ForumTitleContentMemberSexCountryDate/Time
Asia: East and PacificSpot the Error
Well, it DID say, "This is an overnight flight," which is not 100% technically correct. The flight to Seoul is the overnight flight. Although, given the late hour of your arrival in HCMC, that is almost yet another overnight flight. Perfect. You'll be able to sneak that 125 lb. McIntosh amp right through customs for my nephew.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-21 15:51:00
Asia: East and PacificWho has the next interview in Vietnam?
Hi luckytxn, me and my wife were just talking about your news. I asked her when I got divorced, and she said, "I don't know." I answered that I don't know either, why would I want to remember that? What a stupid question. And my divorce was only 2 years ago.

Anyway, I hope you can get the issues resolved quickly. It sounds like you have a very sweet and intelligent woman waiting to be with you. Good luck.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2008-12-10 22:47:00
Asia: East and PacificWho has the next interview in Vietnam?
QUOTE (luckytxn @ Dec 4 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes Yeuemhhieu it does and took about that long for my fiancee to get hers.

Also I said that my fiancee had her interview on the 5th. It is the 9th. She is still very nervous and no matter what I say or her family there or here says can get her to relax any. She is not sick anymore. The doctor was right and after 4-5 days she was better. Sometimes the shots do this and I remember many years ago I had a flu shot that made me sick.

I believe that we won't hear any news for a few more days. Psych!
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2008-12-05 07:18:00
Asia: East and PacificTrain HCM to Phan Thiet
I don't know about that specific route, but I have ridden a passenger train in Vietnam. They are absolutely terrible! Most of the locomotives I swear are Russian cast-offs from the 50s. Then there's that silly narrow gauge track. If you get an old one, you're going to be doing about 15 mph, 20 tops. But it's much more fun than a bus. I'd take the train.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-23 06:11:00
Asia: East and PacificJust Married
Congratulations to the both of you!
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-28 17:22:00
Asia: East and PacificFiance' arrived safely
Congratulations to you both. It may take longer, as you have already perceived, than the stated 10 days to get over the jet lag. I imagine this is the first time she's ever switched time zones, and the thirteen hours is a doozy. Subsequent trips will have a faster recovery time. Second, I hope Trang is more adaptable than Mai to the food, or going out on the road is going to be a challenge. We STILL eat Vietnamese food every day, after what, 9 months? The good thing is, it's very cheap. I thought it was going to be difficult to give up the kitchen (I cooked at least 80% of the time with the ex-wife), but it hasn't been that bad. Boy, I hate the way she keeps that kitchen, though. Compromise and understanding, that's what it's all about.

You will find yourself compromising more than you thought possible. But it's worth it. AOS isn't all that bad. And besides, who the hell cares? You're together for that journey.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-22 09:26:00
Asia: East and PacificGot our visa!!!
Wow! That really came out of left field. I'm really glad you didn't give up. Congratulations to the both of you.

And now, Ray of Sunshine that I am, I must warn you. Now the hard part begins. But at least it's a hard part that actually counts for something in the world. Let us know how things go.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-18 08:34:00
Asia: East and PacificSilly things we say to babies
QUOTE (Donna A @ Mar 3 2009, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i was surprised when my husband said goche goche goo to our dog (our only baby). i thought we were the only ones who said that.

Hey Donna, thanks for the reply. We've got one of those too. Dogs that is. Her name is Elsa, but we've taken to calling her Lazybones lately. In Vietnamese, that translates to "Lazybone." No S.

Mai's Aunt is very concerned that Lazybones, or Lazybone, as the case may be, is going to bite the baby. I told her the basic problem with that theory. You see, that would require her to actually get up off our bed, and go to the effort of biting someone. Ain't gonna happen.

This is not a Vietnamese-only thread. I know there are people all over SE Asia that say silly things to babies, and to dogs. Let's hear them.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-04 06:12:00
Asia: East and PacificSilly things we say to babies
QUOTE (jasman0717 @ Mar 3 2009, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Melrose Plant @ Mar 2 2009, 06:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"John Dillinger stole your hair!"


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Yeah, so what weird things do Filipinas say to babies? Time to pony up!
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-03 21:45:00
Asia: East and PacificSilly things we say to babies
And I am surprised, Dan, that you didn't call me on my typo the second time around, "D?i ca" instead of the correct "??i ca."

I find that idiomatic translations are much more difficult, yet more important between Asian languages and English. There is just no common bond between the two.

On the same subject, I would like to share an idiomatic translation slightly closer to home. As a former student of German, I ran across a Bavarian phrase, "Es ist mir Wurst." Translated literally word-for-word, this means, "It is [to] me sausage." The idiomatic meaning is, "It doesn't matter to me." As in the answer to the question, "Which movie would you like to go see?"

These difficulties in dissimilarities between the languages strengthens my resolve to make sure that my younger son is truly bilingual. He still has the ability that I have lost with age.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-03 17:45:00
Asia: East and PacificSilly things we say to babies
Hahaha, Mai disagrees with your translation. She says that it's sort of Chinese/Vietnamese slang. D?i ca is kind of like "Big Brother." I guess that would be the equivalent of our American gangsters. And then ??u Tr?c is distinct from ??u hói. Anyway........you guys can argue about that. I'm going to bed! Hahahaha. It's still a very silly thing to say to a baby. Got any more?
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-02 21:58:00
Asia: East and PacificSilly things we say to babies
Mai says a lot of things to Mickey that I don't really understand. As English speakers, you know we say a lot of very silly things to babies. I asked Mai what silly things Vietnamese say to babies. She didn't understand my question. Then, a little bit later, she was talking in a voice I knew was a silly voice. So I asked, "OK, what did you say to him just now?"

She said, "??i ca ??u Tr?c!" Idiomatically, but not literally, translated, this means, "John Dillinger stole your hair!" Or alternatively, "Al Capone stole your hair!" Choose your own famous outlaw. Funny, no?

Edited by Melrose Plant, 02 March 2009 - 09:42 PM.

Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-02 21:40:00
Asia: East and PacificK1 Korean Embassy
Wow, I'm trying to think when's the last time we had a Korea person on this forum. I wish I could help, but the closest I've been to Korea is in my avatar (Incheon airport doesn't count). Maybe someone will come out of the woodwork.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-05 22:13:00
Asia: East and PacificMy K3 is hard !
QUOTE (MarkNhi @ Feb 17 2009, 11:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi all.
If after uscis finish 6 months for processing K1/K2 - K3/K4 - IR1/CR1 , It will change new processing date aroung March, so may be my case can get approval news ???? I just praying ....
Thanks very much. Good luck to everybody.

Has your husband called and done as Mark suggested in great detail above? Something is wrong here, and it isn't just going to fix itself.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-18 17:16:00
Asia: East and PacificMy K3 is hard !
QUOTE (Kevin and Tuyen @ Jan 14 2009, 07:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (MarkNhi @ Jan 14 2009, 04:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thanks everybody. i can write letter but i dont know where will it send to .


Your husband should contact his US Representitive and US Senator to look into the progress of your petition.

Yes, I agree with Kevin, but let me add this to make it very clear: As the beneficiary, there is nothing you can do at this time. This is not your petition. It is your husband's petition on behalf of you. HE is the one who must make these inquires.

I contacted my Senator's office when my petition got bogged down a little bit. I don't think it really sped anything up, but at least I sort of found out what was going on with it. At least then, I knew it wasn't lost behind somebody's desk or something.

After 11 months, something is not right. Tell him he needs to call. If he doesn't find out anything, try for an InfoPass appointment with the local CIS office. Or do the Congressional thing. They actually can find out the fastest whether the petition has been lost.

Good luck.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-01-14 09:22:00
Asia: East and PacificMy K3 is hard !
11 months? I'd be making some phone calls and rattling some cages (or in your case making my U.S. spouse make some noise, there's really nothing you can do at this point). That's quite a bit beyond the normal.

I see you're from Vung Tau. Nice place. We were there last May.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-01-12 00:58:00
Asia: East and PacificFor “Viet Kieu” Vietnamese Oversea, Be aware of this!
QUOTE (Haonie @ Mar 6 2009, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Melrose Plant @ Mar 6 2009, 05:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They gave Mai a bit of a hard time on the way out, also. They intimated that her passport and visa might be counterfeit. However, they never asked for any money. It's just a good thing we had plenty of time to catch the plane.

I am so curious. Why did you wait until now to post this? Didn't these events take place in May of last year?

How are things? We never hear from you much any more.


Hehehe innocent.gif , it was suddenly come up, I didn’t think of it last year, maybe, I was too happy. Anyway, we moved up to Indiana at my sister’s house, and stay there for a while. I’m now back to Kentucky. Guess what, I’ll be the father in this Sept, I’m so excited. I heard that you have a boy, well, congratz. I’m now work hard for milk and baby’s diapers.

Haonie

Milk is free, my friend, unless you decide to feed that horrible chalky-tasting stuff to your little one. Diapers are not. May I suggest Costco? In the alternative, the Target brand diapers are quite nice, and cheap. The Wal-Mart brand diapers are horrible, don't bother. Then there's always cloth diapers, but even I can't go that far. Congratulations and good luck to you both!
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-07 12:28:00
Asia: East and PacificFor “Viet Kieu” Vietnamese Oversea, Be aware of this!
They gave Mai a bit of a hard time on the way out, also. They intimated that her passport and visa might be counterfeit. However, they never asked for any money. It's just a good thing we had plenty of time to catch the plane.

I am so curious. Why did you wait until now to post this? Didn't these events take place in May of last year?

How are things? We never hear from you much any more.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-06 17:42:00
Asia: East and PacificThai wives and skin problems
That is just fascinating, because Mai's skin looks so much better than it did when she lived in Vietnam. But my belief is that the bad skin came from living in an urban environment with no pollution controls whatever. I have observed this in one other former Hanoi dweller as well. Mai seems to be coping surprisingly well with the dry air of winter in the Midwest. She adores central heat.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-21 15:34:00
Asia: East and PacificTravel to HCMC with Infant
I do hope all goes well for you, because we will be doing the same thing before you know it. I can't imagine travelling to Asia with my older son. Even now that he is nearly 10 years old, I can barely imagine it. Our younger son might just be able to handle the trip, we'll see.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-10 17:24:00
Asia: East and PacificHCM questions, pls help!
QUOTE (SaigonLuv @ Feb 12 2009, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I need some help. Packet 3 asks for last years tax transcript, but that won't be available for 2008 until after Thi has her interview. They say they may accept w-2's and a certified copy of your tax return. I am doing my taxes now for 2008, how do I get a certified copy of the tax return for 2008 and I get 1099's, not w-2's...why don't they mention 1099's being acceptable? :-( helpppppp

Also, does HCM allow sponsers for k1? I was going to bring a back-up just in case...what forms does the sponser fill out? Is it just the I-134 or something else? thanx for any advice here guys. so confused. unsure.gif

If the interview is before April 15, then the 2007 tax year is just fine.

Make sure you have a tax transcript, though. You can order one over the phone, (800) 829-1040, and it will come within about a week. The transcript basically just proves that you actually paid such and such amount of tax into the system. A copy of your return doesn't actually prove any tax was paid. Good luck!
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-12 22:26:00
Asia: East and PacificVietnamese House Approves Dual Citizenship
Hmmm, I'm not sure I really understand the purpose of these changes in the law, unless it's an American War forgiveness kind of a thing. I'm just trying to figure out just exactly who would be wanting to get Vietnamese Citizenship, except for maybe those who were forced to flee Vietnam against their will. I'm sure someone would be happy to explain this to me.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2008-12-29 07:12:00
Asia: East and PacificGot the pink!! Here were the HCM Interview questions for K1
Congratulations! The easy part is over. I know you are looking forward to the hard part now.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-18 16:52:00
Asia: East and PacificGot any good "The last time I sh!t my pants..." stories?
My story is an awful lot closer to home, but it may be somewhat entertaining.

As a construction worker, I often have to travel some distance to my job. If I'm lucky, I can drive it every day and don't have to stay away from my family. It was February of 2005, and I had just got laid off from a job that was really close to home. Not knowing what the future held, I decided to take a job 110 miles away from my house. One cold morning, after it had just snowed, I was driving to work at 0-dark-hundred, and I was about halfway there, and I felt I had to take a #######. After several more minutes, I realized that wasn't NO WAY I was going to make it to the job site. Suddenly, I remembered that less than 10 miles away there was one of those roadside parks you often find on American two lane roads, and I remembered that there was a Port-a-John there. I held on for dear life.

When I finally got to the park, it was gone! I mean nowhere to be seen! As I stood there in the inky blackness broken only by the beam of my headlamps, my toe found a piece of something buried in the newfallen snow. It was blue in color. Further excavation revealed that it was in fact the Port-a-John, flattened out flatter than flat. I mean, somebody must have run over this thing about 25 times, either that or they used a road roller.

Anyway, luckily I always keep a roll of toilet paper in the car, and a nearby tree served as adequate cover in the darkness. Sometimes, you just don't have a choice.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-21 05:11:00
Asia: East and PacificIndonesian Fiance only has one name, how to fill out forms?
Hey, that's what a Social Security number (or other National ID number) is for! You know, you don't really exist until you've got that number. I've re-discovered that as of late. Thank God Mai finally got her SS card. Now she's a real person again. And she has four names.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-15 10:28:00
Asia: East and PacificIndonesian Fiance only has one name, how to fill out forms?
Well, you learn something new every day. Here is some interesting reading, and it may even be helpful:

http://en.wikipedia....Indonesian_name

We don't have too many Indonesian folks on this message board, but there are some, as I recall. I am curious to know the answer to this one myself.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-08 10:16:00
Asia: East and PacificI've been living in Vietnam for little over a year.
Isn't it rather interesting that this thread has made a U-turn somewhere along the line? First, we were talking about getting the hell out of Vietnam, now we're talking about moving to Vietnam. OK, who's the highjacker?
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-24 21:59:00
Asia: East and PacificI've been living in Vietnam for little over a year.
QUOTE (Dai_VN @ Mar 17 2009, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Freaking Vietnam Government! I just had to pay almost $6000 USD in tax because the freaking Vietnamese government requires to pay tax on worldwide income for expats. I already paid my US taxes now I have to give this corrupt government tax money on income I earned in the US. This freaking sucks. I can't wait to leave this country.

Corrupt government? The whole country is corrupt, right down to the concrete worker who built your house. Even my own sweet wife. Still, they're no worse than the Chinese, and maybe a bit better. Did you ever see my post about how a building gets built in Vietnam? It's scary.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-18 17:02:00
Asia: East and PacificI've been living in Vietnam for little over a year.
QUOTE (Joe Six-Pack @ Mar 10 2009, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Melrose Plant @ Mar 10 2009, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As Jimbo might put it, I can't imagine who would want to drive a lorry in Vietnam by choice.


Well if you want to be King of the Road here it's the perfect job. Those guys don't stop for sh!t.

That's only because the equipment no longer has any brakes. The horn still works, though.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-11 20:52:00
Asia: East and PacificI've been living in Vietnam for little over a year.
As Jimbo might put it, I can't imagine who would want to drive a lorry in Vietnam by choice.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-10 16:47:00
Asia: East and PacificI've been living in Vietnam for little over a year.
QUOTE (DPNH @ Mar 7 2009, 08:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (luckytxn @ Mar 5 2009, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DPNH @ Mar 5 2009, 04:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Dear all Whiners and Complainants,

This is President Nguyen Minh Triet. After carefully reviewing your complaints posted here on this forum, and numerous consultation with Bac Ho, I have the following response and I hope you will somewhat find some satisfaction:

Bac Ho said "Nhap Gia Tuy Tuc".........Who cares and get used to our problems. Don't like it? Get outta my country and go live elsewhere! Capiche? Have yourself a nice day and life, hopefully!

PS. From me personally as the President of the country, unless you have the dollars $$$, we don't really care in what you say OK?



** you commie bastid.


No thanks. I only do women. I'm sure there're plenty of gay bars in the Montrose area to fulfill your need. Don't forget to tell your new wife in the event you decide to go there though. Vietnamese women tend not to take the homosexual issue very well! devil.gif

I've talked to Uncle Ho (Bac Ho) again and he decided to offer to those who have been experiencing inconveniences while living in our country some cheese to compliment your w(H)ine. We do understand that the majority of Asian are Lactose-intolerance, but like I said in my previous response, we really do NOT care in your feelings anyway.

PS.........Bac Ho also said your suffering no matter how big is NOTHING compared to the poor living standards that the Vietnamese people have to go through EVERY DAY for the rest of their lives. And one of the reason you decide to stay in our country is because of CHEAP stuffs compared to your countries. So, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAID FOR)......


Go tell your wives "Nha giau duc tay bang an may do rout", translating.....The rich's minor hand cut equals to the poor's gut splitting!

Why am I getting this deja vu all over again thing? Thank you very much for your constructive contribution to this thread, and the horse you came in on.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-07 12:21:00
Asia: East and PacificI've been living in Vietnam for little over a year.
QUOTE (Dai_VN @ Feb 28 2009, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hear and speak the language here in Vietnam so fluently that I always here them say "Oh my god! You are so fat" and they always ask me how much I weigh. People are just out right rude when you can speak and understand the language here in Vietnam.

Most of my family in Vietnam is on the heavy side, believe it or not. They don't seem to care about calling each other fat, or other people calling them fat. I guess they don't consider that rude or insulting. Mai understands that is not acceptable in the U.S.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-28 09:47:00
Asia: East and PacificI've been living in Vietnam for little over a year.
I have a somewhat different perspective on Vietnam because my family there is professional and well connected. I never worry about medical care when I am there because my father-in-law is a retired doctor who still treats patients in his home for next to no money because he feels it's the right thing to do. He's got a mini-pharmacy back in the kitchen. Part of the morning ritual is counting out pills in the morning for different patients before breakfast.

We had and have plenty of television channels to watch (although my Vietnamese needs to get a lot better to really care about that).

I really didn't notice people pissing and spitting in public in Hanoi and Ha Dong City (now Quan Ha Dong). People tend to be rather soft spoken there, from what I could see, with one major exception: When trying to get service.

Now for the complaints: Vietnamese are incapable, at least when in their country of origin, of queuing. They swarm and try to "Em ?i!" their way to the front. One of the first times I went to the Asian market back in the U.S., we were standing in line to check out, and this lady said, "Go ahead, you can go first." I kind of laughed and said, "Now I KNOW we are not in Vietnam any more." "How is that?" she asked. I playfully shoved past her shouting, "Em ?i, em ?i!" She understood and laughed.

The other problem I have with Vietnam is that their moral compass is set on a different bearing than ours. Let me give you an example. My brother-in-law just bought a used Mercedes. When he got it, it had about 200,000 km on it. He and his son were trying to get some software from China, probably itself pirated, to reset the odometer to zero. I don't know if they were successful or not. I told them that if they got caught doing such a thing in the U.S., they would be in BIG trouble. And quite aside from that, how can you possibly think that is even a little bit OK? Even my own wife really didn't see anything wrong with resetting the odometer. Different world.

Oh, and one more thing. I hate the way Vietnamese will just chuck trash out the window of a car when they are done with something.

It sure is nice to be able to drive your car or motorbike down the road without worrying too much, isn't it? I wish y'all a speedy visa!
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-02-28 09:44:00
Asia: East and PacificVietnam. 2nd round. Denied.
Sorry to hear your news. Best of luck to you and your wife.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-26 18:38:00
Asia: East and PacificIt's been a while since I posted on VJ
Congratulations. You have a beautiful baby.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-28 21:04:00
Asia: East and PacificWhat to do in Vung Tau?
QUOTE (Kevin&Thao @ Mar 28 2009, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd like to travel around some too if it's not a huge hassle? I've been told to STAY OFF the motor bikes..LOL I'd really rather not ride behind her either. I'm 6'3" and am sure I'm gonna look like a monkey...you know..LOL

Kevin

Why have you been told to stay off motorbikes? It's just like riding at Sturgis, only quieter. And people are going to stare at a big, white guy no matter what you're doing, so it's no use worrying about how you appear to other people.

I say this half jokingly, but then I've got 25 years' riding experience in everything from mountain roads to the beltway around Washington, D.C. It didn't take long to get into the Vietnamese motorbike rhythm. Joe Six Pack should weigh in on this subject. He's out there riding around just fine (OK, with one mishap), and his experience has been with much larger equipment.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-30 21:46:00
Asia: East and PacificExperiences with USCIS in HCMC?
QUOTE (konton @ Mar 31 2009, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Van and I did our vows and exchanged our rings. We both singed on the dotted line, as did my father and her sister as witnesses to the event. Then Van and I kissed, and that was pretty much it. No fuss, no mess.

They have vows in Singapore?
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-31 22:45:00
Asia: East and PacificFirst Blue Slip at HCM - Vote of members
QUOTE (b_weeks @ Mar 29 2009, 05:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And the TIMELINE is a MUST. You WILL get a blue slip without one. Here are some samples: TIMELINES

You can't make a blanket statement like that and have it be true all of the time. Yes, we had our timeline prepared, but they didn't look at it. She could have walked in there with an empty briefcase and passed. But maybe it was the obvious laboring under the strain of 20 kg worth of evidence that convinced them. Nah, I don't think so. I think it was overkill on the I-129F.

Then again, don't listen to me. I may be special. Marc Ellis said that in 20 years of practice, he'd never had them not ask about certain divorce issues. In my case, they didn't ask. There's a first for everything, thank the Lord.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-31 22:38:00
Asia: East and PacificFirst Blue Slip at HCM - Vote of members
QUOTE (AnhSau @ Mar 25 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok... After 4 trips to Saigon, The consulate has stopped the dance for documents and has issued my wife a pink slip.

Informing her to return on the 31st of March to pick up Visa.

Has anybody been misled at this point? Is it another tease?

No, I think you're OK. The 31st would be a normal wait for visa issuance. Congratulations to you both.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-25 21:59:00
Asia: East and PacificFirst Blue Slip at HCM - Vote of members
I'd at least talk to the man. I think he'd probably charge you some amount for a consultation, but then at least you could make a more informed decision about whether to hire him or not. Couldn't hurt.
Melrose PlantMaleVietnam2009-03-08 11:45:00