Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Complicated k1 process	You make a great point. And I bet they will ask tricky questions like that! Good luck! Yes, they will and they have.. People, from posts I've read here on these forums, have absolutely been denied for incorrectly responding to those kinds of questions as well as denied for having a fake wedding.. I believe Brasil is one of the Consulates thats kinda of dificult to deal with.. It's funny when people jump up and down about how much rights they have then they realize none of that stuff matters when they're facing a CO who's fixin to deny thier petition and they're wishing they had thought diferently at that point... you and I both want to desperately be with our significant others. Sooo don't assume you can have any kind of ceremony and do anything that would jeopardize the petition.. If you feel they might say something due to some evidence you amy have submitted, then consider how your going to vigorously defend yourself and and look prepared to respond to any accusations durring the Interview.. I would begin gathering affidavits and any other evidence from relative showing those were simply a party for the benefit of your fiancee's family.. If they do eventually deny your petition, then you'll have no choice but to do a real ceremony and then apply for the spousal visa.. I considered doing the same thing for my fiancee last year.. But then realized it would've been a huge mistake...In my case. a wedding in Colombia was not an option.. They would not take my birth certificate. Colombia required a birth certificate that is no more than 90 days old.. That is next to impossible for me to get since I was born in Germany 46 years ago. So if I was stuck in that kind of situation, I would be in a real dilima with no way to petition for a fiancee and no way to get married... It would really ruin my day much less my life. Good Luck... Edited by kennym, 19 September 2010 - 04:03 PM.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-19 16:02:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Complicated k1 process	" Both the U.S. citizen and the K-1 visa applicant must have been legally free to marry at the time the petition was filed and must have remained so thereafter. The marriage must be legally possible according to laws of the U.S. state in which the marriage will take place." We both are. REQUIREMENTS FOR K-1 VISA You must be a U.S. citizen. You have met your Fiancee in person within the previous two years. Both you and your Fiancee are legally free to marry. You meet certain minimum income requirement*. Your Fiancee does not have a criminal record. Your Fiancee has not violated U.S. immigration laws check, check, check, check, check and check. Great, You know those things to be true, and we beleive you, just make sure the CO believes you... I know how important this is and I know you feel the same way.. I'm hoping I'm nearing the end of my journey as well.. Just to give you an example, I've told my fiancee not to even joke about being husband an wife in front of her family friends and strangers.. We have worked hard to prepare ourselves for trick questions like, "CO says: where does your husband work? fiancee says: I'm not married !! " We're taking no chances... Best wishes... I seriously hope it all works out without any complications for all of us... Edited by kennym, 18 September 2010 - 06:53 PM.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-18 18:52:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Complicated k1 process	oh yes, I know what you mean. And of course this visa is important to me, we have been in a relationship for almost 6 years. It's just that, we are NOT married civilly... We are not lying to them, we are not doing anything wrong. We had a celebration, and that's all. They will ask if we are married, and the answer is no, because we aren't married, maybe married under God, but I don't think that matters to them. And of course I won't mention we had a ceremony. What matters is that we aren't married legally, which we are not. And also, I'm sure it would be very easy to prove I am not legally married. I know this is serious stuff, and I am taking this seriously, trust me. This is the man I have been dating since I was in high school! This visa not being approved it's not an option for us, and I don't see why it wouldn't be. It's not like our relationship is fraudulent. Thank you so much for your reply and advice. Just be careful. If you need to prove your not married, start thinking about how you're going to do that.. In my small way of thinking, I'm not sure it's possible to prove you're not married, especially in the interview.. You may feel the burden of proof that you are married is on them, but I wouldn't depend on that.. Once they make a judgement call, your gonna have a heck of time trying to convince them otherwise.. Just be prepared especially if you've submitted any evidence that might make them think you're married like photos of the ceremony, be prepared to fight your case at the interview... My suggestion is to not give them any impression that you had a ceremony, or that you're married under god.. Let's face it, once the Counselor Officer makes up his mind, you're fighting an uphill battle..	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-18 13:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Complicated k1 process	I don't think we will be denied because of this... as long as I can prove we didn't legally get married in Brasil. What reason could they possibly have to deny someone that had a wedding? What would they allege? Oh you shouldn't have had a wedding before having the visa? Why? It's not like it would make a difference at all if you think about it. There's really nothing against it on the K1 visa rules and requisites. Thanks for your reply! Your missing the part about you both need to be free to marry.. It is a requirement for the K1 Visa.. That means you cannot be married prior to recieving the K1 and entering the US on the K1 Visa.. So, if the Officer at your interview or any immigation officer simply "thinks" you're married, your K1 will be denied.. or you could be denied at POE (possibly). This is very serious stuff.. Be super careful not to jeopardize your chances of a succesful K1 Visa... If this visa is important to you, you should understand the rules and be very concientious to ensure there is no appearance of anything to the contrary.. Edited by kennym, 18 September 2010 - 11:49 AM.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-18 11:47:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Help! Which forms do I need to fill out for my K1 visa interview in a few weeks	Hello Not sure for your Embassy, But typically DS230 for each Applicant, DS156, DS156K, I-134 is typical for most embassies, You will need to check on the Embassy Website for your particular case.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-19 14:53:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	6 Months til we get married-K1?	Thanks for the reply. Our wedding is already planned and so unfortunately that isnt an option for us. What happens if we file the K1 and have not received it and go through with our wedding? Can we file a Marriage Visa after that? If you plan for the alternate, just keep in mind when you re-file for the Spousal Visa, you will be effectively re-starting the clock again.. You're almost certain that you're not going to make that date.. You likely can get married in the USA if you enter on a VWP, but you will be required to wait for the Spousal Visa in Canada and not with your Spouse.. You cannot enter the US on a VWP with the intent of Immigrating. That will create serious problems for you and your spouse and possible result in a ban. Are you sure you want the headaches of complicating your petition simply because you cant plan for the K1 waiting time? I would seriously reconsider your plans or simply plan to do a Spousal Visa instead after you get married..	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-18 11:27:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS - NVC : how long?	Kenny, yeah I know it's not the visa per se. It was just the petition, yes. I will be calling them soon, thank you! When I call, should I just give them my case number at USCSIS? Thank you everyone for taking the time to reply. Brasil they can find your petition with the USCIS Case Number... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-22 09:58:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS - NVC : how long?	I jsut received an e-mail saying our visa has been approved and that they mailed NOA2 Hello You recieved the petition approval correct? It really isn't the VISA Approval... That will come after your interview... It will take anywhere from 1-2 weeks to get to Embassy.. However, NVC will have it pretty quick.. It was less than 3 days for me.. I did not wait for the NOA2 to arrive.. I called NVC about 5 days after getting the email notification and they had already sent my case to Bogota... Give NVC 5 days, then call... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-21 21:20:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Wedding Plans...	You shouldn't be making any plans that you can't change.. Everyone who submits the Petition for K1 is in the same boat.. This process creates a diferent set of problems that you wouldnt have if you dated a local girl.. You just need to understand those problems and deal with it.. So, in our case, our wedding will likely be at the courthouse followed by a party at some friends house... We plan to do something much nicer and more formal at a later date... This is simply the reality of the K1 Process.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-25 03:54:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I134 - Question #2	Maybe my question wasn't so clear.. I don't know if I should put the date of the first time we entered the US? (i was 2 or 3 years old) or should I put the day I was born since it was on a US Military Base? (1964) Or should I put the date of the last time my family entered the US in 1974? (I was 6 years old) Not sure if I'm making to much of this question, but I never considered the fact I was a military dependant and we were often stationed oversees, as being a factor.. Any thoughts would be helpful.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-30 22:46:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I134 - Question #2	All We were born in Nuremburg Germany. As children, our father was active duty military and we often returned to US for short durations, then we moved again oversees a couple of times as kids. I do have a certificate of citizenship, Original Copy in hand. How is this item on the I134 properly answered? "have resided in the United States Since". Also, I was on a project outside of the US from Nov 2007 - Apr 2010, and although I maintained a residence in the US, is this also a factor in answering this question? Thanks all.. Just want to make sure I answer this absolutely correctly...	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-30 20:00:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Expidite/ caregiver needed?	As is always the case, my first response with the correct answer was not in any way belittling or insulting. Gary. Its not about how correct your answer is. I find you know your stuff. Its how you deliver your answer. I never saw the op argue with anyone about thier replies, the only issue I saw was the belittling. I hope you really give this some thought rather than get defensive. You have lots of valuable answers. But the benefit is diminished with the tone of your posts. Kenny Edited by kennym, 01 October 2010 - 06:32 AM.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-10-01 06:30:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Expidite/ caregiver needed?	I put much weight into Gary's knowledge and opinions here on VJ - when you get time - please review http://www.visajourn...on-information/ Note the author, the interviewer, and the interviewee. Good Luck ! Darnell, You're right, and I completely agree up to about 90%.. But, there are times when the belittling is un-called-for. I think the OP's question (even though it will likely get denied) is a good one for thought when you consider reasons other expedites are approved.. It's a good discussion. Unfortunately (not to un-commonly here on VJ) it simply got derailed because of un-needed insults.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-10-01 00:18:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Expidite/ caregiver needed?	Boy do I hate to see this kinda treatment of decent people posting legitimate questions.. I don't think the point is how much anyone knows, or who turns out to be right it is about arrogance.. It is possible to reply and make your point, without being a jerk Legitimate questions shouldn't be met with ridicule.. Gary, you've had some wonderful advise on here, but sometimes, your replies are just insulting.. To me, some people feel they can come on VJ or other forums and throw their attitude around becuase they can hide behind thier computer, but no one deserves to be treated disrespectfully no matter what you think about the question or how little you feel they know. There isn't a single person on this thread that should feel they can be arrogant and rude to others.. I see this kind of response often from many on VJ and it's really ashame we cant simply answer a legitimate question without trying to belittle the OP for asking.. sometimes you just wonder if the replies on here are from grown-ups... This is a public forum, unless this forum is your little toy, people should be able to post their questions without the pointless feedback. Edited by kennym, 01 October 2010 - 12:04 AM.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-10-01 00:01:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I 129 F Mailed	Thanks to all of you here at VJ. YOur advice and help was very much appreciated. I mailed my application yesterday, 9/8/10, via express service but apparently there is a forwarding address for the Lewisville, TX 75067. Will keep you informed of the progress. Great! Good Luck... Trinidad? I just got back from there... was there for 3 years... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-10 19:09:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Do you have to use it right away?	Guys, I would give this serious thought.. You could jeopardize a lot.. As you realize this was a mistake to make these kinds of plans prior to the visa issuance, I would just re-iterate to anyone else doing the same thing, to not commit to any plans until after the visa is issued.. Good luck...	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-08-28 10:47:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Do you have to use it right away?	Unfortunately we were told some months back that they send you something separate from the visa, and you attach it when you're ready. And unfortunately, we just booked a honeymoon in the Dominican. Non-refundable. The honeymoon trip? I am wondering if that was a smart thing to do... Let us know how that works... Hopefully that won't completely mess up your K1 visa.. I don't know if I would have done that, but that's just me,,, Can you postpone it, for lets say 12 months... for the K1, You do know you need to be married in the US don't you?	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-08-27 23:54:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	i need advice	Congratulations on your new found love.. Just take time and read the guides, and remember this process is not as warm and welcoming as us VJ'rs.. You are new to the process so start gathering your evidense.. If you aren't yet married consider the which visa suits you and your current plans... Get aquanted with requirements both the K1 and CR1/IR1 so when you make your descision, you'll know what you need to do for your petition.. Be prepared to show proof of meeting in person for the K1 or if you get married, be prepared to show proof of a legitimate relationship.. Since this is a new relationship, start gathering these things right away... I would plan on meeting more during the waiting time for the Visa, to continue to gather proof. Gets lots of photos and start keeping call records, receipts of your trips, Passport stamps and so forth.. Good Luck... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-27 22:04:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Age gap?	Damn you guys are funny... Luv it!!	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-09-27 21:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	K-1	Hi Guys, I see few people got NOA2 for July 29, 2010, I am surprised I haven't gotten yet since I filed in July 2010. My file was touched on October 3, 2010, but not updated yet. So I don't know what USCIS is upto and when should I expect NOA2?? Any tips?? Thanks a million ! Hey SuperCool... Have you looked ahead at the next steps? After NOA2? Are you getting your Federal Tax Returns ready? W-2s? Employment Letter? Divorce Decrees? Birth Certificates? How about your Fiancee, has she studied packet 3? Packet 4? Vaccines? Birth Certificate? Divorce Decrees? Police Records? Print the DS230, and start filing it out, as well as the I-134 and DS156, DS156K, study the Embassy's website for all items unique to India and start joining the regional forums for India.. These things will keep you busy and before you realize, your NOA2 will show up, then you're ready for Packet 3 fairly quickly... Best of Luck on your Journey... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-06 00:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	"I'm a 43 year-old woman that was married 20 years" Sorry, but that wasn't so apparent from your prior posts.. But now we know, thanks..	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-05 20:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Really?? Wow...such insight, such encouragement, such wisdom.....There Kenny, is that what you are after? It sure seems like it. I'm not too sure why you keep repeating yourself like no one has ever thought of any of the things you've mentioned nor couples haven't weighed out all the 'irrational' dreams (as you lay them out to be). I speak for myself; I'm a 43 year-old woman that was married 20 years. I know what love feels like. I'm not a giddy teenager living in the clouds. What annoys me is your pathetic posts of repetition gain all the attention and the main reason I'm on here....to get sound advice to avoid mistakes - gets lost with posts by others equally frustrated at your mission to create doubt, when NO ONE in their right mind would pursue this difficult process without FIRST asking everything you think is ground-breaking 'Kenny' knowledge. I'm sure there is another 'newbie' out there that you could sprinkle with your compassionate approach - I think we've all heard enough. In other words....point made, and it's grown dull. It seems like everyone felt this was absolute rubbish pdmacca.. Thanks for the acknowledgment.. But as I said, this advise is clearly not for you since your not open to it, it's for others... And the fact is, you were willing to commit to someone you never met.. My point is for those who had considered that a good idea, and clearly you are angry because now it's starting to make sense and rather than accepting it, you're putting your devilish spin.. Nice Tactic... Look PDMACCA, you are getting very defensive for someone who is simply offering some advice, not to just you but to anyone who would consider making a bad move.. And, you continued to re-inforce your feelings that is the thing to do and tell me how stupid I was for offering sensible advise.. You don't have to like it, you did post your question on a "public internet forum" or did you not realize that? Others will read this beside you, or did you not realize that? the intent is for others to learn from this as well, or did you not realize that? "Really?? Wow...such insight, such encouragement, such wisdom..." seems like a childish response to someone else trying to make a point as well... If you dont want to hear other opinions then don't, but you do realize this is the internet dont you? Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-05 20:54:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	I hope it's okay if I butt in on my thread. But....I thought that the following definition might help clear up the reasons for your assumptions: e·go·cen·tric (g-sntrk, g-)adj.1. Holding the view that the ego is the center, object, and norm of all experience.2. a. Confined in attitude or interest to one's own needs or affairs.b. Caring only about oneself; selfish.3. Philosophy a. Viewed or perceived from one's own mind as a center.b. Taking one's own self as the starting point in a philosophical system. Probably one of my biggest pet peeves in life.....thank you again for giving me yet ANOTHER reason to love Paul. All of these responses that have nothing to do with the goal of obtaining the Visa (of course I'm not talking about my defenders either ), are simply confirmations to all of us that have found a lasting love - that we need to be so thankful for them because there are still shallow people lurking in every corner. I love you Paul!! In fact, Paul read your responses and considers it completely silly to even entertain such fallacies with a response. pdmacca I'm certainly not naive enough to think that someone who feels that they're madly in-love would take any sound advice and take the time to really get to know someone before jumping into any kinds of comitment.. It is entirely your call and for everyone else who reads these threads as well.. The results of your descision will be yours and only yours to deal with as with anyone else considering a K1 visa or any relationship, domestic or foriegn. The advise given is simply that "advise". No one will fault you for jumping in with both feet.. Millions of people do it, why not you? however, millions fail, and a few, have wonderful romantic stories to share later with thier kids.. living on cliches and hyperbolies can be romantic but not real practical and not safe.. So, we actually expect most people that feel they can fall in-love over the internet to not be open to sensible ideas and advise, and certainly, we know it's not possible they will listen to anything contrary. But our advise can reach those that still have a little rationale remaining and result in others reading this thread to be thoughtful about all the things that a relationship needs to prosper.. For you Mrs pdmacca, It's great if it works out.. and I seriously hope you and Paul have a great visit and you really turn out to be "LUCKY" like jill and her man, lucky to have found the right person over the internet... It's a one-in-a-million shot, but who knows, you guys could be that "one".. For the rest of the people of sound mind and judgement, hopefully they will take time to meet, and get to really know someone before commiting to a K1, marriage, kids and life.. There are a lot of things at stake, especially when doing a visa.. VAWA, integrity, Future Visas, Finacial Considerations, just to name a few. So the sound thinker must evaluate all those factors before making any comitments. It's serious business.. with lots at stake and not the least of which is emotional well being.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-05 20:03:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	yes she is, but I'm a much luckier man!!	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-05 01:02:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	I'm very sad... I just arrived at the Hotel in Seatle, and was anxious to see any messages from all my fans, but nothing... I was hoping for more dialogue on how to have a relationship and hopefully teach you all some more relationship stuff, but nobody here... Ok, I'll wait.. Sweet dreams everyone... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-05 00:07:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	At it again, Kenny? lol...	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-04 20:38:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Kristy... I think we are living the same life! I too was in an unhappy marriage for 14 years. Best of luck to you! Me, 11 Years,,, Then I parked a U-Haul Truck in front of our rent house, paid 4 guys to load all her stuff, and drive it to her folks house 200 miles away.. It was one of the sadest days of my life. But I tried everything to make it work.. I cried for weeks, Today, thinking back, it's the best thing I ever did.. I have long since forgottern about her and have the best fiancee in the world... even better than yours.. ok that's a joke please dont get mad... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-04 20:31:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Everyone who says you can fall in love without meeting someone, Some people go to Vegas and win huge.. most loose, so which one would you advise, risk everything and go to Vegas and hope to strike it big? or do it the old, time-tested method and work hard, save, budget, and plan? Those of you saying it can happen are just wanting to believe in things that are dangerous bets.. It's dangerous because of the concequences and what you have to loose.. Sure, some do it, and some succeed, like "Vegas", but it's not smart and would not advise anyone to do it... There are a lot more to the relationship to finishing sentences and feeling the fuzzies, and smart people don't gamble like that when all you have to do is take the time to get to know someone... The lost can be too big.. It's nice when you can tell people that it's the way you fell in love... IT's soo romantic... I think the reason everyone is beating me up so bad, is they want to beleive this stuff works for many reasons, and would like to beleive in the stories of long distance romance, but ladies, your cases are not the normal and I wouldn't suggest that you tell people that it works... I know where you can buy ocean front property in Arizona, just send me a check... Kenny Edited by kennym, 04 November 2010 - 07:54 PM.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-04 19:49:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Gemmie, Great, you don't have to read it.. I was replying to your posts and still trying to understand how your prior posts relate to meeting in person... I gave my 2 cents worth and created a pointless firestorm.. My advise is sound and based on my experience.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-04 14:08:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Thanks all.. I wasn't being judgemental, I was stating how USCIS would Look at it... My Original Statement was something like this... ( Just in case you missed it ) You are in love with someone you've never met.. How is that even possible? Thats the question everyone is going to ask you.. The USCIS, the Embassy, the POE... Unfortunately, I don't have time for circular arguments.. So, for those who have nothing better to do, go for it.. I gave some advise, I know the op didn't request it, but never the less, I gave it.. It's just my nature.. I still love you guys... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-04 13:59:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	What does Cinderella and fairy tales have to do with this? These relationships ARE real life. We DO live in the real world. I wanted to talk to my then-boyfriend so much that when everything was going to cr@p at home, and I had no internet or phone, I would stand outside a library at night in the freezing cold just for the chance that I could get a computer and talk to him. I quit a job that said I couldn't see him at Christmas. I travelled 6 hours to replace a missing passport the day before my flight so I could still see him. I packed all of my things and moved across the world because I wanted to be with him. All of that is real life, and not to mention that in the 'real world' divorce and marital breakdown is running rampant anyway, so perhaps conventional relationships are missing that special something. So just because you can't understand how two people can feel that way about each other when they've never met before, don't judge others. Hello Gemmie.. Your story is a wonderful story about sacrifice and doing whatever it took to be with your Significant other.. I am not sure how you compared my statements to your situation.. What you did is what most people in-love would do.. I've always felt my relationship was the most important thing in my life... What I am going to say next will knock most of you off your chair and everyone will send me nasty responses, but here it is.. "Butterflies and Strong Desires" doesn't result in a lasting relationhsip... It's a good start, but other stuff also needs to be there to fortify the relationship. Compatiblty has a lot to do with how two people think and act in the less than perfect situations. Those situations cant be evaluated without spending time together.. So, that said, don't you see the diference between your sitation and the Original Posters Situation? You felt like you just had to be with your fiancees, and she didn't want to because she couldn't handle the separation afterwards. That is not a good reason and can't possibly know how someone really is until you meet. I've known many wonderful (Absolutely Wonderful) people all over the world, but we weren't necessarily marriage marraige material, doesn't make her a bad person or me a bad person, just not compatible... I think it's wonderful and most of the stories you hear in this thread are heart warming about how people meet and feel something special. But the jury is still out on how that "feeling" relates to a Successful Relationship.. Sure all the butterflies are there and the desires, but when it comes down to the tough times and enduring long periods of hardship, are the butterflies still there and does BOTH members of the relationship contribute equally to getting through tough times? these are things you can't know until you've been together.. Anyone can say the right things and show the right emotions from 3000 miles away, but it's a diferent story when you live with someone day after day enduring all of lifes chalenges and realities. Then you realize what people are made of.. Those of you with the wonderful srories of how you met and felt immediately in-love, thats great, but really doesn't have a thing to do with what my point that the OP suggested she was in-love and never met.. The most dangerous relationship advise someone can give is to do it because it worked for me.. That's not rational, it's cool to say it, but it simply isn't sound advise.. Sound Advise is to take time to get to know someone before jumping into any serious commitments including the K-1.. How many times do we VJ'rs hear about K1 Applicants withdrawing thier petitions or cancelling the VISA because the Relationship failed.. If you would have advised them early on, they would have all said the same thing, "we are in love and we know we're in love".. K-1's Petitions are supposed to be for relationships that are already certain to get married.. We've seen here on VJ that isn't alway the case.. Some feel it's a try before you buy then if it doesn't work out, ship'm back.. It's true some relationships fail after a K-1 POE becuase of Homesickness, and that is a valid reason, but otherwise, K1 is not a "try before you buy" visa.. So that being said, the Relationship needs to be established before considering the K1 Petition.. If you review my Timeline, I Met Maritza 2 years before I proposed, then waited another year to start the K1 Paperwork.. I don't suggest that's for everyone, it was something we did that worked for us... Butterflies and "Knowing Your in-love" alone, simply does not result in life long relationships. Those are "time tested" and "Trial and Tribulation" tested to see how both partners work together to manage life.. The rest of it is absolutely cinderella and Fairy Tale stuff... It's irresposible and irrational, and if it's something any of you want to risk, more power to you... And I do remember reading that Cinderella was divorced months later..	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-04 12:00:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	So I guess that the fact that 7 years after I "fell in love" with Mathew online, I still get those exact same butterflies and the exact same feeling means that I'm not a rational person? Oh please. Keep your opinions to yourself and don't generalize everyone that feels differently as you as being "irrational". I don't need you, or anyone else to tell me that my love is real or that it's going to last. I didn't meet Mathew at all until November of 2008, roughly 5 years after I fell in love with him online. My feelings haven't changed whatsoever, except for intensifying. Would I want to be Cinderella and live in her fairytale? Heck yes, that chick had some awesome shoes!!! But other than that I'll take my real life over a fantasy any day. Prince Charming has got nothing over my husband. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OP, I know that this has been answered but just so that my post can be somewhat on topic, yes you need to meet in person. And just a word of advice--if you've got feelings half as strong as what Mathew and I had for each other the first time we met you may want to prepare yourself the most electrifying feeling you've ever had once you meet him. I still get those tingles when I think about that first visit. Good luck! 'Kayla*Mathew' You also imagining things I didn't say.. I also met my fiancee in much the same way everyone else. I ONLY SAID, to meet before deciding... Nothing else, And no I won't keep my Opinions to myself, Opinions are part of the forum.. They may not be helpful to everyone, but to some they might be.. Unless you're irrational... You can evaluate my posts and if its not helpful ignore it.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-03 17:25:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Focus on securing plenty of evidence on your trip.. Keep your plane tickets, take plenty of photos, start (if you havent already) saving evidence of your communications, phone calls, emails, etc... Did I mention, Take a lot of photos? and also, take lots of pictures...	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-03 16:16:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	This is just advise.. Marriage is a lifelong commitment... Not just "for the moment" commitment.. The factors that go into compatibilty cant be know until you've had time to really know someone.. I don't know how much time that is, it varies with everyone.. Don't get started on a battle of semantics.. There are to many people that believe they're in a fairy tale novel and that the rules of relationships don't apply to them... I should have kept my opinion to myself, but since you asked.. The Immigration process is based on these factors as well as others factors including fraud prevention.. I'm not a relationship expert, but everyone knows that "Love" can somewhat be powerful force that sometimes keeps us from thinking rationally.. If I see a couple making a normally bad descission, then I hope that I can say something that will cause them to think it through... It clearly appears that my advise is not very popular, but I really encourage anyone making rash descisions about anything to stop and think things through... Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-03 15:24:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Kenny, You're not in the relationships you are guessing or judging over. Do you follow people around here who met on vacation and say "Well, you only knew each other 7 days, so it's not real!!!!?" When I met Rob I KNEW. It was a slap in the face...it was sitting down and thinking OMG I should have waited for him before I was married. It is the fairy tale. It IS finding the person you're meant to be with, and it's above your reproach or judgements. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The poster asked if they had to meet in person. Yes, yes, YES you do. Even knowing Rob was "the one" before I met him in person, I still would not have married without meeting...perhaps from caution. I know how intense your feelings are right now, I've been there, but keep in mind that if it's worth it, it's worth the wait. I waited 3 years and married 2 weeks ago. Best choice ever. Dont mean to take this thread off into the weeds, but Rob and Jill, you're taking my post way out of context.. So maybe you just want to appear cute, but I didn't state any kinda time that someone needs to know each other after meeting.. My only point was, is "you can't be in-love without meeting someone.." You can be irrational and believe it's love, but that is not love.. So take my point and put whatever twist you want on it, but rational adults do not make these kinds of comitments until the relationship has taken its course.. The things that lead to true love are as individual as anything, and I did not attempt to define that... I only said you can't be in-love unless you've had time to meet someone.. I know that there are movies and fairytales and fantasy worlds that say diferent, but keep in mind, thats not reality.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-03 15:13:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Kenny, You're not in the relationships you are guessing or judging over. Do you follow people around here who met on vacation and say "Well, you only knew each other 7 days, so it's not real!!!!?" When I met Rob I KNEW. It was a slap in the face...it was sitting down and thinking OMG I should have waited for him before I was married. It is the fairy tale. It IS finding the person you're meant to be with, and it's above your reproach or judgements. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ The poster asked if they had to meet in person. Yes, yes, YES you do. Even knowing Rob was "the one" before I met him in person, I still would not have married without meeting...perhaps from caution. I know how intense your feelings are right now, I've been there, but keep in mind that if it's worth it, it's worth the wait. I waited 3 years and married 2 weeks ago. Best choice ever. My appologies,, everyone is correct, this is none of my business.. Best of luck.. Kenny	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-03 14:56:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Colin&Lori, Damian&Kelly, Very cool about your story, and for those who believe cinderella and other fairy tales are real life, more power to you.. for those in the real world, those relationships are NOT the norm and although I have no statistics, these relationships seemingly rarely last. I am talking about just normal rational behaivior.. Colin&Lori, Damian&Kelly, the jury is still out on your relationships just like it's still out on mine.. Those points are all rather irrelevant however, since the Visa requires you meet in person either way.. By the way, I wonder why that is.. Maybe the USCIS realizes that the relationships require more than just internet, letters and phone calls to build... Kenny Edited by kennym, 03 November 2010 - 10:23 AM.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-03 10:20:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just Beginning...Need my UK fiance' here yesterday.....	Hello everyone! My name is Dawn my fiance's name is Paul. I'm in the US and he is in the UK. Our ultimate goal is for him to move here. We know I have to file the 129 petition but would love for someone to let us know time-lines etc. We met online almost 4 mths ago and have not met in person; airfare tickets and knowing it would crush us to separate again. I suppose my question is, how much weight is put on meeting in person? Also, can he come here before the process is completed? Should he come on a tourist visa first to meet? Thank you so much for helping. Dawn Dawn you have got to think this thru... You are in love with someone you've never met.. How is that even possible? Thats the question everyone is going to ask you.. The USCIS, the Embassy, the POE... This process is lengthy, involved and very specific rules, designed to prevent fraud... You wont be able to get around the basic requirements? But ask yourself how you would consider marrying a person you've never met in-person... Nevermind the Visa Process Rules, there is a fundamental relationship issue that is being overlooked.. Kenny Edited by kennym, 03 November 2010 - 12:55 AM.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-03 00:50:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Just sent petition, what now?	Have your beneficiary start getting her Birth Certificates, and everything she'll need for the interview. You to. Start reviewing the requirements for P3. Relax and good luck Search for evidence for ur interview.	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-11-05 05:58:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Case Filing and Progress Reports	April 2010 K-1 VSC	Hey Ryna and Greeny - I'm with Carebear,, Best wishes for all still waiting.. Let's hope we all hear something soon..	kennym	Male	Colombia	2010-07-20 00:40:00