Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
Middle East and North Africa	Wedding Plans	I like that dress, too !!! I hope you like it when you go for a fitting. You're right. It's simple, but very beautiful and it would work nicely at a garden wedding. Weddings are so beautiful !!!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-02 05:07:00
Middle East and North Africa	Part 2 Mena Mommies	http://web.tiscali.i...y/blinkies.html This is a site for attitude blinkies (among other kinds) !!! There are lots there that bridget or Jackie might like !!! I couldn't post them from my work computer, but I hope you guys check them out. They're adorable. Cute mommy blinkies, BL !!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-11 03:14:00
Middle East and North Africa	Africa Cup of Nations final :- Cameroon v Egypt	I think this is the last one !!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-11 17:04:00
Middle East and North Africa	Africa Cup of Nations final :- Cameroon v Egypt	The kids watched it again today !! heeeehehee.... It was about 71 minutes, and I said, in 6 more minutes, Egypt will score !!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-11 15:12:00
Middle East and North Africa	Africa Cup of Nations final :- Cameroon v Egypt	second one	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-11 15:05:00
Middle East and North Africa	Africa Cup of Nations final :- Cameroon v Egypt	I still have a few more to upload, but here you go !! I hope it works... *fingers crossed*	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-11 14:57:00
Middle East and North Africa	Africa Cup of Nations final :- Cameroon v Egypt	People with the aerosol fire torches !!!! Mina & the twins w/flags painted on their faces & noses.... Truck full of fans with one guy dressed as a pharoah. The streets at a stand still....... And no one was complaining !! Sorry all of the pics are from one angle, but we didn't go down into the crowds.... I'm uploading some videos now.... post them later. Edited by monnik, 11 February 2008 - 02:14 PM.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-11 14:11:00
Middle East and North Africa	Africa Cup of Nations final :- Cameroon v Egypt	I have some egyptian street chaos pictures & video that I will upload soon !!!!! They are still celebrating outside ! MABROOK YA MASR @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edited by monnik, 10 February 2008 - 04:02 PM.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-10 16:01:00
Middle East and North Africa	Monday, Monday	For Jackie & IHB (Identified Handsome Beau) Edited by monnik, 12 February 2008 - 02:03 AM.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-12 02:03:00
Middle East and North Africa	Monday, Monday	YOU DIDN'T JUST HEAR THAT, MOMMY ! I couldn't wait until Caturday to post this pic for water !!! Don't worry, water ! He will get the visa, soon !! HAPPY MOND@@@@@@@@Y !!!!!!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-11 14:36:00
Middle East and North Africa	Still no word on Hicham's corrected visa	Dang it !!!!! SO sorry about the wait, allousa...	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-12 02:13:00
Middle East and North Africa	Kamel and Asiya's interview on Tuesday!!!	Good luck to you two !!!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-12 01:55:00
Middle East and North Africa	5 year old belly dancer dancing to raks sharki	So sweet ! Everyone here says they've seen it before... I wonder if she is still dancing if that video is a couple of years old.....	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-12 14:03:00
Middle East and North Africa	Administrative Processing Hell and Marriage	You're so funny, bridget !!! You deserve a giant flower for your sense of humor !!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2008-02-12 02:19:00
Middle East and North Africa	Pity Party!!!	Wow. This thread really took off since yesterday. Here comes my pitiful thread, and my opinions # 2388-2517! Sparrow: Are we jealous of you? YES, I am. But, I don't think that takes away from our excitement about your visa success. I am excited for you and I wish I was you at the same time! And, I am very sorry about your grandmother. Doodle: Threads get started every day about someone feeling bad or upset or depressed from miles away. Your thread is not in direct relation to sparrow's story. Each success, interview, denial, or other step posted here can make us think again about our own situation. Heck, even a song, scent, or memory can have that effect. Too many coincidences to make note of there. I am sorry that your birthday week/day was spent without your husband. But, I am so glad that you are celebrating another year of your life and you continue to nurture your love for God. Sarah: I have read some of the earliest MENA threads here, and your posts seemed to have more compassion in them when you first joined (my POV). I don't know what that means, except that maybe it wasn't always your style to write things in the most direct or blunt manner. Maybe your writing style changed, maybe you stopped trying to please everybody, or maybe you were shy at first and later started expressing yourself more sincerely. I am not sure. But, I did see that when you first joined VJ, you had some familiar complaints about behavior in this forum/on this board. Why do people have to be so rude? Why do people treat the new kids like #######? ((not direct quotes from you Sarah, just overall atmosphere in some of last year's threads)) I guess I just want to say, I know that you know where most of us are coming from in this forum. That's why your posts are important. Because of your experiences. I am trying my best not to make anyone sound right or wrong. Cause I, personally, can see all sides to just about any argument. And, I definitely can see each person's POV in this thread. I think it all comes down to perception and delivery (like doodle said!). ALL of us don't have it in us to sugarcoat the truth NOR to forcefeed it to people. Different strokes! Each perception of comments, and each person's delivery can be seen differently by almost all of us (especially because there are back stories and private matters that some of us are not aware of) so, I have learned not to always trust my first reading of a post. If I go back and read with a different tone or mindset, I may get a new meaning. That's what's so difficult about interpreting written messages. No voice, pitch, tone, hand gestures, facial expressions, or personal interaction to help you form the whole picture. Was this post pitiful enough?? Do I sound desperate not to offend anyone? HAHAHAA I wish I could spit out a well-written post without cutting, pasting, deleting, rewriting, and sometimes even losing my whole post! It takes so long to put something together. I think I am gonna stick to posting pics of hot hunks and pastries.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-26 01:02:00
Middle East and North Africa	Pity Party!!!	Awww......JJ, that was a hard step to take.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-24 23:35:00
Middle East and North Africa	Pity Party!!!	I wanna be in the pity party , too!!! Do I have to contribute a complaint of my own? Or can I just help Doodle to let all her frustrations out?	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-24 22:55:00
Middle East and North Africa	no Sunday thread yet?	QUOTE (dawnnhatem @ Sep 30 2007, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> At 8AM I didn't expect to find noone here yet... Hope everyones having a great weekend! Dinners at my house tonight so I have to think to something different. I'm considering a killer fajita spread this time. I haven't offered mexican to these guests before so I don't really know how that will get recieved...sounds good to me tho. I used to have these 2 flags in my signature, but now I see them each as red X. Can you guys see them? I haven't messed with my sig at all so I don't know why they'd be messed up. Anyway, Happy Sunday! Hi, Dawn. It looks like the site changed around its settings. Below are two new links that you can use to show the two flags. You just copy them and then change them in your signature, and they will look like the pics at the bottom. I hope it works for you. http://www.3dflags.c...a0001-0002a.gif http://www.3dflags.c...r0001-0002a.gif	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-30 15:44:00
Middle East and North Africa	no Sunday thread yet?	Happy Sunday everybody! I have been debating this week with my husband about finding a job in Egypt. I found a couple of openings that we agreed on. The stupid embassy is taking forever, so I want to get out of the house and do something. It's so frustrating because I don't know how much longer we will be here. Plus, my mom is sick and I might have to fly home to sit with her for several months(which will completely devastate my husband and probably make us all a little suicidal). We are waiting on her test results to see if she is getting any better. So, if I don't go home to be with my mother, I will be getting a job.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-30 15:27:00
Middle East and North Africa	I'M GOING TO EGYPT !!	Hi, Jeanne!!! Bumping your thread because you are leaving tomorrow!!!! Have a great time with your husband.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-28 15:37:00
Middle East and North Africa	Happy Birthday	I also posted a happy birthday to you in the other thread peezey! Have a great birthday.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-28 14:30:00
Middle East and North Africa	Mabrook to JP/Amira Ordonia		monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-29 23:00:00
Middle East and North Africa	Happy Birthday, Olivia!!	Have a happy birthday you guys! P.S. - the search for "happy birthday peezey" was interesting. i now know how to contact STOP PLAYING & SO FLY ENTERTAINMENTS for all of my "where the cash at" events I would post the pic here, but it's got some seksy provocational material on it. P.P.S - I knew a Peezey in school, but his real name was Larry.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-28 14:15:00
Middle East and North Africa	Second time around	QUOTE (Becky&Sam @ Sep 26 2007, 08:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> This is my first and LAST time to ever do this.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-03 01:42:00
Middle East and North Africa	The Embassy	Can you tell I am excited for you, Tammy????? CONGRAAAAAAAAAAAAAATULATIONS!!!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-02 22:33:00
Middle East and North Africa	Need MENA guidance on some personal choices	QUOTE (sarah and hicham @ Sep 28 2007, 09:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi! If I were you I would make school my priority for now. You have done everything in your power as far as immigration goes and I think you just have to wait it out. I really think the best thing to do is to try to finish school or get through as much as you can before he gets here. Things might get hectic and it might be difficult to be a student during the first few months that your husband is here. If you can visit him during the summer than that's great but like I said I think school is the priority. I also think that you should definitely go for the internship in NY. If you get it then that's a great experience and if not then you can go visit Egypt. I know it's hard to think of now but he will be here eventually and I think it would be a shame to let an opportunity like your education or an internship in NY pass by to go to Egypt. HE will be here and you can spend every second together when he comes! QUOTE (Jenn! @ Sep 28 2007, 12:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I would take advantage of any opportunity to live in another country in a heartbeat. So I chose #1 for sure, immigration and husbands aside even! But maybe that's not as big of a deal for you -- you have an apartment in Moscow!? I definitely would take any opportunity to live abroad also but I don't know if I would put off going to school for it. I would probably wait until after. Sometimes when people stop school for a reason they never make it back. I think Sarah is right about the school. It would be really nice if you could get as much school out of the way before he comes to live with you. That way, you will be that much closer to stabilizing yourself and getting a good/better job. The first few months will be rough, so you would benefit from preparing as much as you can right now. Also, I think sparrow and Sarah are right that once you get into the workforce (usually fulltime), or step out of school for a while, you start moving away from returning. So, it may be harder to get back into the groove of things. But, definitely don't burn yourself out on school and try to take the first available vacation that you have to go and see him for a while. (Even if it is in the summer! ) Now, I am curious. What should I vote for??? Cause I think you should go to see him, concentrate on school, and I also think that you could do both if you looked into the AUC and be back in time to possibly do the internship in NYC. Good luck, girl.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-28 23:53:00
Middle East and North Africa	Happy Birthday Sarah!!!!	Happy birthday Sarah!!! Do you like cake & flowers? OOhhhh. I almost forgot. You love to golf! So, here are your revised version cake & flowers........ Hope you have a great birthday~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ P.S. - Sorry it took me so long to post this..... my internet was down for a while.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-05 17:43:00
Middle East and North Africa	Does Islam allow Muslim men to marry Christian women?	QUOTE (Caladan @ Sep 22 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Christians, even Catholics, do not worship Mary. Nope, nope, nope. But Jesus is God for Christians, and there's really no way around that. A Christian who just accepts Jesus as a prophet wouldn't be a very good Christian under most sects. But none of that really matters in this case except to the extent that it makes an interfaith marriage difficult, and that it's not just as easy as saying 'Muslims can marry Christians as long as they don't believe in the divinity of Christ', as that excludes a lot of people. The problem's his mother and HER interpretation of what her good boy is allowed to do, and I fear that even if the facts of Islam differ from what she thinks, this isn't going to be a problem solved with philosophy. You always hit the points perfectly, Caladan. How do you do that? The question about allowing marriages has already been answered. It is most likely a family pressure situation and something very powerful is going on that the OP may not be aware of. 2nd topic that came up here (long post - sorry): Christians worship one God in Trinity and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the Persons nor dividing the substance. For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Ghost; but the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten; the Son is of the Father alone, not made, nor created, but begotten; the Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son, neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding. (Taken from a creed from the early church's teachings) In simpler terms, it is that there are three Persons who can accurately be called 'the One God' or 'three persons in one ultimate unit'. RATIONALIZING THE TRINITY We are to worship one God and one God only, but that God is not limited to our logics and should not be cut down to size to fit into our rational thinking. Take a look at Isaiah 40:18: To whom, then, will you compare God? What image will you compare him to? or Isaiah 46.5: "To whom will you compare me or count me equal? To whom will you liken me that we may be compared? Also, read these descriptions and biblical assertions. (I KNOW SOME WILL SAY THE BIBLE IS CORRUPT, AND THAT MAY BE TRUE. PLEASE REFER TO MY LAST PARAGRAPHS. PLUS, THERE ARE ARABIC RESOURCES THAT HAVE SIMILAR STATEMENTS AND COME FROM BOOKS OTHER THAN THE BIBLE) John 1 - "The Word was WITH God and the Word was GOD" - surprisingly simple statement of pure-and-simple plurality-in-unity. And, this Word (i.e. Jesus Christ) prayed to the Father in heaven. (numerous places) This Jesus would send the Holy Spirit from the Father in heaven, after his departure from earth. (John 14-17) This Spirit could be grieved (Ephs 4) and lied to (Acts 5), and made sovereign decisions (I Cor 12:11 etc.) These three are listed co-equally and co-ordinately in the baptism (Matt 28) and the Benediction (2 Cor 13:14). Old Testament passages demonstrate over and again that the Angel of YHWH 'was' YHWH and 'was with YHWH'; and that the Spirit of YHWH 'was' YHWH and 'was with YHWH'. Old Testament passages describe a messianic figure that is super-human, super-angelic (agreed to even by non-Christian rabbinic writings), and is even called YHWH in a few verses. OPPOSITION TO THE TRINITY There are objections to this Judeo-Christian belief, but those who oppose try to philosophize and rationalize God down into our image. Frankly, one would expect a "God" to be more complex than everything He created! One would expect SOME sort of duality or overlapping, but for one to say that God COULD NOT have three interior Persons would be VERY intellectually presumptuous (especially us being mortal creatures). To say that a God who could speak a universe into existence HAS TO BE no more complex in His nature than humans are would be GROUNDLESS assumption/speculation of the most ludicrous sort. JESUS=GOD? I know of at least one verse from the Quran that says that Jesus arose after his death (Surah 19:30-35). Mortal men can't do that. Most of Jesus' miracles were performed without invocation; without calling on any type of higher power. When he said it, it was done. Just the way the Quran says that God wills in Surah 3:47 and 3:59. Can a mortal will miracles into existence? He was a Jew probably from Galilee who became, by birth, adoption, miraculously or otherwise, the sacrificial lamb, who died in order to atone for the sins of people. At best he is God who leaves eternity to become a finite person with all the frailties of humans, including death, the incarnation being a part of his atoning work. At the very least he was a Jewish radical among a lot of Jewish radicals who gathered enough people around him so that the message he came to share did not die with his death, but grew in a strangely fertile Roman and Mediterranean environment. At any rate, I accept a supernatural reason for the spread of the gospel about a supernatural being whose mission is to save the creation from its separateness from God. Hard evidence? Nope. But, I find the fact that the church spread the gospel, and that early Christians and Christianity survived, evidence of its fulfilling God's intentions.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-09-22 23:00:00
Middle East and North Africa	Saturday!	Happy Caturday everybody!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-06 14:20:00
Middle East and North Africa	Dreams	That was very sweet!! Thanks ayesha ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-05 19:39:00
Middle East and North Africa	Duh, Monday	Traffic on Columbus Day: If anyone has been in Egypt during Ramadan, you would have noticed the traffic during iftar is practically nil. This is the ideal time for us to get anything done during this month. Any errand my husband has to run, has to be done at this time. Normally, traffic in Tahrir Square or Ramses Square is horrific. But, he can dash in and out of those areas with no problems right now. Allousa's Bday/Missing Dad: I am so sorry that you are mourning your dad so intensely right now. I wish I could tell you that it will get easier after a certain point. Everyone's experience is different and everybody spends different amounts of time in the stages of grief. I lost my dad 4 years ago, and I still cry like a baby when I say my prayers or when I think about him. He was my best friend. The person that I think about the most. He was funny, generous, & he was crazy about me. What more could I ask for?? I will say that if you can tell stories about him (maybe to your husband or son) and talk to people who have good memories to share with you, you can feel better (how much? I don't know) . I was never very close to my grandmother, but after my dad died, I started to visit her more often and listen to her stories. Not all of the stories were about him, mind you, but she & my dad have the same hands. I loved watching her move her hands cause it would give me little flashbacks of him. She also had some of his same spoken expressions and vocabulary. I could hear him like he was speaking through her. It also helped me to get closer to my grandma. We are penpals, now. Also, after he died, my mom would tell me stories that she didn't tell me as a kid. Stuff about falling in love, etc..... I hope any of those storytelling or rememberance scenarios will help to ease your pain. And, in the instances where you just break down, I found it is best just to cry & cry & pray & cry. My only semi-comforting thought is that if I love & miss my dad that much, then God promises me that he cares about him infinitely more than I do. So, I feel like I can talk to God about it and my burden can be lifted. Make sense? I hope so. Good luck Olivia on the midterms. Everybody else, I hope that you get some great news soon! And, Happy Columbus Day!!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-08 12:33:00
Middle East and North Africa	HAPPY birthdat ALLOUSA	Doodle, that's John Abraham. the one that Allousa likes. (and Jackie, too ) http://www.johnabraham.com http://www.johnabrah...ne.com/gallery/ Enjoy!!! Edited by monnik, 08 October 2007 - 12:43 PM.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-08 12:42:00
Middle East and North Africa	HAPPY birthdat ALLOUSA	Thanks! That's the best reaction I could hope for.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-08 11:45:00
Middle East and North Africa	HAPPY birthdat ALLOUSA	Happy birthday girl! I am so excited for you and I hope you have a great day..... Hmmmmm....... I wonder what Alli is doing for her birthday.....	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-08 11:41:00
Middle East and North Africa	I-130 Petition First Interview @ Cairo	QUOTE (wael253 @ Oct 12 2007, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "petiton interview" is NOT "visa interview" .......... "approved petiton" is NOT "approved visa" 1-we did DCF. 2-we both have been interviewed at the "petiton interview" . 3-to me all the question sounded to be for a MATCHING purpose .. match my answers with my wife answers to see if there is any difference .. which we understand very well that this matching is to make sure how well we know each other . 4- our petiton was approved at the interview and then we received the ( packet 3 ) from the consul who interviewed us . - since in this case 1-they interviewed only the USC , 2-and they have not been approved at the same day , 3-and (packet3) has not been handed . SO it's either the new guidelines for approving a petition OR they were not approved for the i-130 petition yet . GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. I lost what I was typing!!!!!!!! so, if this rambles on... i am sorry... and i am typing too fast to worry about punctuation and capital letters right now. anyway, what i was saying was that our 3 dcf cases have some slight differences......i wil try to highlight here reference: our interview was Dec 3rd 2006 we were both interviewed seperately - like wael & jeanne we were NOT put on ap we were NOT given packet 3 by the consular we received packet 3 in the mail, and we already had a copy from the security desk at the embassy - UNLIKE wael & jeanne we were asked 'matching' questions - like wael & jeanne we had to send in proof of relationship before i arrived in egypt - emails, letters, etc. - UNIQUE *** we received a case number the day of the interview - like wael & jeanne we were told not to send in packet 3 until our acceptance letter arrived in the mail - like E&M i think that one of the possible reasons he didn't interview her husband was because she has been living in egypt for more than 6 months. this could be proof of their relationship, thus no need for the seperate questioning. i am not sure....... also, i don't think they have new guidelines for approving the petitions.... i just think that each case is a little different .... and even though we sent in our proof of relationship the next day overnight mail... they still didn't reply until a month later and only then could we schedule his medical appt & get his police record.... they won't let you get it together until you get that approval... wael was lucky enough to get his the same day.... good luck E & M .... i say you have between a couple of weeks and a month ... & you will get your approval in the mail !!!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-12 23:07:00
Middle East and North Africa	Update on Rome	Hey allousa! What's the word? Did you decide if you will be able to visit your husband soon? I hope it works out for you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-15 12:15:00
Middle East and North Africa	Monday Monday	Wow, Amal! I like your new kitten avatar. I have a new crush...... Move over Rock!! His name is Travis McCoy, he's funny, talented, and tall!!! He is in the group GYM CLASS HEROES. Sorry if this is old news. I am in Egypt, for Pete's sake! But, he is adorable! He reminds me of my old crush, Method Man. And their songs are fun & cute. I love their videos on Youtube. If you like the Roots or Fall Out Boys or Gwen Stefani, you will like them. It's a hip hop band but with live instruments & drums. AWESOME!! 2 cute videos for you all to check out if you want to	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-15 22:58:00
Middle East and North Africa	Monday Monday	I got the same reply from the congressman as last time. Only this time she told me if I hadn't heard anything in 90 days to contact her again. Can you say "brush off"? That was the latest. I also received a terror update in my mailbox. It was the Warden's Safety Message. It was basically the same security warning that is posted on the DOS website, but it was updated this month to say that there are still safety concerns for Americans in Egypt. Why did they have to go and do that?? Now my husband feels justified in all of his over-the-top conspiracy theories~~~~~~~~ I registered my overseas stay with the embassy, and all I got was this lousy e-mail!	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-15 13:08:00
Middle East and North Africa	Marriage and affairs	QUOTE (just_Jackie @ Oct 16 2007, 04:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And some of the girls back home will wait yearsssssssssss for their immigrant man to marry, come over and then walk out on the American wife to start a business in Florida (hope you made it ok) then he will send for her to join him here. hmmmpff.. emotional cheating is as bad as physical. (in my 'been there done that' opinion) Jackie True Jackie! I have also seen WIVES in other countries wait in their home country for years while their husband goes to America, sends half of his money home to her, and he shacks up with or marries an American girl. He travels home often enough to keep her hanging on to the marriage and brings gifts and money when he returns. Maybe he sticks around long enough to get her pregnant again and then he's off to the states. All the while, his American other half thinks he's visiting his sick mom or his nieces & nephews. There is fraud, deception, and overall nauseating behavior happening EVERY DAY in multiple countries. I think even though everyone says there is no excuse for cheating, it gets tolerated at an astounding rate..... there is no follow through.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-16 14:03:00
Middle East and North Africa	The Uniform of a Good Irish Girl	I liked it wahrania.	monnik	Not Telling	Egypt	2007-10-16 18:44:00