ForumTitleContentMemberSexCountryDate/Time
Philippineswhat kind of investigate?
QUOTE (jean&chard @ Jun 29 2008, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
hi everyone... i'm new in this site. so many questions ..

Somebody told me that they are doing investigation in your neighborhood about your petition. Is that true?. and what kind of investigation?
for instance, you filed for K1?

anyone had experience like this?



Occassionally, investigations are conducted to determine the legitimacy of the relationship.
diadromous mermaidFemale02008-06-29 20:22:00
PhilippinesPassed medical but might have ruined my interview results :(
I'd consult a lawyer in the Philippines to figure out how you can adopt your "daughter". The fact that she has your name, I would imagine, is of less significance than her real relationship to you. Right now as your cousin's daughter, even if you became a US citizen yourself, she'd not be eligible as a beneficiary to any petition you could file on her behalf. Her relationship to you is not direct enough.

As for the visa, pending information you acquire from counsel familiar with adoption in the PI, I would suspect you have little option but to delay the immigration until you are her legal guardian.
QUOTE (Hunnybaby @ Nov 12 2008, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My fiance included my daughter on his petition and we got approval, decided to just follow to join. I just passed my medical exams but had to admit that my precious Angelie is not my own, that I never gave birth, never been married with the fear that if I told them I gave birth, they would know through my physical examination that it's a lie. She is my cousin's daughter, given to us when she was only a month old w/o any documents. I didnt even think the responsibilities I am taking when I decided to have her registered under my name w/o a father on her Birth Certificate. Since then we never had contacts with her real mother whom we're really not that close to them, not until last year when my uncle who brought Angel to us died. When my family went to his burial, I let Angel to go with them to meet her real family, her real mom and other sisters. They were very happy that Angel is lucky to have us as her family since we can give everything she needs, educations, good health, etc.... Btw, she is 6 yrs old now.

Now, I'm really worried coz the embassy would know the real deal with my so called documented daughter crying.gif

I'm hoping that the consul that will interview me has a BIG heart and would understand my situation... Am I being paranoid about this?

My fiance adviced me that if the consul will ask if He knows about this, he told me to say NO... what the heck! We had argument about it, told him it's ridiculous, he said, it's kidnapping.... headbonk.gif coz she isnt really mine, but mine... isnt it so confusing? That he'll try to bring my so called daughter to the US....grrrrrrrrrr.... still worried about it... but I decided to tell the truth during the interview if i will be asked about it....

Any suggestions? or opinions?

Thanks a lot for reading, please pray also that the interview will turn out FINE and POSITIVE helpsmilie.gif

diadromous mermaidFemale02008-11-12 18:17:00
PhilippinesMy wife is fat! Asawa ko mataba!!
Actually you ARE considered OVERFAT, and your wife is above average, IF such guidelines are important to you. laughing.gif

Typically the male's body fat should run anywhere from 7-10% less than the woman.
Body Type: Female Male
Athlete: <17% <10%
Lean: 17-22% 10-15%
Normal 22-25% 15-18%
Above Average: 25-29% 18-20%
Overfat: 29-35% 20-25%
Obese: 35+% 25+%
diadromous mermaidFemale02008-12-05 09:41:00
PhilippinesSecond time to be K1 beneficiary what is the effect?
Right, so long as in defining the bonafide nature of this new relationship, the alien is careful not to cast doubt on the former. For example, let's say alien meets petitioner A in 2006. In her visa application and supporting documentation it is demonstrated that petitioner A and the alien were intent on marrying, and became engaged in 2007, wrote letters of intent to marry within 90 days of arrival in the USA in 2007. Now let's say this relationship doesn't pan out and they do not marry. If the alien then submits another visa application and somewhere in the documentation shows that alien and petitioner B met and fell in love at a time prior to the letter on intent to marry petitioner A was submitted, then it causes some to pause and make other queries.
QUOTE (Jose Rizal @ Nov 30 2008, 05:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
None as long as it's a bona fide relationship and all papers are in order. In fact one member here went to the US last year but called of the wedding. Applied again this year and received her visa two weeks ago and is now married in the US.

diadromous mermaidFemale02008-11-30 14:36:00
PhilippinesSecond time to be K1 beneficiary what is the effect?
How long ago was the former K-1 petition, and how long have you know this petitioner?
QUOTE (LEIS @ Nov 29 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hello guys!! this will be my second k1 application as beneficiary..things did not work out with me and my prior fiance...but i had all the necessary papers with me in lieu of the cancellation...im just a little worried thinking that my previous K1 will affect my next application and will cause delay of the approval..hope not..im a little paranoid..what will be the possible consequences of my previous K1 application?any insights will be highly appreciated. thanks!

diadromous mermaidFemale02008-11-29 22:12:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsMore than a serious concern!

I'm sure to suffer greatly if he's not with me.


Just as you are suffering now while he is purportedly "with you"... Please think of yourself, do for yourself, leave time to do its work and if this relationship is meant to be, it will be.
diadromous mermaidFemale02007-07-17 10:18:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress ReportsSponsors Financial Responsibility under the Social Security Act
QUOTE (Jan and Steve @ Dec 8 2007, 08:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was reading that the petitioner may have to sign a "Sponsors Financial Responsibility under the Social Security Act" form on top of the affidavit of support at some consulates (i.e. Vancouver). Does anyone know about this, and where I can get one?

Thanks!


http://www.visapro.c...orm-DS-1858.asp
diadromous mermaidFemale02007-12-08 20:48:00
Middle East and North AfricaAny body know the stats?

Does anybody know the actual stats about if any co-sponsors have been sued before? or if at all?

This can be VJ wide not just ME/NA forum.

I understand that it is a possibility--it says so right on the forms. I just need some stats to help plead my case----again.

Thanks in advance!

Mary K.



It might be difficult to find one source of statistics, if such are compiled, if an alien receives federal means during the ineligibility period, the sponsor can be sued by a Federal, State or local government agency for reimbursement. And states adopt their own policies for holding sponsors accountable by designating their own list of welfare programs and adopting procedures for recovery from sponsors. Typically, each Agency has a procedure. A request is served on the sponsor indicating the benefits drawn and the total amount to be recovered. The sponsor has 45 days to respond to the Request for Reimbursement to pay in full or arrange a repayment schedule. If the sponsor fails to answer the agency may then commence legal action either in State or Federal court.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-02-01 20:22:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

The fact of the situation is the man was detained for wearing a ring!!!!


and unfortunately stating he was married, and carrying an inappropriate document

Then was denied to have an interpreter after asking for one.
He was put in jail for over a day until he was so worn out and scared he confessed to what they wanted to hear??.
Was told he would be hung up if he discussed with his fiance what the problem was on the phone.

I'm not sure that after the POE had determined that misrepresentation had already occurred he'd be afforded these opportunities. I guess that is a good question for an immigration attorney.

To me that is the WHOLE issue of this thread.

HUMAN DIGNITY AND RESPECT

Of which this man did not receive from our governemnt employees.

We don't know that he wasn't offered dignity prior to the point when they determined that he'd violated the terms of the visa. After that he refused to sign a paper. We don't know how or if he was flustered, or annoyed, we simply don't know.

The petiton was approved by USCIS with the knowledge of a religious ceremony, the CO issued the visa with the knowledge of a religious ceremomey.

It's already been suggested that there is ample time after a visa is issued for any alien, so inclined, to actually marry. Not that the OPs fiance did, but there was amplet ime to and how would a POE agent know for sure that it hadn't been done?

The biggest problem with this thread (IMHO) is those who are so harsh and lack of compassion by a few who have posted. There are ways to give out information without being so critical. I know I got so angry over some of the postings I just let it all out!!! I was so angry over how things were said. I am cooled down but boy please try to sofen the reality of the advice. This is such a stressful situation to be in.
And we are looking for answers not critisim.

chi

I haven't seen much criticism of the couple involved on this thread at all! I've seen a heck of a lot of criticism of the government agents of CBP and of members of VJ who are trying to aid in inspiring goldenheart to get some clear, unemotional immigration advice.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-05 22:38:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

Prepare yourselves, I'm feeling testy these days. I think this thread needs to die. Those of us with beneficiaries in the ME/NA face a wee bit different world then those who do not. Now I know our "resident experts" will poo poo this, but until you stand in the shoes, well just leave it already. This thread will never be satisified.

I disagree. I believe this thread has been immensely helpful to many, and although it might be hard to swallow that certain aliens face more scrutiny at times in the process, sadly, it is a consequence of the world we live in.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-05 19:01:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

guilty until you prove your innocents.. :angry:
would it have made a diffrence if he had BOTH wedding bands?
I am saying he is comming to marry. so if he had both wedding bands would he still say he is married?


So true, we must remember the immigrant has no rights, so lets lock him up without an interpreter until he says what we want! We suspect do we convict!!! No need for a legal document in this case...the joke is on the immigrant.


:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:


This is ridiculous discourse, and it is leading nowhere. Chiquita, the border agents are given discretion to make determinations if they witness an entrant using an improper document to enter the country. Much the same as they do when people attempt to enter the USA on VWP, where they really have situations in their lives that would suggest that they might not be intending to elave. In either event, the entrant is not an immigrant, not if he has no immigrant visa. So to suggest that an "immigrant" has no rights is inaccurate. Immigrants once within the borders of this country are protected by the laws just as US citizens are. In the event that an immigrant is the victim of a crime, the laws protect him.

In this case, the OPs fiancé was attempting to enter on a non-immigrant visa (as a fiancé). He had not entered (successfully) with inspection. Unfortunately, his demeanour, his statements, and even his custom of wearing a wedding band refuted the document he was carrying. Regrettably, he failed to overcome the presumption on the part of the POE agent. Not unlike those who fail when visiting.

To make this a little simpler, although not exact, lets hypothetically consider a visitor coming to the USA. We all recognise and expect that a visitor must prove ties to his homeland and prove that he intends to leave at the end of his visit; we all understand that unless a visitor successfully overcomes the presumption that he/she will not leave that they will not be allowed to enter. Why is not possible for you to recognise that "overcoming presumption" also is at hand here?

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 05 June 2006 - 06:21 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-05 18:18:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

That is sooooooooo stupid...a religious ceremony is not legal. A catch 22 situation and the CBP gets to decide the law!!!!! If she filed a K3 she would have had to provide a legal marriage certificate, but since it was religious only, there is none. And the USA is supposed to be the best country in the world yet they can't figure out the difference between legal and relgious ceremonies?? What happened to separation between religion and state??? GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ LOUISE



It's not really stupid at all. The onus is upon the alien to overcome any premuption on the part of the CBP. In this case that was not possible, because the fiancé also referred to his US petitioner as a wife. Unfortunately, it still appears that there are some that don't understand that the selection of the visa sought should be matched to one's particular needs. The fiancé visa is perhaps the quicker of the three, but it provides some inherent conflict with parties whose religious beliefs require some sort of commitment in the form of a marriage to be made prior to meeting alone.

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 05 June 2006 - 01:13 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-05 13:12:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!


how about the FLIP side..

There is a lady that got married in Korea. religous ceremony. USICS said her marriage was not valid.
she tried to apply for the k-3. USICS said she had to apply for the K-1. you know this girl right?
Cindishah. yall rember her? she is a prime example of the process taking her 4 years to sort out.

and that would be the reason for me applying for K-1 now instead of K-3 :yes:
I wish the original plan would have worked out because I'm pretty sure he'd be here already. Oh well, nothing can do about it now but wait.
I still think it's pretty crappy what happened to this poster's husband/fiance. I hope she gets it worked out and he gets here soon. I know it must be terribly hard for her to have been so close to lose it now. And to make things worse I read that after all the horrible comments here she's not coming back here anymore? So sad.


I don't think there have been any horrible comments made here, the topic may be difficult for her to discuss, due to the piqued emotions at this time. If goldenheart chooses not to continue her membership, it will be a shame.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-03 07:40:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

Amen, DM, and with that, I am retiring for the eve. How about yourself?

Indeed. :)
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 21:47:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!




VPL, are you aware that USCIS and DOS employees read this site?

So? Have I said something wrong?
And I already answered why a K-1 is our only option.


If you feel the K-1 was the best option for you, that's your decision. I would think, however, that this very thread demonstrated why it's unwise for you to refer to your sweetie as your husband outside your religious community or your family.


I think goldenheart's dilemma has really given many more an opportunity to see just how something like this can happen. I hope more people read this thread and understand that there is an inherent risk in choosing some visas over others, when there are specific requirements of the particular couple.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 21:44:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!




I'll be sure to tell my husband not to refer to me as his wife while traveling here. It figures that they would prefer him to be coming here to shack up with a woman he's not married to instead of being married religiously first. That is the "American way" after all. :whistle:
As far as being allowed to fraternize with a man you're not married to in Islam... NO way! You can talk to him with your dad (or other male family member) present during an engagement period but there is no dating in Islam.


I'm sorry. Please help me to understand. On the one hand you are snubbing the "American Way" of your fiancé coming here and shacking up with a woman before marriage and how against your religious beliefs that is, and yet you are the petitioner, correct? So, why did you choose the fiancé visa, as opposed to an immigrant visa or a K-3, where you would not have to compro,mise your values?
It just seems to me, that if some activity, some "American" activity goes against all that one honours in one's religion, that you have other options.


It would be my expectation that if anyone has been exposed to or been the victim of bigoted views and treatment, that the last thing they'd be inclined to do would be to actually engage in it themselves. Unfortunately, several posts in this thread prove otherwise.


I think that the immediate reaction would be to lash out at whoever acted in a way you felt was prejudiced against you. I also think it is natural to feel that whoever agrees with the actions of someone you perceive to be bigoted is bigoted themselves. Not saying that it's right, but I think it's just an emotional response.



It may be Jenn, although it's not my style and I would think that it does sort of fall into the "pot calling the kettle black" category. If it's so reprehensible that it would evoke such outcry, it's unthinkable, right?

As I stated already, because it was too much of a pain to get the marriage certificate from overseas... we have had a religious ceremony and so he is NOT my fiance he is my HUSBAND. I will NOT be shacking up with a man I'm not married to thank you very much.
I'm not quite sure what you meant by the last part... I'm assuming that is your way to tell me if I don't like it here I can leave? :huh:



Your profile say that you are doing a K-1, correct? It would be wise not to assume. What I meant by that (I thought it was clear) was that IF K-1 visas pose problems for those couples that really need to be married in order to avoid compromising their religious beliefs, then why do they not apply for K-3's?

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 02 June 2006 - 09:31 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 21:28:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

It just seems that the obvious is being ignored. The religious ceremony was addressed with the I-129F and it was approved. The POE turned him away for something that was already approved. So basically, one said its allowed, one said it isn't. Shouldn't our immigration laws remain consistent?


The religious cermony is not the issue. The laws are not inconsistent. His claim to be married, on this turf, and in immigration jurisdiction contraverted the very document he was using to enter the country. Period. It has nothing to do with islam, religion, or anything else.

As far as those of you offering help, thats great! Maybe just soften the tone a bit. Rather than say "He's not eligible". Say "the POE viewed him as ineligible". Rather than say "lesson learned" say it was a tragic miscommunication, hopefully others can read what happened to you and learn.


Oh, come on! On the one hand you are shouting to be treated equally, and then you are asking for extra special consideration. How much farther is this going to go? Your are making an issue of semantics. This is a lesson learned, not only for the couple involved, but for many here now and many to come. Even goldenheart admitted in her post that this is why she shared the information. Are we to ignore her own wishes?

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 02 June 2006 - 09:13 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 21:10:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!



It may be Jenn, although it's not my style and I would think that it does sort of fall into the "pot calling the kettle black" category. If it's so reprehensible that it would evoke such outcry, it's unthinkable, right?


Oh, of course. I just think it's very easy to be irrational when one's in such an emotional state.


If that's the explanation then hats off to goldenheart, then! She's the one who is devastated from this; she has every reason to be in a heightened emotional state, yet she carries herself with grace and tolerance. It's too bad some of her cohorts in this forum couldn't do the same. :)
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 20:52:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

I'll be sure to tell my husband not to refer to me as his wife while traveling here. It figures that they would prefer him to be coming here to shack up with a woman he's not married to instead of being married religiously first. That is the "American way" after all. :whistle:
As far as being allowed to fraternize with a man you're not married to in Islam... NO way! You can talk to him with your dad (or other male family member) present during an engagement period but there is no dating in Islam.


I'm sorry. Please help me to understand. On the one hand you are snubbing the "American Way" of your fiancé coming here and shacking up with a woman before marriage and how against your religious beliefs that is, and yet you are the petitioner, correct? So, why did you choose the fiancé visa, as opposed to an immigrant visa or a K-3, where you would not have to compro,mise your values?

It just seems to me, that if some activity, some "American" activity goes against all that one honours in one's religion, that you have other options.



It would be my expectation that if anyone has been exposed to or been the victim of bigoted views and treatment, that the last thing they'd be inclined to do would be to actually engage in it themselves. Unfortunately, several posts in this thread prove otherwise.


I think that the immediate reaction would be to lash out at whoever acted in a way you felt was prejudiced against you. I also think it is natural to feel that whoever agrees with the actions of someone you perceive to be bigoted is bigoted themselves. Not saying that it's right, but I think it's just an emotional response.



It may be Jenn, although it's not my style and I would think that it does sort of fall into the "pot calling the kettle black" category. If it's so reprehensible that it would evoke such outcry, it's unthinkable, right?
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 20:33:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!


That's OK, if you need to find a scapegoat for your misplaced anger, then by all means choose me. :)


This is such a sensitive, emotional topic, and I can truly see both points of view on this. As the wife of an Arab muslim myself, I can certainly sympathize with the feeling that bigotry is a factor. But in this particular circumstance, it seems clear that the refusal at POE was not a result of prejudice, but rather, of a mistake on the part of GH's fiance . I'm not saying it was his fault, but it was his statement that resulted in his denial of entry.

DM, just please understand where those who have "played the prejudice card" are coming from. I think you do actually, and are offering very sound advice to GH. For some from ME/NA, it is just very difficult to *not* attribute things to racism, when you have experienced so much of it.

It is so hard to think clearly throughout this entire process, when all we all want is to be with our loved ones. Everyone has their own theory as to why GH's fiance was denied entry, but the bottom line is that she needs to figure out what actions she needs to take. As reprehensble as it may seem to some of you, using the motive of prejudice on the part of the POE officer is not going to get GH anywhere in trying to get her fiance to the U.S.

The definition of a bigot is one who is strongly partial to one's own group, clique, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ. It would be my expectation that if anyone has been exposed to or been the victim of bigoted views and treatment, that the last thing they'd be inclined to do would be to actually engage in it themselves. Unfortunately, several posts in this thread prove otherwise.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 20:23:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

zyggy & pax,

Thanks for reiterating much of what I shared yesterday on this thread. While I can understand the temptation of some of the regular members of this forum to want to find a reason why this is so unfair, it may *seem* unfair, but that's not necessarily true, nor is it productive. To suggest that anything can be reversed would be to suggest that the regulations should be rewritten. That's not practical, nor is it likely to occur.

I wish others could refrain from suggesting that the very land they wish their beloved partners to live in is a hostile, heartless place, and rife with prejudice. Our borders are as secure as they are so that we can retain the freedoms we all so dearly respect here. Is it the result of the acts of a few that have taken advantage of us? Yes, but were all living with both the consequences and the benefits.

Unfortunately, there's no use crying over spillt milk, no matter how tragic it is for the parties involved, the damage is done, and now it's time to get proactive and be focused on solutions to the problem.

I hope that goldenheart will reconsider her choice to participate on VJ. Her tragedy has opened a lot of eyes, that might otherwise have stumbled into a similar complication. She has work to do to resolve this nightmare, and I suspect that this board will provide her with support, couple that with the information she receives from a qualified immigration attorney that has experience in these matters, it will make the road ahead more navigable.




It's people like you that make America bad>>>>>

<<<<hostile, heartless place, and rife with prejudice>>>>

<<<<there's no use crying over spillt milk>>>>

<<<<She has work to do to resolve this nightmare>>>>


chiquita,

Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, and not much of what you are saying here is
a. going to alter my point of view, or my focus
b. going to correct any wrong that has happened

If you wish to be a source of support and compassion, as evidently you claim I am not, then "do something"! There's a man who is right now in Germany 4600 miles or more away from his fiancée, with whom he expected to be reunited two days ago. Do you really think he'd feel better if he reads only outpouring of excuses, or do you think he would feel much more relieved to know that there are folks here trying to assist goldenheart in understanding the issue, addressing it with her attorney and moving towards a resolution?

I am so angry over how critical a few have been to GH. Unless it happens to you, there are those who will never know the pain and heartache of such misfortunes in life.

You have no idea what level of compassion, attention or encouragement I have offered goldenheart in private. A person I had never had the occasion to speak with or even post with prior to this incident. In fact, FYI, I had an important project that deadlined yesterday, that I put aside to answer her PMS and offer whatever aid I could.

My anger is towards those who are self-rightous bigots.

This whole matter arose out of a POE agent responding to something said, inadvertantly, and presuming something that was, apparently, not the case. A mere "mistake", as you'd want to call it. Well, in view of that, there was this outpouring of outrage, was there not? How could they do this? Now, you are inclined to consider people who are actively assisting as "self-righteous bigots", without knowledge of any other communication or details about me as a person. You are seeing something that simply does not exist. Can you not then consider you are just as wrong as the very POE agent that mischaracterised goldenheart's fiancé?

You will never know the nightmare since it didn't happen to you. If you had any compassion at all you would at least soften your responses. You are exactly what makes our great country foul.


You have absolutely no idea of the nightmares, pain, heartache and misfortune that I have faced, not that I'd care to share them here, anyway. And I believe that compassion is something I offer at all times, as a result of that pain and misfortune. Why even in my response to your comment, I am affording you more respect than you did to me. That's OK, if you need to find a scapegoat for your misplaced anger, then by all means choose me. :)

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 02 June 2006 - 06:17 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 18:14:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!
In goldenheart’s situation, she referred earlier to fraud being the grounds for removal. I do not doubt her but there are two circumstances that prompt expedited removal. §235( b )(1)(A)(i) of the INA explains the process of Expedited Removal.

It states that:
a) Any alien that misrepresents facts INA §212(a)(6)© in an attempt to gain admission to the USA is inadmissible; and
b ) Any alien lacking proper documentation INA §212(a)(7) that mainly targets immigrants that lack correct documentation for lawful residence, and nonimmigrants who lack a valid passport and visa. An alien that is not a bona fide nonimmigrant (who then becomes an immigrant lacking correct documentation) is most common.

may be removed from the country without a hearing or appeal (INA §235( b )(1)), unless such alien, out of fear of persecution, claims an interest in applying for asylum. Those subject to removal will be detained until removal and the removal itself confers a bar to reentry for at least five years, unless the Attorney General agrees to an earlier admission through the waiver process.

Pursuant to IIRIRA, of 1996, an alternative offered to aliens that find themselves in this predicament at the POE. This is referred to as a "withdrawal of application for admission". From what I have read POE inspectors favour this, as it ostensibly permits the alien to return to his country and have no long-term bar in place. Hoever, this is not a matter of right afforded an alien, as it was prior to the reform, but may be subject to the discretion of the Attorney General.

Now the sentiment on this thread is that something occured during the process that triggered the 5 year bar to admission, but in point of fact, the determination by the POE agent appears to be that he was inadmissible.

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 02 June 2006 - 05:47 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 17:46:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!
zyggy & pax,

Thanks for reiterating much of what I shared yesterday on this thread. While I can understand the temptation of some of the regular members of this forum to want to find a reason why this is so unfair, it may *seem* unfair, but that's not necessarily true, nor is it productive. To suggest that anything can be reversed would be to suggest that the regulations should be rewritten. That's not practical, nor is it likely to occur.

I wish others could refrain from suggesting that the very land they wish their beloved partners to live in is a hostile, heartless place, and rife with prejudice. Our borders are as secure as they are so that we can retain the freedoms we all so dearly respect here. Is it the result of the acts of a few that have taken advantage of us? Yes, but were all living with both the consequences and the benefits.

Unfortunately, there's no use crying over spillt milk, no matter how tragic it is for the parties involved, the damage is done, and now it's time to get proactive and be focused on solutions to the problem.

I hope that goldenheart will reconsider her choice to participate on VJ. Her tragedy has opened a lot of eyes, that might otherwise have stumbled into a similar complication. She has work to do to resolve this nightmare, and I suspect that this board will provide her with support, couple that with the information she receives from a qualified immigration attorney that has experience in these matters, it will make the road ahead more navigable.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-02 15:02:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

Did the immigration attorney mention anything about marrying, legally, overseas and then filing for a waiver, Section 212, perhaps?

Yes, but I told her that if I married legally it would contradict the reasoning behind his deportation. Because according to the CBP I'm already married. I also told her that If I decided to say the heck with all of this and marry a USC tomorrow....would I than be considered a polygymist???? Because according to the CBP my islamic marriage is valid. Also, if my islamic marriage is valid...I need to go back to my 2005 Tax Forms and claim him as my dependent. Do you think the IRS would deny me?



Look, I could be speaking out of my realm here, but of what importance is it that you contradict the reasoning behind the deportation? If you wish to resolve this and get your fiancé here as soon as is practical, you'll need to focus on solutions that present the best options. I doubt sincerely, and as on off-the-cuff opinion, that you will reverse the deportation. The alien is out of the country, and it rests now with securing another visa to enter, I think. Work would need to be done here to file a waiver to overcome the bar od inadmissibility, as far as I can see. While work would need to be done in Germany to secure a visa, once the bar issue has been addressed.

When did you perform the ritual ceremony on the phone? What date? And when did you file the I-129F?
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 21:17:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!



Thank you all for your inputs and support in my visa tragedy. The bottom line is, my fiance and I never intended to commit fraud as the deportation documents stated. We only thought that the K1 visa was the right path to take at the time, had we know otherwise we would have surely chosen the right path.

Also, when we were questioned at the interview in Frankfurt the CO asked us if we were muslims and if we did the islamic marriage and I told him the truth, because at that time we were wearing our engagement rings. He started telling us about a young lady(USC) that came for an interview the day prior that had to do the same thing to travel and visit her fiance. He said that he was familiar with the process.

I assumed if I disclosed this islamic ceremony to the CO, as well as , on my petition to the Nebraska Service Center, It would have been ok for the CBP. as well.

If you all remember correctly, My petition was previously denied because I had not met my fiance face-to-face within two years. Therefore, after I visited him in Germany I answer question 18 correctly, by stating I had a religous ceremony with the local imam. I did not hide anything, because I honestly thought I was following all the rules.


Goldenheart, please don't reproach yourself, as I said earlier. It's just an unfortunate circumstance. Now, how did all go with the immigration attorney? Does he have a grasp of the case yet?


SHe said the case was quite complicated. However, I do remember her saying that in order for the Imam to perform a legal ceremony he MUST have a notorzed permission letter from my fiance to perform such a ceremony in his absent. My fiance never gave the imam "legal" permission to do so. Therefore she said that she do not see a problem refuting the marriage part.

Also, she read the statement on my original petition that I infact disclosed the religious ceremony. I also had copies of my fiance letters and cards that he sent to me and his "terrible english grammer" was proof of his lack of knowledge of the english language.

She said that the 5 year banned will be hard to remove. :crying: :crying:

BTW...I'm only sharing my experience because I do not want anyone to make the same mistakes that I have.


And I think you have shown many how little things can present bigger obstacles. As the saying goes, "Inside every black cloud there is a silver lining" perhaps in this case, your situation has allowed others to see what "can" happen, accidentally.

Did the immigration attorney mention anything about marrying, legally, overseas and then filing for a waiver, Section 212, perhaps?

Added: BTW, immigration consultations, initial ones that is, are typically gratis. On something as critical as this, I'd not rest on one attorney's opinion. You have the time, please consult another to gain peace of mind that every stone has been overturned. :)

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 01 June 2006 - 08:19 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 20:17:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

Thank you all for your inputs and support in my visa tragedy. The bottom line is, my fiance and I never intended to commit fraud as the deportation documents stated. We only thought that the K1 visa was the right path to take at the time, had we know otherwise we would have surely chosen the right path.

Also, when we were questioned at the interview in Frankfurt the CO asked us if we were muslims and if we did the islamic marriage and I told him the truth, because at that time we were wearing our engagement rings. He started telling us about a young lady(USC) that came for an interview the day prior that had to do the same thing to travel and visit her fiance. He said that he was familiar with the process.

I assumed if I disclosed this islamic ceremony to the CO, as well as , on my petition to the Nebraska Service Center, It would have been ok for the CBP. as well.

If you all remember correctly, My petition was previously denied because I had not met my fiance face-to-face within two years. Therefore, after I visited him in Germany I answer question 18 correctly, by stating I had a religous ceremony with the local imam. I did not hide anything, because I honestly thought I was following all the rules.


Goldenheart, please don't reproach yourself, as I said earlier. It's just an unfortunate circumstance. Now, how did all go with the immigration attorney? Does he have a grasp of the case yet?
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 19:46:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!




POE officers are not above the Embassy. If the embassy and the DOS have determined that the relationship is valid and have completed all the backround checks, then the person should not be interrogatted at the POE.


I read this on another website:


" A visa as described by the U.S. Department of State is an endorsement made in a passport by the proper authorities denoting that it has been examined and that the bearer may proceed to a country's port of entry".

"A visa does not entitle a holder to enter the U.S,; it only permits the visa-holder to travel to a U.S. border or point of entry, at which point an officer of Immigration and Naturalization Services (INS) has the sole authority to permit entrance into the country".

and of a similar nature from another

A visa doesn?t permit entry to the U.S., however. A visa simply indicates that your application has been reviewed by a U.S. consular officer at an American embassy or consulate, and that the officer has determined you?re eligible to enter the country for a specific purpose. Consular affairs are the responsibility of the U.S. Department of State.

A visa allows you to travel to the United States as far as the port of entry (airport or land border crossing) and ask the immigration officer to allow you to enter the country. Only the immigration officer has the authority to permit you to enter the United States. He or she decides how long you can stay for any particular visit. Immigration matters are the responsibility of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.



I'm just curious to know which website this is? Is it a government website or just a random one that you found when doing a search? I'm just curious if you could give me the link I would appreciate it. Thanks!



The first was on another immigration site. The second from a government site. http://www.unitedsta...sas.gov/whatis/

I didn't know about this. I thought a visa was entry into the country, and the INS officer could only override it if there was something obviously wrong (you had drugs on you, etc.).

Rebecca


Entering the USA, as a visitor, visa bearer, as in a fiancé etc, or a legal permanent resident is up to the discretion of the POE (Homeland Security) agents. Even with an AP or a re-entry permit even a permanent resident may encounter difficulties at the POE, should an agent see fit.

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 01 June 2006 - 06:58 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 18:57:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!
I'm not making an example out of goldenheart, and for your information, she and I corresponded in private message as soon as she first posted the situation. I know that I offered her as much help and information and compassion as anyone could, and it was in my first PM to her that I asked if her fiancé could ahve possibly and mistakenly referred to her as his wife. This was more than a day before she received the documents that confirmed what happened. Was I clairvoyant? No. But I know the pitfalls.

While I don't wish to make this the subject matter of this thread, I'll simply remind you of your attempt to make it appear that I was placing a slant on this situation. Not true of course.

I am not playing a prejudice card on this at all nor am I putting any kind of slant on it, as a matter of fact, I think you are the one putting the slant on it. You have posted about knowing the visa options, justifying the actions of the POE, etc. This girl obviously came here for support, I"m sure she is aware of the mistake her fiance made, and to wonder of the choice she made over a fiance or marriage visa is pointless now.


I believe goldenheart came here to ask what she should do. She received a lot of input on that question and a lot of support and compassion from everyone.

The POE agent in this case, did his job, unfortunately for goldenheart. The immigration officers, supervisors etc then took over and began to perform theirs. Until we know exactly what went on and in what order, we can't know if there was anything done that was inappropriate. As someone said, and it might have been you (can't scroll through the thread to pick it up at this time) this is a stressful process and people are inclined when under stress to voice their opinion rather forcefully. We don't know if that may have been the case when things started to unravel at the POE, do we? We simply do not know right now.

the ME forum has been quite differemt as most girls here have connected on a personal level and we offer support to each other

Well, I don't often enter the ME forum, so perhaps that's true, but there's a whole heck of a lot of support throughout this entire news group, and behind the scenes.
If this post is the reason you don't wish to participate on VJ, that's really a shame. As I've often been aware, some people like to see things that simply don't exist.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 18:23:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!


We weren't there to be able to say if he was denied any rights. How can you know that he asked for a translator prior to any questioning that ensued? I believe, if memory serves me well from goldenheart's post, her fiancé asked for a translator when he was presented form I860 to sign. That was afterwards, as far as I can see. If there was any impropriety occured, the immigration attorney may be able to enquire and investigate that, but right now we simply do not know from the details shared.

I think, in the interest of not casting a slant on this, it's best that we not begin to play the "prejudice" card. :)



Based on the events described, I would say he definitly denied rights and so was the USC!!! I am not playing a prejudice card on this at all nor am I putting any kind of slant on it, as a matter of fact, I think you are the one putting the slant on it. You have posted about knowing the visa options, justifying the actions of the POE, etc. This girl obviously came here for support, I"m sure she is aware of the mistake her fiance made, and to wonder of the choice she made over a fiance or marriage visa is pointless now.

When I choose to go the fiance visa route, it was because at the time I made that decision it was the fastest way to go. Well things changed, I did my research, but I can't control the events that happen beyond that.

ON ANOTHER NOTE: (I was not going to say this, but after I saw Jean's comment about not coming back to VJ, I'm gonna speak up)

If this happened to my fiance, I'm not sure I would post anything regarding it on VJ due to the lack of support I have been seeing here lately. There are several people that no longer come to this forum, it has completly died down. There are certain people here that are extremely supportive and I think we all know who they are. There are some people here that just can't be happy for anyone else. The bottom line is that when someone is going through the kind of pain that goldenheart and her fiance are dealing with now, just be supportive. Plain and simple.


First of all, I don't know if you are referring to me, and since I don't like to make assumptions, then I'll ask. Are you suggesting that I have not been supportive?
This is a lesson learnt the hard way fro goldenheart and her beloved, but a reminder to those who are possibly facing a similar process to know what "can" happen. In this regard, it is important to note that in atypical situations, or rather, in cases where there are cultural differences involved (note I did not refer simply to religion) then all issues should be reviewed before making a step. Were this forum simply a place for people to post their experience, for posterity sake, rather than as information to arm or inform others, then I've wasted my membership.

The "prejudice" was first mentioned by you here:

There are many others that do the job with no prejudice whatsoever. POE officers are not above the Embassy.


and earlier, when you stated that the POE seemed intent on rejecting goldenheart's fiancé, as if there were no reason for their reaction.

I'm not defending the POE agent at all, I'm quoting that regulations prohibit them from permitting an entrant to the USA who is married and holding a fiancé visa.

In so far as this statement is concerned:

If the embassy and the DOS have determined that the relationship is valid and have completed all the backround checks, then the person should not be interrogatted at the POE. That is what all those months of waiting are for. He made a simple mistake, I'm sure he was nervous as any of our fiances could have been. Regardless of what Islam says about getting married or engaged or if she filed for a K-1 or K-3 or CR1 why should that matter. They went through the appropriate channels.


A visa is valid for a particular period of time. After visa issuance, technically, there is nothing that could prohibit an alien from marrying his or her intended spouse in his or her country and entering the country on the fiancé visa, EXCEPT that regulations prohibit it. Yes, indeed, this OP did follow protocol, but that doesn't mean that there aren't others that might do such a thing. After all, there is ample time between visa issuance and entry that would permit an alien, who was so motivated to do something like that. Does that mean that even though the alien followed the prescribed procedure with the Embassy, that the matter should be left alone? Or that the POE has no right to do his or her job?

I think you are making more of this than need be.

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 01 June 2006 - 06:03 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 18:00:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!
We weren't there to be able to say if he was denied any rights. How can you know that he asked for a translator prior to any questioning that ensued? I believe, if memory serves me well from goldenheart's post, her fiancé asked for a translator when he was presented form I860 to sign. That was afterwards, as far as I can see. If there was any impropriety occured, the immigration attorney may be able to enquire and investigate that, but right now we simply do not know from the details shared.

I think, in the interest of not casting a slant on this, it's best that we not begin to play the "prejudice" card. :)
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 17:26:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!
There is a moral to this event, and that is to investigate your options carefully and thoroughly to be prepared for any potential pitfalls and consider the pros and cons of expedience versus security if there are particular details to one's case that might make it atypical. I'd like to add one more point for the benefit of goldenheart's fiancé, should he read this forum. He and goldenheart are probably more than appropriately dashed at what has happened. It occurred, due to a mistake, perhaps in goldenheart's fiancé's morality it wasn't a mistake at all, but in the eyes of this government it precluded his entry on the visa he was carrying. In all due fairness to him, however, I think he has enough on his plate that he should not reproach himself for what has happened. The POE agents are trained to be able to identify situations that might suggest improper documentation for the entrant's purpose. It could well be that the agent had seen the file in the computer, where a waiver had been requested. How can we know with any certainty what transpired? It could be that the agent put 2 + 2 together and began a line of questioning that created the circumstance for goldenheart's fiancé to answer as he did. This situation then precipitated a greater tragedy.

The best that they can do is to work together to consult with an immigration expert who is experienced in involuntary departure/expedited removal at POE, and see what, if any, options there are to resolve this as quickly and as painlessly as possible. Best of luck! :)
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 17:07:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

I'm sorry, fiance, wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever, they had no right to do what they did to him as far as deporting him and not giving him a translator. Many men call their fiances wifes, and many women call their fiances husbands. He came to marry her anyway, so what was the big deal? This is very unfortunate and very unfair to both parties involved. This is a great hardship on both of them and my heart goes out to them. This can happen to any of us, regardless of the fiance/wife thing. Maybe they would find another way to pick on our husbands or wives entering the U.S. Unbelievable!


While I agree it has placed goldenheart's case in a complicated position, it's not so unbelievable, and if you consider the purpose of a K-1 visa, then you should understand how a little "trip up" like this can occur. He was deported, yes, due to not understanding the Form 869 (?) but his expedited removal was a result of his mistake. I'm sensitive to the stress that goldenheart and her fiancé are under, and it is terribly sad to see, but they had options and chose K-1. Unfortunately, according to islam custom, perhaps that was not the route that was most appropriate for them. It's just sad all the way around, but through no real fault of the POE agent. He or she was doing their job.
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 13:55:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!
:lol: :lol: to meauxna!

In all fairness, I don't think it had anything to do with a lack of understanding on the part of the POE agent, but rather on the OP's fiancé. It's unfortunate, but that's the facts.

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 01 June 2006 - 12:58 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 12:57:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

UPDATE::

Yasin faxed his deportation papers to me and the reason for deportation is the fact that Yasin told them that I was his muslim wife "a big no-no". The CBP thought that we were committing fraud because he had a K1 visa. In Islam, I am in fact consider his wife among the community, but legally I do not have any documentations of this. I would have petition the K3 visa versus the K1, but one of the requirements for the K3 is a legal document of marriage or a marriage license, which I do not have neither. Last year, I went to the mosque and told the Imam that my K1 visa petion was denied because I had not met my fiance face-to fae. He told me that it was unislamic for me to met him without a chaperone. At that tiime, I did not have a chaperone to go with me. Therefore, I made an agreement in front of 4 witnesses, with Yasin on the telephone that I agree to marry him and vice-versa. After this verbal agreement the Imam told me that I was free to travel and do as I wish with Yasin, because he is considered my husband.

When the CBP told Yasin that he was getting deported, he did understand the reasons and was very upset. I assume they gave him the options to deport himself without getting the 5 year banned and he refused because he did not understand why they were deporting him. He requested for them to call me or get him a translator to help him understand this entire mess. He was told, that his english was good enough, therefore they had no other options but to deport him, with a 5 year banned to the uSA. I wished t hey would have allowed him to call me or give him a translator. I even called the immigrations several times that day and beg for them to allow me to help and they told me that everything was fine and they did not have any problems with paper. They intentionally did not want me to help him.


I spoke to an attorney and she said that it is an unfortunate event, because my fiance did not understand that wife in his contry means something different in our country. The word fiance is "greek" to him. The attorney said that she will try to help us, but she can't promise to left the 5 year ban. :crying: :crying: :crying:

Please keep us in your prayers.


Wow! Just what I asked in my PM to you the other day, goldenheart. That's unfortunate. At least now you know what your course of action will be with the immigration attorney. Keep your chin up :)
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-01 10:10:00
Middle East and North AfricaYESTERDAY MY HONEY SHOULD ARRIVE, but he did not!!!!

But you have to figure out why they would give him a five year ban and why they would refuse him an interpreter



A five year bar can be the consequence of "expedited removal" that has a similar affect as if found inadmissible by an IJ. See INA §212(a)(9)(A) and INA §235( -b )(1). Aliens subject to removal are inadmissible to the United States for a period of five (5) years or twenty (20) years for a second or subsequent removal or after conviction of an aggravated felony. A waiver would be necessary to enter before the five year period has elapsed, unless one can clearly demonstrate that something is amiss with the whole situation.

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 30 May 2006 - 10:39 AM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-05-30 10:38:00
Middle East and North AfricaVISA DENIED 2ND TIME!!!

I meant there is more to tell about my situation. Nothing that would be of importance in the forum. Not hers. And yes she is seeking professional help. I don't see why you tell me I should not post about her. I am not playing games with anyones life.

Now that you have clarified that the "more" that was not disclosed pertains to your case, I'm sure no one would take issue with it, and I'm taking a huge leap of faith to suggest that I doubt Meauxna would have either (sorry, Mo), but the point is, "Do you see how one little word can change the outcome or people's reaction?" Perhaps you can adopt this thinking when you are ready to vouch for someone else's "clearly approvable case" when you were not in attendance, or comment the way cases are processed, CO's reactions, responses from members etc. It may seem harsh but it's the truth in the world of immigration.

I could say more, but I am so weary in all of this banter which amounts to nothing but petty remarks that help no one here at all.

I take exception to this comment, also. Petty? Like we all have nothing better to do than to waste bandwidth and our time with trivialities! I, for one, have spent more time on this thread than any other. If that's your appreciation for someone trying to help another understand the process, perhaps my time would be better spent elsewhere. Further, you may not perceive any comments placed on this thread as helpful, but I certainly would refrain from representing the entire VJ community's opinions, with your "remarks that help no one here" I've learned from this thread, as I suspect others have as well.

My anger is not towards anyone, not even the CO. My anger is towards a system that does not work. If you feel it works then you are certainly entitled to your opinion. I just disagree.

The system may work very well, even in Casa, as is evidenced here by other's success. Perhaps it would be better to express it as the system is cumbersome when one's case has specific needs and irregularities. I'd be willing to go along with a comment like that!

Edited by diadromous mermaid, 23 June 2006 - 03:34 PM.

diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-23 15:33:00
Middle East and North AfricaVISA DENIED 2ND TIME!!!

Oh brother! Chiquita, you wanted to have the law cited, and here you are questioning it. USCIS handles the petitioner's request for a visa to be issued to his/her immediate relative beneficiary. USCIS reviews the request and if evidence demonstrates that the beneficiary indeed has an immediate relative relationship with the petitioner, the petition is approved. Period.

Next stage is DOS, a completely different process involving different eligibility requirements, but related and dependent upon an approved petition by USCIS. They have their own set of criterion to meet. The "Immediate relative" beneficiary (already established that the legal union exists, but what is not decided is *why* and for *what purpose* it was entered into). DOS then takes it from there.

I AM LEARNING THIS...


My point, and perhaps that of others is that this is not the preferred stage at which anyone should be learning. This is basic.

What I would like to say is >>>>

WHY DOSEN'T THE GOVERNEMENT TELL US ALL THIS STUFF????

How did I learn it, how did others? The information is out there, if you are willing to do the research,

3 hoops to jump through!!! why are we criminals until proveb innocent?

I'm not inclined to consider them hoops, as you call them. They are processes. If something becomes a hoop that one has to jump through, it suggests that the circumstances are not the norm.

The "why" is because we love each other!

The "what purpose" si we want to be together!

How difficult is that to understand?


Not at all difficult to understand, but the onus is on both of you to demonstrate that.


I'd like to clarify something in the fairness of all that have spent time participating in this thread, and admittedly, I have not re-read each of the 11 pages, but I think to the best of my recollection that the majority of the posts in this thread have not been offering advice that a member in the ME/NA should follow, but rather it's been a case reiterating the protocols defined in the DOS and USCIS regulations and of offering possible explanations for why things might have occurred the way they have. There is a distinction, and I know that most VJ members refrain from directing others to do what they are not qualified to do.

And I hesitate to agree that any of that which has been offered is "misguided". That's a stretch, don't you think? Or if you don't and matters are entirely different in this region of the world, then would it be fair to state that what works here, doesn't work elsewhere? In that regard, wouldn't it also be prudent to bear that in mind when participating in threads that pertain to other areas of the world? I don't think one can adopt one point of view, in one instance, and then disregard it in another.



FINALLY!

THANK YOU!

This is the biggest problem of all>>>>

Saying waht worked here will work there...


I'm not meaning to appear condescending, Chiquita, because I say this with all sincereity, but there is a comprehension problem. You appear to see what you wish to see. You appear to ignore the obvious, and perhaps, just perhaps, this is why things appear to you to be less than straightforward. My comment above was not at all worded to refer to the recommendations in this thread, but rather to your own words! YOU claim that all is different in the ME/NA world of consular reviews. I'm not going to challenge that opinion, because I can neither prove nor refute that, but what I concluded is, and I repeat to make sure you clearly understand me..."If procedures are different within the consulate with which you are working, and those who are not dealing with that consulate cannot and should not offer boilerplate advice or suggestions that work elsewhere because that will not and has not worked, then by all means consider that when offering advice to others elsewhere" ;)
diadromous mermaidFemale02006-06-23 09:52:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General Discussiontimelines for removing conditions for divorced applicants
QUOTE (gabrielarad @ Jul 5 2008, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (mooninlove @ Jul 5 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For those who are asking for a timeline of Divorced applicants, here's my timeline during my I-751 stage.I hope it helps!

August 2006- I-751 waiver application
August '06- Bio received & appointment done
January 2007- RFE received
Feb 2007- Card received

Overall, it was 6 months and days...

MOONINLOVE, first of all CONGRATULATIONS !!! So, you filed on your own, you are divorced. How long after you received the Temporary Green Card did you get the divorce? Were you called for an interview after you sent the I751 or not?



Interviews are scheduled for some divorced applicants for a number of reasons, the most popular beinf, if the prima facie evidence appears scant. Rather than ask questions of others whose cases might be quite different from yours, do you think you provided sufficient evidence? Are there any peculiarities in your case that we should be aware of?
diadromous mermaidFemale02008-07-05 18:29:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionLifting conditions
QUOTE (mrsking @ Jul 26 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi this is me again, Our divorce just final a few days ago, and I been collecting some documents now for lifting of my status, and I have only the following documents, 1 year tax return ( both in our name ), 3 credit cards statement in my name with married name on it, Drivers license, Divorce decree, 14 pages of photos of us together and Holiday cards that was sent to us by the member of the family, I am not on his house name his planning to put it but we are already divorce even on the utility bills and electric bills my name was not there either.

My ex-husband said that he will help me to get my citizenship and through this he said all he can do is to make an affidavit notirize by him that we married in good faith and we stay together in a one house, and he can ask also some of his employee like his secretary to make an affidavit saying that we stay in a one house. Do you think it will help if he make an affidavit?

Hope everybody here can help me what other else I can do, Is it enough evidence that we stayed together and married in good faith or not yet? what else I can do?


Bank accounts?
Yes to the affidavit from your USC ex-spouse. His testimony as to the legitimacy of the marriage carries more weight than anyone's.
diadromous mermaidFemale02008-07-26 16:05:00
Removing Conditions on Residency General DiscussionLifting conditions
QUOTE (Old Dominion @ Jul 25 2008, 09:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (mrsking @ Jul 25 2008, 08:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi this is me again, Our divorce just final a few days ago, and I been collecting some documents now for lifting of my status, and I have only the following documents, 1 year tax return ( both in our name ), 3 credit cards statement in my name with married name on it, Drivers license, Divorce decree, 14 pages of photos of us together and Holiday cards that was sent to us by the member of the family, I am not on his house name his planning to put it but we are already divorce even on the utility bills and electric bills my name was not there either.

My ex-husband said that he will help me to get my citizenship and through this he said all he can do is to make an affidavit notirize by him that we married in good faith and we stay together in a one house, and he can ask also some of his employee like his secretary to make an affidavit saying that we stay in a one house. Do you think it will help if he make an affidavit?

Hope everybody here can help me what other else I can do, Is it enough evidence that we stayed together and married in good faith or not yet? what else I can do?



Probably notarized affidavits about the marriage from three close friends, including his secretary if she had personal knowledge, would be best. His affidavit probably won't mean a lot....

On the contrary, HIS affidavit means everything!
diadromous mermaidFemale02008-07-26 16:07:00