Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Living in America while awaiting K1	As already suggested, make sure you do not overstay at all. For precautions, give yourself a buffer in case any unforeseen things come up.	chispas	Female	0	2007-12-26 13:41:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Urgent !! Don't have my BF's documents on interview date please advise !!	Perhaps I misunderstood the post, but If she is going for the interview, wouldn't they already have the tax information and other documents in her packet?	chispas	Female	0	2008-01-03 04:19:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Desparate Help/Advice Plz !!	Actually, I signed my marriage certificate with my maiden name too. Here there isn't a law forcing me to take his name so I don't think it mattered. The official copy that I got from the State also shows both of our names and stating that we are married. However, with the certificate showing that was married, I was able to change my name on other documents. Maybe I am lucky or Nevada wanted it that way. Don't remember. Edited by chispas, 07 January 2008 - 08:24 PM.	chispas	Female	0	2008-01-07 20:20:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Does USCIS actually call you?	QUOTE (panamania79 @ Jan 11 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (lancer1655 @ Jan 8 2008, 07:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I had an infopass appointment regarding my lost 129f and the officer submitted a request to the CSC director i believe. Anyway she told me she'll call me this afternoon or evening with his instructions. So i'm sitting at my desk wondering if i've just been had or if she really will call. Is this likely? I speak from experience.They have taken my number several times and have never called me.my thoughts to you is to be persistant,call them every day if you have to.Make sure you write down their employee # (they announce it when they answer).I know how you feel,it is so frustrating to hear a different story each time you call them. Oye Pana! Me alegro de verte en el sitio. Baya pela! Chispas	chispas	Female	0	2008-01-11 23:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	emails	No.	chispas	Female	0	2008-01-13 23:42:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Fiance visa question	Its all on the USC as far as employment or finances are concerned.	chispas	Female	0	2008-01-15 12:58:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	HYPOTHETICAL QUESTIONS...		chispas	Female	0	2008-01-18 10:44:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Us Old Folks	QUOTE (Mrs.J06 @ Jan 15 2008, 09:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> In our case, by husband would have loved to move to Germany with me (at least for a while) but money was what kept him from doing it. He's 50 and feels like he can't afford to not feed his retirement funds for a while, and it's difficult to find a job in Germany that pays decently if you are older than 45 and have only limited German language skills. Just out of curiosity, why is it hard to find a job in Germany if you are older? I have freinds there who have said the same thing, but I just thought they were not qualified for many jobs.	chispas	Female	0	2008-01-18 10:41:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Us Old Folks	Soon to be 49 here and SO 48 at the end of this year. Being older has pluses and minuses. Changing jobs and the language barrier seemed to be a huge hurdle for us. I am stable, but it was hard for my husband to start over. We were both aware of the challenges but until he arrived, he was more optimistic about being able to land a high paying job. The pace of life here including all what one has to consider for the future is still a challenge as his "Out of Africa" experience was living in England and France where the safety net is larger.	chispas	Female	0	2008-01-14 23:42:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Medical Exam cost for cuban Fiance	No lo se, but shouldn't the embassy have given that data?	chispas	Female	0	2007-12-11 14:08:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	is this a scam? Please help	QUOTE (rdsey @ Nov 12 2008, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was married by someone who used me for his Green Card. In another relationship, although I love this man I dont want this to happen to me again so I dot my i, and cross my t's and yes im guilty about allowing the past to hunt me. I do want to know if this is ok to do or if this is another scam to use me again. My frien asked me to set him reservation in a country that would freely allow him to come to USA. He stated that once he received reservation (invitation to come?) he would take it to the Embassy or Immugration Im not sure on it. They would allow him to go over then once there he can come to USA. Im not sure of the timeline on any of this. Im wondering if this is a scam once he gets over, get what he needs and thats it. Please if u have info pleas share with me i dont want a repeat of my first husband. Thank You Much! Hi, You know if it doesn't feel 100% good, then don't do it. If you do go against your instincts, then accept it if it turns out to be a scam. However, the scheme does sound illegal and not well thought out because even if this person does get to that other country there is still the risk of trying to get into the US and remain here legally. Are you willing to be a party to something that might be illegal? Please take care of yourself and heal your heart . Edited by chispas, 12 November 2008 - 10:02 PM.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-12 21:58:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	PAST 90 DAYS BEFORE MARRIAGE?!	QUOTE (beejay @ Sep 22 2008, 02:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please correct me if I am wrong but it sounds like the OP is saying that the woman has not married her fiance. Am I correct? In that case she would not be eligible to file an I-130 and would have to return to Ghana. Yes, the OP is saying that they aren't married. However, I referred to him as husband more out of respect for her position as a woman and mother of his child. So hope no one was thrown off by this.	chispas	Female	0	2008-09-22 19:47:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	PAST 90 DAYS BEFORE MARRIAGE?!	Yeesh, This is an extremely tough position to be in because in addition to the VISA problems, she might have cultural (tribal, family, etc.) issues to contend with that may not be evident right now. Is there a community resource place that would take on her case? If you are willing to go through the process with her, your husband may have to sit down and talk with her husband to get his take on what happened. There might be some information you can get if the "guys" discuss it rather than among each other. At this point in the process there is very little room for hit or miss so all accurate information is desperately needed or she'll find herself back to Ghana on her parent's doorstep. Hope all goes well Chispas	chispas	Female	0	2008-09-22 16:28:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	On his way!!!!	Much blessings to you both. I'm guessing he's touched down by now and the reunion is in full swing. Congrats	chispas	Female	0	2008-09-21 16:52:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	DENIED at 2. interview	QUOTE (Omoba @ Apr 21 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I appreciate all the support and well wishes. I am currently with my new baby grandson in Chicago and caring for the little angel has been the best therapy for me, Stephen and I talk several times daily. Thank you again Woa Omoba.	chispas	Female	0	2008-04-21 14:20:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Unpaid Work	Hola Ladies, The money examples given by all are extremely accurate in many African countries. Many many people are in need and quite a few do have to struggle to get their pay from their employer. That is part of the culture which we in the West may find puzzling but in Africa is common. If your fiance needs a sounding board for his situation, you are being quite supportive for him. He didn't directly ask you for money, so that is even better. In the end, it is up to you to decide whether or not you want to open up your pocketbook and help out your fiance. If you want to wait until you meet him face to face before you make that decision, then I'd say that's a good choice too. Chispas	chispas	Female	0	2008-09-22 16:39:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Plantain chips?	QUOTE (ose_n_me @ Sep 26 2008, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> wow guys...thanks for all the info. Unfortunetly we live in a small town and there are no international or ethnic stores that carry them. Even the grocery stores rarely have fresh plantain. We made a trip to the African Market when hubby first got here...to stock up on stuff. But the plantain chips went quick! Wouldn't mind making the trip, but its a 4hr plus journey, and its hard being able to get away with our busy schedules. We wouldn't mind paying a little extra to have it mailed, just for the convenience of it. Aint that a shame!... Thanks again for the info...keep em coming! (Uno...yummmmmmm flavored ones! ) God Bless Hispanic stores carry them also. They call them doraditos, patacones or tostones and they are either cut round or diagonally depending on the brand. There is a Philipino (Filipino) store in Oakland next to the Nigerian store which also carries a variety of brands. All else fails, when I go , on that 4 hour plus journey, I can drop some off for you. Edited by chispas, 26 September 2008 - 04:29 PM.	chispas	Female	0	2008-09-26 16:29:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Removal of Conditions results	QUOTE (ose_n_me @ Nov 13 2008, 12:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> So sorry Mami ...Just know that my thoughts are with you. No man can take from us what we refuse to give him...our integrity and our faith in God. Karma is alive and well! Keep being the strong woman you are and let that little man destroy himself! God has a plan, u can believe that! Call me anytime you wanna talk..or get up my way. God Bless Thx I just composed my letter to the section chief in SFO and will mail it on Friday. Let's see what happens. Edited by chispas, 14 November 2008 - 01:37 AM.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-14 01:37:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Removal of Conditions results	QUOTE (Boaz @ Nov 13 2008, 09:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Keep your head up my Sistah, and relax. I will. Gracias! All else fails, I can always find a stack of papers to grade to occupy my mind.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-13 12:47:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Removal of Conditions results	QUOTE (charles! @ Nov 13 2008, 09:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (chispas @ Nov 13 2008, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks all again for your support. Suprisingly this morning I feel worse than I did yesterday and I surely did not sleep well last night. All kinds of thoughts swirled through my brain that did not even come to my mind yesterday not before nor after the interview. I did get a message from him saying that he was in love with me more and more each day. I responded if that was relief from the interview talking. Well, the text message I got back said "SHUT UP YOU ARE ALWAYS TALKING NONSENSE". Didn't take long after the interview for things to revert back to normal right? I wasn't shocked at all and was just calculating the amount of time it would take for the real man to emerge again. LOL is there some reason why you haven't changed your phone number yet? The house telephone number is changed and I moved several months ago. I didn't want to change everything in my life just because of him. It was more of a stess to me to be incognito to my family overseas than it was to deal with his occasional texts. He hadn't contacted me for six months before this appointment so I guess he'll continue to be "lost" in society somewhere.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-13 12:30:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Removal of Conditions results	Thanks all again for your support. Suprisingly this morning I feel worse than I did yesterday and I surely did not sleep well last night. All kinds of thoughts swirled through my brain that did not even come to my mind yesterday not before nor after the interview. I did get a message from him saying that he was in love with me more and more each day. I responded if that was relief from the interview talking. Well, the text message I got back said "SHUT UP YOU ARE ALWAYS TALKING NONSENSE". Didn't take long after the interview for things to revert back to normal right? I wasn't shocked at all and was just calculating the amount of time it would take for the real man to emerge again. LOL	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-13 11:36:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Removal of Conditions results	Thanks hermanas. Zee I think the decision was already made before I got there. Since June of 2007 all I could do was send in new information or call and update USCIS with additional information. Once I withdrew support they wouldn't even discuss the case with me at all! I don't think I will ever know if they considered his mental issues and decided that I just married a person with issues, a deviant, or that the case was too bizarre to deal with. . Shucks, to be blatant all one needs to do is to find a softy American to marry and voila 10 year VISA in hand. To make matters worse, I don't have a single piece of ID with my married name on it!!!! Nothing nothing nothing matches no bank statements that are less than 2 years old, no lease, no nada. P Uno Zaina Thanks for hanging in there with me through the drama and brutality of my case. Whatever God has in store for me, had better be good because I don't understand the twists and turns of this journey. Lastly, I'm writing ICE a letter asking that another officer take a second look at the case before they close the case. I have mixed feelings about how this went and some where deep in my heart I hope they just wanted to see us and compare the information against what is in the file and that the officer has something up his sleeves that he didn't share with us. A ray of hope right?	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-12 21:37:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Removal of Conditions results	Well hola everyone! I went to the interview today and I was out in about 6 minutes and Mr. was approved. Despite our fat file and the information I sent on the blackmail etc. and the letter withdrawing my application, it didn't matter. We were asked if we lived together and we said NO, they asked if he'd met my family or talk to them and I said NO, they asked if we go on vacations together and we said NO. The officer wrote down the answers and told him he was approved for 10 years and that was it. A few posters did say that it wasn't a good idea to go to the interview because USCIS some how will feel that we are together. ####### ! I did read Ido's posts and this interview some how felt like how hers went. One thing that makes me feel good, is that I did't put all my heart and soul into getting justice because somehow I felt that once he touched American soil and stated that he was in a true relationship that was enough to get a green card. Only those folks at USCIS and God know why and how he got this far.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-12 20:49:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	HEY MY FELLOW MEMBER IN VJ'S	Welcome and may your transition be smooth	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-19 13:35:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Update	total congrats. I'm always surprised by the number of questions they ask different couples compared to us. Did you have to go to San Francisco or was there an office closer to you?	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-19 10:07:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	I'M BACK!	Congrats on job, marriage and just plain having a great time.	chispas	Female	0	2008-12-02 13:20:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	Well, Today is interview day and I'm going to go to San Francisco to see what the hell these people want with me. It does seem as if this is the interview for removal of conditions as they ask for tons of ####### to show we are a couple. I have none of that so it is easy. I am concerned about him knowing that I have the letters he wrote me about using me and junk so I might hide them on my person until I can check out the situation. If they put us in a room together to ask questions, then I'll have to get a direct name to mail this stuff cuz I'm afraid of what will await me outside if he knows what I have. So I'll post when I return.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-12 10:58:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	QUOTE (joej @ Nov 10 2008, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh Chispas so sorry to hear that. Does he have an attorney? Jodi QUOTE (chispas @ Nov 7 2008, 11:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thanks Sista Vjers. I was considering going to the interview like you said and tell them what has been going on. What is making me think twice is that Ido went to her interview with her husband and after she told them what he was doing, they gave him further details that he needed to remove conditions on his own. I would hate to spill my guts there and then some one feel sorry for his A$$ and help him make my life more miserable. If I do decide to go, I'm taking the email, letters, text and everything he sent me telling me that he was just using me and that I was worthless. Further, I'm taking the blackmail voice mail too so they can hear the threats he told me he would do to me if I don't cooperate. As I write more I get more and more angry at his nerve to try and use me again. It would be different if he were up front, but to continue to operate from the position of a sneak is deplorable. I don't know anything that he has done at this point. I believe whatever he had done to get this far must have stopped working and that is why he is coming to me now. If he does have papers with joint information, then it is car insurance, life insurance and or health insurance with his job that he didn't change yet. He has no shame in going after what he wants whether everyone knows its a farce or not, so I'm going to be very cautious if I can.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-10 22:03:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	QUOTE (LovinLiberia @ Nov 7 2008, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Chispas, I think you should definately go with your evidence. It won't hurt to try. zee, you and "your people". We know how ya'll are. True dat Uno Zee: true dat too. I'm sure he already has a plot up his sleeves already so I'll see and try to not take the offensive attacks personally and keep telling myself that this is his MO. My mantra right now is just that.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-07 17:21:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	Yes, I do have it in writing many times over. We'll see what happens next week and I'll keep you posted	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-07 13:38:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	Thanks Sista Vjers. I was considering going to the interview like you said and tell them what has been going on. What is making me think twice is that Ido went to her interview with her husband and after she told them what he was doing, they gave him further details that he needed to remove conditions on his own. I would hate to spill my guts there and then some one feel sorry for his A$$ and help him make my life more miserable. If I do decide to go, I'm taking the email, letters, text and everything he sent me telling me that he was just using me and that I was worthless. Further, I'm taking the blackmail voice mail too so they can hear the threats he told me he would do to me if I don't cooperate. As I write more I get more and more angry at his nerve to try and use me again. It would be different if he were up front, but to continue to operate from the position of a sneak is deplorable. Edited by chispas, 07 November 2008 - 10:23 AM.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-07 10:21:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	Yes he did Ose! More new information. Got another invite that we should work on the relationship and that he really wants the marriage to work!!! This is the guy that I had not seen in six months right? Today he tells me he got a letter from USCIS telling him to come in for an interview. I texted him back and said, "really?" "Just got the letter today?" He now claims he has an appointment set for the 12th of November and that we have to go to this appointment together. I didn't bother to answer that text and then I called USCIS. I asked about the appointment and was told that they couldn't discuss the case with me unless he was present. They wouldn't even tell me what this so-called interview was about just that he has an interview. My hunch is some how either they found him or he put in a request of some sort and now has another interview. The interesting part is how transparent his intentions are but he really doesn't give a damn if I know he is just doing this for the green card. He is just continuing on as if I have the obligation to help him. I guess since there were no consequences for the blackmail he feels he's got in in the bag. I suspect he'll go to the interview on his own and quickly learn about his options to remain here without having me sign anything. Shucks, I have't been involved in the process since Adjustment of Status so why start now! I'll post anything new if it comes up. QUOTE (idocare @ Nov 1 2008, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> uscis sends messages thru the snail mail and internet in most cases, HE probably didn't miss the appointment. Hey girl I hope your doing well!!! I think this new interview he is talking about might be one that was rescheduled or he went to that one and was told to bring me there. Either way he is one piece of work. Crazy like a fox. QUOTE (Zee Bee @ Oct 30 2008, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Chispas, I think what happened is that he filed for ROC without the waiver. In that case, I think USCIS thinks you are still married and by some luck of the draw you were selected for an interview. I am guessing that since you got the letter he did not pick it up. In that case I think that missing the appointment means that he is forgoing his ROC and it is considered abandoned. I don't know what happens next (whether he will have to leave) but I do know that it is not your headache I need a vacation so that he can't find me.	chispas	Female	0	2008-11-06 17:35:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	Hola hola Uno: Como estas? Omoba: I think you might be right as the letter came in only his name with the specifications of what to bring for proof of marriage. Also, a few days ago he texted me telling me that we should consider seeing each other every so often. NOT! Charles: I think you are right I'll repost over there Hey again ZEE	chispas	Female	0	2008-10-30 11:30:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	QUOTE (Zee Bee @ Oct 29 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Don't know the answer to your question but I just wanted to say hey Hey Zee, Hugs hugs hugs to ya. My daughter told me it was crazy in Philly tonight after the World Series. She said she stayed inside because folks were out shootin' with the excitement. Take care chica and loved the wedding pics. Edited by chispas, 29 October 2008 - 09:48 PM.	chispas	Female	0	2008-10-29 21:47:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	All Quiet on the Western front	Hola Amigos After some well appreciated quiet time, I'm back with surprising news and a question. I've posted before that since I filled out the Adjustment of Status request for my husband I have not heard a single peep from immigration. Low and behold, the other day a letter showed up in my mail box with a date for an interview to remove conditions. Unfortunately I had not been to the PO box in weeks and the date for the appointment has gone by. The curious thing is that this is the first time I have ever been asked to come in for an interview and the second thing is that I didn't not file to remove conditions. Of course it asks me to bring in all the information to prove that we have a relationship ...yada yada but we are not together and don't live together. Anyone have this happen to them before?	chispas	Female	0	2008-10-29 16:24:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	Halt!	QUOTE (MrsRowe @ Aug 11 2008, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I am not part of this forum as i am from Guyana, South America, not Ghana but i my husband is still in Guyana where we are from. He does not work for a lot of money and the Guyanese Dollars mean nothing over here. I know that he cannot really help me here so i am the one shouldering the financial part of this process. I don't mind because i know that if he could help me he would. When i went home for our wedding, we shared everything and i know that i would have helped him with most of it then too just because i know how difficult it is at home. I don't complain about that either. No way would i get on a publicc forum and ask complete stranger's their opinion of him. I think the big issue here is that you need to decide if you really want to be in this relationship or not. I wish you both well. Mornin' Mrs. Rowe how are you? I agree with what you wrote about the finances and such because most of us here who are women have shouldered a large portion of the cost of bringing our spouses to the US. The only thing is that Ms. Dana might not have another place to go where she can say exactly what is going on. (without having answer questions over and over) Although this is a public forum, sometimes family and friends don't quite understand the journey and frustrations and they can't help you when you are in a state of "visa" dispair. Other times it is better that those closest to you don't know the ins and out of your relationship either so a board like this can be the place to say what is on your mind and move on. She won't see any of us tomorrow nor will she have to worry that we will tell Auntie so and so, who will tell Miss "chat a lot" the next day. Ciao Chispas	chispas	Female	0	2008-08-11 13:37:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	African male culture...	[quote name='southernchic' post='644406' date='Jan 3 2007, 07:23 AM'][quote name='chispas' post='644168' date='Jan 3 2007, 01:40 AM'][quote name='southernchic' post='636639' date='Dec 27 2006, 12:46 PM'][quote name='wabobo' post='634035' date='Dec 25 2006, 09:11 AM']Wow, there's a lot of factors that you have to consider in your relationship: 1 Now, on the issue of Islam, my husband was drinking and socializing during the two years before he moved to the US. On our first date, we were out drinking and dancing into the night. Shortly after he moved to the US he decided to stop drinking. Trust me...he is no foreigner to the social life. I don't go out to clubs. I socialize with my friends at their houses or in restaurants and I invite him to go out with me. I don't want to sound defensive, its just that I'm tired of feeling my entire relationship is supposed to revolve around one person.[/quote] Just out of curiosity, was there a special reason why your husband stopped "drinking and socializing" after arriving in the US? chispas [/quote] He stopped drinking because he wants to be a more responsible person and a more serious person. He and his cousin were just telling me that a lot of people drop their "bad" habits before coming to America. His cousin also dropped drinking. [/quote] OK, I had not heard that one before. I like it. chispas	chispas	Female	0	2007-01-04 20:24:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	African male culture...	[quote name='southernchic' post='636639' date='Dec 27 2006, 12:46 PM'][quote name='wabobo' post='634035' date='Dec 25 2006, 09:11 AM']Wow, there's a lot of factors that you have to consider in your relationship: 1 Now, on the issue of Islam, my husband was drinking and socializing during the two years before he moved to the US. On our first date, we were out drinking and dancing into the night. Shortly after he moved to the US he decided to stop drinking. Trust me...he is no foreigner to the social life. I don't go out to clubs. I socialize with my friends at their houses or in restaurants and I invite him to go out with me. I don't want to sound defensive, its just that I'm tired of feeling my entire relationship is supposed to revolve around one person.[/quote] Just out of curiosity, was there a special reason why your husband stopped "drinking and socializing" after arriving in the US? chispas	chispas	Female	0	2007-01-03 01:40:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	What Did Santa Bring You For Christmas??	I woke up too	chispas	Female	0	2007-12-25 13:19:00
Africa: Sub-Saharan	just saying hi to you all!	Welcome to the site. I don't know a lot about the UK immigration process, but the little I know about it tells me they might be a little more consistent than the US in their laws. The friends I have who went there seem to think that rules in the UK are clearer and more closely followed than the US. I'm not sure if this is true or not, but that was the opinion I got. At any rate, welcome	chispas	Female	0	2008-12-10 17:43:00