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I have been reading this entire post and enjoy all your comments. You people are really fantastic in trying to give Farid advice. And yes maybe Lisa can come on board and you guys can help her. I have learned the hard way not to ever give advice on how to obtain a visa as others don't think I know what I am doing. So I only stand from afar and applaud those who are alot more intelligent than I am in giving advice. This MENA forum is the best.

Still awaiting Farid's oath ceremony. Wohoo Morocco here we come.

I just

you to pieces!! Congrats with almost being done with immigration!!!! I want to help people because I could not have gotten through what I did without the help of some pretty amazing people I have met on this board. I was and will always be grateful for the straightforward, no nonsense advice!

Edited by tany1157, 21 March 2012 - 08:05 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-21 20:02:00

Farid
Here is what I think happened....

Your EX Fiance notifed the consulate of withdrawing the petition and maybe she gave them some bad words against you about using her
or just trying to come to USA
So maybe that is why the CO just asked about her.

Think hard about if this is true cause this will be something you will have to dispute later if USCIS gives you the chance.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-21 19:04:00

i'm not angry at all sicnerly who told i'm i am really cool coz we are waiting me and faincee of the answer coz they say we will answer you in 10buiness days then we will do next step inshaa Allah means she will viist me and got married that is it coz i know when it go back to uscis it will take at least 1 year there and maybe stay till expires there and they will see fill otu anotehr petition .i accept any good advices does nto means i write here i am mad and wnat people say yeah i will get visa.i post here just maybe there is anotehr similar case like mine that is so again i am not mad its some people here who are mad coz them too got denied and does nto like that i dea i am posting try find good story that will finsh happy like mine lol

I am actually not mad at you, anyone else on VJ, or the world because my husband has been denied a visa. Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Other than not having my husband next to me, I have a pretty great life. Have a smart healthy son,a good relationship with his dad, very close family, work in a career that I love, and have a growing and great relationship with my husband. So please, don't assume that I am a witch because of these denials. Immigration does not run my life.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-21 18:57:00

I accept any advice i am very open but some who try think know evrything you talk about your story and i am talking about also two story i know.for me i ahve no Probleme to wait nothign at all but till now nothing i think or some try understand what i am trying to say is why some havd red flags and got aproved and my i ahev one is my ex i admit yeha but as i told you i know some met women before too and got aproved and they ask him who is that X they anwer my ex faince then asked them why you broke then they answer by things did nto work out then the co move to anotehr question and got aprroved or at least ask them we will contact you.i'm sorry that you got denied twice i wonder me too why i know after been married your husband should got it i know many as well in their secodn interview their visa was aprroved .My Fiancee send them already emails we are waiting what will happend even if i know there is no chance but I need Belive maybe something can happen who Know Only God know.i know if it back to ucis it wil stay there till it will expire.

I know it sucks Farid, it does. Our reaffirmed petition was just sent off to Casa yesterday. This will be his third interview, and damn it, I will have my husband with me, God willing. You just have to keep fighting. Nobody can answer you as to why they approve some so much easier than others. We have all battled with that, the ones who have been denied anyways. It is really hard to see others get approved so easily, while others get denied, with less red flags.

Of course, see what you can do while the petition is still there, but if it isn't there, then you can only wait. K1 is different though. Very rarely they will issue a NOID for a K1, they usually just let that petition expire, and tell you that you are free to refile again. This is what happened to my husband and I. We decided to get married, and file a Cr1. I have seen USCIS issue a NOID (notice of intent to deny) for a K1,but it's rare.CR1 is different. When you get denied a visa for CR1, the petition will never expire. The USCIS will issue a NOIR (notice of intent to revoke) It took us 9 months from when the USCIS received our petition to get this paper. (It had taken 6 weeks for our petition to get to the USCIS)This will tell you what the consular officer says about your interview, and you have 30 days to respond. Then they will either reaffirm the petition , or revoke it. If revoked, you still have a right to appeal the decision.

You are getting defensive, when I am only telling you the cold facts. I will move along if you no long wish to have my advice, but don't get annoyed or defensive with me just because I won't tell you what you WANT to hear. I don't know everything, but let me tell you, I have become quite the expert on denials, and the Casa consulate. After three years of going through it, I think I've earned the right to speak on this subject.

And just so you know, your case isn't that different than the tons of other cases that get denied. They simply don't believe your relationship is real. Getting over that will mean more visits, and more time together

Edited by tany1157, 21 March 2012 - 06:51 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-21 18:44:00

Good and me too willnot like that if i do not know simmilar stories ,there is one and read good plz,i know guy who met 3 women from usa had one interview with the first he got denied then met the secodn had interview as well they told hilm we will back your case to usa then his faincee conect her lawayer to ahev an,otehr intervuiew but he decide to broke with ehr and at the end he met the third one and he decide to ahve lawayer from begining and that is what happend they put him on process and got visa with any porbleme and he is living now in usa ,so as u say you ahev you onw expereicne and i know the guy very good so i do nto talk from nothing you understand me now

As you can see, there is no rhyme or reason to Casa. Your red flags are red flags, whether that guy got through easily has nothing to do with your case. Your American fiance, the first one, is causing problems. Just look what you said before, all the CO wanted to know was about that case. That right there should tell you something. You may know that guy, but I have been through my own hell with Casa, so please, either take my advice or not, I don't care what you do. If you want to act like you know everything, then that is your business. I am telling you from my experience, and what I have been reading on these forums for almost 3 years now. My paperwork has been meticulous from beginning to end. Never used a lawyer. I received a Notice of Intent to Revoke, which meant Casa sent back my petition to USA, telling USCIS to revoke it. USCIS told me what casa's problem was with my husband, and we rebut everything they said, and gave lots of additional evidence. We were reapproved in 6 days. A lawyer, your senator, your congressman....none of them can get you a visa. I have had my senator following my case since January of 2010. She is fabulous, but again, their power is limited. Do you know if your petition has left Casa yet?? If it hasn't, then tell your fiance to email them, call them, and contact her senators. Has she done any of this? If your petition has in fact left Casa, there is nothing else you can do right now Farid, but wait. I am not trying to be a jerk, I am trying to tell you what is happening to your case, I am trying to help you. What you do with the knowledge of what me and others have told you is your business.

Oh, and you being friends with a guy who tried with three fiances to get to USA and finally succeeded, and you're on your second one....things that make you go hmmm

Edited by tany1157, 21 March 2012 - 06:21 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-21 18:17:00

My case did not denied sorry dispoint you;coz already asked him if my case is refusal he said no ..about red flags you did not say anything coz i have nothign as red Flags if you say soem i would like know same age did not need cosponsore we know each otehr for 1 years and two months what else we met online like evvery one met what else i do not find anything seriously .soem had red flags on here like 17 years old gap go aprroved with any problemes soem their faincee met them only once and also age gap but got aprroved as u say there is soemthign else beside age and my fiancee visited me once .I only see one i ahve beadr and i'm mulsim and he does not like that idea

Red flags I see:

--first American fiance is the biggest red flag you have. You having a previous American fiance, then finding ANOTHER American fiance does not sit well with the consulate. They think you just want a way to get to USA
--meeting online--whether you see it a big deal or not, this is a red flag for Casa
--only 1 visit

I thought I read before you said the CO said he was sending your case back to USA, is this true?

Hello everyone i had my interview March this week but he said we will back your case to Usa and gave me my papsport and white page 221G ,i asked him is it refusal he said no no ;my question what will happen if somone know any story similar to mine and thank you so much any answer will be more welcome and good help for me

sorry to disappoint YOU, but this is a visa denial (what is in the bold) As I stated before, they will say "no, we don't deny you, just sending your case back to USA", take it from someone who has been through TWO denials, this is being DENIED A VISA. They can't deny your actual petition, only USCIS can do that. But CO can certainly deny a visa. So please, you aren't speaking to someone who knows nothing about this consulate, just look at my signature, and timeline

Edited by tany1157, 21 March 2012 - 05:50 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-21 17:45:00

Cool so if what i brought with me as proof and eveience of our bonafide relationship are the same that already my fainced sent with the petiotion to uscis and got apprvoed i mean evrything why the Co will eturn my case to uscis again then this is the things i did not get and did not understand ,or there is soemhing else they want know as my printfingers to chekc my backroud .if yeah then iu understand hoiw things woirk better now

While the consular officer can not revoke a petition, only recommend that it be revoked, they DO have the final say in visa issuance. You were denied a visa, end of story. Now you must wait until the USCIS receives the petition, and go from there. None of us can say for sure why you were denied, but we have told you what your red flags are, and you have some. The CO, for some reason, does not believe you have a real relationship with your fiance. That's it. Your fiance can contact the senator, or congressman, but if the petition has already left Morocco, you must wait. You were denied because they don't believe your relationship.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-21 16:26:00

It's the first American fiancé that's causing the problem. How long after that interview did you meet your current fiance? What were the reasons your ex gave to the consulate as to why she was canceling the petition?

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-16 04:07:00

so why he did not say vusa refused or denied ?§!!!!

because they won't. Casa is famous for this. If you call, or email, they will even tell you "you were not denied, your petition was sent back for review" but you were in fact denied a visa. We can't help you without any information.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-15 19:27:00

March 2012

Well got updated USCIS status saying Farid's oath ceremony letter on its way. We are excited about this. He truly deserves being a naturalized citizen, I am so very proud of him. He just bought me some sugar wafers. Good man.

And I just got my house rented again to new people. God is great, we are truly blessed.

so happy to hear!! :dance:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-05 20:41:00

March 2012

You too Rosie! Im having a great day off work & relaxing. About to head over to my moms house. Adam went to the Phoenicia market yesterday & went to town on the shopping! He bought bisturma, pita breads, some kind of Egyptian cheese that looks weird but tastes so good, a huge can of grape leaves, cans of his beans, egyptian rice, lamb kofta kabobs, beef sausages & some kinds of desserts with pistaschios. He made me breakfast before church this morning. Loving life with hubby!

awww this made me smile :luv:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-04 16:22:00

March 2012

I never get involved with these threads, but thinking I should. I've been kicking around here long enough

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-02 15:21:00

Any new about your husband..

He just went in guys, I'm about to toss my cookies... :dead:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-02 10:01:00

You all are making me cry...seriously :luv:

Also, is there a difference between a consular officer, and a consular??

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-26 19:09:00

You guys are great, really :blush:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-26 13:22:00

All the support I have gotten from the people here, and in my life have been so important to me/us. I feel so lucky. Patience, and working with your mind, not your heart are key to immigration. I'm praying to give great news next week. I'm also thankful that because we went through this, I can help others going through Casa and denials. From the bottom of my heart, I thank everyone who has helped us along the way. Praying we are close to being united as a family!!

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-26 10:34:00

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-26 08:00:00

WooooooooooooooooooW
Congrats!!!
Are you going?
I am sure you do not need to at this point.
Congrats Tany. You did an awesome job!
kEEP US UPDATED

Yeah, don't think I'm going, but really don't think I need to, unless they requested me. I am in shock :blink:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-26 07:57:00

The consulate just called my husband. They asked if he was Mr. xxxxx xxxxx, well this is the consulate in Casa....we are setting up your interview, where do you live? He said he lived in xxxx. He said, your interview is next monday at 3 pm with the consular. Hubby asked if he needed to bring anything. They said just your passport. They also told him, don't wait with the other people waiting for interviews, just go to the secretary, and give her your passport. I can't believe our interview is in a week :girlwerewolf2xn:

Edited by tany1157, 26 March 2012 - 07:48 AM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-26 07:48:00

It's over

So his interview was more like 20-25 minutes. I misunderstood him earlier...

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-02 16:36:00

It's over

....our visa journey that is....Approved! (L)

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-02 11:20:00

Consulate called

Picking up visa on Monday! (L)

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-06 10:56:00

is that mean AP over ?????

THANKS i also hope so
and best of luck to u too
<3

Thank you

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-02 09:57:00

is that mean AP over ?????

I don't know for sure, but this looks very good! I am hoping it is what we think it is, because it sounds like it :thumbs:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-02 07:59:00

Enjoy it!!
Such wonderful news that he has his visa.
You have been such a great example throughout this process of how to get things done, and turned around in your favor. And, you've done it with a lot of grace and class - no whining or blaming others. Truly, a great example of how to get it done!
Wishing you guys all the best in his journey here and the adjustment and transition period!

Thank you! I didn't let immigration run my life, it wasn't easy, but you can't let it run your life. Otherwise, it will destroy you. I can't wait for what's next!

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-09 14:03:00

What an amazing story of a positive outlook and of love. Two denials and 3 years WOW. I pray you write a book or screenplay. God Bless you and your family. Oh your son what a joyous day this will be.

HAHAHA, my husband keeps telling me I should write a book about it...we will see

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-09 13:35:00

Congrats Tany. I have tears in my eyes remembering your journey. I am so happy for this ending and a new beggining

My process was easy and I am very thankful and very blessed. but I was still crazy throughout the whole thing! lol

You may be on cloud 9 right now just knowing he has his visa.... the the true floating feeling is when you see him walk through that door onto american soil and into your arms. The feeling of no more computer or emails or texts or visits or 20 hour flight.... knowing he will always be next to you when you need a hug or just to hold your hand... this is an amazing feeling... I will never forget how blessed we were and we are forever grateful to all the people of VJ who helped us make it through cairo embassy.

Enjoy your life, your love and your future.
Praise God!
Micki

You made me cry :blush:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-09 13:30:00

...and we finally have our IR1 in hand. I am going to be a bit over the top, maybe emotional, and I know most people say this when their journey is over, but what I am going to say is absolutely from the bottom of my heart. Firstly, we could not have done this without VJ. It has been an amazing source of information, and is what enabled us to do EVERYTHING by ourselves. Our K1, our marriage in Morocco, our CR1, our NOIR, and finally getting our visa. As much as VJ itself has helped, it was really the people I have encountered from when I joined in May of 2009 until now. I have made some great friends because of this journey, and just absolutely could not have done this without their knowledge of denials out of Casa, and the NOIR. There were a few woman who helped me with my first denial in 2010. Then the ones who stuck by me through the second denial in 2011. So many people have followed our case, and have prayed along with us for a great outcome. I can not begin to thank everyone enough. There are so many people who took the time to leave me comments on my page, and who truly cared about us, and our case. It doesn't seem like much, but that has meant a lot to both of us, and gave me strength and courage knowing I had so many people rooting for us.

My family. Wow, my immediate family, to my extended family...parents, sisters,cousins, aunts, uncles, are all excited for his arrival. They are planning a huge Welcome to America/wedding party for us in August. I could not ask to be more blessed with all the support I have received from here, my family, and my co workers. For everyone who left me comments, or emails, I thank you for caring about us. I wasn't able to comment directly to everyone, but I want you to know, I appreciated your concerns for us. You all know who you are. I will also be more than happy to help anyone who needs it here. I have already helped a few people, and it feels so good to be able to pass on the knowledge that I learned to others going through Casa. I don't know everything, but will pass along anything I know, because I would not wish my journey on anyone.

Lastly, I am going to say I am thankful that God knows best. He wanted us to wait. We did our best every step of the way, but it just wasn't our time. He tested us, and I am so proud to say how much closer we are because of this, and how proud we feel that despite all of the let downs, we didn't let that interfere with the love we have for each other. We kept fighting for our relationship, and in the end, we were able to convince them that we deserve this. I was never truly angry with the consulate, as they were only doing their jobs. I would be frustrated with how they conducted business sometimes, but when you have the daunting job of deciding who is a fraud, and who isn't, I can't imagine it is easy. We knew our relationship was real, it was just a matter of time before they would see that. I believe that is why everything went so, so fast in the end. Scheduling the interview for the next week, telling him to get everything in ASAP, calling the very next morning after dropping off documents the day before to get his visa right after the weekend. It really was a blessing. They even made sure to change his CR1 to the IR1. I could not be more pleased with the way it ended.

My husband will now leave everything that he has ever known, but I am happy to say he is coming into a family that has a lot of love and support waiting for him. My mother is an immigrant herself, and remembers exactly how it felt to leave her country. I have so much faith that our relationship will only continue to grow, and all this waiting will be a distant memory. My son will not know when he is coming, because my husband has his heart set on surprising him. Our life has been on hold for many years, and we finally get to begin our lives together as husband and wife :luv:

Sorry for the long post, I just have a lot gratitude to share (L)

Edited by tany1157, 09 April 2012 - 01:23 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-09 13:17:00

The little things your husband/wife does

He tells me his dreams about our future together
He finds pictures of what it might look like and sends them to me

He Skypes/messages/texts/emails me every day

When we are together, he holds my hand everywhere we go
He kisses me in public places
He treats me to meals in restaraunts that serve his authentic home cuisine, and teaches me how to cook them when we get home
He holds me every chance he gets
He buys me products and things I need without my asking for them
He keeps our room clean when I'm too busy to help out
Massages

For Valentines Day he took me out to a SKYPE Candlelight Dinner. Oh yes.

He loves me. Plain and simple.

He keeps my hopes up when things look hopeless.
He makes me laugh when it seems there is nothing to laugh about.

He loves me. Always.

How can I not love him!?

PLEASE TELL ME - Is it alright to sound romantic and totally in love in my Declaration of Meeting document? I want the feds to know I love him and want him safe in the country, but I don't want to sound so romantic they won't believe me. I want to sound professional, but not so professional that they won't believe me either.

You may get more help on your declaration page if you start your own thread about it, instead of posting in a 4 year old thread :bonk:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-26 04:24:00

Tragedy for our own (Kokylolo) Christina Wassef

I am so sorry to hear this, knowing she lost both her children...just takes my breath away. My condolences (F)

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-03-09 15:03:00

What you can do is
1 - continue to get to know your new friend, find out about his life - does he have work prospects, does he look for work, does he work? How does he spend his time?

2- Get to know more about his family.

3- Enjoy your life, and do things to improve the quality and happiness of your life - you sound very lonely, and sound as though you feel like meeting him will be great for your life. Relationships work best when both people are happy going into the relationship.

4 - Read the DOS warning, and ask yourself if anything in your relationship sounds like that.

5 - Ask him if any of his friends are in relationships with American or European women.

6 - Ask him what he thinks life is like in America.

7 - Ask him how many other women he's met online, and how long the relationships with them lasted, and why they ended.

Those are a few things I can think of off the top of my head.
Anyone else?

I can't stress how important this one is for ANY relationship. This is why I said your man should enhance your life, not be all,and end all to your life. You have to know who you are, what you want, and be happy. If you look to a relationship to help you feel better about yourself, or your loneliness, than nevermind all the immigration stuff, that in itself spells disaster. You said you have a child? I hope that child is thought of before any of your own feelings, as you are proposing to bring a man in your house that you have only known for a few short months. My husband knew from day one, that A) my son comes before anyone and B) that I have a good relationship with my son's dad, and it will stay that way. I was pretty satisfied with my life when I met my husband. I work in a career that I love, and am very involved with my son, volunteering in his school and such. I have a failed marriage, and it failed in part because I got married young, and because I thought I needed someone in my life to be happy. I was so wrong. I needed to be content with myself before I could really be in a successful relationship. Relationships are difficult, and need more than just love to succeed. Add cultural/religious differences into the mix, and you have yourself quite a challenge. I fell in love with my husband early, but we thank God for what we just went through, as we know each other so much more than we did the first year together. There is a lot of compromise on both parts, and hard work to make it work. If it is real love, it will withstand the time apart.

Edited by tany1157, 23 April 2012 - 03:36 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 15:35:00

oh maaaaaaaan....i just wanna be with him...

i've seen ppl getting married here for less..i mean i know its not making any sens..but i love him...is there any way we can get through this...maybe we will not get married and then when i come back ..just file a fiancee visa??hows that sound??

This is a much better plan than marriage, although even then, it won't guarantee an approval. Who has gotten married faster than 4 months after meeting???

Edited by tany1157, 23 April 2012 - 03:04 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 15:03:00

If you really love him....wait. Marrying someone from a foreign country is not the same as marrying someone stateside. You both are still in the infatuation period. Seriously, my husband and I moved fast, but not that fast. :wow:

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 14:50:00

Oh I just read what you wrote on your page that y'all met online in January? So met 3 months ago and ready to marry on first trip?

January?! Slow down girl. How are you supposed to see if you guys have any kind of bond while running around, doing paperwork?? because that is all you will be doing for a few weeks. Hardly an ideal way to see if you even want to marry this guy. You really should not get married now, you should take that time to spend together. Seriously

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 14:48:00

thank u guys, we've been talking for less than a year

we got engaged in less than a year, and it caused problems.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 14:29:00

you say you don't have a lot of money, this process is expensive. Are you able to support him while he is here? That will be a requirement. You can also have a co sponsor if you don't make enough money. But keep that in mind. And usually, one visit will not cut it with Casa.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 14:01:00

thank u so much for all the answers, we met through yahoo ..and we used to talk a lot ,and then we decided to take it to the next level...seriously ppl here in the us gets married for less like i dk ..but i guess its obvious if i want to marry him for life ..

he is older than me a 8 years gap , i already have a son..im a christian for now but i dk maybe i'll convert some time..u know why i wanna get this quickly cuz i dont have that much money to spend on flights ..im just a simple girl living a simple life and dreaming to fulfill it with my love..isnt that enough??

its the first time i will ever take a plane..and i've been saving to buy the ticket..im being honest with u guys..i cant stand living on my own..i 've been reading stuff here and there ..and i know that its going to be hard...but my situation wouldnt allow me to travel a lot to morocco..

he was never married before ..

so what do u guys think??

plz help me

sorry, not sure what happened with my last post... This response is to the bolded...

:wow:

you are painfully naive about this process....NO, that is not enough, and trust me, rushing to get it over with, will end up costing you much more in the long run. Please, you need to REALLY know what you are getting into. Your man should ENHANCE your life, not the be all, end all. I see immigration disaster in your future. I am willing to help you with any advice you need, but I will not tell you what you WANT to hear, I will tell you the facts. Do what you wish with them.

Edited by tany1157, 23 April 2012 - 01:57 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 13:57:00

[quote name='adelitarif' timestamp='1335206927' post='5323615']
thank u so much for all the answers, we met through yahoo ..and we used to talk a lot ,and then we decided to take it to the next level...seriously ppl here in the us gets married for less like i dk ..but i guess its obvious if i want to marry him for life ..

he is older than me a 8 years gap , i already have a son..im a christian for now but i dk maybe i'll convert some time..u know why i wanna get this quickly cuz i dont have that much money to spend on flights ..im just a simple girl living a simple life and dreaming to fulfill it with my love..isnt that enough??

its the first time i will ever take a plane..and i've been saving to buy the ticket..im being honest with u guys..i cant stand living on my own..i 've been reading stuff here and there ..and i know that its going to be hard...but my situation wouldnt allow me to travel a lot to morocco..

he was never married before ..

so what do u guys think??

Edited by tany1157, 23 April 2012 - 01:56 PM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 13:54:00

Before making any decisions, read this forum. Have all the information before you take any steps. Getting married on the first visit is already a red flag. Can you tell us more? How and when you met. What is the age difference, any divorce or kids? Which religion are you. Do you regularly send him money? Does he have family/ friends here? Has he been petitioned before? Has he ever had a relationship with a foreignor?

Edited by tany1157, 23 April 2012 - 11:52 AM.

tany1157

Female

Morocco

2012-04-23 11:50:00