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Marriage with Ukrainians on K-1 Visa and Last Name Change

QUOTE (nyhazmat @ Feb 6 2009, 09:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

We traveled over in August of last year. Me being me, I bought the tickets in her new name. When we got to JFK on the way out we were questioned by the airline and had to give a copy them of our marriage certificate, just a photo copy. In Kiev upon entry she just gave them her Ukrainian passport, no questions asked. We tried to get her passport changed while we were there and were told that she would need to change both passports, internal and external. They said that it would take 6 months to get it done. We tried the offering of some cash and apparently found the one honest government employee, she wouldn't take it. We gave up. When we went to leave, we checked in with the airline using her passport, green card, and copy of the marriage certificate. Passport Control was the same, with no questions at all. Upon arrival back in the US just the green card, very quick and no questions.

We are not going to try changing it again as it just worked to easy.

Thanks - I was afraid of that. More to follow eventually...

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-02-07 04:07:00

Marriage with Ukrainians on K-1 Visa and Last Name Change

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QUOTE (Natalya-Dmitriy @ Feb 6 2009, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hello,
I have a question about the marriage with Ukrainians on K-1 Visa. After the marriage, my wife decided to change her last name to mine. We change all American documents (Social security, state ID, etc) – no problems. However, when I called to Ukrainian consular in Chicago and ask them about changing her foreign Ukrainian passport due to the last name change, I was told that according to Ukrainian law, she is a visitor in USA and our marriage is not valid. The only way for her to change her last name will be us together to go back to Ukraine, get married over there and change Ukrainian internal passport. Only after that she can change Ukrainian foreign passport with different name. Also, in two years her Ukrainian passport is due and needs to be replaced. She will have a green card for different last name. Will it be a problem? Did anyone have similar issue? How is it going to work with traveling back to Ukraine? For what last name should she purchase airfare? Thank you everyone!

My wife goes by one name in the US and by another name in Ukraine... Purchase tix in passport name. Carry passport, greencard and marriage certificate or document that makes the name change here in the USA when you travel.

When she enters Ukraine she simply gives them her passport... when she departs she will need passport, greencard and name change document. The border people at KBP and ODS appear to have no issues with this. They allowed my wife in/out without problem.

When arriving in the USA it is essentially the same drill, passport, greencard and name change.

We have had the same discussion. I also read that even if you marry in Ukraine and apply for a new passport with the changed name, there is a months long processing period, and she obviously can't leave during that time. I wonder if 1) it really is that big a hassle, and 2) if expedited processing is available for a fee (bribe)? Any thoughts?

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-02-06 13:22:00

QUOTE (pilot @ Oct 9 2008, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I know it's probably late, but rings (at least gold or white gold) will not set off metal detectors. I never take my ring off and I've been through countless airports in the US and abroad. Even going through the metal detector rings, I never take my rings off, just my watch.

What if you have the ring on a chain around your neck? Not sure if the wand picks it up, I don't think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What if you say it's a family heirloom that it belonged to your grandmother, or something, and you always wear it. I mean, I know it sounds stupid, but what can they do?! They can't tax you on something that comes in, but also will leave the country, it's a private possession...

Thanks, and I did talk with some one who did it that way. I made it through because of the VIP service at the airport.

Cheers

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-10-19 08:02:00

QUOTE (Ana&D @ Oct 5 2008, 05:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Glad to hear everything went so smoothly for you!!! Now all is left is having an outstanding time in Ukraine

We are working on it

Thanks again for the positive comments.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-10-07 03:06:00

Just adding some closure. I used the VIP pickup option and am staying at Odessa Executive Suites (an American owned company). I went through customs in 10 minutes with no questions about curency or jewelery. They even let my 4 liters of booze slide. Ah, what a small fee will do! The ring was in a felt bag on me. There was no wanding, and I didn't have to remove my jacket or belt to get through the metal detector. Everything is going well, and Vika says hi and thanks to all the folks at VJ who were helpful and supportive in the four months since I was here last.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-10-04 20:00:00

QUOTE (bgreed @ Sep 22 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Last time I went through Odessa (admitedly three years ago) There was no metal detector or wanding going on for those coming into the country. Heck they don't even have such things in Borisypol. The only thing they did was put my bags through an x-ray machine.

Now if it was me I would have the ring in my carry on and before disembarking the plane in Odessa put it in my pocket. and then follow the green line. If they ask you if you have anything to declare just say "no" I have never seen them pursue it further.

The reason they ask about womens jewlwery is because so many guys go to Odessa. On most flights I've been on there's more foreign guys than Ukrainian. So this why the customs guys/gals are looking for a shake down.

This is also a good reason to not try to bring western ideas of engagement with you it encourages problems.

I promise there are metal detectors and wands now. Also, I have seen them turn luggage inside-out when they suspect there is a buck to be made. Not mine, but I'm just saying. Also, I have witnessed a demand to "empty pockets please".

Although I met my SO here in the States, I do realize that there is a robust introduction business in Ukraine. I remember sitting in a cafe' at 6am (jet lagging), hearing English from 2 tables full of men from the UK and America. When I ask them what they were doing in Odessa - they were all on a tour. Now, I have chased business in Belarus, and traveled with a foundation in Romania and Bulgaria, as well as side trips to Latvia, Lithuania, etc. and was used to being one of the few Americans in the area wherever I went. I agree absolutely that the number of foreign men coming through the Odessa airport probably encourages some entrepenurial activity in customs.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-23 05:54:00

QUOTE (Ana&D @ Sep 23 2008, 05:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Maybe we just got lucky but several weeks ago when my fiance came through Boryspil there were no problems. He was not only brining my ring, but also a ton of gifts and even several packages in my name with stuff I've bought and had shipped to his US address. He said they asked nothing.

Also engagement ring is a western tradition, like many others it's finding it's way into Ukraine. You'll be surprised how many Ukrainian guys are proposing with a ring these days. Oh, the power of Hollywood

Thanks for the encouraging comments. I am amazed at the number of posters (all men) who keep telling me I should not have bought a ring, instead of offering advice about how to get it through customs. I mean, c'mon

How did your SO carry the ring through?

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-23 05:42:00

QUOTE (steelman400 @ Sep 16 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You are allowed a gift up to $400 each entry for gifts. If I remember correctly. I also do not know if this is total or per piece. I could be off on this. I just remember when I bought a sh#t load of cosmestics at duty free in Amsterdam. The customs at Boryspil tried to tax me on it. I refused to be taxed on it( I bought it at duty free) and told the nice Ukranian Customs Officer that I would destory it all and trash it. She eventually let me through. If I had taken the duty free bag and zipped it into my luggage instead of hand carrying it, I am sure that I would have saved about 15 minutes of my life. Greedy bastar#s. Just trying to keep the white man down. Never had a problem on the next 5 or 6 trips through Boryspil.

I also have been told that gold won't set off the walk through detector. Any thoughts? What about wanding?

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-22 12:08:00

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QUOTE (Six-Twelve @ Sep 14 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

You shouldn't have any problems with taxation, I carried my fiance's very Bling Bling ring through immigration both here in the US and Brazil and no questions were asked, not even when my carry on was X Ray'd did questions arise. So you'll be Ok

Be careful posting a "no problem" when giving advice in a region you are not familiar with just because you had no problem in Brazil. Different parts of the world and individual countries have there own laws and procedures.

The Ukrainian customs officers specifically ask about jewelery (women's jewelery) every time I go through - on the way in. I was told that if you "fess up" to having bling, they will assess a punitive "tax". I did have some one tell me that he carried a ring through on a chain around his neck. He didn't get wanded though. I have scheduled VIP airport pickup too. Not sure if that helps or not.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-16 13:21:00

QUOTE (bgreed @ Sep 13 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Uh you do realize that the whole ehgagement ring thing is a western idea right? And that engagement rings are not used or expected in Russia or Ukraine.

Yes, thanks.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-14 09:23:00

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QUOTE (nyhazmat @ Sep 6 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, when we go through Kiev they never even look at me, let alone say anything to me...I guess that I was lucky.

I get hassled every time. There must be a special note in the system somewhere.

Maybe you look so pretty....

Err.... Do you swing both ways dude? I only bat for the straight team. Or maybe you are blind

No, but I bet that middle aged man at the customs station was curious the last time you went through ....

OK, maybe just blind. What brings that issue to your mind, anyway? For an allegedly straight guy, you are taking quite an interest here.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-11 17:56:00

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Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-10 20:17:00

QUOTE (nyhazmat @ Sep 10 2008, 09:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Ah, some comments are better left alone...

And yet... you didn't. Good sport!!

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-10 20:13:00

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Wow, when we go through Kiev they never even look at me, let alone say anything to me...I guess that I was lucky.

I get hassled every time. There must be a special note in the system somewhere.

Maybe you look so pretty....

Err.... Do you swing both ways dude? I only bat for the straight team. Or maybe you are blind

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-10 20:00:00

QUOTE (nyhazmat @ Sep 6 2008, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Wow, when we go through Kiev they never even look at me, let alone say anything to me...I guess that I was lucky.

I get hassled every time. There must be a special note in the system somewhere.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-09 23:38:00

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What if I am bringing a ring to her, through customs? They ask about jewelery specificall every time in Odessa, and I have been told it is because they want to tax the s##t out of any jewelery you bring.

Last time through in July in Odessa I got asked nothing.... Each time before that I was asked about money/gifts & gold. Maybe that have changed there focus. This time through was the first time my luggage was loaded with gifts.... There loss....

They never seemed to care about alcohol or any other gifts, but they do ask every time about jewelery. I get hassled about money 50% of the time, but gift jewelery seems to be a constant point of interest.

My question is what happens if I disclose that I have a ring? What is the tax? My sense is it is probably as much as the entrepenurial customs agents can get. If I don't disclose it and they find it, what is it going to cost me?

If it is in your pocket or on a chain around your neck, unless they search your person....

Will set off a metal detector

Damm Vika is one lucky girl.....

Maybe - if I can fiure out a way to get the f%$#@ng thing into Ukraine. I dread the thought of negotiating the "fee" for it with customs.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-06 13:37:00

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If it is in your pocket or on a chain around your neck, unless they search your person....

Will set off a metal detector

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-06 13:30:00

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Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-06 12:51:00

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QUOTE (1HappyGuy @ Aug 26 2008, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Unless the ring looks like the Hope diamond you shouldn't have any problems. I don't think I have ever heard of the customs people bothering someone about their rings.

Good luck with the rest of your journey.

Don't worry about it. She is wearing the ring, correct? They won't ask anything about it. It would be regarded as personal jewelry.

Gary

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-09-06 06:05:00

QUOTE (payxibka @ Mar 2 2009, 12:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

All fine and good information. However, the OP is looking for Ukraine specific information and does not care about 90% of the rest of the world.

And in Ukraine many companies (including my fiance's) pay in cash specifically so that they can cook the books and avoid corporate tax. In addition, most taxes are supposedly paid out of the "salary" up front. I suspect that the tax clearance issue either doesn't apply to the average worker, or it is one of the many things that are called for legally, but the government ignores because chasing those few hrvna is too much trouble.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-05 09:58:00

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QUOTE (nyhazmat @ Feb 6 2009, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have a question about getting my wife signed off of her parents apartment. Basically removing her name from the apartment. Apparently it will save her parents some money on utilities. Has anyone done this? If so, what is the process? Thanks.

this is common situation as my wife has spoken about this several times, the process is all done locally and the parents should be able to find out quite easily from utility company and or friends and or neighbors

She will then give up her interest in the property, no? Viktoria's family is discouraging her from this so that she will have a direct interest in their flat someday.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-02-12 09:39:00

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My wife is currently going through a long and painful process with the "tax police" but it is more about getting out from under a periodic filing requirement pursuant to her previous business, than any kind of document (that she has never been asked for) to leave the country...

Just out of curiosity, what is the negative consequence if she doesn't clear it up?

I will be honest that I trulu do not know... I know she was worried about it because there are late filing penalties/fees if she does not do a timely filing. I know for the first year, she prepared in advance 4 "zero" sales filings and had her neighbor submit the forms. I don't know if she was afraid of a tax lien on the apartment? Don't know how the Ukraine system works. When we were there in July, she spent a week chasing agency to agency to agency, giving a power of attorney to someone, yada yada yada.... It is now 7 mos. later and we are almost there.... In this situation I just help, I don't ask. You can tell she is a Ukrainian woman... you just can't tell her much.

I hear that brother. Since Viktoria is newly returned, I still get it every day. Today she bought a plain white t-shirt at the mall for $18. When she seemed unhappy at the price, I tried to explain that there are places where you could get several plain white, women's Ts for that money. The response was that she wanted very particular things in this shirt that she took 30 minutes to find, and the other stores probably had nothing like it. Also, because I am a man, I just wouldn't understand.

Still wouldn't change a thing though. I just smile and STFU, or say "sure honey".

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-02-05 19:53:00

QUOTE (payxibka @ Feb 4 2009, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Just out of curiosity, what is the negative consequence if she doesn't clear it up?

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-02-05 02:55:00

To provide some closure here, we did travel back to the US without any Ukrainian tax documents or hassle whatsoever from the Ukrainian authorities. No mention of same at any stage of document assembly/collection. Hope our experience helps some one if the question comes up.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-01-28 04:21:00

Vika confirms that right up 'till the present moment, no one has mentioned any tax documents, or other issues relating to her being able to leave Ukraine.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-01-10 07:37:00

Good information Gary. Your case was the one I was thinking of - reading the OP.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-01-02 12:31:00

Congrats on the visa

Several members here have asked the question, and no one has ever been stopped (that I have read) for lack of tax documents. One poster's wife ran all over the place to get the document "just in case", and found that the officials at the airport didn't need it at all.

Try posting on The Kyiv Beat thread on the Eurasian Forum. Or a helpful mod could move it there.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2008-12-15 01:42:00

Travel for a visit to Ukraine while being permanent resident

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nyhazmat, Thank you very much for your reply! I guessed that this question could be asked before, but really, couldn't find it in a BUNCH of topics.. your example really helps, now i will sleep peacefully

I didn't worry that much about American custom, as about Ukrainian custom while leaving Ukraine.. they sometimes can do things you wouldn't expect in your nightmare.. So, thank you for sharing!
Brad and Vika, i really couldn't imagine why would i have to change passport, but sometimes bureaucracy steps in the way of best prepared things... let's hope we'll be lucky

Gary and Alla, i completely agree with your point of view, but mu husband really wanted me to have his name

Good point - I was just thinking about having a passport that was due to be renewed, and now having a different last name. Vika also says that changing her name to something obviously not Ukrainian will cause HUGE problems when she inherits property in Ukraine. I would be curious as to any one's direct knowledge of that.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-08 13:52:00

Travel for a visit to Ukraine while being permanent resident

I understand that it is a MAJOR hassle getting a passport changed to a married name. Vika will just keep hers in maiden name until she can get citizenship I think - mostly because of the hassle. So we will use this same procedure to travel.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-05 19:37:00

Passport question for Ukraine

QUOTE (Gary and Alla @ Mar 5 2009, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

QUOTE (Brad and Vika @ Mar 5 2009, 07:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Gary, will this procedure work for name changes too?

Good question Brad. I would presume yes. Alla did not change her name. But since it requires. basically, making a new passport and would see no reason why. Since my last post Alla has had some good contacts on this and they are telling her to allow a little more time than "advertised". That's OK as she will have more than a month to get it done. Here seems to be the problem. These new passport offices (at least the one in Donetsk Oblast) are only open Tuesday and Thursday for 4 hours each day, two in the morning, two in the afternoon. If you are still in line at 4pm..."See ya tomorrow" You know how that goes. The one ugly woman working there comes out in the hallway and barks at you in Russian "DOM MOOEY" (Go HOME!) and starts slamming doors and pushing people out of offices. So I guess she will be up bright and early. Also we have been advised to be prepared to embelish the fees in order to really get the passport when they say, even at the higher fee, oh now that's a shock, eh?

I am also trying to run down some information regarding absent parent letters, expirations dates (if any) for "permanent" letters, etc. and hope to report on that soon!

Say hello to Vika, tell her Alla was up there in Montreal again today stimulating the Canadian economy, I expect to see much improved economical numbers for Canada next month.

Vika laughed pretty hard about the Canadian Economic Stilulus Package you are sponsoring. She says she wants to discuss AOS procedures with Alla after the wedding this coming weekend too. She is afraid we will miss some detail, and is now worried about something to do with having fingerprints taken again (biometrics I think maybe). She read a post about some one who has fingers that won't print

Edited by Brad and Vika, 08 March 2009 - 01:57 PM.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-08 13:56:00

Passport question for Ukraine

Gary, will this procedure work for name changes too?

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-05 19:39:00

International Woman's Day

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My wife went to a restaurant with about 30 other Russian speaking women. Since it was kind of late in the day, I made my own dinner as did her son. When she got home we watched movies and drank wine. I didn't do anything special since I'm working six days a week now and she's not working at all. I think that qualifies already as doing something for her.

No doubt it does.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-09 22:11:00

International Woman's Day

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Lets hear it. I tried to pull out some stops, but I am always interested in hearing new ideas.

Nothing too fancy...

It is hard to do anything too special when we are still 5,000 miles apart... but I'm already looking forward to making next year's one she'll love!

You are absolutely right! I really went the extra mile this year, and Vika was very surprised. She said that guys in Ukraine often cook and do all the cleanup, go wherever their wife wants all day, etc. I did a decent job of that, and flowers, surprises, etc.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-09 20:04:00

International Woman's Day

Lets hear it. I tried to pull out some stops, but I am always interested in hearing new ideas.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-08 13:38:00

traveling after green card

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I am not sure this solution will work in Ukraine, necessarily. The support system works differently than in the US, and threatening the guy with that stuff might not provide much of a lever.

I am not a fan of "threats" at any time, let alone when there is more to gain by bartering and keeping things as neutral as possible, especially when the birth certificate is technically illegal and could land the OP and his new family in a world of legal pain.

The father has already stated disinterest in the child. In order to have sole legal custody, the OP needs the biological father to "sign off" on any parental rights. The easiest way to encourage this is by offering something in exchange. Who knows, maybe bio-dad would be happy to just sign the papers and be clear of any involvement at all. Without asking, nobody will ever know.

My point was that there isn't much muscle behind child support enforcement in Ukraine, so there wouldn't be much use in offering to not ask for him to take responsibility in return for signing off. Or, put another way, threatening to (possibly, maybe, some day) asking for support. If his name is not on the birth certificate anyway there is nothing to gain by engaging him at all IMHO, and there is a risk that once the genieis out of the bottle he will prevent the child from leaving for some reason (like spite).

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-18 20:01:00

traveling after green card

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QUOTE (djwalker60+Alina @ Mar 14 2009, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Gary and All;

I know i've written to some off line about this but my Fiancee has a 15 month old, the biological wants nothing to do with her or child since the day he found out she was having a baby. The US Embassy wants a letter for either missing parent, in this case the local govt will actually look for him and take a long time and she wants not to even talk with this person or else she feels that there will be a problem. Good point is that she made up the middle name and the last name on the birth certificate is hers. So the fathers name on the birth certificate is not a real person. According to the US Embassy In Kiev, they said all that they need is a "Thank you for your inquiry of March 10, 2009. The name of the document is "??????? ??? ??, ?? ?????? ?????? ????????? ?? ???? ??????". In English the document is called the way we wrote you in the previous emails.
If you have any other questions you can contact us via email."

then they said this

Thank you for your inquiry of March 10, 2009. This is the only document we require in this case.
We hope this information will be helpful.

Sincerely,
Public Liaison Unit
Consular Section
U.S. Embassy,
Kyiv, Ukraine

The other way is to get a Ukrainian court to give her sole custody and in this case I have no idea how that would work. We have many months to wait for the interview and that is why i had her start now on getting one of these two options.

It appears that we are not going to have any issues, but wanted to throw this out there in case anyone else has had a similar issue at the Kiev Embassy.

Thanks
Dan

I think in this situation, it would probably be better to approach the biological father and manoeuver him into signing away any parental rights, in exchange for not being pursued for any parental responsibilities (ie financial). If he hasn't seen the child and genuinely doesn't wish to have any relationship then this would stop a lot of worry further down the line.

You can dispute many things, but if he should pursue this later and a DNA test is ordered, it won't matter what names are on the birth certificate as the evidence isn't going to support any claim made.

It probably seems a difficult solution, but in the long run it's got to be worth a shot. I'd leave out anything about a relationship, immigration or otherwise. Quite simply, your fiancee just wants to take sole responsibility in a legal capacity.

Good luck

I am not sure this solution will work in Ukraine, necessarily. The support system works differently than in the US, and threatening the guy with that stuff might not provide much of a lever.

Brad and Vika

Male

Ukraine

2009-03-17 17:31:00