Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
Middle East and North Africa	For MUSLIMS only - hadith, Quran, living the Sunnah, Islamic lifestyle discussion, ask Q's, give advice, stick to the topic!	QUOTE (Henia @ Jun 9 2008, 06:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A big difference here in Algeria, is that outside of Alger you will not find so many masjids with areas for women to pray in. You find that sometimes in the US too but I have never been turned away from a masjid because of no "ladies room" personally. I have, however, gotten my husband strange looks because I sneak into the back of the men's section when I'm the only woman in the "ladies room" because I want to be part of the actual prayer and not stuck behind a wall LOL. I've also gotten some stares when I lift the curtain so I can see the men from the women's section LOL (to follow the prayer not to stare at the men )	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-09 11:54:00
Middle East and North Africa	For MUSLIMS only - hadith, Quran, living the Sunnah, Islamic lifestyle discussion, ask Q's, give advice, stick to the topic!	QUOTE (April and Mohamed @ May 27 2008, 08:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ May 27 2008, 11:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (ta me go hiontach @ May 27 2008, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ May 27 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (April and Mohamed @ May 27 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ''The dog, the ###, and woman interrupt prayer if they pass in front of a believer, interposing themselves between him and the qibla'' (Mernissi 2003: 64). What about the other sahih ahadeeth that confirm a woman, donkey or black dog (not any dog) invalidates the prayer if they pass in front of the sutra? it's been my understanding that this one from bukhari is held to be more authentic and provides clarity. Volume 1, Book 9, Number 493: Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet." 490, 491, 492, and 494 all pretty much say the same as well. Hmmm that's interesting. I haven't heard that one. I'd like to see an article from a scholar that discusses all of these ahadeeth. I thought I read somewhere that it was a menstrating woman that invalidates the prayer but I can't find anything about that now. The other ahadeeth say a black dog and that a black dog is different than a dog of another color (meaning it's only the black dog that invalidates the prayer) Allahu 'alim. Yeah, here's a link to those ahadith, the University of Southern California has a whole collection of texts and 3 translations of the Quran, and you can search specific words in the Quran and hadith! http://www.usc.edu/d...tml#001.009.493 It's a great resource! That "menstruating woman" part sounds like some of the old Jewish superstitions and even Native American superstitions, I know many tribes isolated their women during menstruation. And one of those hadith under number 493 will say that one of the wives of the Prophet would lay in bed during her period while the Prophet was standing up praying next to her, so I don't think a woman's period has anything to do with anyone else's prayer, just that she herself may not pray. And what a mercy that is! There's a difference between being next to and crossing in front of a person while they're praying. There is nothing in Islam that says a woman has to be isolated while menstrating.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-05-27 21:46:00
Middle East and North Africa	For MUSLIMS only - hadith, Quran, living the Sunnah, Islamic lifestyle discussion, ask Q's, give advice, stick to the topic!	QUOTE (ta me go hiontach @ May 27 2008, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ May 27 2008, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (April and Mohamed @ May 27 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ''The dog, the ###, and woman interrupt prayer if they pass in front of a believer, interposing themselves between him and the qibla'' (Mernissi 2003: 64). What about the other sahih ahadeeth that confirm a woman, donkey or black dog (not any dog) invalidates the prayer if they pass in front of the sutra? it's been my understanding that this one from bukhari is held to be more authentic and provides clarity. Volume 1, Book 9, Number 493: Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet." 490, 491, 492, and 494 all pretty much say the same as well. Hmmm that's interesting. I haven't heard that one. I'd like to see an article from a scholar that discusses all of these ahadeeth. I thought I read somewhere that it was a menstrating woman that invalidates the prayer but I can't find anything about that now. The other ahadeeth say a black dog and that a black dog is different than a dog of another color (meaning it's only the black dog that invalidates the prayer) Allahu 'alim.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-05-27 18:32:00
Middle East and North Africa	For MUSLIMS only - hadith, Quran, living the Sunnah, Islamic lifestyle discussion, ask Q's, give advice, stick to the topic!	QUOTE (April and Mohamed @ May 27 2008, 11:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ''The dog, the ###, and woman interrupt prayer if they pass in front of a believer, interposing themselves between him and the qibla'' (Mernissi 2003: 64). What about the other sahih ahadeeth that confirm a woman, donkey or black dog (not any dog) invalidates the prayer if they pass in front of the sutra?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-05-27 15:48:00
Middle East and North Africa	Another visa in hand!!	Mabrookalations!!! That's awesome news!!! It won't be long now!	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-12 14:32:00
Middle East and North Africa	2008 Miss Headscarf in Denmark	QUOTE (bridget @ Jun 12 2008, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't mind the contest but I could swear I saw one girl with a sleeveless dress to her knees with no headscarf on so that's why I was wondering if it really was a hijab contest. Maybe I clicked on the wrong link or something but I cant reclick till this afternoon. She had a small scarf wrapped around the top part of her hair I think	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-12 10:17:00
Middle East and North Africa	2008 Miss Headscarf in Denmark	QUOTE (wife_of_mahmoud @ Jun 11 2008, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here are the contestants: http://community.dr....?lngItemID=1400 Some of those are obviously kidding.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-11 19:48:00
Middle East and North Africa	Is It Thursday Yet????	QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 12 2008, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Take it easy girls....I still have a waistline someone under all this baby! Kelly the orange is NASTY. This is my second test. I took one when I was 3.5 months because it runs in my family. I can't imagine the fruit punch would be any better but come to think of it, they didnt really give me an option. I'm trying to eat healthier to battle some of the water retention. I have had the NASTIEST sinus infection this week. I have slept on average 2 hours per day. I lost my voice for 3 days. I'm completely miserable! Third trimester SUCKS! I didn't think it was that bad.... maybe they changed it again? This is the time when it's ok to lose that waistline but it's good you're trying not to overdo it because it's really hard to lose after the baby. If you breastfeed it goes a little faster but then when the baby's around 2 or 3 well you don't sit still long enough to have any extra fat I hope u feel better soon!	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-12 18:30:00
Middle East and North Africa	Is It Thursday Yet????	QUOTE (ks71905 @ Jun 12 2008, 05:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> jp...dont feel bad, the last 5 weeks of my pregnancy i NEVER felt full...hope your diabetes test goes well...THAT DRINK TASTES AWFUL...ill never forget, the lady was like "do u want orange or fruit punch?" since i hate anything fruit punch, i quickly blurted ORANGE...she went in back, quickly returned and was like....ohhh sorry were all out of orange!! Fruit punch it was, it took me forever to get it down...YUCK!!! Oh too bad because the orange really doesn't taste bad anymore. It used to be really nasty lol but when I had my daughter (she's 7) it just tastes like orange soda. I'm sorry you got stuck with the yucky one	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-12 18:26:00
Middle East and North Africa	Is It Thursday Yet????	QUOTE (amal @ Jun 12 2008, 05:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> heyyyyyyyyy if i eat it for u jp, does that mean that u get the calories and i get the taste??? Well SHOOT if that's the deal I'll have as many as she wants!!!!!	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-12 16:07:00
Middle East and North Africa	Is It Thursday Yet????	QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 12 2008, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ Jun 12 2008, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 12 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ Jun 12 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 12 2008, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just ate: 2 chicken soft tacos 1 side of steamed veggies 2 corns and I'm still hungry! Eating for two will do that to ya!!! Get that baby a candy bar!! I can'ttttttttttttttttttttttt.....I have to take a diabeties test today! OH I'm sorry!!! I'll have one for you ok? Then you might have to have two for me.... How bout I just have one and we'll call it for the baby?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-12 15:55:00
Middle East and North Africa	Is It Thursday Yet????	QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 12 2008, 04:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ Jun 12 2008, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 12 2008, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just ate: 2 chicken soft tacos 1 side of steamed veggies 2 corns and I'm still hungry! Eating for two will do that to ya!!! Get that baby a candy bar!! I can'ttttttttttttttttttttttt.....I have to take a diabeties test today! OH I'm sorry!!! I'll have one for you ok?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-12 15:51:00
Middle East and North Africa	Is It Thursday Yet????	QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 12 2008, 04:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I just ate: 2 chicken soft tacos 1 side of steamed veggies 2 corns and I'm still hungry! Eating for two will do that to ya!!! Get that baby a candy bar!!	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2008-06-12 15:37:00
Middle East and North Africa	DCF in Libya?	Her fiance is Libyan. They're looking into the various alternatives for getting married and living in the US. According to the information she (the USC) has gleaned from him, he doesnt need any sort of visa to leave Libya. I know little or nothing about the country, so I figured I should start asking the experts instead of guessing to answer her questions. He doesn't need a visa to leave Libya or to get into Tunisia. What I meant is that Libyans have their US visas processed through the embassy in Tunis. If she's there with him then she may need something from the Libyan govt allowing her to get back into Libya after leaving and she will probably need a visa to get into Tunisia. We didn't file DCF so I'm not really familiar with the process. Also, there have been several changes to the way things are done at the embassy in Tunis since we filed our K-1 application. For instance, it's my understanding that they won't mail anything to the Libyan fiance any more and they mail it to the USC directly and it's then up to the USC to get it to the Libyan fiance.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-08-06 21:17:00
Middle East and North Africa	DCF in Libya?	To the best of my knowledge Libyans still have all of their US visas going through the embassy in Tunis. Is the foreign spouse Libyan or just working in or visitng Libya?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-08-03 09:02:00
Middle East and North Africa	We were involved in a wreck this morning.	Assalaamu alaikum Meriem, I'm sorry to hear about your accident. Thank God you all are not hurt worse than you are. Let us know what the doctor says when you go inshallah and also if your husband hears anything about the man he works with. Get some rest and don't overexert yourself.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-08-22 11:03:00
Middle East and North Africa	HALAL MEAT YES OR NO ACCORDING TO THE QURAN!	QUOTE (wildroze22 @ Sep 4 2007, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ Sep 4 2007, 01:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 2 2007, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We know that Jews slaughter their meat like the muslims by pronouncing God's name on it making it 'Kosher' Hi, can you please provide some jewish point of reference that says they mention God's name over the animal before slaughtering it? there are arguments over this just as halal. some say that a blessing needs to be said in the morning before slaughter, others say it needs to be said right before being killed, others not at all. it is not a rule for making things kosher. jews do however say a blessing before eating it... which is similar. but again, its not gds name, as that would be impossible. its a blessing Thank you for responding. A muslim says "Bismillah" (translation = in the name of God) directly before slaughtering the animal and I had always assumed jews did this as well but after researching kosher a bit further, my understanding is that this is not true. Like you said, some say a blessing but it's not necessary for the "kosher" label to be applied to the product. I've also been reading about the different "kosher" labels in the US and it's my understanding that there is no law governing the use of this label as that would go against separation of church and state. Do you have any insight about this? The way it seems is that any company, jewish or non, can slap a "K" on the product and claim it's kosher without any kind of recompense if it's not. Is there any one in particular strict/orthodox jews in this country trust more than others?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 08:32:00
Middle East and North Africa	HALAL MEAT YES OR NO ACCORDING TO THE QURAN!	QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 2 2007, 08:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We know that Jews slaughter their meat like the muslims by pronouncing God's name on it making it 'Kosher' Hi, can you please provide some jewish point of reference that says they mention God's name over the animal before slaughtering it?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-04 15:12:00
Middle East and North Africa	MENA men and the great job hunt	It seems we're never going to get the opportunity to experience job-seeking if the USCIS doesn't get its act together. :sigh: They're making us get another medical exam because they lost the one he had done for his visa Anywho! He brought a letter of recommendation from his old employer along with several certificates he's earned in his field with hopes of finding employment in that same line of work... IF he gets his GC....	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 15:31:00
Middle East and North Africa	Tattoos in Islam	If an authentic hadith indicates that the prophet not only forbade an action but also accompanied the prohibition with a curse then it's generally taken as a haraam action and a major sin. Of course it's not necessary for others to agree. **Narrated Aun bin Abu Juhaifa: I saw my father buying a slave whose profession was cupping, and ordered that his instruments (of cupping) be broken. I asked him the reason for doing so. He replied, "Allah's Apostle prohibited taking money for blood, the price of a dog, and the earnings of a slave-girl by prostitution; he cursed her who tattoos and her who gets tattooed, the eater of Riba (usury), and the maker of pictures." (Book #34, Hadith #440) **Narrated Alqama: 'Abdullah (bin Masud) said. "Allah curses those ladies who practice tattooing and those who get themselves tattooed, and those ladies who remove the hair from their faces and those who make artificial spaces between their teeth in order to look more beautiful whereby they change Allah's creation." His saying reached a lady from Bani Asd called Um Yaqub who came (to Abdullah) and said, "I have come to know that you have cursed such-and-such (ladies)?" He replied, "Why should I not curse these whom Allah's Apostle has cursed and who are (cursed) in Allah's Book!" Um Yaqub said, "I have read the whole Quran, but I did not find in it what you say." He said, "Verily, if you have read it (i.e. the Quran), you have found it. Didn't you read: 'And whatsoever the Apostle gives you take it and whatsoever he forbids you, you abstain (from it). (59.7) She replied, "Yes, I did," He said, "Verily, Allah's Apostle forbade such things." "She said, "But I see your wife doing these things?" He said, "Go and watch her." She went and watched her but could not see anything in support of her statement. On that he said, "If my wife was as you thought, I would not keep her in my company." (Book #60, Hadith #408) **Narrated Abu Juhaifa: The Prophet cursed the lady who practices tattooing and the one who gets herself tattooed, and one who eats (takes) Riba' (usury) and the one who gives it. And he prohibited taking the price of a dog, and the money earned by prostitution, and cursed the makers of pictures. (Book #63, Hadith #259) **Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah has cursed those women who practise tattooing and those who get themselves tattooed, and those who remove their face hairs, and those who create a space between their teeth artificially to look beautiful, and such women as change the features created by Allah. Why then should I not curse those whom the Prophet has cursed? And that is in Allah's Book. i.e. His Saying: 'And what the Apostle gives you take it and what he forbids you abstain (from it).' (59.7) (Book #72, Hadith #815) **Narrated Humaid bin 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Auf that in the year he performed Hajj. he heard Mu'awiya bin Abi Sufyan, who was on the pulpit and was taking a tuft of hair from one of his guards, saying, "Where are your religious learned men? I heard Allah's Apostle forbidding this (false hair) and saying, 'The children of Israel were destroyed when their women started using this.'" Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Allah has cursed the lady who artificially lengthens (her or someone else's) hair and the one who gets her hair lengthened and the One who tattoos (herself or someone else) and the one who gets herself tattooed" (Book #72, Hadith #816) **Narrated Ibn Umar Allah's Apostle said, "Allah has cursed such a lady as lengthens (her or someone else's) hair artificially or gets it lengthened, and also a lady who tattoos (herself or someone else) or gets herself tattooed. (Book #72, Hadith #820) **Narrated 'Alqama: 'Abdullah cursed those women who practiced tattooing and those who removed hair from their faces and those who created spaces between their teeth artificially to look beautiful, such ladies as changed what Allah has created. Um Ya'qub said, "What is that?" 'Abdullah said, "Why should I not curse those who were cursed by Allah's Apostle and are referred to in Allah's Book?" She said to him "By Allah, I have read the whole Qur'an but I have not found such a thing. 'Abdullah said, "By Allah, if you had read it (carefully) you would have found it. (Allah says:) 'And what the Apostle gives you take it and what he forbids you abstain (from it).' (59.7) (Book #72, Hadith #822) **Narrated Ibn 'Umar : The Prophet has cursed the lady who lengthens her hair artificially and the one who gets her hair lengthened, and also the lady who tattoos (herself or others) and the one who gets herself tattooed. (Book #72, Hadith #823) **Narrated Ibn 'Umar : I heard the Prophet saying, (or the Prophet said), "Allah has cursed the lady who practices tattooing and that who gets it done for herself, and also the lady who lengthens hair artificially and that who gets her hair lengthened artificially." The Prophet has cursed such ladies. (Book #72, Hadith #825) **Narrated Ibn Mas'ud: Allah has cursed those women who practise tattooing or get it done for themselves, and those who remove hair from their faces, and those who create spaces between their teeth artificially to look beautiful, such ladies as change the features created by Allah. Why then shall I not curse those whom Allah's Apostle has cursed and who are cursed in Allah's Book too? (Book #72, Hadith #826) **Narrated Abu Huraira : Allah's Apostle said, "The evil eye is a fact," and he forbade tattooing. (Book #72, Hadith #827) **Narrated Abu Huraira : A woman who used to practise tattooing was brought to 'Umar. 'Umar got up and said, "I beseech you by Allah, which of you heard the Prophet saying something about tattooing?" l got up and said, "0 chief of the Believers! l heard something." He said, "What did you hear?" I said, "I heard the Prophet (addressing the ladies), saying, 'Do not practise tattooing and do not get yourselves tattooed.'" (Book #72, Hadith #830) **Narrated Abu Juhaifa: that he had bought a slave whose profession was cupping. The Prophet forbade taking the price of blood and the price of a dog and the earnings of a prostitute, and cursed the one who took or gave (Riba') usury, and the lady who tattooed others or got herself tattooed, and the picture-maker. (Book #72, Hadith #845)	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-12 09:48:00
Middle East and North Africa	MENA Abuse Poll~~Please keep in MENA	I have a question for the women who were in an abusive relationship in the past and are now in a non-abusive relationship... do you ever find yourself examining every action and word of your current husband/fiance and analyzing it to death for "potential abusive behavior"?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-08-17 11:15:00
Middle East and North Africa	Ramadan Kerim	For a collection of Ramadaan related topics from various sources click here	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-12 13:56:00
Middle East and North Africa	Ramadan Kerim	Ramadaan Mubarak! Ameen to all the du'a!	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-12 13:41:00
Middle East and North Africa	did you change your name?- for the mena girls	QUOTE (doodlebug @ Sep 10 2007, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ Sep 10 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I took my husband's last name the first time around and after the divorce, changed it back to my maiden name. When I married this time, I kept my name because I don't believe it's a part of my religion to change it to his.... I'm his wife, not his property... we're not transferring title here (no offense intended to anyone who has a different view, it's just my opinion ) hahaha I just laughed at the bolded part 'cause I just called my husband and asked him if he's heard that it is haram to take his name. He said, "what is this thing you are talking about???? you are my wife, yes?" and I said, "well I sure hope so!!", and he said, "then you are MINE and you should have my name!!!" Luckily, Islam does not regard us as property and so we do not become a man's possession once married... we are still our own individual person. Also, the Quran tells us to call ourselves by our father's names... not our husband's names. Call them (adopted sons) by (the names of) their fathers, that is more just with Allah. But if you know not their fathers (names, call them) your brothers in faith and Mawaleekum (your freed slaves). And there is no sin on you if you make a mistake therein, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful. (33:5)	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-11 07:59:00
Middle East and North Africa	did you change your name?- for the mena girls	I took my husband's last name the first time around and after the divorce, changed it back to my maiden name. When I married this time, I kept my name because I don't believe it's a part of my religion to change it to his.... I'm his wife, not his property... we're not transferring title here (no offense intended to anyone who has a different view, it's just my opinion )	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-10 13:25:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 5 2007, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah I understand, maybe your english is not up to scratch. English is my first language	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 19:14:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 5 2007, 04:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi, not quite sure how you ASSUMED once more that im annoyed??... strange.. or did you not read that I dont even care if someone is a satanist. Infact my wife is a catholic its way different from my beliefs and it doesnt annoy me either. No more assuming sir, just ask also I didnt respond no to reading arabic my response was Im not arab im british. Finally if it does'nt annoy you than its great continue reading my topics as there will be PLENTY more to keep you entertained. Peace Adiel (Mireya's hubby) The question I posed was "Are you Arab? and Have you studied the Arabic language?" You answered no, you're a brit.... You seem annoyed as you attempt to project your annoyance (is that a word?) onto me..... don't hate when I reply to your entertaining threads And I'm not a sir, sir. Edited by Alhamdulillah, 05 September 2007 - 03:25 PM.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 15:22:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 5 2007, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks for your advise I'll graciously decline. I posted on here because many people are coming into Islam and I thought it would be nice for them to see it in another angle. Again I have stated so many times now to you, these are no more than my personal understanding, the only one it seems to annoy is you... if you are so sure in your beliefs you shouldnt even care or maybe you are not and thats why it annoys you?? Again assumptions... im beginning to think you foresee things or maybe a mind reader?... I started reading the Quran when I was 5 or 6 in ARABIC! Best advise for you sir is dont read my topics if it annoys you. Peace Adiel (mireya's hubby) You are free to accept or decline any advice I give. I'm not annoyed with you in the least... it's you who seems to be annoyed with me for having a belief other than yours and defending it against your insults. If you want to post about beliefs here then don't be surprised or annoyed when someone with different views replies.... that is sure to be the outcome. I asked if you are Arab and have studied the Arabic language to which you responded with a no... it doesn't take a mind-reader when the other party provides the answers outright. Millions of people read and recite the Quran in Arabic everyday with absolutely no understanding of the Arabic language or what they are reading/reciting.... they also shouldn't bother with tafseer since they are relying on the tafseer of another. I'll read anything I please sir. If you don't want others reading it then, again, perhaps it's best if you don't post it Edited by Alhamdulillah, 05 September 2007 - 03:03 PM.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 15:02:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE I'm not here to justify my beliefs nor do I care what you or anyone else believes in, I wouldnt even care if someone prayed to satan, thats their business. Then my advice would be not to start topics about your beliefs or against other people's beliefs on an immigration forum. It's going to start a fight when you insult others' beliefs whether that's what you intended or not. This isn't a religious forum, it's for immigration. There are many religious forums in existance where one can go and debate religious matters... this type of debate only causes problems here... it always has and it seems it always will. BTW, if you're not fluent in the language in which the Quran was revealed, then you're probably the least qualified to explain it IMHO	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 14:23:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE First of all I have explained the figurative meaning of the word (yud) as in 5:64 so whether hand or arm its of no relevence. You have failed to explain where you got this explaination from. How do you know it's figurative and not literal? If we believe the hadith (which I know you don't) then we have to assume our prophet was thick and didn't understand this "figurative" explaination since he ordered a person's hand be cut off for stealing a shield. QUOTE Hellfire???... what are you talking about man. Thats a final abode has nothing to do with context of this argument. Your argument is that a merciful god would not order a thief's hand to be removed... some would argue a merciful god would not send someone to hell for eternity. QUOTE I do know there are conditions in the hadith for cutting a persons hand off but it does not belong in Islam its a severe ritual. It makes no sense for a theft. If our prophet did it or commanded it it has every place in Islam. QUOTE You talk about people can work after getting their hand chopped off. Please give me a break... there are hundreds of proffessions that he/ she would not be able to do and they may be skilled in them and relies on it to make their living. I would sure like to see a laborour work their construction with ONE HAND. What if he/ she is a knitter, or weaves baskets, what if their proffession is playing the piano or fixing watches, what if he/ she was an athlete, what if he/ she was a taxi driver with a gear stick..lol, what if they were hair dressers, what if they were mechanics or tv repairmen, what if they have to lift boxes or tie boxes. Infact id sure like to see a one handed man tie his shoe laces even... do I need to go on? I guess they shouldn't steal huh? QUOTE Yes I will post my idea on BEAT but it will also require some time. We have a lot of time alhamdulillah QUOTE prayer is in the Quran I have pasted someting about it, you may just look for it if you need to. I would like you to describe it to me exactly how we should pray from verses in the Quran. QUOTE But please remember I am not here to change peoples beliefs systems only to give them another angle to look at things. When you make threads in an immigration forum declaring that the hadith are not Islam or that the majority of muslims are a bunch of idiots because we follow these sayings, it comes across as trying to change peoples' beliefs... so you'll need to back up everything you claim sir. QUOTE You can take my stuff with a pinch of salt or even redicule it for all I care. I am not even saying I am right, what I am saying is this is my understanding of the Quran. I am no Imam, scholar, spiritual leader, guru nor do I claim to be an expert theologist in Islam because I believe you dont need any of that nonsense to understand the Quran as God has said in the Quran he has made it easy for all mankind to understand. The Quran is the communication from God to all mankind not just a select few First of all, I'm not ridiculing you. No one here is an imam, scholar or expert but I disagree that we don't need them. Allah subhanahu wa ta'la repeatedly mentions those who have knowledge in the Quran. Not just anyone who picks up the Quran can start reading it and understand what it means in every situation... one has to study the Quran and with it, one needs to study how the prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salaam explained it and how the scholars before us understood it. Even your explainations come from somewhere, whether you like to admit it or not. Just out of curiousity, are you Arab? and have you studied the Arabic language?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 12:23:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (coolred38 @ Sep 5 2007, 01:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Funny someone mentioned the "infamous beat" ayat.....ironic that the prophet never hit any of his women...when he got into such a state of misery with them that he couldnt take their behavoir anymore HE LEFT THEM FOR ONE WHOLE MONTH....he did not resort to beating them.....and Muslims go on and on about how he is the best example to follow and yet clearly do not feel obligated to follow his good behavoir concerning his wives in this particular instance. Why would God promote love and companionship....calling your spouse your garment and "soft place to land" in times of harship etc....and then turn around and give permission to beat them if they get out of hand.....wheres the Mercy and Forgiveness in that and how does that foster good will and a return to peace in the house? Just a thought. And how do we know how the prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salaam dealt with his wives if we reject the ahadith? QUOTE (mybackpages @ Sep 5 2007, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Your logic is slightly off there. How so?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 09:14:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 4 2007, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi, Thanks for the response, I have answered a similar question to this like 5 times I wish people would just read the rest of the post as it would save me time. But I will repaste once more just for you as im a nice guy ? Hi, I've also shown you in the same Quran where Allah subhanahu wa ta'la says it's Muhammad's sal allahu alayhi wa salaam job to relay and explain the Quran. I think you need to go back and read the other verses around the ones you've quoted and understand what is being said. QUOTE thanks for the response. 1. First, the Arabic word <yad> (in dual plural in 5:38 above) or "hand" is used in Quran in its literal and figurative meanings. For instance, 27:12 uses it in its literal meaning while 5:64 uses it in its figurative one to refer to wealth and resources. The Arabic word "yad" refers to the whole arm, including the hand. It's from the ahadith that we learn that this verse is referring to the hand from the wrist. QUOTE So the correct verse should be: 5:38, "The male thief, and the female thief, you shall cut off from their resources and power as a punishment for their crime, and to serve as a deterrent from God. God is Almighty, Wise." Why would they be stealing if they had resources and power to cut off? The verse means what it says... BTW, who explained this verse to you? How did you come up with this explaination? I'm assuming it's an explaination that you've come up with on your own since you don't trust scholars or religious leaders to explain the Quran to you, right? QUOTE Now you tell me what is the use of cutting someones hands off???... what if he is the sole provider for his family???... is God so severe that the wife and children must become beggars to survive??? … God is Al rahman (merciful) so cutting limbs off makes no sense! What is the use of throwing people into hellfire? There are conditions to cutting off the thief's hand, which you would know if you read the ahadith about it. A man can work with one hand BTW. QUOTE Also you said about beating in the Quran, just like the “cutting hands” … BEAT is not in there either. I will explain also but not today this took a lot of my time. ??????????????? = and beat them Please give us your translation? QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 4 2007, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Actualy the prayer is in there and so is the fasting Hi, can you please describe the prayer exactly as we should pray it from the Quran?	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 09:11:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (mybackpages @ Sep 4 2007, 05:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Alhamdulillah @ Sep 4 2007, 02:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm curious... since you don't trust the sahaba who relayed the hadith to us... how can you trust that those same men and women relayed the Quran to you accurately? Because they are not the same people. A hadith by Aisha telling us that the Prophet said something was not given to the muslims by aisha. It was given to us by someone who heard Aisha say or even someone who heard someone who heard Aisha say the prohpet said. The Quran was committed to memory, it was carefully preserved to prevent changes from being made. The hadiths come much later. Of course they are the same people. The Quran wasn't compiled the way we have it now at that time by the prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salaam. It was those men and women, who are not trusted to relay hadith, that memorized the Quran and eventually wrote it down for us some number of years later. Those who have memorized it from the beginning learned it from someone who learned it from someone who learned it from someone who learned it from someone who learned it from a sahaba who learned it from the prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salaam. If they could memorize the entire Quran and pass it down to us, surely they can remember something the prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salaam or sayeda 'Aisha radiallahu anha said.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-05 08:42:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 4 2007, 07:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> cutting off limbs, Actually, this one's in the Quran ???????????? ?????????????? ???????????? ????????????? ??????? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?????? ???????? ??????? ??????? Cut off the "yad" of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is AllPowerful, AllWise. Curious... how do hadith rejectors carry out this command without the hadith to explain and limit it? Do you just go around chopping off everyone's arms who removes a grain of sand from your yard? Where does the hadith encourage beating women? If it wasn't for the hadith, men would take this verse as free reign to beat their wives over any little matter: ?????????? ??????????? ????? ?????????? ????? ??????? ?????? ?????????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ???? ????????????? ??????????????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????????? ?????????? ???????????? ???????????? ??????????????? ??? ???????????? ??????????????? ?????? ???????????? ????? ????????? ??????????? ???????? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ???????? Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in the husbands absence what Allah orders them to guard. As to those women on whose part you see illconduct, admonish them, refuse to share their beds, beat them, but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means. Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-04 14:54:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (The_dip_sticks @ Sep 4 2007, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If God wanted you to follow man made interpretations of the Quran why did he not have the many hadiths written out as well? Why follow something that God did not intend for you to follow? Do you trust man over God? A better question to ask your self is, are you willing follow Gods final word and will or that of the person who wrote the hadith? If God didn't intend for a man to interpret the Quran for us then why didn't He just implant it in our brains at birth? Why send a messenger at all? Why can't Jibreel alayhi salaam, visit every person in the world for all time and teach them the Quran the same way he did with Muhammad sal allahu alayhi wa salaam? I'm curious... since you don't trust the sahaba who relayed the hadith to us... how can you trust that those same men and women relayed the Quran to you accurately? If the Quran is so easy for everyone to understand without any explaination from our nabi then why did the sahaba keep asking him to explain it when he was alive? Where they just thick? It's sad to see so many muslims who don't trust the man who Allah entrusted the Quran with. Can one of the Sunnah/hadith rejectors please give us step by step instructions on how to pray properly from the Quran alone? The prophet sal allahu alayhi wa salaam, said "pray as you see me pray"... it's odd that he didn't say to pray like you read in the Quran.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-09-04 14:45:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (mybackpages @ Aug 27 2007, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which term do you prefer? Muslim O you who believe! Let not a group scoff at another group, it may be that the latter are better than the former; nor let (some) women scoff at other women, it may be that the latter are better than the former, nor defame one another, nor insult one another by nicknames. How bad is it, to insult ones brother after having Faith. And whosoever does not repent, then such are indeed Zalimoon (wrong-doers, etc.). (49:11) Edited by Alhamdulillah, 28 August 2007 - 08:03 AM.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-08-28 08:00:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	QUOTE (peezey @ Aug 24 2007, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I certainly don't agree with anything the salafist Alhamdulilah has to say, There is no need for name calling.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-08-27 15:33:00
Middle East and North Africa	The hadith is not islam!	I haven't read the whole thread so I apologize if this has been posted already: O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. (4:59) Say: "Obey Allah and obey the messenger, but if you turn away, he (Messenger Muhammad SAW) is only responsible for the duty placed on him (i.e. to convey Allahs Message) and you for that placed on you. If you obey him, you shall be on the right guidance. The Messengers duty is only to convey (the message) in a clear way (i.e. to preach in a plain way)." (24:54) And perform AsSalat (prayer), and give Zakat (charity) and obey the messenger (Muhammad SAW) that you may receive mercy (from Allah). (24:56) O you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger (Muhammad SAW) and render not vain your deeds. (47:33) Obey Allah, and obey the messenger (Muhammad SAW), but if you turn away, then the duty of Our Messenger is only to convey (the Message) clearly. (64:12) O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (SAW), if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. (4:59) ...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu`alaihiwasallam) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment.(59:7) Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. (33:21) I imagine it must be hard to obey the messenger (salallahu alayhi wa salaam) or refer matters to him if you reject everything he ever said or did. Also: And We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou may explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought. (16:44) If he was supposed to explain the Quran to us then how is that supposed to happen now that he's gone if we reject his sayings and actions (ahadith)? It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. (33:36)	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-08-21 16:23:00
Middle East and North Africa	Does Islam allow Muslim men to marry Christian women?	QUOTE (rclouse @ Oct 2 2007, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> has been fasting all day and is ready to pass out from thirst and hunger. I think you may be exaggerating just a tad here... or you've obviously never fasted to know that it's really not that big of a deal. Plenty of us fast while we're working and we make it for 30 days without fainting once.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-10-04 10:47:00
Middle East and North Africa	Does Islam allow Muslim men to marry Christian women?	QUOTE (Caladan @ Oct 1 2007, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Catholicism is okay with it provided the children are raised Catholic, Are there different sects of catholicism? The reason I ask is becasue I know this to be untrue in the case of the catholic church. My ex-husband's priest would never marry us in the church unless I converted to his religion because I was a pagan at the time and his brother married a budhist who also had to convert and take religion classes before the priest would marry them in the church.	Alhamdulillah	Female	Libya	2007-10-04 10:43:00