Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	What are my options for tracking where my K3 case (couldnt find this in the FAQ)	It's like you read my mind & posted it....we're going through the same thing right now & it's so frustrating not knowing - we're also October K-3 filers... As far as the "touches", that should show on the USCIS website when you enter your receipt # - it's just when last date changes without anything actually moving forward on the case. In our case it was October 26th - which means, in my mind, that it's been sitting under a pile of paperwork, empty packages of potato chips, candy wrappers and a half drunk Diet Coke for the last 2 months... Hang in there! xxx	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-01-08 16:35:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	I-130 & I-129f forms	I did. On the other hand, it appears that NVC is weeding out the K-3 and moving forward with CR-1's when approvals are received at the same time. While the approvals for both petitions are approved at the same time, it's up in the air whether or not they're sent to NVC at the same time. Reasonably you would think they would be, but I have yet to see much that's reasonable about the process from where I'm standing. I can't believe I'm saying this but...forget the K-3 and go CR-1. That's what hubby and I ultimately decided to do. Cheaper, and it appears, same waiting time.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-09 00:19:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	OMG call a DR I just had a heart attack!!! I juat recieved my NOA2	You're giving the rest of us hope!! Keep us updated on whether or not they close your K-3 petition and move you forward via CR-1!!	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-10 22:00:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	OMG call a DR I just had a heart attack!!! I juat recieved my NOA2	Sweet! Congrats!!	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-10 08:46:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	What to do? K3 is gone!	How are you out $500? Was that how much extra an attorney charged you to file it? Yep - $500 to mail a letter 50 miles down the road... Push, remind me not to doubt your advice again, will you?	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-20 12:32:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	What to do? K3 is gone!	Listen to Push and others here. I didn't, and I'm out $500 for a petition that I know will be closed, and thus far has STILL not been touched, let alone approved. I-129F is a complete waste of time. Why pay your attorney an extra fee for a petition that has almost no chance of processing through NVC? Yes, it COULD go through, but the odds are definitely not in your favor.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-20 10:58:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	What to do? K3 is gone!	Your lawyer will tell you that you can apply for the K-3 via I-129F so that he can get an extra filing fee from you. K-3 is obsolete as of February 1st. If you apply for it, you'll only be giving your lawyer free money. NVC is no longer processing the I-129F. Go CR-1/IR-1. Edited by Christi and Ian, 19 February 2010 - 03:43 PM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-19 15:42:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	I130 APPROVED!!!	I don't have anything constructive to add, but I wanted to wish you a hearty CONGRATULATIONS! Edited by Christi and Ian, 28 February 2010 - 11:59 PM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-28 23:58:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	My husband and I have original documents. I requested 2 authenticated birth certificates, marriage certificates and annulment papers. I sent one copy to him and photocopy. We accomplished 3 sets of I-130, 1-129F and G-325. One set sent to USCIS and the other sets to us. Whatever original document we cant have, we photocopy it so have it. What I am waiting for him to send me is NOA2 and affidavit of support. I told my husband to stop looking at the updates. He will receive email or text message from USCIS. We cant help it. The moment we are at the computer, we still look at the updates. Its the longest wait I ever had. I know our time is becoming shorter as we wait for our NOA2. One day without news is one day shorter for approval. Getting two copies of everything - smart move...I would have done the same thing if I had thought of it! My hubby also keeps telling me to stop checking the website 10 times a day...I simply can't help myself...	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-07 02:10:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	You are only one day ahead of us. I am waiting till end of the month to receive our NOA2. It will be our fourth month waiting. While waiting we have already prepared documents needed to present to my embassy for my interview. In that case I will not be under pressured. I have 2 sets of folders, one original and the other photocopy. We kind of got the worst of both worlds here - we had to wait longer @ the service center because we had to do 2 petitions...now we'll be at NVC longer because of assembling all of the paperwork/paying the fees, etc... I took all original documents with me on my trip to England, thinking hubby would need them for his interview...now I need them back so they'll be ready go to when NVC gets our case... But, you know, ultimately, I think I'm rather okay with this...	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-07 01:40:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	The issue of children without I-130s in the queue is not addressed in the notice. It's the part that doesn't seem to have been thought out well. The notice is from DOS, so has nothing to do with how petitions are handled at USCIS. The notice indicates K3 is alive only if the two petitions don't arrive together. While we know virtually all of these cases have identical petition approval dates, we don't have any data compiled as to how many of those arrive at NVC together. CRUD...I am totally at a loss as to whether I should ask hubby to send all of our paperwork back to me ASAP, or if I should have him keep it all there just in case we continue to go through as K-3... Well, I guess, worst case scenario, I'd have to send it all back to him again. Theoretically, if we go through as K-3, I'll have more time to get it all back to him, than if we go through CR-1 and I have to start assembling info to send to NVC as quickly as possible...	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-07 01:24:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	Okay - I'm a goof - I kept posting the URL, and it kept my cookies in there, so I was posting up our info for the world to see... If you go to the USCIS website, and click on "Check My Status", under, "After I file" on the left hand side of the page... And THANK YOU Mrs. Wife - it's nice to know the fees will be less, and the wait shouldn't be any longer...I'm coming around to the CR-1 way of thinking... Edited by Christi and Ian, 07 February 2010 - 12:24 AM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-07 00:23:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	Quick question though, how do you know when your applications have been "touched"? If you go to: Create a portfolio (if you haven't already done so), the "Last Updated" date is when your petition was last "touched". Edited by Christi and Ian, 07 February 2010 - 12:21 AM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-07 00:18:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	Can anyone tell me where I can find info on the fees? I was honestly not expecting to have to pay anything else (or pay anything significant at least) until it was time for his AOS here in the U.S., but I understand that I will have to pay something while it's at NVC stage, correct? Also, I brought all of our info, original marriage certificate, filled out and signed I-134 form, birth certificate, etc, etc to him in England, expecting him to need it for an eventual interview. Will I need to get any of it back from him now, to send to NVC? I am completely in the dark about what to do, now that it seems to be transitioning from K-3 to CR-1. So much for trying to be prepared in advance...	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-07 00:06:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	To Christi and Ian, the wait for greencard production comes AFTER you have entered the USA and activated the visa. Then I quite happily stand corrected!!	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 21:59:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	Hello, I am going through this process now. My I130 was entered into NVC a day before the I129F. I called and spoke to a customer service person in the K3 department and she said they were entering the information in their system and sending it off t the consulate. I asked her what about the I130? She said once I receive any papers from them about the I130 I would call them and let them know I want to go K3. I am not sure if she missed the new rules or since my petitions were not entered into the system the same day it does not apply to me but, there are 3 children involved so I hope what she said was correct. No I did not file I130's for the kids because my lawyer said I didn't have to. Wish I knew then what I know now. If anyone has some more information on this new rule change I would love to hear it. From the Dept. of State website: Children Have Derivative Status Children do not need separate Petition for Alien Relative, I-130 petitions, but you, the petitioner, must take care to name all your children on the Petition for Alien Fiance, I-129F petition. If you do not name the children on the petition, they may find it difficult to prove their identity as children of a K-3 applicant or person in K-3 status. You must file separate I-130 immigrant visa petitions for your children before they qualify for permanent residence. When they adjust status in the U.S., they must file Form I-485 Application to Register Permanent Residence or to Adjust Status with the USCIS Office that serves the area where you live. Remember that in immigration law children must be unmarried and under 21 years of age. See child. If the Child is Not Named on the I-129F Petition, Will That be a Problem? The K-4 visa will not be denied because the child's name is not listed on the I-129F petition. As long as it can be established that he/she is the minor, unmarried child of the applicant issued a K-3 visa. I would imagine that where it says "K-3" it's now going to say "CR-1"?? Edited by Christi and Ian, 06 February 2010 - 06:46 PM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 18:45:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	Guys I have a doubt here.... If they approve my 129F first and I don't want to follow K3, they will send it to the Embassy in my country then what? I should call them and tell I want to wait for CR1 or the NVC will ignore my I-130 since the 129F it's already at the Embassy? For the post above me: I suggest you read these two links here about the CR1 and get familiar with them. If you go CR1 you'll have to pay some fees and send the affidavit and DS230 to the NVC, so start gathering all the documents needed for when you petition hits NVC you are able to process it fast. NVC stage: http://www.visajourn...he_NVC_ShortCut CR1: http://www.visajourn...page=i130guide1 ** edit: thee post above me I meant raphmadu More likely than not, I-130 and I-129F are going to be approved at the same time. When the petitions reach NVC, they'll stop processing the I-129F and move ahead with the I-130. The Dept. of State website says they'll send us a letter stating that they're moving forward w/the CR-1 process and K-3 has been stopped.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 18:25:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	Sorry but why you guys think it will slow down the process? The USCIS is the one who approves the petition, so it's up to the NVC to decide if they will ignore the approved I-129F or not. I mean, we will have our approvals by then. I find it very slow the USCIS processing time not NVC. Please let me know if I'm missing something here The difference in the time it will take between just being handed a visa, and having to wait for Green Card Production for one...	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 18:21:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	I'm curious if this will end up pushing back the wait time for CR-1...don't see how it can't...	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 13:26:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	Good point. Unfortunately, the website doesn't give us much information beyond the fact that the K-3 will be "administratively closed" at NVC - starting Feb. 1st... You'd think they'd continue with the ones that were still in the system and just stop offering K-3 as a choice starting at the Service Centers...	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 13:11:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	At the very least, I'm glad that this ends the contract that I signed w/my attorney that included filing I-130, I-129F and I-485... If she can't keep up w/the most current immigration law, then I really don't see why she deserves the extra $$ for the filing... However, never one for patience, I don't know HOW I'm going to go much longer w/o hubby - I miss him so much already!! Perhaps another trip to England over Spring Break is in order...?	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 12:01:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	I guess it will take some work load off of the NVC and IR1 will not take as long at the NVC. K3 is officially obsolete now. I 130 and I 129f are being approved the same day for almost everybody. So all those K3`s will be closed. I wonder if the extended wait time begins and ends at the Service Center? It seems to me that it will take longer to order a green card than it does to get handed a visa... I've emailed my attorney...although the fact that you have made me aware of this before she has doesn't exactly make me feel confident... Well, at least it saves me $1010 AOS filing fee and $500 for her firm to send them Fed-Ex...right? Edited by Christi and Ian, 06 February 2010 - 11:41 AM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 11:40:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Important notice about k3 visa	Wow! I wonder...will this affect our wait time...'cause the whole POINT was to get him here faster!! Edited by Christi and Ian, 06 February 2010 - 11:23 AM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-06 11:19:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Anyone receive notice of K3 "administratively closed?"	Hi there. When the NVC declared they'd be "administrativly closing I129F aps receiving at the same time as the I130's", mine were in the mail already. I haven't heard from them yet. Curious to know if anyone has actually received noticed that their I129F was "administratively closed." Member jessarien has already received notice from NVC - you can check out the thread in the K-3 Forum.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-03-01 22:31:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Anyone receive notice of K3 "administratively closed?"	Oh wow - Scott your time line and mine are VERY similar. You guys even got married the same day we did! Well, same day, different year... Have you tried contacting USCIS yet to find out where your I-130 stands? I would say it's definitely time to involve a Congressman. I have also scheduled an Infopass appointment for Wednesday, the day our petition is 5 months, 1 day old... OP- please fill in your timeline. Scott- your timeline is confusing, did you really get married, file and I-130, receive an NOA1 on the I-130, and THEN file a I-129? Or it's supposed to be the timeline for the I-129, then the I-130? I would assume this will extend your wait time a bit, wouldn't be too concerned. As long as you received the NOA1 on the I-130 everything should (eventually) sort itself out. I-130 has to be filed and NOA1 received before you can file for an I-129F. Edited by Christi and Ian, 01 March 2010 - 10:27 PM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-03-01 22:28:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Which to choose, K-3 vs IR-1/CR-1?	Christi/Ian; Glad to see you embraced the CR1 way of thinking... Not like we had to hit you over the head with it Yes, I was one of those kids who had to touch the stove so I could see first hand that it was hot!	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-28 21:49:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Which to choose, K-3 vs IR-1/CR-1?	Is that good or bad? If I recall, K-3 was quicker than CR-1. Off to catch up on the guides........................not looking forward to all this paperwork again. On the bright side, I think it should be pretty damn easy for her approval. She's been here for 1 1/2 years and we have a 9 month old now. Actually, I think it's a good thing. CR-1 is processing in about the same time as the K-3 was. CR-1 is less expensive, as you don't have to pay the $1010 processing fee for AOS once she arrives, and she'll have a green card, so she'll be able to work right away if she'd like. I wish we had gone CR-1, but hindsight is 20/20... Edited by Christi and Ian, 27 February 2010 - 11:02 PM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-27 23:02:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Which to choose, K-3 vs IR-1/CR-1?	My wife arrived in the US in June 2008 on a K-1 and we married the following August. In September of 2008 we learned we were having a baby, YAY!! Unfortunately, I was laid off of my job the following month. I was out of work until I took a job in Florida in February 2009. Because of the lose of my job, we did not file for her AOS when we wanted, money was tight as you could expect. It took every penny we had to make the move out to Florida and with the baby coming the budget was even tighter. The end of September 2009, the company I was working for decided to close up shop. What luck......................I am now working again, since January, and feeling pretty secure at the moment, knock on wood. My wife is a little homesick and her parents are not in the best health so we decided that she would go back to Thailand so her family can see our son. We will take care of her immigrating back to the States while she is there. My question what is the best route for us to take? Which to choose, K-3 vs IR-1/CR-1? She will be leaving for Thailand March 24th and will be in Bangkok for a few days before heading home to her village. I'd like to get all the paperwork in order before she leaves. I'd appreciate any recommendations you may have. Thanks! k-3 became virtually obsolete on February 1st - Go CR-1	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-27 22:42:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	K-3 and I-130 Questions	I have read that with the K-3, once the I-130 is sent in I can bring my wife here (with certain limitations). This doesn't seem right to me. It makes more sense to me that possibly once its approved, then I could bring her here while we wait for the rest of the approvals. Could someone just cliff note the process of filing for a K-3 and the soonest possible time my wife and I could be together. Other Questions: -Could I do a Direct Consular Filing (DCF) here at my local Service Center? (Lawyer told me I could, because my wife would already have an Alien Registration #) -Lawyer told me that if we file within 90 days of being married, its an automatic 'red flag' for fraud. Is there any truth to this, if so, anyone been through it to see if ts worth the 90 day wait? Any advice that people have would be greatly appreciated in this stressful time. Thanks VJ Family- -Tim & Katia The K-3 Visa is obsolete. When the NVC receives the I-130 and I-129F petitions together, they will send the I-129F back to the Service Center to be administratively closed.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-03-04 22:53:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	K3 is History?	And USCIS will go ahead and process the I-129F and send it to NVC. NVC will send it back to be administratively closed. And from my dealings with USCIS, they mostly seem unaware that this is happening.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-03-13 17:41:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Would like your opinion	Thank you for your reply.OK, i just found out that my hubby called them today and one lady there said that they are working on Oct 16th petitions right now ( which i think its BS cause i have seen around here people that applied in the same month as we did and they already received NOA 2 in Dec or Jan) and will be on ours in a few days ...they said call back in 7 days and then they will do a service request because its outside of the normal window!So pretty interesting eh ...Anyway, can you please tell me what NOA 2 would include?Thank you very much. If your hubby called their so-called "Customer Service" number then he didn't even really speak to USCIS, but to an outside contractor with little to no information whatsoever about your petition(s). The I-130 is outside of its normal processing time. I would contact a congressperson at this point.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-03-22 19:14:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Processing Times are SO Different	The time will go by much quicker than you think. The stage your in now is the longest. Once it hits NVC, the time flies. Now is the time to gather documents / evidence / have him get his Police Certificate and all of that fun stuff. When you hit NVC, you'll get out of there in no time. Rest assured, It's usually faster than 8 months, usually closer to five - I don't think anyone on earth has ever received a Visa in 30 days. You might want to ask around to find out if the denial of entry will affect the application...I don't know if there is anything extra you might need to show...	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-05-12 23:03:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Processing Times are SO Different	I can only tell you from personal experience. First of all, the K-3 is obsolete. We filed for K-3, but it turned into CR-1 once it hit the NVC stage. Our journey has been riddled with problems since the beginning. USCIS let our case sit for 5 months, until I got my Congresswoman involved, then it was approved within 48 hours...clearly a USCIS mistake...everyone else around us was being approved within 3 months. Case got to NVC w/no problems, however, hubby didn't order a certified copy of his divorce decree from his first marriage - that set us back a week. Then, the volcano erupted and we couldn't get the decree from the UK to the US. Everything @ customs and then everything @ NVC was backed up due to the volcano and the influx of paperwork received when planes could fly again. But, I'm happy to say, after 7 months, we have an interview date, as of today...He should be on a plane back to me by late June... I would say, in MOST circumstances, your journey will probably be faster than ours...I believe average is about 5 months from start to finish. But, if you haven't filed yet...DON'T go K-3 - it's a waste of time... Edited by Christi and Ian, 12 May 2010 - 09:19 PM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-05-12 21:18:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	? about the I-134 form if you have been divorced with kids involved & child support!	That's a relief - I wasn't sure if it was something akin to taxes, where you have to report all of your income - but if it's just verifying that you can support your household, that's a load off of my mind.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2009-10-12 20:25:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	? about the I-134 form if you have been divorced with kids involved & child support!	QUOTE (pushbrk @ Oct 6 2009, 09:28 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (Francksgirl @ Oct 6 2009, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> My question is....... Our lawyer advised us only to put my salary on this form. There is nowhere on the form to put money from my ex for child support or maintenance. My ex has Primary custody of both kids, but we have joint custody and I have the kids 90% of the time. My ex will be claiming both children on his taxes, not me. Do I need to put this information on the form, or just leave my salary with what I make on here like our lawyer told advised us. Our Lawyer wasn't the brightest lightbulb in the world.........wish that I had known about this website before! I would have saved a $1,000.00!!!!!!! Please help if any of you have information on this! I couldn't find any....... If your salary easily exceeds the amount required to sponsor, that's all you need to document. That's good to know - I had exactly the same question. I thought it would be relevant because they calculate your income to poverty level ratio based on the size of your household, don't they? Edited by Christi and Ian, 12 October 2009 - 11:51 AM.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2009-10-12 11:49:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	Visa Interview Disaster!	http://london.usemba...faffidavit.html Okay Push - advice needed - the link above takes you to their site that states the following: An applicant for K-1 or K-3 visa may generally satisfy the requirement of the law by the presentation of documentary evidence establishing that: the applicant has, or will have in the U.S. personal funds sufficient to provide support for the applicant and dependent family members, if any, or sufficient to provide support until suitable employment is located; the applicant has arranged employment in the U.S. that will provide an adequate income for the applicant and dependent family members; relatives or friends in the U.S. will assure the applicant's support; or a combination of the above circumstances So - does this mean, if he is self-employed in the U.K., and will continue to receive an income in the U.S. from his U.K. based business, that this could, in theory, satisfy their requirements? He intends to tell them that he'll continue to have an income and in fact, will be starting a new business while he is here. Thanks!	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-03 23:34:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	Visa Interview Disaster!	I can only thank you - I just sent my hubby an email ensuring we have the long form birth certificate. Luckily we already knew about the I-134...there's a weird question on it though - perhaps someone here as an answer - I don't have a copy of the form in front of me, but there is a question regarding whether or not I'm going to be giving him monthly payments...or an allowance of sorts? My initial reaction was to check the box that said "No", as I don't plan on giving him a set amount of cash each month...I mean, we're married, bills will just get paid out of a joint account... I thought I read something, however, that said London wants this box to be checked yes...?? And if this is the case, the form wants you to basically itemize how much you will be giving and for what...which seems rather odd to me... Anyway, I was unsure, when I went on my trip to England, whether it was the I864 or the I134 they wanted, and whether it should be checked yes or no...so I simply filled out the I864, and 2 copies of the I134, one where I answered yes, and one where I answered no...and left those with hubby...figured we get the answer and he could just take the one that was appropriate... Any thoughts, anyone?	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-02-03 23:10:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion	i-134 child support?	I was curious about this also - does the child support count as income of the parent or income of the child? I've heard conflicting stories from other sources on that one. I just ask out of curiosity, I didn't bother declaring child support on the I-864, because my income met the requirements without it, and I didn't want to bother searching my files for the court order.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-05-22 11:02:00
US Citizenship General Discussion	God	The link leads me to a website in Spanish!	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-05-16 11:42:00
US Citizenship General Discussion	God	My husband is atheist and will be struggling with this same issue when the time comes. The "just say it, it doesn't mean anything" argument, I find rather ridiculous. My husband would say "so help me tooth fairy" or "so help me Father Christmas" before he ever said, "so help me God". For the record, I am not an atheist, but I fully support anyone's right to freedom of religion, and freedom from religion. If you're principals tell you not to say it, don't.	Christi and Ian	Female	United Kingdom	2010-05-16 11:35:00