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Middle East and North AfricaSons and middle east culture
Thanks Henia, I appreciate your kind words. You also make some wonderful points. For me, just being with my husband and having enough of what we need will make me happy. I thank God everyday for what I have. So many others are suffering right now. I felt horrible when I did visit my husband's family in Jordan and some of his other family in Syria. They are trying to survive on their savings just to keep their family safe and away from the dangers in Iraq. I heard the things they are going through and wish I could have helped. They don't have a good opinion of our president, but when I explained the American health care system to them they actually felt sorry for Americans, lol.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-10 12:16:00
Middle East and North AfricaSons and middle east culture
Henia,

Thankyou for your response. It was regretable that we didn't have a wedding. I know I will always feel sad for that. Yet it wasn't possible. Not one member of of my family or friends was willing to fly to the middle east. They didn't go against my getting married. The just wouldn't risk flying to that part of the world. Then there was the problem that my husband was seperated from his family when he fled as a refugee. They couldn't leave the country they were in without losing their visa there and no other country would let him in. As a result, we couldn't have a wedding even if we wanted to. There would have been no one to go to it. We knew it could take years to ever arrange a formal wedding and with the war situation so tenuous, it wasn't worth waiting. I am glad for what I did and I am still hoping to have a small ceremony at the mosque after he gets here. My parents only did a civil ceremony and not a formal wedding. Never did two people love each other more. My mother died when I was 9 years old, but my father never has remarried and it has been almost 20 years. It is sad people really think such big elaborate weddings are supposed to prove love. I don't know about the middle east, but in America many of these expensive weddings end in divorce and unhappiness. Maybe God is making my husband and I's beginning difficult so we will appreciate what we have. Only He knows. I am just thankful for what I have.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-10 07:55:00
Middle East and North AfricaSons and middle east culture
Considering my marriage was in a courthouse and there was no ceremony outside of it. What money could they have asked for? They weren't even in the same country when we got married and they weren't speaking to me or my husband at the time.

I would be happy to cover my daughter's costs for a ceremony. My husband kept thinking it should be his family paying for all that, but since they wouldn't approve of our marriage at the time there was no way for that. I do see what you are saying, but dowry costs can reach as high as the wedding costs. It is all still confusing for me though.

My husband is afraid to annoy me when I have a knife in my hand, lol.

Edited by S and S, 08 June 2008 - 08:49 PM.

S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-08 20:47:00
Middle East and North AfricaSons and middle east culture
QUOTE (sarahaziz @ Jun 8 2008, 08:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I sometimes felt like that also how you feel but the more you meet arab people you will see that some people think modern and understand the girls worth. They end up loving their daughters and daughter in laws a little bit more than the boys. What I've heard alot of times is the daughter back home is a burden because the mother and father will have to work like crazy to give a grand wedding and find a bachelor it's the girls side who is mostly responsible for the money arrangements and etc.. Also sometimes parents can't find suitable men to match up to some girls if they've exceeded in education or working vs a boy who can work twice as much as the girl, build a house or buy one on his own, and openly is accepted to further his education and all that stuff. There's an old arab proverb I can't think of it at the top of my head but it's something from a father speaking that his daughters will all forget him and put their husbands/kids first but his son will always keep his parents on his head (high respect and never abandon them). This kind of thinking is just for old fashioned thinkers which we have alot of. I think these days you will find more open minded people though. Maybe her daughter did something bad or against their will that she's not able to express what a mother should.


I see what you are saying sarahaziz though it is the man who pays the dowry in the middle east or atleast that is what is required under Islam. My husband's family also bought me Gold and clothing. Maybe I need to see a wedding that is more traditional since my family did not have any participation in my marriage. As for my mother and father in law, there was some difficulties at first and they did not accept me, but after I met them in person we got along great. They often take my side against their son, lol. Also, I noticed they treat their daughters great and with respect and do a lot for them including sending them to college. Though it is the daughters doing all the housework. It is difficult for my parents in law to find husbands for their daughters, especially considering they are refugees and the situation in their own country is not good. Many Iraqi women lost their husbands to the violence within months of getting married. It is so sad. It has just been mentioned a couple times by my husband's family that they hope I have sons that bothered me though I see their women are treated well in the family.

I can't imagine a daughter forgeting her own parents. I never noticed that within my husbands family, but I suppose it does happen. As for the Iraqi woman I spoke of, she hasn't had children yet so she doesn't have that experience. I think she just favors boys. She defied her family by marrying an American so maybe she wouldn't want to deal with that with her own daughters. I don't know.

Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate them.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-08 20:28:00
Middle East and North AfricaSons and middle east culture
QUOTE (Jenn! @ Jun 8 2008, 07:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not exactly the same thing, but kind of related...

I just posted this about the concept of the "mammone" in Italy. It's not too far off from some of the MENA stories I've heard here.

http://www.visajourn...howtopic=132255


Thanks for letting me know. Good post!
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-08 20:13:00
Middle East and North AfricaSons and middle east culture
This has been bothering me for some time and I just had to get it out there and see what other people think who are married to SOs from the middle east. Several times now people have told me to be sure to have sons and that they hope I have many sons. An Iraqi woman I know was telling me how her brother's third child was born and it was a girl. She asked if I wanted to see a picture of the baby girl. I said yes that I would. Well, the picture had her brother's three year old son and the baby girl. The Iraqi woman pointed at the baby girl and barely said a word. Then she started oogling over the boy! This made me upset because she barely acknowledged the girl after going through the trouble to show me the picture. She went on to say she hoped she didn't have girls and only boys!

Sometimes this makes me want to only have girls though that isn't fair to my husband. If I desire to have a boy at all it would be so my husband has a son and so I can raise that son to respect and appreciate women. I told my friend, the Iraqi woman, that daughters are of more benifit because they will help a mother with cooking and cleaning. They don't get into as much trouble (most of the time) as a son either. When parents get old who is it that usually washes and cares for their aging parents? It is usually the daughter. At least this has always been my experience. I even pointed out to this woman how she sends money to her mother in Iraq. Does that not make her benificial to her mother regardless of gender?

Why is there so much value placed in a boy? What makes them better than a girl?

Sorry, but this has been bothering me and I just had to get it out there. Maybe someone can explain it to me in a way that can calm me down. If anyone is offended by my post, please don't. I only wrote about this in the hope of expressing my concerns and hearing what other think on this matter.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-08 19:41:00
Middle East and North AfricaMENA: Great download if you pray regularly and for new MENA husbands
I use this same program myself. It especially brought me comfort and help back during Ramadan last year. I was doing my prayers and fasts without any muslims near that I knew or a mosque within a 2 hour drive last year. It was my first Ramadan and a test of my newfound religion, but this Adhan helped me a lot. I still use it and hope my husband will find it helpful when he comes.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-11 00:00:00
Middle East and North AfricaFor MUSLIMS only - hadith, Quran, living the Sunnah, Islamic lifestyle discussion, ask Q's, give advice, stick to the topic!
I reverted to Islam prior to visiting my SO and marrying him. One thing I noticed was women are more segregated in the mosque here in the United States than in the part of the middle east I visited. This suprised me. My husband and I were able to enter the mosque together and I could see him while he was praying. Every mosque I go to here has segregated the women far more and provided seperate entrances.

I also enjoyed hearing the Adhan played at prayer times. Here in the United States you must rely completely on yourself to keep up with the times though I loaded the Adhan onto my computer to help me. Unfortunately I am not always home when it plays or I am in another part of my home and don't hear it.

As far as thoughts on Islam, I had to constantly seperate the religion from the culture while I was in the middle east and that makes things tricky. Sometimes muslims go too far in the middle east and sometimes I was suprised at their lack of following Islamic prinicples. I suppose this just happens everywhere with any religion though.

Part of me wished I could stay in the middle east where practicing Islam is easier, but it is not possible in me and my husband's case.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-08 17:21:00
Middle East and North AfricaAnother visa in hand!!
Congratulations!!! That is wonderful news.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-12 14:13:00
Middle East and North AfricaSunday not a fun day
I'm glad I'm not the only one up late tonight. Happy father's day to all the daddys out there!
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-15 01:59:00
Middle East and North AfricaPacking List for MENA Men coming to the USA
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Important things to bring, photos or DVD of family and friends. Yes they will have the internet and phone, but there is a special quality of holding a photo that might help with any homesickness.

Important to do before leaving, see an eyedoctor and dentist. Sooooooooooo much cheaper there than here.

Get an international drivers license. Even if it is not valid for long, it will be one extra piece of indentification with his name, photo and signature. Might help in the banking, account opening process here.



I definately agree to the international drivers license. If your SO does not have a license, he will have to do drivers training here in the states. With having a drivers license from their country, all they have to do is take a written test and a road test. good.gif


That depends on the state you live in. My husband doesn't have a license at all, but for people over age 21 they don't have to do any kind of drivers training. He will just need to take the written test and the road test. Every person will have to check their state laws regarding that.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-13 08:28:00
Middle East and North AfricaPacking List for MENA Men coming to the USA
QUOTE (Karamella @ Jun 12 2008, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well it's not like you can't live here... it's not illegal to smoke in your home, and smoker's get jobs, but this is the land of birkenstocks, wheat grass juice and organic EVERYTHING...

I can certainly relate to thinking "what's a cigarette" when there's cars exploding around the neighborhood! What I'll never get is how doctor's (under the age of say, 60) ever started smoking in the first place. My SO took one of my girlfriend's who was visiting her fiance in Egypt to the dentist to get her teeth cleaned when she was visiting Egypt and the dentist was smoking while he cleaned her teeth! UGH! I refused to go to this guy and can't believe my girlfriend didn't give him an EAR FULL...

I'm hoping that being away from smoking will help. You can't get away from smoking almost anywhere in Egypt outside of the homes of non-smokers, unless there's a smoker there. It really got on my last nerve how people just light up and don't even think for one second that it might not be welcomed in the home they are visiting. Obnoxious smoking is the worst! I had relatives that would drop their ashes on my floor if I didn't get the ash tray out quick enough.... And I'll never forget when my son was an infant one of his grandma's friends coming to visit and blowing smoke into his FACE!!!!! I was about 10 seconds away from blowing a gasket! (and I was an "outside only" smoker then).

May Allah protect, strengthen, and guide your husband and bring him safely to you to live a long and happy life insha'allah.

K

P.S. As for smoking in the hospital, doesn't surprise me at all... no crisis in Egypt and I saw visitors to the ICU standing in the waiting area hanging their heads out the window smoking....


QUOTE (S and S @ Jun 12 2008, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I understand what you are saying. If you told him from the beginning to quit then he does have no one to blame but himself. That really sounds bad about the cough too. I've never seen a place where smoking means you can't live there or get a job and I lived in one of the worst places (California) for that for awhile. I was in a very upscale area, but people still smoked outside.

Anyway, I am hoping my husband will quit as well. It is just with this war and all the effects of that, smoking was the last way he was going to die. He saw too much death and suffered a lot there. I want him to get comfortable here before I push something like that on him. He is a doctor so he knows the dangers. In fact, the situation is so bad in Iraq that they just smoked in the hallways of the hospital and in the rooms. Everyone knew the odds of dying from smoking were slim compared to the other ways of being killed there. Once he is away from all that then hopefully he can accept giving the habit up.

Obviously our situations are different though. I hope for your sake that your husband quits. You certainly gave him enough warnings.



I have to agree, they go too far with where they smoke in the middle east. I have seen government employees over there smoking right under the no smoking signs in their buildings! The ICU is especially too much though. Surely commone sense would tell them not to do that, but I guess not. As for doctor's, my husband said the medical college in Iraq had the most smokers of all the schools. Ther curriculum was so stressful and all the late nights studying that apparently they used smoking to reduce stress and stay awake. While this may make some sense as to why my husband started, on the other hand it doesn't. My husband is the only one out of his immediate family that smokes. His mother and father don't smoke and neither do his brothers or sisters. He does have some uncles that do, but thats it. My father in law is forever telling my husband not to smoke in the apartment so my husband hides it and never smokes in front of him. I already told my husband he will not smoke in my home after he gets here and must go outside.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-12 23:57:00
Middle East and North AfricaPacking List for MENA Men coming to the USA
QUOTE (Karamella @ Jun 12 2008, 09:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I made that "sliding" mistake already... one of my friends told me to let him slide when I wanted to call off our formal engagement because he hadn't quit yet... I have regretted that 10000000 times so far. I told him the first day I met him I would never live with a smoker. I told him that smoking was a deal breaker. If he had told me that anything about me was a deal breaker I would have taken it seriously.

I helped him lull himself into thinking it wasn't a deal breaker by not sticking to my guns before. I quit smoking so I know it's not easy, but personally I won't live with it and he's had 18 months to quit. He has a terrible cough, his voice is getting raspy it's not socially acceptable in this country (or at least in my community) and it will hurt his chances of employment on TOP of all the OTHER reasons he needs to quit.

I've taken him nicorette gum, sent him all kinds of information and he just keeps smoking. Obviously I can't force him to do anything, and I honestly thought the fact that is is forbidden in Islam was reason enough for him to quit (he's so devout in all other areas). So I leave it in his hand, he knows the choices and I just wish I had never let it slide. Allahuallam

I know how stressful it will be for him when he gets here and that was exactly why I wanted him to quit LONG BEFORE he came. I'm so sorry that he made the choice to put it off, but it's really his choice.

QUOTE (S and S @ Jun 12 2008, 06:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I couldn't get my husband to quit smoking if I wanted to. I knew he smoked when I married him so I accept that part of him just as he accepts parts of me that he may not like. Your husband will be under a lot of stress when he first gets here. You might let him slide at least until he gets settled and comfortable. That is not a easy habit to quit.



I understand what you are saying. If you told him from the beginning to quit then he does have no one to blame but himself. That really sounds bad about the cough too. I've never seen a place where smoking means you can't live there or get a job and I lived in one of the worst places (California) for that for awhile. I was in a very upscale area, but people still smoked outside.

Anyway, I am hoping my husband will quit as well. It is just with this war and all the effects of that, smoking was the last way he was going to die. He saw too much death and suffered a lot there. I want him to get comfortable here before I push something like that on him. He is a doctor so he knows the dangers. In fact, the situation is so bad in Iraq that they just smoked in the hallways of the hospital and in the rooms. Everyone knew the odds of dying from smoking were slim compared to the other ways of being killed there. Once he is away from all that then hopefully he can accept giving the habit up.

Obviously our situations are different though. I hope for your sake that your husband quits. You certainly gave him enough warnings.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-12 22:20:00
Middle East and North AfricaPacking List for MENA Men coming to the USA
I couldn't get my husband to quit smoking if I wanted to. I knew he smoked when I married him so I accept that part of him just as he accepts parts of me that he may not like. Your husband will be under a lot of stress when he first gets here. You might let him slide at least until he gets settled and comfortable. That is not a easy habit to quit.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-12 20:51:00
Middle East and North AfricaPacking List for MENA Men coming to the USA
My husband is flying from Jordan and I noticed that clothes were more expensive there than in the United States. We are telling him not to bring much clothes since you can get them here for such good prices with all the sales going on. I know in the Amman airport the duty free sells Marlboros for $15 a carton so I am going to tell him to leave room in his carry on to put a couple cartons in there. This way the cigs can't be stolen by customs either.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-12 13:45:00
Middle East and North AfricaFeeling Sad
I really know that feeling. Sending you lots of hugs and hope that your day becomes more cheerful.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-12 17:54:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
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QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 22 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was speaking about threads in this forum. I'm used to the sparks now and I pretty much don't talk about religion here but hubby is tired and went to bed early tonight (west coast) and I'm trying out the new laptop and wireless we got. star_smile.gif Plus I'm hormonal. innocent.gif



OMG, go away for one minute and come back and the thread has exploded. Too many things to comment on, so I am picking a neutral. Congrat on the wireless! and the new laptop!

I'd like to point out that I don't know that most of the Christians on this subforum (most, not all) would really "do" a Christian thread as it would involve a lot of private kind of talk I would imagine.

Did I ever tell you Ammar told me that a few months ago the Christian family in his village finally moved out? He said he felt sad for them. He didn't think anything was happening to them, but he said he thought they felt extremely isolated. He said there used to be like 3 families totalling around 100 people each... then there were about 500 of his family... then his family population exploded to about 3k and 2 of the other families dwindled out through moving and dying... then there was just one family with about 50 people or so. He isn't sure, but thinks they went to Irbed.


When my husband has been at his refugee appointments the vast majority of the people there were Christian Iraqis rather than muslim. I find it sad to see them leaving the middle east.


And this is why ALL religion fanatacism and extremism of ANY religion is bad. Christians have been able to live in Iraq with no problems up until the violence after the war and now must leave for their own safety:(


So true though my husband was persecuted for his beliefs in Iraq and he was a muslim, but not of the majority.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 02:00:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
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QUOTE (S and S @ Jun 21 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have noticed that it is like a fashion in America to bash on Islam. Me being the only muslim in my family I recieve a lot of problems from my Christian family members. I don't take it personally. In fact I feel sorry for them that they chose to remain ignorant and not at least broaden their horizens to understand other faiths and beliefs. This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs.

As for the people that trash on Christianity on VJ. It may not be against the rules, but that doesn't mean people don't get offended or not say anything about it.


I read your post the same way JP did-- that it was fashion to bash Islam in the US and that it wouldn't hurt your family (or anyone) to broaden their horizons and learn about other religions-- not just learning abuot islam but any religion. Just so you know smile.gif Glad you clarified.


Sorry I was misunderstood. I am a firm believer of freedom of religion and tolerance.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:57:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
QUOTE (julianna @ Jun 22 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 22 2008, 12:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was speaking about threads in this forum. I'm used to the sparks now and I pretty much don't talk about religion here but hubby is tired and went to bed early tonight (west coast) and I'm trying out the new laptop and wireless we got. star_smile.gif Plus I'm hormonal. innocent.gif



OMG, go away for one minute and come back and the thread has exploded. Too many things to comment on, so I am picking a neutral. Congrat on the wireless! and the new laptop!

I'd like to point out that I don't know that most of the Christians on this subforum (most, not all) would really "do" a Christian thread as it would involve a lot of private kind of talk I would imagine.

Did I ever tell you Ammar told me that a few months ago the Christian family in his village finally moved out? He said he felt sad for them. He didn't think anything was happening to them, but he said he thought they felt extremely isolated. He said there used to be like 3 families totalling around 100 people each... then there were about 500 of his family... then his family population exploded to about 3k and 2 of the other families dwindled out through moving and dying... then there was just one family with about 50 people or so. He isn't sure, but thinks they went to Irbed.


When my husband has been at his refugee appointments the vast majority of the people there were Christian Iraqis rather than muslim. I find it sad to see them leaving the middle east.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:53:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
QUOTE (ME~n~HIM @ Jun 22 2008, 01:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Links are definitely optional for clicking. Click at your own risk. This message is a public service announcement and in no way means the author approves of said links. No animals were harmed in the typing of this message. star_smile.gif


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S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:51:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
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QUOTE (ME~n~HIM @ Jun 21 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey JP, does this count as Overtime? laughing.gif Where are the donuts? I'll have one please........ Off-Topic2.gif

I'm still waiting for mine.

QUOTE (palilover @ Jun 21 2008, 11:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, if someone does not like a thread because it is not his or her taste, just dont click on the thread. There are countless other threads on VJ to click on if you are into another thing.

I should eat my own words. This thread is putting me to sleep:) And habibi is on his way to ramallah for his dr checkup and I want to be awake to talk him through it. So maybe I better not click on this thread anymore or drink tons of coffee:)

Then maybe that same logic should apply to links. star_smile.gif

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I have noticed that it is like a fashion in America to bash on Islam. Me being the only muslim in my family I recieve a lot of problems from my Christian family members. I don't take it personally. In fact I feel sorry for them that they chose to remain ignorant and not at least broaden their horizens to understand other faiths and beliefs. This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs.

As for the people that trash on Christianity on VJ. It may not be against the rules, but that doesn't mean people don't get offended or not say anything about it.

People in America trash every religion. Did you ever see the billboard of Jesus drinking the beer of his choice? Had that happened in Islam all hell would have broke loose. Christians have been bashed on forever but I guess most have a thicker skin to it now. Bashing on Islam is a fairly recent thing.


I was a Christian for the first 26 years of my life. I don't need you to tell me what it is like, thanks anyway.

Well then don't single out Islam as if its the only religion that is trashed in America.

Where did I say it is the only one? I just said it has become popular.

Which makes it no different than any other religion. And your post only talked about Islam being bashed when in fact, as you know, it's all relgions.


Re-read what I said. Here is one part I said that should help you "This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs."

I apologize..I didn't see that part of your post. However you don't need to be so darn snippy!


Then I apologize too for being snippy.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:48:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
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I have noticed that it is like a fashion in America to bash on Islam. Me being the only muslim in my family I recieve a lot of problems from my Christian family members. I don't take it personally. In fact I feel sorry for them that they chose to remain ignorant and not at least broaden their horizens to understand other faiths and beliefs. This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs.

As for the people that trash on Christianity on VJ. It may not be against the rules, but that doesn't mean people don't get offended or not say anything about it.

People in America trash every religion. Did you ever see the billboard of Jesus drinking the beer of his choice? Had that happened in Islam all hell would have broke loose. Christians have been bashed on forever but I guess most have a thicker skin to it now. Bashing on Islam is a fairly recent thing.


I was a Christian for the first 26 years of my life. I don't need you to tell me what it is like, thanks anyway.

Well then don't single out Islam as if its the only religion that is trashed in America.

Where did I say it is the only one? I just said it has become popular.

Which makes it no different than any other religion. And your post only talked about Islam being bashed when in fact, as you know, it's all relgions.


Re-read what I said. Here is one part I said that should help you "This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs."
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:41:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 22 2008, 01:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (S and S @ Jun 21 2008, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (?JP? @ Jun 22 2008, 01:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (S and S @ Jun 21 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have noticed that it is like a fashion in America to bash on Islam. Me being the only muslim in my family I recieve a lot of problems from my Christian family members. I don't take it personally. In fact I feel sorry for them that they chose to remain ignorant and not at least broaden their horizens to understand other faiths and beliefs. This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs.

As for the people that trash on Christianity on VJ. It may not be against the rules, but that doesn't mean people don't get offended or not say anything about it.

People in America trash every religion. Did you ever see the billboard of Jesus drinking the beer of his choice? Had that happened in Islam all hell would have broke loose. Christians have been bashed on forever but I guess most have a thicker skin to it now. Bashing on Islam is a fairly recent thing.


I was a Christian for the first 26 years of my life. I don't need you to tell me what it is like, thanks anyway.

Well then don't single out Islam as if its the only religion that is trashed in America.

Where did I say it is the only one? I just said it has become popular.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:38:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
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I have noticed that it is like a fashion in America to bash on Islam. Me being the only muslim in my family I recieve a lot of problems from my Christian family members. I don't take it personally. In fact I feel sorry for them that they chose to remain ignorant and not at least broaden their horizens to understand other faiths and beliefs. This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs.

As for the people that trash on Christianity on VJ. It may not be against the rules, but that doesn't mean people don't get offended or not say anything about it.



First off, I have never stated an opinion to 99% of VJ about Islam... just bcz you post a link doesnt mean that you have to agree with every word of it... my intention was for people to read that website and discern for themselves... I never said to anyone heres a link and i agree 100% on it and tell me what you think.... and neither has anyone asked me about my opinion about islam... so this whole thread before Mohamed starting it was started by someone sending me a PM then talking to a few other people on VJ and asking them to check out the link on my page... stop trying to keep rehashing the situation and make it more than what is it... End of Story


All the arguments you just made have nothing to do with anything I have said. Please reference the people who stated what you are arguing about.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:37:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
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QUOTE (S and S @ Jun 21 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I have noticed that it is like a fashion in America to bash on Islam. Me being the only muslim in my family I recieve a lot of problems from my Christian family members. I don't take it personally. In fact I feel sorry for them that they chose to remain ignorant and not at least broaden their horizens to understand other faiths and beliefs. This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs.

As for the people that trash on Christianity on VJ. It may not be against the rules, but that doesn't mean people don't get offended or not say anything about it.

People in America trash every religion. Did you ever see the billboard of Jesus drinking the beer of his choice? Had that happened in Islam all hell would have broke loose. Christians have been bashed on forever but I guess most have a thicker skin to it now. Bashing on Islam is a fairly recent thing.


I was a Christian for the first 26 years of my life. I don't need you to tell me what it is like, thanks anyway.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:34:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
There is nothing stopping anyone from posting a thread about Christianity on this section of VJ. I would personally have no problem with it at all. Everyone should have their chance to discuss what they like in a thread so long as it is not against the rules.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:33:00
Middle East and North Africainsulting religion
I have noticed that it is like a fashion in America to bash on Islam. Me being the only muslim in my family I recieve a lot of problems from my Christian family members. I don't take it personally. In fact I feel sorry for them that they chose to remain ignorant and not at least broaden their horizens to understand other faiths and beliefs. This isn't just Islam, but any religion. It never hurts to be open minded and except others regardless of their beliefs.

As for the people that trash on Christianity on VJ. It may not be against the rules, but that doesn't mean people don't get offended or not say anything about it.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 01:29:00
Middle East and North AfricaIt's Sunday! You're Back! You're Home!
Oh, that is a nice pic. I used to have racoons come visit my home and I would feed them cat food or leftovers.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 02:48:00
Middle East and North AfricaIt's Sunday! You're Back! You're Home!
I should be going to bed and yet the thought of making some coffee is growing tempting. It sounds so good right now.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 02:24:00
Middle East and North AfricaIt's Sunday! You're Back! You're Home!
I wish you and everyone else a wonderful Sunday as well!
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-22 02:03:00
Middle East and North AfricaDawn
That was very sweet.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-21 15:03:00
Middle East and North AfricaAverage wait time for CR1 in AP
I'm so sorry things got so messed up for you. I'm sure it is so frustrating knowing you could have had him with you. I hope that you will get some good news soon.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-24 18:02:00
Middle East and North AfricaDr Phil
I saw the episodes online. Both the girl and guy were immature and rash in their decision making. I felt like it made the rest of us and our spouses look bad. I didn't even know about it, but my husband brought it to my attention since him and his famly were watching it in Jordan.

My husband said the Palestinian guy went on some Lebanese talk show to tell his side of the story. He said the girl and him did get married, but how can we really know for sure? The whole story seems dramatized. I didn't even like that girl's family. They wanted to look like victims but I felt like they didn't really care about their daughter that much. They didn't even bother to meet her at the airport when she returned. It may be the girl did this just to get the family to pay attention to her since there seemed to be a lot of kids living under one roof. This is just my observations, maybe I am misssing something.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-18 22:15:00
Middle East and North AfricaTuesday is here!!!
Good morning to you too!
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-24 01:43:00
Middle East and North AfricaTuesday is here!!!
It is after 1am my time here. Just thought I would start out the Tuesday thread as I haven't done this before. Let those of us waiting hear good news soon!
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-24 01:16:00
Middle East and North AfricaAJ1 TODAY IS YOUR DAY GIRL!!!!
Congratulations!!! I wish you a wonderful life together. You deserve it.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-24 18:08:00
Middle East and North AfricaMENA GALS: This is for you all
Good message! I needed to read something like that. I have been depressed for days waiting to hear something on my husband's case.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-24 18:22:00
Middle East and North AfricaRepresenting MENA!!!
Good idea good.gif
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-23 00:03:00
Middle East and North AfricaRepresenting MENA!!!
I started coming to VJ last fall, but I didn't actually join until March of this year. My husband and I have been married since May of last year. We were originally married in Damascus, but he has since relocated to Jordan. We got as far as the NVC process before we stopped because he is now doing the final stages of refugee processing. He has done all three interviews and is finishing his physical exam tommorow (it was two steps for his physical, the first one being x-rays and blood work). Hopefully we will hear final approval soon and they will schedule his flight here.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-06-15 18:31:00
Middle East and North AfricaWondering what other sites he/she is on??
I couldn't find anything significant on any of my husband's email addresses or mine. We both used to have myspace accounts but we deleted them over a year ago. Those didn't even show up. My husband and I discussed all the sites we had joined at some point and deleted the old ones. Maybe that makes a difference, I don't know.
S and SFemaleIraq2008-05-31 13:28:00