all the rest of the citizens, voting is voluntary.

The removal of "against all" option is just that. Those who came to vote have to vote for somebody. If they chose not to vote, they stay at home.


yes, you are right, nobody is forced to vote in Russia -- unless of course you hate being unemployed.

Yes, it happens at some work places (schools are a good example) - they expect you to show up and even to vote a certain way, but I wouldn't generalize like you do.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-28 14:47:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusRussia to Vote on Sunday
QUOTE (Satellite @ Nov 27 2007, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Sid and Nancy @ Nov 27 2007, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I won't be voting for United Russia, I will vote for another party that never wins smile.gif I also don't think voting is useless and shameful.
At least your job isn't dependent on your vote as is the case in the news article I posted. Although I am not a Russian citizen, my favorite selection on the Russian ballot is the "against all" box tongue.gif
But it has been removed and you can see why:
http://english.pravd.../81796-voting-0

"Against all" used to be my favorite too. I never like any candidates, and I always have a hard time figuring out what these parties in Russia stand for. Lately it's been like "we're for Putin" of "we're against Putin". Hardly a platform, imho blink.gif

I'll still vote if they let me miss a few hours at work.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-27 18:58:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusRussia to Vote on Sunday
I am voting if I get time off work - I work Sundays. My parents are here, and they will also vote at the Consulate.

I don't like United Russia and Putin, but I don't think they are as evil as they're portrayed to be.

I won't be voting for United Russia, I will vote for another party that never wins smile.gif I also don't think voting is useless and shameful.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-27 18:32:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusClosed Borders
QUOTE (russ @ Nov 14 2007, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The American Revolution was similar to the Russian one, we both had a King, and both got rid of him. Our new government just lasted a bit longer.

In a sense it was similar, but on the other hand, it was entirely different. We're talking about the October revolution of 1917, correct? There were three revolutions at the beginning of the 20th century, 1905-07, February 1917 and October 1917. The bloodiest thing was the Civil War that followed the one in October, and the Intervention. No one ever remembers the Intervention...

I don't think Russians are in any way "stoic" or anything like that - we just don't give a ####### most of the time. I certainly don't, unless I'm being pushed. Then I push back smile.gif
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-14 20:34:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusClosed Borders
QUOTE (russ @ Nov 14 2007, 04:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
History in Russia has still largely been whitewashed and altered. Many Russians would not believe that the US and UK even fought in World War II. Much of the destruction in the Soviet Union was a result of the poor planning and poor strategy of the Soviets at the beginning of the war. Remember, the Soviets were an aggressor in this war (they annexed Finland and Poland, which both caused great losses on thier own, and sped up the German offensive).

Still a sore spot with my (Finnish) family.

Some of the statements in your post are not entirely correct, and the one in bold is just plain wrong. I really don't understand why you came to this conclusion.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-14 20:25:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusClosed Borders
QUOTE (moxcamel @ Nov 14 2007, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Sid and Nancy @ Nov 14 2007, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (moxcamel @ Nov 14 2007, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and I'm sure a majority of Russians felt that way too.

Nope, they didn't.

I bet if you talked with relatives who grew up in the 80's they'd tell you differently. I spent much of the late 80's and early 90's in the Navy in a job where I...er..."studied" the Russians a lot. I'd never tell you that I know your people better than you do, but from my vantage point the average Russian and the average American had a lot in common when it came to cold war fears.

My brother-in-law did the same, but in the Air Force.

Americans tend to take things more seriously, in my opinion. We didn't get half as paranoid after all our terrorist attacks as you got after 9/11. I may be full of it, but it's my impression. It can be wrong, and solid arguments against it may very well convince me otherwise.

Edited by Sid and Nancy, 14 November 2007 - 05:53 PM.

Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-14 17:52:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusClosed Borders
QUOTE (moxcamel @ Nov 14 2007, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and I'm sure a majority of Russians felt that way too.

Nope, they didn't.


QUOTE (moxcamel @ Nov 14 2007, 01:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I can't imagine what it would be about that era that's driving you and your husband apart, unless of course you're an unapologetic Communist,

You do understand that communism and the Soviet system are not the same thing, don't you?

Well, you are obviously a lot older than me, so it's very hard to relate. It may seem at first that generation gap is easy to overcome, but it's not.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-14 17:37:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusClosed Borders
I have one word for it. Paranoia. My husband is one of those older generation Americans with memories of bomb shelters and Cold War and all that stuff, and quite frankly, this was the major thing that kept driving us apart. Some people just can't relax.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-14 16:16:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusMarriage in Siberia. Anger and frustration in Moscow.
QUOTE (Satellite @ Nov 29 2007, 10:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (slim @ Nov 29 2007, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Think about it... if you're "making it" on just his money, you'll have TONS (used very loosely of course!) of extra cash.
Slim, don't forget, the more you make the more you spend. My parents who are in the highest tax bracket still live pay check to pay check because of this concept!

This is, unfortunately, true.

Right now we're making 3 times as much as 2 years ago when I didn't work and Sid worked a very entry level job. And we have 3 times as many bills as back then. It just happened naturally. You realize that you now can afford a better car, a better apartment, better furniture... *sigh* And we are very careful with money - we are both savers rather than spenders, yet we still have a lot of bills.

Edited by Sid and Nancy, 01 December 2007 - 02:11 PM.

Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-01 14:10:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusMarriage in Siberia. Anger and frustration in Moscow.
QUOTE (dmhweb @ Nov 18 2007, 06:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (seanconneryii @ Nov 17 2007, 02:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
... some jackass rookie window clerk said he would not accept it. He refused my request to speak with his superior. He refused to give me his name. He refused to put the reasons for not accepting my petition in writing. He insulted me and was rude and dismissive. I felt like I was talking to a prison guard, not a civil servant. ...

Unfortunately, sounds like typical Russian Customer service... Any idea if the person you were speaking to was a USC? They employ a lot of Russians at the embassy. Did you try going to the USC service section?

Folks behind bullet proof glass are all Americans, I think. I mean, you gotta be a USC to be able to adjudicate petitions.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-18 13:02:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusMore Election News
QUOTE (russ @ Nov 30 2007, 09:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
http://www.themoscow.../11/30/001.html

Here is the best part:

Eight percent of Russians polled in mid-November said they saw United Russia officials debating candidates from other parties, while 69 percent of those who watched the debates said they were impressed with the party's performance there, according to a poll released this week by the state-controlled VTsIOM polling agency.

The thing is, United Russia did not participate in a single debate.

...and even if they did, it would take an imbecile to be impressed by them, because as far as I'm aware, United Russia doesn't boast any charismatic or articulate members.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-01 14:02:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusDifficulties with getting visa
QUOTE (slim @ Dec 1 2007, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"So are you allowed to work here after your three months is up or you can only work for the three months or what if you can work for the three months and then are you still supposed to keep working or.... when you get married are you still allowed to work? What happens if you get married and then it's been like four months and........ you know what? We'll call you. Thanks for applying."

laughing.gif

Did your wife disclose her immigration status at job interviews? Did they ask her about it?
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-01 13:53:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusDifficulties with getting visa
QUOTE (Kotenochek @ Nov 28 2007, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Make sure you are strong enaugh to go through this,because its whole different story.As slim said here all is expensive,stuff like nails and hair is considered as a luxory.
Moreover people here are way different than in europe..another problem adjustment time going to drive you nuts because you will not be able to work,which for most busy russian girls is worst punishment ever!
stay strong zaika,nikto ne govoril chto budet legko:(

And as time goes by, it gets even worse biggrin.gif

***just kiddin'***
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-28 14:50:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusDifficulties with getting visa
QUOTE (Satellite @ Nov 17 2007, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And nothing compares to the Russian bureaucracy!

Amen to that...
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-17 14:31:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusLet's get out of here before they change their minds.
Congrats! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-05 20:48:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belaruswhat country can i go?
QUOTE (Boris @ Dec 5 2007, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what about Europe?

No more visa for Switzerland. Other EU countries - same rules as without a GC.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-05 22:33:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belaruswhat country can i go?
The list for you is attached.

Not all of these countries let you in because you have a gc - most don't require a visa just because you're a Russian citizen. Also, there are lots of countries that stamp a visa upon entry, they're not on the list.

Attached Files


Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-05 22:27:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarusshare your movie
QUOTE (mox @ Nov 25 2007, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the subject of music, I was at a night club in Yoshkar-Ola (Pharon's) in September, and it was "80's night." Only recognized one song the whole evening, the rest were (I assume) Russian golden oldies. I really liked it for the most part. The one song I recognized was Dire Strait's "Money for Nothing." I got major kudos for knowing all the words. smile.gif

Dire Straights rock good.gif
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-26 03:21:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarusshare your movie
QUOTE (Danno @ Nov 25 2007, 08:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Sid and Nancy @ Nov 25 2007, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Danno @ Nov 24 2007, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny you mention the *Music* in the movie. I can watch old Russian movies, even if I don't understand much more than what I can see but the newer ones with that God-awful Russian music is more than I can bear.
There must be some law where all taxi drives must play this music as well.

Are you talking about the Russian rock? blink.gif I sure hope not.

==================

Absolutely... if you call that "rock", to me it is closer to disco.

Rock, typically has real instruments rather than electric drum tracks.

I'm not sure what music plays in the crime movies cause I don't watch them, but bands like DDT or Nautilus sound like anything but disco.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-26 00:33:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarusshare your movie
QUOTE (Danno @ Nov 24 2007, 08:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny you mention the *Music* in the movie. I can watch old Russian movies, even if I don't understand much more than what I can see but the newer ones with that God-awful Russian music is more than I can bear.
There must be some law where all taxi drives must play this music as well.

Are you talking about the Russian rock? blink.gif I sure hope not.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-25 01:33:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarusshare your movie
There was one really good American movie about Russia, "K-19". I liked it.

"Prisoner of the Mountains" is my favorite Russian movie.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-14 20:39:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarusshare your movie
QUOTE (Danno @ Nov 14 2007, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
wow, most of those movies I never heard of B4.

Well, you're not alone smile.gif
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-14 17:39:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarus2nd NOA Received
Congrats! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-09 16:28:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusApproved!!
QUOTE (Jason-Sasha @ Dec 1 2007, 12:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks everyone! I know I will have loads of new questions now. I will be posting a few new topics in the coming days for sure. We seem to be a fairly small group (Russia) compared to most other country threads. But I'm sure there are more than enough people here to help us further. Thanks again everyone!! biggrin.gif

Folks from other countries or folks from the AOS forum can help you too, if you have questions smile.gif
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-01 13:57:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusApproved!!
Congrats! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-11-29 17:02:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusMosocw Medical Exam Controversy
QUOTE (slim @ Dec 7 2007, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Sid and Nancy @ Dec 5 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And these "thousands of women" are looking outside for other reasons, not because the Russian men are so bad. I certainly wish you all the best and hope you won't one day find out what these reasons are.


Please share these reasons.

They just want to use you for a green card. Very simple.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-09 12:20:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusMosocw Medical Exam Controversy
QUOTE
and maybe you should thank god you live in the USA cause so many foreign women on this site want to come here so badly.

Hmm... logic? Many women may want it, I don't care. I never wanted this for myself. I never even thought of it. I wanted to live in Europe at one point, but never in America. And it's not really nice to tell people waht they should think.

I mean, I liked living in Moscow much better than in the crime-ridden area of San Jose where you can't leave your car on the street cause it gets broken into and people sell drugs in the middle of the day right in front of you. Sure Moscow has it all too, but here it's so in your face, I can't seem to be able to get away from it.

QUOTE
And... Why are Americans not allowed to critisize other countries but people of other nationalities are so quick to critisize and judge America and Americans?

Everyone is allowed everything. But I have actually lived in the USA a few years, so I have experienced it first-hand. If I had merely visited a country a few times, I think I'd still be entitled to an opinion, but it would probably have no merit. That's what I think of the OP's opinion - he is entitled to it, but it's not really based on much, imho.

Let's just all get real - enough of that "America is paradise" bull. It's good to try to find the middle ground - seems to always work best good.gif

AO Medicina, btw, is a very good clinic, I would recommend it. I don't know about the other one.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-09 12:17:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusMosocw Medical Exam Controversy
QUOTE (seanconneryii @ Dec 5 2007, 06:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
America has it's issues...for sure. But everybody seems to want to live here for some reason. Anyway...you can always go back to Russia. And I know enough about Russian men to know that tens of thousands of Russian women are looking outside Russia for men.

This is exactly the kind of attitude that makes me fall off my chair.

Not everyone wants to live in America. Most people in the world don't.

And these "thousands of women" are looking outside for other reasons, not because the Russian men are so bad. I certainly wish you all the best and hope you won't one day find out what these reasons are.

And yes, I can always go back to Russia. Thank God for that.



QUOTE (mox @ Dec 5 2007, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nancy has every right to be indignant. Moscow is every bit as "civilized" (whatever the hell that means) as any other large, modern city on this planet. If you want to criticize Moscow for the crime, you've obviously never been to our nation's capital, Washington D.C. It's the murder capital of the world. If you want to criticize Moscow for depravity, you've obviously never been to Los Angeles. Organized crime? Welcome to Los Vegas. Political corruption? 3 words: Diebold voting machines.

And you're right, America still ranks right up there for places people want to live in the world. It's a great country. But we don't have to knock down someone else's country (literally or figuratively) to prove it.

Sorry, I don't mean to stir things up (well ok, maybe a little bit). But I think we need to start looking right in our own backyard before we start name-calling other countries.

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Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-05 22:22:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusMosocw Medical Exam Controversy
QUOTE (seanconneryii @ Dec 5 2007, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Lyuba @ Dec 5 2007, 01:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't believe those stories about harassment.

People, give me a break here. It is Moscow, a civilized city after all!

Where do you get those strange ideas about Russia?

I've been to Russian 5 times and Moscow 3 times, and i would not call it civilized. Crime is high and it is not safe at night. The mafia runs the taxis and airports and most everything else. The hotels and restaurants are all rip-offs, and recently the Mosocw traffic makes NYC look like a rural town.

Additionally, Russian men have a well-deserved reputation for mistreatment of women. Along those lines, the MOM exam clinic was notorious for making the women strip and then having a staring fest complete with verbal profanity much like one might expect at a Russian strip club.

Civilized?

Oh sure, how can we compete with the civilized America where there's no crime at all. I mean, no one can shoot you at a mall in the middle of the day whistling.gif If crime and mafia and high prices are what makes you label a country "uncivilized", then your motherland is at the top of the list.

Well, it's your opinion, you're entitled to it. I'm entitled to mine, and I think your opinion is wrong, and if my husband ever dared to say something like that about my country, he would now be divorced and thinking of what to do with his lonely life. I'm sure glad you happen to have a spouse with views similar to yours.

And you know s**t about Russian men.
Sid and NancyFemaleRussia2007-12-05 20:34:00