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US Citizenship General DiscussionOath Ceremony Length - Los Angeles
Asking for all SoCal filers to chime in with their experience:

My wife passed her naturalization interview and has a scheduled oath ceremony next Tuesday at Los Angeles Convention Center (LACC) at 12:10pm. What time can we expect the ceremony to be over? I am trying to coordinate afternoon activities (picking up our kid from preschool back in OC).


celiothrknMaleChina2014-01-07 20:40:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400 June 2013 Filers

 

They usually schedule within 45 days after approval. I'm still within that time. When was your wife's interview? It doesn't look like there's a scheduled oath at LACC in November, so if I am scheduled for oath in December, I will have to cancel our trip for that month. Kind of makes me wish I lived in one of those small states with same day oath.  

 

When you go to www.uscis.gov and input your case number, what's your status? The website shows we're stuck at the Testing & Interview phase, despite already having passed the naturalization interview.


celiothrknMaleChina2013-10-21 17:18:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400 June 2013 Filers

 

Nope. No oath letter, and my online status is still the same as your wife.. The IO told me that he's scheduling 2 months out. Going off of what he told me, I'd be scheduled for oath ceremony in.. November? From what I've seen on trackitt, the time frame for citizenship seems to be 5 months in Los Angeles. Do applicants in OC attend oath here in LA, too? 

 

Oh. That's odd. Our IO in Santa Ana told us the oath ceremony would be 1 month out (in Oct). Then again, maybe IOs have no authority over scheduling so he was operating on a guess.

Our N-652 Naturalization Interview Results paperwork says lists three oath ceremony sites: LA County Fairgrounds, LA Convention Center, Anaheim Convention Center. If your N-652 is the same, then I could understand, since Orange County is basically a suburb of Los Angeles.

If what you said about November is true, then there's an oath ceremony scheduled for Nov 20, 2013 in Anaheim Convention Center. If that's the case, then we'd have to postpone our oath ceremony because we'll be leaving the country in mid-November for a 7 week vacation.




celiothrknMaleChina2013-10-16 13:58:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400 June 2013 Filers

happilycontent,

 

I see that you filed the N-400 in June 2013 and passed your interview in September. My wife's in the same boat actually. She had the interview in Santa Ana, CA.

  1. However as of today when I check www.uscis.gov, our case status is still TESTING AND INTERVIEWING. What's yours?
  2. Have you gotten any letters to schedule for your oath ceremony yet? Based on this website, it looks like the next ceremony in the Los Angeles area should be either Oct 23 or Nov 20.

celiothrknMaleChina2013-10-15 11:25:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400 June 2013 Filers

We filed the N-400 first week of June 2013.

My wife arrived at 34 Civic Center Plaza in Santa Ana, CA at 7:30am today for her naturalization interview. Went through security and waited in line for about an hour and half. Security said that cellular phones were not permitted inside. The actual interview probably took 15 minutes total.

Was asked 6 questions i.e. Who's the commander in chief of military? What are the dominant political parties in the US?

Walked through the N-400 application, particularly the yes/no section. i.e. Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? Do you support the Constitution and form of government of the US?

The only curveball she got was a result of her traffic ticket (improper lane change). How much were you fined for your traffic ticket? Did you attend traffic school?

IO then gave her a letter stating she had passed and informed her that the oath ceremony will be in October. I checked the USCourts.gov website for our district, and I think the next oath ceremony is scheduled for October 23, 2013.

Out and free to celebrate by 9:00am.












celiothrknMaleChina2013-09-24 11:34:00
US Citizenship General DiscussionN-400 June 2013 Filers
Looking at the stats on VisaJourney, it appears that the Interview's an average of 100 days after NOA. So if our NOAs are June, would it be correct to assume sometime in the September vicinity?

Out of curiosity, what if you can't make it to the interview? We are planning for a vacation this fall but want to make sure we "work around" any possible dates for the Interview.


celiothrknMaleChina2013-08-10 16:45:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionWorking overseas (in Singapore)
My employer is an American LLC incorporated in NJ (private sector). The LLC was recently bought by a Group based in London. The new owners (the Group) wants to permanently move some of our operations (including my department) to their other subsidiary/office in Singapore. I have the option of relocating the entire family to Singapore OR face involuntary termination + look for new a job in the US. If we go to Singapore, I don't know how many years the assignment will be, but we eventually will return to the US (most likely by resigning and finding a new job in the US).

My wife came to the US on a CR1 visa May 2010 (so she's halfway through her 2-year conditional Green Card). We should be removing conditions in ten months or so (May 2012). Further down the road, we also intend on applying for naturalization, which she'll be eligible for after holding a Green Card for at least 3 years.

Questions:
1. Since removing conditions requires biometrics, it appears we must be physically be in the US to remove conditions. We can't do this at a US embassy/consulate. Right?

2.

In certain cases, spouses of US citizens employed abroad may qualify for naturalization regardless of their time as permanent residents. These spouses may qualify if the US citizen is “in the employment of an American firm or corporation engaged in whole or in part in the development of foreign trade and commerce of the United States, or a subsidiary thereof."


If we go to Singapore, my employer will become a locally-incorporated company in Singapore. In other words I will not be receiving a paycheck from the LLC in NJ anymore. Do we qualify?

If anyone has experience with this, please tell me your story. Obviously I will also be consulting an immigration lawyer on this delicate issue.

3. If/when we arrive in Singapore, we can either stay on our visa OR apply for PR permanent residency. If we apply for PR in Singapore, will the US government revoke my wife's PR status (Green Card) on the grounds that she's taken up residence in another country? FYI we can save approximately 10% on local taxes if we take up PR status in Singapore.
celiothrknMaleChina2011-07-14 12:06:00
Philippinesnew poverty guidelines 2009
I'm a bit confused with your statement. Maybe I'm the one mistaken?

125% of the 2009 Poverty Guideline for a household size of 3 should be $26,325 income.

According to this chart, the guideline of household size of 3 is $21,060 income. So multiply that by 1.25 and you should get $26,325. So you should have a household income of that amount. If not, you would need a co-sponsor.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-05-24 07:12:00
Philippinesim pregnant i want my mom to visit me here for the birth!
Actually you do have something to do: Write her a letter of invitation. Also send her a copy of your green card or utility bill - something with your name on it to show that you currently live in the US. Other than that, that's about it.

  • Parents will have an easier time getting the B2 tourist visa to the US.
  • Older people will have an easier time getting the B2.
  • If your mom or your dad (assuming they are not divorced) own property or has a steady job, show proof.
  • If your mom has traveled internationally in the past, show that.

celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-28 16:16:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresApply for tourist visa & CR1/K3 simultaneously?
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My wife is applying for the CR1/K3. According to time lines, this will take almost a year to process. Can she apply for a tourist visa from the nearest embassy/consulate in China after we've filed for CR1/K3?

Would the tourist visa interview officer think that she's going to come to the US on vacation and not leave the US because she has a husband here?

Also, does anyone have experience applying for Chinese tourist visas to the US? Do Chinese tourists need to go with tour groups? Or can they roam freely?


yes

probably

if she gets a visa and is granted entry into the USA she can roam freely... the big question is will she be given a visa and allowed into the USA...

My wife did exactly that through the consulate at Shengyang. She was here for 3 months then returned to China to wait for the K-3 interview.



gyrsriddle,

Do you remember what proof your wife used to show that she will return to China after her 3 months tourist visa is up? Did you give her an invitation letter stating that you're her husband? If you have a copy of that invitation letter saved, could you message it to me?

Also, does anyone know what the tourist visa approval & rejection rates are?
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-10 07:36:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresApply for tourist visa & CR1/K3 simultaneously?
My wife is applying for the CR1/K3. According to time lines, this will take almost a year to process. Can she apply for a tourist visa from the nearest embassy/consulate in China after we've filed for CR1/K3?

Would the tourist visa interview officer think that she's going to come to the US on vacation and not leave the US because she has a husband here?

Also, does anyone have experience applying for Chinese tourist visas to the US? Do Chinese tourists need to go with tour groups? Or can they roam freely?
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-09 11:27:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresG-325a - address questions
My wife currently lives in the countryside of China where she does not have a street name / number on her house. I chose to write down her work address instead. Perhaps your spouse works somewhere that has a real address? I personally believe the USCIS is less interested in where you live and simply want a mailing address so the embassy/consulate to mail you packet 3.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-04 07:32:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresInterview Location for CR1
I found out the answer to this question, in case anyone's interested.

K-3 are done by the country you were married.
CR-1 are done by the country your spouse resides in.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-29 11:06:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresInterview Location for CR1
My wife & I got married in Hong Kong. My wife is a citizen of the People's Republic of China. Neither of us have residency (or jobs) in Hong Kong. We were simply there "on vacation" and got married as tourists, since you do not need to be a citizen / resident of Hong Kong to get married there. We are now pursuing the K3/CR1 dual track - to see which one comes back first.

The embassy or consulate where you, the spouse of an American citizen, will apply for a K-3 visa must be in the country where your marriage took place.

Our K3 interview would most definitely be in Hong Kong, because that's a quote from the State Department website. But what about the CR1 interview? The NVC decides the consulate for that one, and there is a US Consulate General in Hong Kong as well as Guangzhou, China. Is there any regulation which states that my spouse would do her CR1 interview in the country where our marriage took place (Hong Kong)? Or would we be in her country of citizenship (Guangzhou, China)? blink.gif

Thanks!
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-04 07:49:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresI-130 for my wife with unborn baby
First and foremost, congratulations!

There are pro's and con's to this argument you'd have to consider.

First, after your wife receives the K3 or CR1, you have some time to get to the US (2 years?). Luckily you're not a K1 filer because they have to get to the US in 6 months.

If your wife delivers the baby in China, you, your wife, and the baby will have to show up at the nearest US Embassy / Consulate to file for a CRBA. It's not difficult, but if you're working in the US, it'll still cost you a plane ticket.

Also keep in mind Chinese women who deliver have to go through a "healing period" called Yuezi (??). You can ask your wife about that. During Yuezi, they are not allowed to leave the house. So don't expect her to deliver and then immediately get on a plane.

Of course, if you deliver in China, the total cost of delivery will be much lower. We paid something like 10,000 RMB for the hospital fee & doctor's "red pocket." Keep in mind red pockets are common practice at hospitals in China. Again, your wife can tell you more about that.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-29 22:40:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresChanging Last Names?
Thanks for the responses guys! Unfortunately I'm not sure how easy it would be for her to change her name on her Chinese passport (and by proxy, her household registration). We actually got married in Hong Kong. I highly doubt the mainland Chinese govt would let us proceed with the last name change essentially since we're not legally married according to mainland authorities. Technically to them, my wife is still single. Despite its political relationship, HK and China are run by different governments.

However, take a look at this link. It seems possible for a female green card holder to change last names after you remove conditions.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-30 06:25:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresChanging Last Names?
Our files are at the NVC now. Haven't even gone to the interview yet. We don't have a green card yet.

At what point could we do the name change? We'd have to enter the US, get the green card under her maiden name, and then spend $500 or so for a green card name change? Is that correct?

Unfortunately it's not possible for her to change the name on her Chinese passport right now.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-29 22:47:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresChanging Last Names?
My wife & I got married in Hong Kong. Unlike in Western culture, women in Asia don't really change their names / take their husbands' last names. So we weren't given the option to change her maiden name to my last name.

Now that we're married (and currently processing the CR1), how would we go about a name change if she wants to take my last name?
celiothrknMaleChina2009-09-29 19:36:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresAssembling the I864 Packet....
So only returns from the most recent tax year (2008) is mandatory? Tax returns for 2006 and 2007 are optional? If I do file for 2006 and 2007, I will need to complete a separate I-864 for each year, yes? Likewise for the joint sponsor? Thanks.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-03 19:43:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresNew job pays above 125% poverty line
We're applying for CR1. We're filing the I-864 (AOS package) with NVC right now.

1. If my income for 2008 was below the 125% poverty line, but I recently got a new job which pays above the 125% poverty line, do I still need a joint sponsor? I obviously don't have a 2009 tax return to prove it, but in theory I could show a signed employment contract and pay stubs.

2. If I file tax returns for 2006, 2007, and 2008, I will need to complete a separate I-864 for each year, yes? Likewise for the joint sponsor?

Thanks.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-05 16:40:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresJust recieved Noa2, and leaving the USA for 3 months
Luckily you're filing for China. China has Electronic Processing so you could receive all forms from the NVC by email. You may rack up some international phone bills (use Skype!) to call the NVC but if you're spending 3 months there, then that's not something worth complaining about!
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-05 16:28:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresGREEN CARD AND SSN
We're applying for a CR1.

When you receive the green card in the mail, does USCIS issue it based on the name in your passport? Is there any room to choose the name on your green card - perhaps at the Port of Entry?

I know if you apply for a SSN at the SSA, you could choose to write in your new name.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-06 09:17:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresReceive Instruction Package
Receive Instruction Packet?

Are you talking about something like this? Note that this for K3 applicants in China, but all applicants follow the same process outlined in this document.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-18 23:09:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresCase received by NVC Sept 25 2009. Nothing since.
Like everyone else said: you haven't given NVC your email addresses. That's why you haven't heard back. After you give email addresses to a NVC operator, it'll probably take them a week to generate your AOS bill and DS-3032.

In case you're wondering what they're doing right now, NVC is probably preparing to send you the AOS bill and DS-3032 by paper through snail mail. Since this is all done manually, it takes a while for them to get to it. So naturally going electronic would be a wise decision.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-18 23:05:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresChange of address
If you already did your medical checkup before you even filed your I-130, you may have to redo your medical checkup by the time your application reaches the US Embassy/Consulate.

Anyways, for all intents and purposes, you should put your new address on your I-130 because USCIS and NVC will be sending you mail.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-28 15:35:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresSemantics in Letter of Employment
I am in-between jobs. My first day of my new job starts on Jan 5, 2010. I've already signed the employment contract.

For my letter of employment, should I have the HR dept. write me one now, in which it would say "So-and-so will be employed as a full-time employee starting Jan 5, 2010?"

Or should I wait until Jan 6th and then have HR write a letter that says "So-and-so has been employed as a full-time employee since Jan 5, 2010?"

It's really just a question of semantics, and I was wondering if one way would be better than the other. Would NVC care?

Our IV package is already done, so the only thing I need is my AOS package to complete the NVC phase of my CR1. My spouse and I were hoping to finish the NVC process of my CR1 as soon as possible. If we decide to wait until Jan to send the letter of employment, we'd be adding something like 3-4 weeks to (unnecessary) wait time.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-12-09 11:42:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresSigned-in Failed
Normally the "touching" occurs with the first phase at USCIS when you're still waiting for the NOA2 (Approval Notice).

Login failure is usually when your case has finished processing at NVC and is being forwarded to the Embassy/Consulate. Looking at your signature, it seems you're not at that yet.

Edited by celiothrkn, 16 December 2009 - 10:07 PM.

celiothrknMaleChina2009-12-16 22:04:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresRegister Marriage Abroad with US
In New Jersey, the Bureau of Vital Statistics and Registration (which normally performs marriage registrations) allows couples to register their marriages performed in another country by registering a Remarriage. You just have to reaffirm your vows. I'm guessing most states will have this option but may call it a different name.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of this service? Currently my wife & I got married in Hong Kong.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-12-19 08:12:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresFiling Taxes
Ahh, I found some other posts which said that SSN can be applied 2 weeks after POE and receive it in the mail in 1 week. Much shorter than the several weeks that the SSA website claimed.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-12-17 09:50:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresFiling Taxes
No, my wife is not in the US yet but she will be on or around the same time I file. I think she can arrive just before April 15, in which case we wouldn't need the ITIN and can just go to the Social Security Administration and get her a SSN. But the SSA website says it may take a few weeks to get the SSN, which is no different from the ITIN which takes 4-6 weeks. Does anyone know how long it takes to get the SSN from SSA?

At this point I think the married filing separately may be best.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-12-17 09:42:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresFiling Taxes
I'm looking at the tax forms right now, but I don't know what to write for my spouse's SSN!

The filing period is Jan 1 to Dec 31, 2009. We got married in late Jan. So to the IRS, that means she's been my wife for the whole year, and I can't possibly file as Single. Yet her CR1 is still being processed so she hasn't gotten here or gotten a SSN yet.

I am not asking for legal or tax advice. I'd like to know if anyone's been through the same situation (as I'm sure many CR1 filers on these forums have), and I'd like to know your experiences. Please share. innocent.gif
celiothrknMaleChina2009-12-16 21:59:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresGet Married first then apply?
Before you decide on the K3 or CR1, you should have her apply for a tourist visa to the US first. Keep in mind that both the K3 and CR1 are long processes so having a tourist visa to the US is handy in avoiding long periods of separation.

With that said, go CR1.
celiothrknMaleChina2010-01-29 21:19:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresAppeal CR1 Blue Slip?
We found a joint sponsor so we will be pursuing this route in lieu of appealing. Our joint sponsor says her latest tax returns were 40-50 pages. Would it be OK if we only sent the Form 1040 (2 pages) and W-2? I believe it's basically all the schedules that are creating weight.

Also, the blue slip asked for 2006-2008 tax returns. In theory we can get away with only the latest tax return, right? If we follow their directions word-for-word, the joint sponsor will be mailing roughly 150 pages to China (3 years x 50 pages per tax return = 150 pages).

If we request a tax transcript from IRS, would it be a lot of pages too? I would prefer not going this route because tax transcripts take up to 2 weeks, especially now (end of March) that the IRS is in busy-mode. So I am looking for legitimate ways to get our package to Guangzhou as fast and as conveniently as possible.
celiothrknMaleChina2010-03-23 21:29:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresAppeal CR1 Blue Slip?

What exactly does the blue slip say? You don't appeal blue slips. You comply with them. If you have a salary of 45k from employment and showed recent pay stubs as evidence, it would be unusual to be denied but certainly possible. Again, what exactly does the blue slip say?


Blue slip said Lacking Documents/Further Processing. Need 2006-2008 tax returns/transcripts for co-sponsor. Need original signed I-864.
celiothrknMaleChina2010-03-15 13:12:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresAppeal CR1 Blue Slip?
My wife had her CR1 interview in US Consulate-Guangzhou, China on March 8. The VO said everything looked fine, except for our $45K salary. For whatever reason, it's not enough to satisfy the $22K requirement for a household size of three. The VO gave us a blue slip to get a co-sponsor, which I feel is absolutely unnecessary because I am 2X the required amount.

I have a very ordinary job. Annual salary of 45K. No sales commission or anything. Some people online think that it may be because I only started the job on Jan 5, 2010. But I fail to see how that is a legitimate concern since the government is more concerned on whether my projected future earnings will be sufficient to support our family of three.

Asides from finding a co-sponsor, what other options do I have? I vaguely remember reading that you have 28 days to appeal a CR1 decision in-person? Is that true? I do not mind flying to Guangzhou and having a chit-chat with them.
celiothrknMaleChina2010-03-14 22:27:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresGetting Married
Like what was said before, changing last name during marriage is probably the easiest since the visa is issued according to the name in the passport.

Otherwise you will have to wait approximately 2 years after marriage until you have to remove conditions on green card. At that point, file the I-751 (to remove conditions) using married name. The resulting 10-years green card should then have married name.
celiothrknMaleChina2010-04-08 21:52:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresNon-VWP, B2 with I-129F Approved
QUOTE (Darnell @ Oct 22 2009, 11:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First and foremost, the US Government, and hence the Interview Officer at the Consulate/Embassy that she'll interview at -
ASSUME FIRSTLY that she's trying to immigrate to the USA. Fair or unfair - doesn't matter (well, it does, meh ) - but...


It's quite ironic though. In my letter of invitation to my wife (who's applying for the B2), I specifically stated that she will be immigrating to the US in the future - via our CR1 immigrant visa. You don't need to assume it. laughing.gif What will the interviewing officer think of her application given those circumstances?
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-26 14:46:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresNon-VWP, B2 with I-129F Approved
Phillip,

My wife also wants to apply for a B2 tourist visa to come visit me in the US for a few months while we wait for her CR1 immigrant visa interview which will be springtime next year. She's going to have her interview with the US Embassy-Beijing on Thursday.

I remember reading somewhere that college/university is good demonstration of "ties to China" especially if you've already invested 3+ years into the degree. It's arguably better than employment because with employment, you can always quit and find a new job. Transferring credits from school to school is more of a hassle.

I know it's been done before though. I remember someone on VJ saying that his wife went to the US while they were applying for the K3.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-10-26 14:34:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresVaccinations in China
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QUOTE (celiothrkn @ Nov 27 2009, 09:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Does anyone have experience with getting vaccinations in China - as they are mandatory for CR1 immigrant visa petitions? Since my wife is < 25 years old, we'll need to get 4 mandatory shots. (Surprisingly she tells me she doesn't have any vaccination record because China didn't have that "back in the day.")


Thanks.


REALLY? Where is your fiancee from? Mine is 30, lives in Chongqing and I saw her vaccination card during my last visit. The card is from "back in the day." smile.gif Maybe they didn't have the system in place in her town/city...


Oh, I guess I was wrong! Chongqing is a big city so I guess they do things differently there. I've actually heard of foreigners going to Chongqing in the early 1900s. My wife is from a rural city in Shandong province untouched by foreigners, and thus their system is very "backwards." My wife says she got vaccinations at middle school and such but never had any paperwork indicating it.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-11-30 22:02:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresVaccinations in China
Also, has HPV been removed from the vaccination requirement?
Check here.
celiothrknMaleChina2009-11-27 22:29:00