Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
Asia: East and Pacific	rebsumission of evidence blue slip	I think what everyone on visa journey needs to do is once they get the pink if they recieved the blue requesting a timeline we should write to our senators and congressmen. If enough people all stick together and do this and allow the use pof their names eventually spomething might get done. But if we just do what they say then nothing will get done. I would not reccomend calling or emailing anyone until you get the pink just to make sure there is no retaliation, but we should all pass the word and maybe the co's will take notice if we all stand up against them and complain. I think we should all try this and all do it then something good might come from this to future petitioners!!	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-10 23:33:00
Asia: East and Pacific	rebsumission of evidence blue slip	Everyones cases are different. All we can do is hope and pray for one another and give them support. I am sure it will all work out for you, and if you have the same feelings as I do for my fiancee then you will be together no matter what. We have already talked about the visa and if we do not get the pink we will keep trying, but if all fails to get her to america, I have no problems moving to Vietnam. Binh is my life and I know no matter where, we will be together. Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-09 00:42:00
Asia: East and Pacific	rebsumission of evidence blue slip	QUOTE (Huong and Phung @ Aug 8 2009, 08:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess i'll be there to turn in our proof too. At least being there with my wife will help her to relax a little. Might do the Notarize there at the Consulate too. Hopefully they get our date straighten out so we stop worrying. We wish you the best of luck. It just sucks that I can not be here on the 20th of august for the follow up, but no job no visa. I am sure that things will work out for you. Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-08 20:00:00
Asia: East and Pacific	rebsumission of evidence blue slip	Thanks for the advice. When I made the timeline, it was notorized on the 27th of July and I put in the timeline August 1st. I plan to travel to Vietnam, to personally deliver the requested information on my ex wife and on the timeline on Monday August 3rd When we showed up on the 3rd of August I was going to go ahead and have the consulate notorize the timeline as well for more proof that I did in fact some back to HCMC but we showed up to late in the day to have them notorize the document so Binh went ahead and submitted the document early as we indicated in the timeline we would. I also made 2 copies of all the documents I brought and had the copies also notorized so that if they "lost" them that on the 20th my fiancee would have notorized copies that she would also bring to the embassy. Thanks again for the replies. 'Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-08 19:51:00
Asia: East and Pacific	rebsumission of evidence blue slip	I was wanting to know that if you resubmit earlier than the day that they require will they look at it sooner? I am leaving Vietnam at 6 am on the 10th of august for home. When my fiancee went to the consulate the lady said because we filed early that they would simply call us on the 20th of August or if my fiancee wanted to that she cpould come back on that day. My fiancee is going to go there on the day and be there on time with all of our evidence we have, but I am wanting to know if they will review it early or if they are planning on waiting until the day? Also is there anything we can do about all the blue slips?? They keep requiring things that are not on the lists for k1 visa applications. If they need the timeline why do they not tell people this ahead of time?? Thanks Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-08 19:17:00
Asia: East and Pacific	resumition doc	Hello Jerome any way would like you look at the case Ituan he was turn his doc early the day ,they required but they not look at and told him come the same day in doc required so up to you i no comment and best wish you guy the best, i was unhappy about that too many people got bue sh I don't know what i say and wait how your case on John [/quote] Hello John, I know each case is different and all we have is opnions. I just try to remember that and everything else seems to be easier to understand and to take in. No matter what you say or what I say people will do what they choose. What might work for me may not work for you and so on and so on. I hope that you can soon get the pink. It seems to me that you do care for your fiancee and that is what we are all working for. We need the pinks not the blues, we all need to just stick it out to the end and eventually we will all be happy, here or there it does not matter just as long as we are happy! Good luck to all! Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-18 15:19:00
Asia: East and Pacific	resumition doc	John, I want to disagree with you. When you go to submit early the person taking them will check to make sure you have what you need. Yes you are correct if you need to make changes it will delay the process, but.... If you wait until the day they request it then they might give you another blue slip so that they can look over the new paperwork you sent in. I have heard many people say they got a second blue slip and it just said they need time to look over the new evidence and that they will call or notify you when they make a decision and you are to simply just wait for them to contact you. I will tell everyone to make sure they have what they need, and to submit it early. They will not give you the visa early, but you can rest easy knowing that you already have turned it in. I also would say to have 2 copies both notorized and both must be EXACTLY THE SAME, have the person going back on the day they want the evidence there with the second set this is just to make sure that if it were to be miss placed you will still have the info to turn in on the day. Also it shows that you are prepared and that you are determined to get what you need/want. Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-17 18:22:00
Asia: East and Pacific	resumition doc	QUOTE (Kevin&Loan @ Aug 14 2009, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Anh John, This is just a small suggestion and I hope you do not take it personal. Please slow down and proof-read your messages before you post. I had to read your messages a few times over before I get to understand it thoroughly. Kevin I agree. Binh. I was wondering if John met the CO and talked to him/her about his case?	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-14 21:03:00
Asia: East and Pacific	resumition doc	QUOTE (Lý Trinh @ Aug 13 2009, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It doesn't matter you submit early or on the day of the blue sheet post. If you have everything before the date you can submit early .. It is true! As long as you resubmitted everything requested...Binh.	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-14 05:44:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Vietnamese-language documents for Vietnam	QUOTE (Anh map @ Aug 18 2009, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just the official documents (birth cert, divorce decree, etc.) not letters and chat between the two of you. Anh Map is correct, only the official documents need to be translated. But if you front load your packet when you file I would have everything you submit translated Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-18 15:25:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Update sumit doc	Good luck John, Just keep your head up, you will be together soon! Jerome QUOTE (lindal24 @ Aug 8 2009, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (johncali9 @ Aug 8 2009, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> hey linda24 i spoken with my congressman help and he will lookinto the my case John Yea, I contacted mine as soon as my husband got the first blue slip...I don't think the second one is any reason for alarm though, it's just so they can buy more time and process the file. I'm just anxious to get results though so I can figure out what to do next...like if I need to bring anything with me when I go back. ...sometimes I just wished they'd "witness" our bona fide relationship for themselves instead of relying strictly on paperwork...--I'd have no problems...haha... Hahahaha, I am sure most of us would not have any problems letting them witness a bona fide relationship!!	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-18 15:48:00
Asia: East and Pacific	First Interview Got Blue Slip and Second Time Submit Paper Got A Second Blue Slip	QUOTE (Lý Trinh @ Aug 7 2009, 10:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is JohnCali9 Wife second blue slip ... Hi Ly, Our blue is the same with yours.	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 04:53:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Tornado's Blow!!!	At least all is well for you. Dont scare the misses to much though! If she sees all the destruction she might get scared.	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-17 16:09:00
Asia: East and Pacific	My fiancee had her interview at HCMC on August 19th	Congrats!!!!!!!!!! We are both very happy for you!!!! Good luck and best wishes in your life together!! Jerome and Binh	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 17:08:00
Asia: East and Pacific	ND blue slip Can we do anything?	QUOTE (Huong and Phung @ Aug 21 2009, 03:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It's so sad seeing all these blue slip that happened on July & August. I think if we have a good case and require more time for them to look at all the evidence that we turn in, they will take time and look at it. To cover them and our paranoid mind, they need to give you something and it is the green slip. I guess they all just process of how they work. My wife and I are being positive as we telling each other that if they need something then we prepare the best we can and give them all we got. If all else fail, we still have each other. I don't mind visiting my wife every 3 months. Eventhough living away from my wife 1 day is a year of prison to me. If you already submit everything you've got and that's the best you can do, then you should feel confident about it. Hope you make copies of all documents being submitted and third round could be an attorney and they might want to see your documents. That's what our plan is and I will be with my wife in less than 1 week. YAAAHHOOOOO!!!! Be happy and enjoy the moment. I wish you the best. I know that this is a public website and I should not rant and rave about the Co, but heck they are going to do what they want to do no matter what. We have already come to the assumption if they will give us the pink after further review GREAT, if not it is not the end of the world. I am going to school to be a teacher, so quite honestly either way with us is fine. We hope for the pink so that she can be with me here sooner of course, but I know in my heart that I am more than willing to live in Vietnam to be with her. I have 3 years of school, and in 3 years my house is paid off. I can rent it out and then go teach in HCMC and we will be together, eventually buy a house there and either sell the house in the US or just keep it for a renter. I know I love her and she loves me. We both have our plans and we have always planned on retiring in Vietnam, if they do not give us a pink then we will just have to speed up our plans. Either way we both know we will be together. But we truly do wish everyone luck and just be like us, hope for the best and if the best is not what you get, keep smiling and look at the bigger picture. THE SUN WILL COME OUT TOMORROW!!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 15:55:00
Asia: East and Pacific	ND blue slip Can we do anything?	QUOTE (Anh map @ Aug 20 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Aug 20 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!! Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC? She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are a. Must be a total mental handi cap b. must be a total A hole c. Must have absolutely no common sense d. must not have a I.Q. over 2 You have a short timeline relationship. You made 1 trip to VN before petitioning. It raises flags. Flags bring frustration and extra work to overcome. You've submitted the requested evidence, now is the waiting while it is reviewed. Stay positive. I went to Vietnam once before the Interview, but I did go back before the submission date. The reason I could not go back was work related. I did submit a email from work saying that I could not use my vacation any time soon. But I have had 2 trips there. I understand their worries about one person having one trip, but as I have said in the past not everyone is independently wealthy. I have a job that pays 45k and with the current economy it is hard to find such a job and without a job, you will not get the visa. So one trip is what most people can get. When I went back I did risk my job, but I told them that she needed me and she was what is important. I am still feeling the back lash from that trip, but it was worth it to be in her arms for another week. Here is out second blue slip Attached Files  immi___Copy.jpg   481.66KB   18 downloads	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 05:20:00
Asia: East and Pacific	ND blue slip Can we do anything?	QUOTE (Anh map @ Aug 20 2009, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 08:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Aug 20 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!! Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC? She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are a. Must be a total mental handi cap b. must be a total A hole c. Must have absolutely no common sense d. must not have a I.Q. over 2 You have a short timeline relationship. You made 1 trip to VN before petitioning. It raises flags. Flags bring frustration and extra work to overcome. You've submitted the requested evidence, now is the waiting while it is reviewed. Stay positive. I had chatted with people with lots of trips when I was at the Consulate but they still got blue(s). I do not really understand. Binh.	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 04:50:00
Asia: East and Pacific	ND blue slip Can we do anything?	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Aug 20 2009, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!! Oh well.. then that will be a pain in the butt for me since my first wife is in Prison now and if I remember another often seen VN VJer has an ex in the pokey... I dont see how they could hold that against us...they are the F-ups and thats why we are not with them... did your first wife come over as a K-1? or was she a USC? She was a USC. We have been divorced since 2006, and I did not even meet Binh until 2008. I know they cant seem to understand things. I think the minimum requirements to be a co in HCMC are a. Must be a total mental handi cap b. must be a total A hole c. Must have absolutely no common sense d. must not have a I.Q. over 2	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-20 19:53:00
Asia: East and Pacific	ND blue slip Can we do anything?	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Aug 20 2009, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Haole @ Aug 20 2009, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I contacted my senator who found out exactly why they put my fiancee on AR. That's about all they can do. They did tell me what I had to send to the embassy to try and get approval. That wasn't HCMC though... I'm not sure if that would be the same in HCMC... I suspect most of the folks getting 2 blues are sitting in a queue awaiting a fraud investigators review of the case... If the CO isn't 100 % comfortable after the first blue slip they pass the buck off to the fraud invstigator to have the liability of the decision in their lap not the CO, else they have a pink at the second visit. The good thing is that they didn't deny and send back to USCIS.. if at this point they gave a blue slip saying that there was nothing additional needed.. I would have a serious problem if there was in fact something at that point that I could submit to get it approved that they did not notify me of... It will be interesting to see if John has any results from his letter to his Congressman... They noted that they would have a rsponse for him... what quality of a response is yet to be seen. Yeah, I know it is better than a denial, but my god, if I was worried about fraud, I would not suspect a teacher that has been teaching at the same school for 6 straight years now, not to mention that I have been with my same company since 2001. I think the Co did not like the fact that my ex wife was in prison. Binh said she saw a pink slip during the interview but when they asked about my ex wife his expression changed. Who knows, I just want to ge with her ffs!!!	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-20 17:41:00
Asia: East and Pacific	ND blue slip Can we do anything?	This is out 2nd blue slip the 2 got deleted	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-20 13:02:00
Asia: East and Pacific	ND blue slip Can we do anything?	I am sure this question has been raised before, and certain it will be brought up in the future as well. Is there anything we can do about a ND blue slip just telling us to wait for them to review the petition?? I hate to just sit and wait. I want to know if there is anyone we can talk to, or anything along these lines. I have already emailed them, and got the automated response back. Should I email them weekly? Would now be a good time to call my senator? Call the US consulate? I do not want to step on toes yet and frustrate people that have the power over my future, but as I said I do not want to lay down and take it up the rear either. I know that even if they deny our petition we have talked about me moving there. All that really matters to me is to be with Binh. I want no more and will accept no less. Any advice would be appreciated. Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-20 12:23:00
Asia: East and Pacific	second trip to the consulate Wish us luck!!	Here is the second blue slip Attached Files  immi___Copy.jpg   481.66KB   14 downloads	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 05:23:00
Asia: East and Pacific	second trip to the consulate Wish us luck!!	QUOTE (Lý Trinh @ Aug 20 2009, 06:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey jeromebinh, can you post your second blue slip so everybody can see your blue slip ... I am going to US Consulate tomorrow to see my review tomorrow ... thanks QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Second blue slip, no need to submit more evidence they wll notify us when they make their decision. The second blue one is the same as Lindal24 and John's second blue. Binh.	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 04:19:00
Asia: East and Pacific	second trip to the consulate Wish us luck!!	QUOTE (johncali9 @ Aug 21 2009, 03:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Aug 20 2009, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> not forgetting you guys.. I think there may be more... Jim and Han have been missing since July day before interview.. there are many others that interview last month and no word of what happen... just think so many more go through the same thing that are not on VJ hey you guy, in HCMC 95 percent fail ,friend of mine fail he told me about his group 120 people have bue slip only 5 people pink and 40 people white slip that he say i call him ,hey what the hell is that ,what is wrong mens i was cried with thattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt john I was at the Consulate for almost 4 hours and I saw lots lots of second blue slips. A tons of second blue slips that evrybody just shook their heads. Binh.	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 04:15:00
Asia: East and Pacific	second trip to the consulate Wish us luck!!	QUOTE (johncali9 @ Aug 20 2009, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Aug 20 2009, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (johncali9 @ Aug 20 2009, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 03:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Second blue slip, no need to submit more evidence they wll notify us when they make their decision. Hello friend Oh god,what is wrong the system US @ VN John It sounds like same situation as you John... I think Blue look exactly same.. we will know when Binh scans it.. Dear Scott anh Danlegg anh loi anhmap and to all I don't thing the US system right@hcmc since I see 99 percent people fail I just spoken with my senator and congressman help me on it but I do not think so can work it So this time so hard ,I was ask"why" they do not know sorry all I was sad they were not care you move live Vietnan John If they tell me that then I will move to vietnam fook them all!! I just want to be with Binh!!!	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-20 17:48:00
Asia: East and Pacific	second trip to the consulate Wish us luck!!	QUOTE (Lý Trinh @ Aug 20 2009, 06:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hey jeromebinh, can you post your second blue slip so everybody can see your blue slip ... I am going to US Consulate tomorrow to see my review tomorrow ... thanks QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 20 2009, 06:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Second blue slip, no need to submit more evidence they wll notify us when they make their decision. Good luck tomorrow. I asked Binh to make a copy of it and post it here. Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-20 05:56:00
Asia: East and Pacific	second trip to the consulate Wish us luck!!	Second blue slip, no need to submit more evidence they wll notify us when they make their decision.	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-20 05:06:00
Asia: East and Pacific	second trip to the consulate Wish us luck!!	Thanks guys and good luck to you all and congratulations as well. I know I will not be going to bed early tonight!	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-19 16:15:00
Asia: East and Pacific	second trip to the consulate Wish us luck!!	Well hopefully everything will work out today. Binh is going back to the consulate today. They have not called her about the resubmission of evidence and I am having her go back with all our proof, as well as with the new photos and airplane tickets and passport photo showing I went back this month. I have heard they will not give a second interview, but we feel it is better to go prepared than to go unprepared. I hope everyone out there will pray for us!!!!!! PINK PINK PINK PINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-19 14:47:00
Asia: East and Pacific	off topic Funny statement	Hello all. I know most of you will laugh at this and that is what I am wanting. I think we need some laughs on this site with all the blues we have been getting. I think the real reason for all the blues is simple. The US consulate is hoping that all of us Americans will get tired of the blues and move to America, then when they have oh 100000 or so Americans living in Vietnam with their wives they will petition the US government on the behalf of all of us that were forced to move to Vietnam to be with our loved ones for state hood. Maybe Vietnam wants to be the 51st state. I hope you all get a kick out of this, because I think in another year there will be many Americans moving to Vietnam just to be with their "fraudulent" loved ones!! Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-22 07:14:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Yahoo IM Chats at HCMC interview	QUOTE (ScottThuy @ Aug 21 2009, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Anh map @ Aug 21 2009, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, better to kill a tree and give them lots to read through. Our blue slip asked for more early relationship communication and we gave them all of it from both sides. It was a ton of paper (and I was printing all of it while on the road for work, thanks Hampton Inn) In our case they flipped through, looked at the other requested info (proof of my ex-wife's address) and gave her the pink right then. There is no clear cut path to pink other than not skimping on the evidence. We all are aware that it is a high fraud post. Love doesn't count enough points. It's all in the evidence along with the circumstances. I think that this process is much harder for a couple that are both Viet, especially if there is a lot of family in the US. Those couples have to front load the petition and bring even more evidence to the interview. Keep thinking like a CO when you prepare your packets. Stay positive. Keep your Viet fiance(e)/spouse feeling positive going into the interview and the pink will arrive. I will 4 sure keep her away from VJ.. too many emotional ups and downs with all of the blue slips and few pinks.. she would crack up at the interview if she read about all of the bad news... she is confident now and can answer any question that they ask.... I have one of those pull behind crates for files.. I think that will be going in with her loaded to the brim. I find myself constantly trying to think of something I can add that will make a positive impact on the CO... I wonder if a letter from a party official as a witness of bonafide relationship would mean anything to the CO... Prepare her for questions about the wife that is in prison, and if you have children that do not live with you make sure she knows how to explain why you are apart and why she is in jail if asked. I did not get into great detail with my fiancee on that point and I think it was more of the prison thing that hampered our pink and turned it blue. Just make sure anything that might seem odd or not usual that she can explain it away that will greatly help	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 20:58:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Yahoo IM Chats at HCMC interview	What I would do is make sure you print ALL the chat logs, and then start by printing one chat per week, and if you feel froggy, print 2 or 3 per week, but just as Anh Map said give them a very good sampling. I would print at least one per week. You are luckier than Binh and me. She is a English teacher, so our chats consist of HELLO and I love you Good night. We mainly use the web cam and voice conference. Binh started to print screen with my web cam up and our call duration on the message screen. We will talk for at least 1 hour each time, and there were many many 2 and 3 hour conversations. I do not think the Co hardly even looked at them. But at least they were there. I think Binh had about 15 pounds worth of papers she printed out also. I know it took over 2 binders just to hold the paper evidence, not to mention over 100 photos of us together, and another 100 of our engagement party. I figure that over kill is always the best way to go, maybe to some it might look like we are pushing our relationship to hard, but heck they want proof of bonified relationship, what other ways are there to prove. If we were together and they went with us to eat or just to go shopping they would be able to see our relationship is real, but they don't and wont do that, so I say over kill is the way to go. It so far has not helped our case, but I would do it the exact way again next time. Good luck we are all praying for you. Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-21 16:04:00
Asia: East and Pacific	blue slip at hcmc over time line	I have been told before that this is a public forum, and anyone can read it. I know there is anger and resentment toward what we call stupidity. I am sure there are many that do get a denial when their relationship is true, and there are the ones that get pink that are fraudulent. I have heard countless stories of the woman/man getting their us citizenship them leaving the next day. I feel that if the man was to blind to see it coming, let her go man. If for one instant I suspect that is what is going on, she better explain it to me because if it is true, back she goes. I know my fiancée is true. That is now what I was meaning by my statement. Most people want to have everything drawn out like a map. With this post I have started to realize that life just sucks, and life is far from fare. I do think that the sponsors need to submit more information, and I wish that we could have more of a part in/during the interview. I feel that if they could talk to both of us either by phone or in person with separate Co's this would help cut down on the fraud cases. Then you have to worry about if your stories do not match up. I know that is what someone is going to say. It can and will happen. I know people that are married 30 plus years if you separate them they will say different things to the same question. But with a "Dual" interview at least they would have more to go by, and we could see how our Fiancé's feel. I know that true love will always win in the end. As I have said countless times. In America or Vietnam, I truly don't care, I just know we WILL be together because our love IS TRUE.	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-26 17:40:00
Asia: East and Pacific	blue slip at hcmc over time line	QUOTE (JimVaPhuong @ Aug 19 2009, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (jeromebinh @ Aug 18 2009, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Enough about the fraud. This is a post for us to band together and get the rules changed so that they will tell us things we need. If 1000 people this year complain to the USCIS about the fact that the Co in HCMC wants a time line and each of us complain that in the I 129f or the Cr1 that they do not say they require this and if in Packet's 3 & 4 they do not require this that maybe they will start adding this to the list of required documents. With this post I am not combating Visa fraud, I am trying to stop having women and men go home from a interview crying and pissed off because some Co now wants something he/she was never told to get and that if he/she were told that it was needed they would have had it in time for the interview. This affects many people when we get a blue slip. Us in particular had started to plan our wedding, one of the questions the Co had asked my fiancée was when we were planning to get married. Well to make a long story short we got a blue and we were planning on getting married within 30 days of her arrival not waiting until the last minute. Also what about the countless people that do not use Visa Journey??? They have absolutely no clue about this time line that they "REQUIRE" they also have no clue about the proof of residence for the fiancée, or the proof of the petitioners ex wife residence. All 3 of these things get a blue on to regular of a basis. We really only have 3 options people, one is to take it up the rear and deal with it, 2 is to complain and try to get the system changed, or 3 is to just post on this site and hope that people will read, and believe what we say. I have problems with 2 of the 3 options. Most people have already filed the visa application long before they come to Visa Journey, Many people never even know about this website, some people read what they say we need to do "and like me are stubborn" and say to themselves " If they needed a time line or proof of residence surely they would have required it" . And I am not about taking it up the rear. My butt says "EXIT ONLY" so I have a real problem just sitting down and taking it. Please all lets stay on subject. I understand people are in fear of repercussions, so wait until you get the pink before you complain. Maybe as one poster had said we can get some sort of checks and balances at the us consulate, but the ONLY WAY THAT WILL EVER happen is if we stick together and all start to complain. Please feel free to throw your two cents in as this is a topic and I am really interested in any other opinions about helping this travesty get changed. COME ON PEOPLE LETS GET TE PINKS ROLLING THROUGH HCMC AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's easy enough to say let's try to combat this while not talking about fraud, but fraud is the reason the consulate in HCM does these things. The two topics are inseparable. You want the consulate to give you a bullet list of precisely what you need to give them in order to virtually guarantee that you'll get pink. First, I don't think it's possible to produce such a list. Each case is radically different. The CO has to look at the evidence they have and make a judgment call. Two different couples could produce the exact same list of items, and one could look like Romeo and Juliet, and the other could smell like a fish market in Saigon on a hot summer day. Should the CO issue the visa to both couples because both submitted everything on the checklist? Second, if it WAS possible to produce a list of everything which may be required, like you suggest, then that list would also tell the fraudsters exactly what THEY need to produce in order to get a guaranteed pink. I don't believe there's anything you could do or produce to convince a CO that you have a legitimate relationship that a fraudster would not also be willing and able to do or produce, including getting married in VN and/or getting pregnant. Fraudsters want the visa just as badly as legitimate couples, but for completely different reasons. Some things have become apparent about how the visa unit in HCM operates. It's obvious that they pre-screen the package before the interview, and make a preliminary decision based on that pre-screening. Maybe they do this because it's the most efficient way to process the number of visa interviews they have to process in a day. Maybe they do it because they've found they can often sniff out fraud cases without seeing the box full of evidence the beneficiary brings to the interview, and pre-screening helps them determine if it's going to be an easy interview or a lengthy interrogation. For us who are helping our SO's get through HCM, it doesn't matter why they do it this way. However, it does tell us that the documents they see before the interview better tell a convincing story or it won't matter how many cartons of pictures and chat logs are brought to the interview. They also frequently ask for the timeline, and the request usually says that they don't believe the relationship is legitimate. Obviously, they've determined that the timeline is a useful tool for weeding out fraud cases. Why is this? I don't know. Maybe there are things they see in the timeline of a legitimate relationship that a timeline from a fraudster wouldn't have. Maybe a timeline for a legitimate relationship reads like a "love story', and a timeline from a fraudster reads like a business agenda. From my perspective, the consulate has devised tools to help identify fraud within the constraints of the current immigration laws. Given those constraints, they've found those tools to be effective at reducing visa fraud. I don't think any effort to get them to change their methods or policies is going to be effective, especially if they have evidence that the tools they are using are working. I DO think it's possible to change the immigration laws to dramatically reduce fraud, and lift the burden from the consulates in identifying fraudulent cases, but that's a completely different subject. In the meantime, I think you're stuck with having to play the game the way the consulate wants you to play it. I do think it would be useful to try to determine what it is they see in a timeline that is successful at getting a pink slip that they didn't see in the original package of documents they reviewed during the pre-screening, and find a way to get that information in the original package to begin with. Maybe I am missing your point, but my point is that if they want something specific on a regular basis from people then they should let us know. Even with the timeline if they feel there is fraud involved they will give the denial. I just see a pattern that everyone looking can see. They ask people for the same thing each and every time. I would rather they just say "Look I need more time" than to tell you I need this and this and this, sorry that we did not tell you this 3 months ago. Also if they have all the possible info it will not make it easier for fraud. I totally miss how you say it can make it easier. IT would still look like a business deal even if they knew about it. You can not fake true love. And it is not fair for all of us that do have true love to have to wait longer. If they need more time then they should make the interviews take longer. I would not have minded one bit if our first interview would be today. I actually would have rather it been for today if they would have told us what we needed. I am sure some if not most of the people that got blue would feel the same way I do. It is better to wait or to have them just tell you they need more time than to lie and make you think today is the day. Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-19 14:43:00
Asia: East and Pacific	blue slip at hcmc over time line	Enough about the fraud. This is a post for us to band together and get the rules changed so that they will tell us things we need. If 1000 people this year complain to the USCIS about the fact that the Co in HCMC wants a time line and each of us complain that in the I 129f or the Cr1 that they do not say they require this and if in Packet's 3 & 4 they do not require this that maybe they will start adding this to the list of required documents. With this post I am not combating Visa fraud, I am trying to stop having women and men go home from a interview crying and pissed off because some Co now wants something he/she was never told to get and that if he/she were told that it was needed they would have had it in time for the interview. This affects many people when we get a blue slip. Us in particular had started to plan our wedding, one of the questions the Co had asked my fiancée was when we were planning to get married. Well to make a long story short we got a blue and we were planning on getting married within 30 days of her arrival not waiting until the last minute. Also what about the countless people that do not use Visa Journey??? They have absolutely no clue about this time line that they "REQUIRE" they also have no clue about the proof of residence for the fiancée, or the proof of the petitioners ex wife residence. All 3 of these things get a blue on to regular of a basis. We really only have 3 options people, one is to take it up the rear and deal with it, 2 is to complain and try to get the system changed, or 3 is to just post on this site and hope that people will read, and believe what we say. I have problems with 2 of the 3 options. Most people have already filed the visa application long before they come to Visa Journey, Many people never even know about this website, some people read what they say we need to do "and like me are stubborn" and say to themselves " If they needed a time line or proof of residence surely they would have required it" . And I am not about taking it up the rear. My butt says "EXIT ONLY" so I have a real problem just sitting down and taking it. Please all lets stay on subject. I understand people are in fear of repercussions, so wait until you get the pink before you complain. Maybe as one poster had said we can get some sort of checks and balances at the us consulate, but the ONLY WAY THAT WILL EVER happen is if we stick together and all start to complain. Please feel free to throw your two cents in as this is a topic and I am really interested in any other opinions about helping this travesty get changed. COME ON PEOPLE LETS GET TE PINKS ROLLING THROUGH HCMC AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-18 08:35:00
Asia: East and Pacific	blue slip at hcmc over time line	QUOTE (NQT1976 @ Aug 18 2009, 08:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Vietkieu dont choose Cave, but they dont know the backgroud of girl and marriage by mistake. did you ever heard college student sell herself 100-200 usd ? you will never know. you just know that she is college student. did you ever heard that "gai mat xa" che viet kieu ? she usually made $1000 a month in vietnam. she said that if she can do her job and can get marriaged in vietnam she won marry vietkieu. it is really so sad, the VC now much richer than vietkieu I know for sure cos I was born in Vietnam and have been ling for 32 years. You may not understand Vietnam well because you are Vietkieu. She, gai cave, can say anything she wants but you do not know it is true or not?	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-18 08:25:00
Asia: East and Pacific	blue slip at hcmc over time line	QUOTE (NQT1976 @ Aug 18 2009, 01:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I dont think we can do anything, the CO gave blue slips they have their reason. they tried to help USC, in my case I'm very angry at them but I think they are right, they are training to prevent fraud. I see some viet kieu comeback to vietnam marriage his wife which was a cave ( gai mat xa, gai vu truong ..) , some girl while her husband come back to US she sleep with other guys even used his money spend over other guys. about american ? they dont know anything about history of a girl oversea, 100% of them are for green card and money. I'm not mean all of them, only about 30% are true love, the rest are for money and green card, and dont for get one small but it exist they say " lam di bon phuong chua mot phuong lay chong" . those girl are innocent, they just want to make money for their family, because their is no job in the country for them to do or the job overthere not made too much money. they destroyed the beauty of vietnamese vomen. It is true but a CO has got al documents of a Vietnamese woman. I mean her job, her background and her police record. A CO needs to deduct a case which is 100% not fraud. All a CO requested is timeline or proof of exwife or relatives???? There is a saying BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER. What kind of Vietkieu who choose a CAVE??? Those girls want money in a quick way and not hard working. I respect peolpe use their brain and energy to earn money. There are many kinds of people like that all over the world, not just in Vietnam though. BINH LE	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-18 01:22:00
Asia: East and Pacific	blue slip at hcmc over time line	Yes stopping all the fraud would be good, but.... that is not possible, so lets concentrate on what we can do and that is trying to let petitioners be better informed on what is needed. In a perfect world they would all be pink and there would be no fraud, but wake up this world is far from perfect, so lets try t change the system so that they can tell us the first time what we need so that we can stop the "ohh sorry, we now need this even though we never told you we would need this" marry-go-round	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-17 19:43:00
Asia: East and Pacific	blue slip at hcmc over time line	Hello all, I have been reading countless tails of people at HCMC getting a blue slip requesting either a Chronological Time Line, Proof of ex wife for Sponsor, and List of relatives living in the country of the sponsor. This is a trend that we need to band together to stop. I feel that if everyone that gets a blue slip for one or more of these reasons should contact their us congressman or their senator. I also feel we should all complain to the us consulate as well. When we complain we should all mention the benefit to the system if they were to simply tell us to provide this information. It would A. speed up the process, less blue slips=more interviews B. Less paperwork=less expense and C. Less people wanting to kill the Co's If enough of us complain about this maybe they will do something. There are thousands of people that do not use Visa Journey, and they have no idea that these things need to be sent in. I was one of those many people. I also know that many of you might be scared of reprisals from the co, so I would not do anything until after your partner is with you. Lets all band together and help get the pink's rolling again!!! Stop the crying and start the celebrating	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-17 18:48:00
Asia: East and Pacific	Ok, back from vietnam but need some help	QUOTE (Josephs @ Aug 25 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (JimVaPhuong @ Aug 25 2009, 01:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Josephs, why the obsession with SMS? It seems silly to get dinged every time you send a few words back and forth. Why not use email or instant messenger? well I like to talk to her when i am on my break at lunch at work. or before I sleep. with the time difference sometimes i am not home or she is not home when i want to talk to her. Her speaking English is ok, not good. but her reading and writing English is very very good. half the time I have to send her a SMS while we are on the phone because she doesn't understand something i am trying to say. When we are together we have little problems talking. if she doesn't understand what i am saying and we are together, I just get out my phone and type it and show it to her. or if its only 1 word that she doesn't understand. I write it on my hand with my finger. So that is why we use SMS so much. and if i or she try to spell the word on the phone, that sometimes is worse. d sounds like b or she forgets how to say a letter or some of her letters sound the same. we are working on the whole B as in BALL D as in Dog system. maybe after we get that sorted out there will be less need for SMS. communication will be the hardest thing in our relationship. but we are ready to deal with it. I think and her family agrees, that after she has lived here for about a year she will be able to talk English and understand very well. So that is why we use SMS so much. If your she lives in HCMC I can recomend a great english tutor. My fiancee Binh is a school teacher and she tutors people all the time. Her english is great. I think her english is better than mine at times! Jerome	BinhJerome	Male	Vietnam	2009-08-25 17:41:00