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IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresMedical experiance Knightsbridge London
My husbands experiance:

To ease the minds of those following... Finding Knightsbridge Doctors was pretty easy. I pre-booked my train through Raileasy (and saved a fortune!) and rode into Euston. Out of Euston, I turned right onto Euston Rd for Knightsbridge and literally just followed the main road. I had used AA Routefinder to gauge the distance to the Docs from Euston and it had stated 0.3 miles, which I figured was walkable in just a few minutes. Just the same, I wanted to find it first and THEN relax and enjoy a coffee! It's a good job I did...I walked for probably 35 minutes but found it quite easily. As I said, right out of the station and follow the main road until you spot some construction on the opposite side of the road. Cross over and go up Marylebone High St and just keep walking. Eventually, this merges into Thayer St. Bentinck St is just there on the left, you can't miss it. The docs is on the right, hiding in some flats behind a brown varnished door. You'll have to use the Door Buzzer thingy to get buzzed in. The main thing I found on this journey was that I walked quite a distance down Euston Rd, when all of the maps i've seen don't make it look that far!! Oh, and the Docs close for lunch between 1 and 2, but Coffee Republic does a mean Caramel Cappuchino! Into the Docs and the first thing they wanted was my passport, the completed medical questionnaire, my vaccination records, and one regular UK passport size picture (the sites say the US visa type, but this was not the case). I then took a seat (very comfy leather type) and waited for maybe 20 minutes while they processed my paperwork. I got my passport back and had to fill in another questionnaire almost identical to the one I had just given them. The only question I could find that seemed different was something along the lines of "Have you ever caused a death?". Fortunately, this is my year off from killing so I added "no" and then signed the HIV test disclaimer and handed it all back. Almost as soon as I sat down, I was called through for a painless and very quick chest X-ray. Then back to the waiting room. A couple of minutes later and I was in another room going through my vaccination history. Despite my best efforts and the advice of my own GP, I still needed to get an MMR shot, so I took it like a man and returned, with a free cotton ball, to the waiting room. Finally, I was called by a Doc into an examination room. She asked a few questions about my medical history that I had already written onto two questionnaires, then got me to remove my shoes and socks. I warned her about the walk from Euston but she insisted, so I took them off for a weigh in and measurement session. Then she showed me to a couch and asked me to get undressed and lie down. I wasn't THAT tired from the walk, but I did as I was told and she returned to check my ears, nose and throat and then prodded about to check my chest, stomach and 'manparts'. Then she stole some blood from me, took my blood pressure and then asked me to get dressed again. Once dressed, I had an eye test (I wear glasses for distance and she checked and got me to put them on). Finally, we sat and went through the paperwork, counter signed everything, and that was it. I left the room, and was directed to the desk to pay the fee for the exam and the MMR. The girl there said that the results would be sent to the Consulate in a few days and basically "no news is good news"...they would only call if there was a problem. An hour and a half from start to finish. And that was it. All in all, apart from the fee, fairly painless. Every single person in the place was helpful and friendly and I left feeling pretty good about the whole experience. All that was left was a phone call to my Wife, a leisurely walk back to the Station, and a pint in the Station Bar. Mr Branson's trains were running perfectly and I was home in time for tea. No complaints and, unless you're a mass murderer who can't lie, definitely nothing to worry about! Best fo Luck to all!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-13 13:37:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresCR-1 - I-130
QUOTE (Completely @ Oct 16 2008, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (jenn123 @ Oct 16 2008, 06:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Evidence of bonafide marriage – Affidavit of Witness

its is notarized by the public attorney?
how much we need to submit?

thank you!!!!



you only need a marriage certificate authenticated by Department of Foreign Affairs.. I dont know how it works in your country but this is the only thing you need and pictures of thge wedding.


If getting the affidavit notarized is not a big deal I suggest that you go ahead & do it. It just shows that the person writing the affidavit has been wittnessed as writing/signing it. Anyone can write a letter but taking that extra step makes it more of an official document. Those little things can make a big diffrence. Just my opinion.

Best wishes with your journey!!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-16 08:04:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresInterview Date!!!!
QUOTE (ThaiStyleUSA @ Oct 16 2008, 03:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Congrats and good luck the rest of the way. good.gif



CONGRATS on your interview!!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-16 15:12:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresHelp settle a dispute/bet
QUOTE (mikeleighb @ Oct 16 2008, 09:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the automated system says, "you're case was completed on..."
does this mean they sent your case to the consulate? i thought that is what happens as soon as your case is completed. my wife insists that i need to call and ask someone to find out.
the problem is that everytime i call, they say line is busy and hang up on me. it usually takes an hour to finally get to speak to someone.
can i assume our case was sent or will be shortly or should i call and find out the date it was or will be sent?
thanks!

Per our experiance...the case was noted complete and then within a few days of that it was forwarded to the embassy.

Good luck with the rest of your journey!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-16 10:02:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresOoh Yeah:0) Got Visa:0) Ooh Yeah :0) Got Visa
CONGRATS and best wishes for the rest of your journey!!!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-20 15:19:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Proceduresinterview
QUOTE (Completely @ Oct 16 2008, 08:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (mercyful @ Oct 14 2008, 04:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello
I am having CR-1 interview in coming month here in India. And my wife is with me who is USC.Is it good to have my wife during the interview time to have a better proof.

and the 2nd question is the airlines prices has gone up so much these days what do you think to buy air ticket before interview. is there any chance of denial of CR-1 visas??
thank you

your comments are highly appreciate


I brought my husband with me at the day of my interview, but when the officer called me in the window, I went to the window alone, and then later asked my husband if he was there with me.. The officer asked me to call him, and he talked to my husband and verified some of our documents..
The interview lasted for about 15-20 minutes i think.. and we got approved.. i will suggest to bring your wife, but every embassy has different procedure, it wont hurt if you will try.

Do not buy now. You have to wait until you got approved, because after the interview, you will still need to medical and such.. so it will take a while..



Good Luck on your interview!!

I wish that I could be with my husband for our interview next week but they do not allow anyone in the London embassy but the person being interview. (with the exception of the person being under 18 or needing translation)

Best Wishes!!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-16 07:56:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Proceduresis there something else you have to pay at the embassy?
QUOTE (Oddo @ Oct 27 2008, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Once again, do you have to pay for the fingerprinting at the embassy, or is that already paid with the visa fee? if not how much is it?

Once again my friends, Thanks.



We did a IR1/CR1 visa and did not have to pay anything further for the visa process. The only thing that my husband had to pay for at the time of his interview was for the courier fee to send his visa to him.

Best of Luck!!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-27 19:55:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresVISA approved this morning
My husband received his visa this morning. How cool is it that he just interviewed yesterday morning and the courier delivered his visa the very next morning!! kicking.gif

I have to say that after how crazy & LONG this process has been for us that the end result is awesome.
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-23 06:55:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresVISA approved this morning
Thank you to everyone for all of the kind words!!

We are both so happy...a little tired since neither one of us slept well last night but VERY happy!!

Wishes for a speedy journey to all!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-22 10:25:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresVISA approved this morning
My husband completed his interview this morning in London. All went well! His appointment was at 8:00 a.m. He went in took a ticket and waited to be called to the first window. The person reviewed our paperwork and took his finger prints. That part only took about ten minutes and the person asked him to have a seat and wait to be called again. When he was called again for the interview it only took about 10-15 minutes. He was asked only four questions and the interviewer did not look at the evidence that we had pulled together. He then said you are approved and sent him to pay for the courier. The line to pay for the courier took about as long as the other two pieces together. ohmy.gif) Everyone was nice and he was in and out of the embassy in about an hour and a half. Questions asked:How did you meet?How many times have you been to the US and longest stay?How many times has your wife been to England?What do you for a living. All in all we are thrilled to have all of this over with so that we can be together like other married couples!! It has been a long journey.

Best of luck to all of you! Your day will come!!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-22 08:36:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresInterview Date!!
CONGRATS and best wishes on a speedy journey!!
KYladyFemaleUnited Kingdom2008-10-14 21:16:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresNOA1 to NOA2 Timeline
Could you add us to your timeline too?

Thanks!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-04-17 18:52:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresMarch 2008 I-130 Filers?
We got transferred to CSC Nov 5. I am hearing this is a very good thing!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-11-12 19:31:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresMarch 2008 I-130 Filers?
QUOTE (lilykouki @ Apr 5 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can we be added to the list too?

-We sent off the I-130 paperwork on March 25

-Received by the USCIS Chicago lockbox on March 28

-Received the I0787C Notice of Action today, April 5.

It did freak me out a little to read the paper they sent... in one place it states:

"If this case in an I-130 Petition....To best allocate resources, USCIS may wait to process forms I-130 until closer to the time when a visa number will become available, which may be years after the petition was filed."

What is that supposed to mean?

Anyway, I'm glad we're on our way!

Thanks!



forgot to add... I guess our files are being sent to the Vermont Service Center (it's the address at the bottom of the sheet)
thanks!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-04-05 14:55:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresMarch 2008 I-130 Filers?
Can we be added to the list too?

-We sent off the I-130 paperwork on March 25

-Received by the USCIS Chicago lockbox on March 28

-Received the I0787C Notice of Action today, April 5.

It did freak me out a little to read the paper they sent... in one place it states:

"If this case in an I-130 Petition....To best allocate resources, USCIS may wait to process forms I-130 until closer to the time when a visa number will become available, which may be years after the petition was filed."

What is that supposed to mean?

Anyway, I'm glad we're on our way!

Thanks!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-04-05 14:41:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresTransferred to CSC
We also got moved to CSC. Nov 5 is the date. I'm having a glass of wine and a nice Skype with my husband!

Congrats to you! dancin5hr.gif
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-11-12 19:45:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresMarch 2008 VSC filer ---> transferred to CSC Nov 5
I got transferred, also. The date is Nov. 5. Hopefully, we will all see approvals soon. good.gif
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-11-12 20:10:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswho is left out?
Just got transferred!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-11-12 19:14:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresTracking Sheet(approvals after transfer to CSC)
Approved 12-5-08.... received approval notice in the mail 12-16-08
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-12-16 21:06:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresAPPROVED! CHA CHING!
Gawd... what to do next?! biggrin.gif I just called my husband and of course he is thrilled! He said it was a nice Christmas gift from the US government! I'm so excited I don't know what to do with myself!

One thing I have to do is call them though, because my husband's address in Canada has changed since we filed. I already called them about when he moved months ago and they said to wait until we got approval and then call. I HOPE they know what they are talking about!


I wonder how long it will be until we finally get the green card?! Sorry... I'm babbling now!

Good luck to all of you waiting for approval too!

lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-12-16 20:35:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresDecember 15 onward...
I just got my approval in the mail today. Hang in there for those that are still waiting... I never received a touch that I know of. I just got transferred to CA so I guess that sped it up. I signed up for emails on the govt site and I never received an email at all... weird...


lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-12-16 23:21:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresI-130 FINALLY APPROVED
Wooo Hoooo! Congratulations!!! kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif kicking.gif
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-12-16 20:55:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresNOA1/NOA2 spreadsheet tracking
We just got notice of transfer to CSC. Nov 5. kicking.gif
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2008-11-12 19:27:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresI-864EZ
Thank you! I couldn't find anything about the EZ on VJ!

I will attach the IRS transcripts and employment letter and pay stubs also!

Thank you!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2009-02-05 21:46:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresI-864EZ
I can't find anything on the forums using a search... sorry if I'm not looking in the right place...

It looks like I can use it according to the checks on the instruction sheet. If I do use this do I not need to include my employment letter, pay stubs for the last 6 months, etc (I have them anyway)...

Anyone can advise???

Thanks!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2009-02-05 20:36:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresThe Journey is OVER!!
QUOTE (MS3 @ Feb 5 2009, 11:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi everybody smile.gif

My wife had her interview in Amman, Jordan 2-2-09, and the interview went great, they only asked her 2 questions, how did u meet your husband? how did ur husband get his american citizenship?, then he told her congratulation! and you will have your visa within 5 days! she paid 5 JDs for Aramex and left the embassy, After 2 days she recieved her passport back with visa and file on 2-4-09 in the Aramex office in amman

Its all over smile.gif I am so happy, my wife will be here on 2-13-09

Thank you all on this website, I used it throughout my journey!

Mohammed



Woo Hoo! Congratulations!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2009-02-05 22:13:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedurestranscripts and tax returns.... I-864
Thank you both very much!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2009-02-14 10:44:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedurestranscripts and tax returns.... I-864
I have already done my taxes for 2008 and I have copies of that tax return. Do I make copies of the tax return? Or copies of my W-2 for 2008? I have transcripts for the previous years to send.... Does anyone have any ideas about this one?

Thanks!
lilykoukiFemaleCanada2009-02-14 10:32:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresHubbie has interview in three weeks
My fiance's interview is on the 15th of September! we are soo nervous. He was initially given an appointment on the 12th of august, but when I mailed him the affedavit of support never received it. so what he did, is wrote a letter to the embassy and asked for a new appointment (15 sep) and it was granted. Now he has everything. ( US EMBASSSY LONDON).

Any advice? hints or tips would be highly appreciated
thebigyardFemaleMorocco2008-09-05 08:57:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresVISA ARRIVES TOMORROW
congratulations!! how did u find out? my fiance's passport got picked up yesterday!!
thebigyardFemaleMorocco2008-10-03 08:17:00
Middle East and North Africaadvice and help
QUOTE (Ganja_Girl @ May 26 2009, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First off you are not dealing with a normal human you are dealing with a sociopath. Sociopaths are people without a conscience, they don’t have normal empathy the rest of us take for granted. They don’t feel affection, they don’t care about others. They are good observers, and they have learned how to mimic feelings of affection and empathy remarkable well.
Most people with a conscience find it very difficult to even imagine what it would be like to be without one. Combine this with a sociopath’s efforts to blend in, and the result is that most sociopaths go undetected. As far as taking the upper hand, REMEMBER HE IS NOT ON THE SAME PAGE AS THE REST OF US, what you perceive as love he sees as a weakness.
Usually they go undetected, they wreak havoc on their family; on people they work with and on anyone who tries to be their friend. A sociopath deceives, takes what he wants, and hurts people without any remorse. SOCIOPATHS DON’T FEEL GUILTY. They don’t feel sorry for what they’ve done. They go through life taking what they want and giving nothing back. They manipulate and deceive and convincingly lie without the slightest second thought. They leave a path of confusion and upset in their wake.
We know in the field that sociopath’s brains function differently than normal people. Their brains function in a way that makes their emotional life redeemable shallow. Yet they are capable of mimicking emotions like professional actors. In my field we classify them as antisocial personality disorder. Sociopaths don't have normal affection with other people. They don't feel attached to others. They don't feel love. And that is why they don't have a conscience.
If you harmed someone, even someone you didn't know, you would feel guilt and remorse. Why? Because you have a natural affinity for other human beings. You know how it feels to suffer, to fear, to feel anguish. You care about others.
If you hurt someone you love, the guilt and remorse would be very bad because of your affection for him or her. Take that attachment and affection away and you take away remorse, guilt, and any kind of normal feelings of fairness. That's a sociopath.
So just keep safe and I would scrap taking the high road, you are not dealing with someone who would know fair and just, you are dealing with a predator.
The big question is, of course, how can you know whether someone is a sociopath or not? It is a difficult question and even experts on the subject can be fooled. If you suspect that someone close to you is a sociopath, compare that person to the other people in your life.
Ask yourself these questions:

1. Do you often feel used by the person?
2. Have you often felt that he doesn't care about you?
3. Does he lie and deceive you?
4. Does he tend to make contradictory statements?
5. Does he tend to take from you and not give back much?
6. Does he often appeal to pity? Does he seem to try to make you feel sorry for him?
7. Does he try to make you feel guilty?
8. Do you sometimes feel he is taking advantage of your good nature?
9. Does he seem easily bored and need constant stimulation?
10. Does he use a lot of flattery? Does he interact with you in a way that makes you feel flattered even if he says nothing overtly complimentary?
11. Does he make you feel worried? Does he do it obviously or more cleverly and sneakily?
12. Does he give you the impression you owe him?
13. Does he chronically fail to take responsibility for harming others? Does he blame everyone and everything but himself?
And does he do these things far more than the other people in your life? If you answered "yes" to many of these, you may be dealing with a sociopath. For sure you're dealing with someone who isn't good for you, whatever you want to call him.

"If ... you find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people, and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to one hundred percent that you are dealing with a sociopath."
What he wants is chilling he wants to win,, take away the love and relationship and all you have left is winning the game, whatever the game is. A sociopath's goal is to win. And he is willing to do anything at all to win.
Sociopaths have nothing else to think about, so they can be very clever and conniving. Sociopaths are not busy being concerned with relationships or moral dilemmas or conflicting feelings, so they have much more time to think about clever ways to gain your trust and stab you in the back, and how do it without anyone knowing what's happening.
Boredom is a constant problem for sociopaths and they have an incessant urge to keep up a level of stimulation, even negative stimulation (drama, worry, upset, etc.).

And here I might mention that the research shows sociopaths don't feel emotions the same way normal people do. For example, they don't experience fear as unpleasant. This goes a long way to explaining the inexplicable behavior you'll see in sociopaths. Some feelings that you and I might find intolerable might not bother them at all.
There is no known cure or therapy for sociopathy. In fact, some evidence suggests that therapy makes them worse because they use it to learn more about human vulnerabilities they can then exploit. They learn how to manipulate better and they learn better excuses that others will believe.
Given all that, there is only one solution for dealing with a sociopath: Get him or her completely out of your life for good. This seems radical, and of course, you want to be fairly sure your diagnosis is correct, but you need to protect yourself from the drain on your time, attention, money, and good attitude. Healing or helping a sociopath is a pointless waste of your life. That is not your mission. It's not your responsibility. You have your own goals and your own life, and those are your responsibility.
Get him out now sweetie, and screw his feelings, because really, he doesn’t have any.


Very interesting. Are there shades of grey to this disorder? It looks to me like these folks are all around us - but in differing degrees.
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2009-06-08 11:37:00
Middle East and North Africaadvice and help
QUOTE (charles! @ May 27 2009, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (askfruitcakelady @ May 27 2009, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I come in here on occasion , and its the same wretched story(ies) with no resolve.Dont see many the wives disrespecting the husband family or crying thier personals over in the desi threads. So i head back there. But hey thanks for trying to live in my head and deciphering what it is Im doing. i see the fingers of run the mouth are all pointing back to you Nag the Shah.

cindi, give it a rest. you're not earning any status points by posts like this and the previous.

yes.gif
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2009-05-28 04:15:00
Middle East and North Africaadvice and help
QUOTE (askfruitcakelady @ May 27 2009, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
place to vent, ok well then dont deny me my freedom of speech godzilla.

you are enabling her wityh your there theres, she cont to play victim and poor why me.

Most of us over age thirty have had MAJOR losses in our life. If not, then what a shallow life. Because how then do we rise above it, learn and grow.

Sink or swim.

She is downing a basically happy usually jovial.MARRIAGE based forum board with her major situational depression. She Put this guy on the pedastal like GOd and we all know there is only GOd. Husband should be a compliment and companion to life. Or no go. sooner or latere we die and leave each other. As do the kids who grow up and apart from us move on with thier own.

She is covertly bashing and letting people like shooter basically discriminate against your type of men. I see you are not getting it.

she need to take her horse and pony show down the road, but hey cant really tell her to Shut up, FIrst amendment and all. bleh


headbonk.gif Why not let her vent? What is the harm?
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2009-05-27 17:41:00
Middle East and North Africaadvice and help
QUOTE (Nagishkaw @ May 26 2009, 11:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There may be Legal Aid where you live. If not, contact the State Bar Association and ask them if there is any way for you to get cheap if not free legal help.
I assume you have documented everything. You can get the records from the Counselor you both were seeing, for starts.
If you find an attorney who will take on your case, file for divorce and get a PPO in motion ASAP. Since you have not been married a long time, he may not be entitled to much of your assets. Maybe you could just pay him off by offering him a grand or two, but this is something the attorney and you might want to discuss.


Sorry to hear of your troubles. Nagi is spot on here. Legal Aid is a way to get representation if you cannot pay. Being a foodstamp recipient is strong proof of need. I don't know how you will get around support issues, but again, your economic situation and child make for a pretty strong case.

Unfortunately there is no easy path here. There are several awful options, and you must choose one. Believe me, you cannot avoid hurting some one's feelings - but you have to believe you will be a better parent if you are happy.
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2009-05-27 14:54:00
Middle East and North AfricaI lost my husband today
I am sorry for your loss. My sympathy rose.gif
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2008-07-27 17:42:00
Middle East and North Africahave to complain

Well I think both sides are in the wrong in a way...

The father should not let/force his daughter to wear the hijab that early.. It should only happen when SHE CHOOSES to and when she reaches the age of puberty! I know certain cases of girls who wore (were forced to wear) the hijab very early and ended up hating it and feeling forced to do it cause it never came by choice.

The teacher HAS TO get back to the parents before she lets the girl take her scarf off. It should not be her call to tell the child what to do. And her behavior of letting the girl hide behind her until she wears the scarf before the father sees her is totally wrong...simply because it teaches the little girl double-standards... However, I totally sympathize with her point of view..the girl should live as a CHILD not as a grown-up... Hijab is a religious duty and responsibility after all.

The father's logic of letting the girl wear the hijab that early purely comes out of culture and has nothing to do with Islam. The rules are clear about when and how a WOMAN should wear the hijab.

I've been wearing the hijab for 8 years myself and it was totally my choice to wear it, I was never forced to do it.

I remember begging my mom in my first grade to wear it to school even for once, she refused strongly and then one day she let me wear it just to try.. I took it off at the middle of the day cause I changed my mind and wanted to have a hair-do! When I came back home that day she laughed and said "I knew you would do that, that's why I say it's not the right time to wear it yet."... Now that we have a 6-year old girl that keeps asking to wear the headscarf 'like mommy', I say the same thing..."It's not the right time to wear it yet...when you are a grown-up, and if you CHOOSE to wear it, you will wear it."

Aya


Wow. Speaking as a USC man who knows nothing about Islam, and very little about teaching young kids, I think this all well said. Thanks for the explanation and easy to understand example.
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2010-05-02 08:36:00
Middle East and North AfricaFavorite dish from SO's country
My tastes are pretty pedestrian. My fav is probably Galupsie (plain old pigs-in-a-blanket :lol: ). And Samogon - Ukrainian white lightnin'. Not necessarily at the same time. Sorry, no pictures.
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2010-05-18 21:00:00
Middle East and North AfricaHow is your Arabic?
Post containing or quoting foul language removed.

Edited to say that I think the words may have been used to illustrate a good point about rude comments among people who don't speak a particular language. Nevertheless, please tone it down - as some members find the terms offensive.

Thanks

Edited by Brad and Vika, 12 September 2010 - 10:11 AM.

Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2010-09-12 10:08:00
Middle East and North AfricaMENA Relationships Poll
Charles, are you SURE Nessa is not a MENA bride :lol: ? Moving to the MENA, oh so MENA forum, just because you said not to....
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2011-03-23 19:29:00
Middle East and North AfricaSo what happens to couples who don't get the visa???
Personal attacks and baiting are violations of the VJ TOS. I have removed one post containing an attack. Further baiting or attacks will result in administrative action.
Brad and VikaMaleUkraine2011-12-07 14:02:00