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CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (thetreble @ Apr 7 2009, 11:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I just think it's kinda selfish to say, "I want to spend adult time with my sister in law without her kids..." You sort of make it sound like you are stuck up a little bit. Is it too much to ask? It's not about being too much, it's about it being kinda out of line and not really any of your concern.

I don't think it's selfish or stuck up. My wife never gets a chance to talk to her sister without the kids present. My sister-in-law doesn't live that close and even when talking on the phone, her kids are in the background making noise and demanding her attention. I don't think it's too much to ask that my wife get to talk to her sister (in an adult context) a couple of times per year.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-04-07 13:48:00
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I don't want children nor do I need them. However, in the unlikely event I did have kids, I wouldn't allow them to run all over the place, yelling and screaming and messing with anything they can reach. That's not only incredibly rude, but it can -- and most likely will -- cause problems between family and friends. Being so permissive could potentially harm the children as well, considering that a large part of a person's growth and development is dependent on their parents.

Kids need to know that the parent is the boss. What the parent says is the final say in matters. Whether or not the parent's ruling is "fair" is irrelevant. Parent aren't there to be a child's "buddy." If that means playing the "bad guy," then so be it.

I'm not completely without a heart, so I know young children need to be given some leeway. They don't always obey (who does?) and more often than not, it's their lack of an attention span and increasing boredom that causes problems. There's a difference, however, between acting up once in a while and doing it on a regular basis.

I realize this may be a sensitive topic for some here. I am not commenting on your children or your parenting abilities. If you love children, then that's great. I'm not suggesting anyone should change their viewpoint.

I don't care for children when they're a nuisance. Unfortunately, we can't always dictate what kids will do, say or how they're respond to certain stimuli. Because of this fact, I don't want children. The very last thing I want to do is become what irritates me so badly.

DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-04-07 13:45:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (FinnLove @ Aug 15 2009, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hate Facebook. They disabled my account a week ago for no reason, and won't respond to my emails.

I know I sound like I'm 18. Believe it or not, I'm in my mid 40s! And yes, I do have a life. ha! I still miss my Facebook wall though...

I had a similar experience with Yahoo Answers.

Most of the individuals on YA are idiots. If you've visited YA or, God forbid, actually asked a question on there, you'd immediately see what I'm talking about. People on there don't actually answer questions. Instead they often answer in a completely non-nonsensical manner while usually belittling and insulting others. At best you'll receive a response that goes: "I don't know the answer to that. Maybe you should ask someone who does." blink.gif

To help fix that problem and HELP people out, I joined. Let me emphasize that I actually answered questions seriously (unlike the usual non-related and insulting claptrap that occurs there) and never once broke the TOS.

For my efforts, I was banned and my account was shut down. YA said I could appeal but all that amounted to was an auto-generated response which failed to answer my question. The most I received back was that I somehow "violated the terms of service." What really irritated me was that I couldn't find out how I supposedly did that.

Oddly enough, I could create a new YA account at any time and that makes me wonder WHAT the point is of banning people. If someone can make a new account whenever they feel like it, regardless of how they lost their original account, then policing the network is useless.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-08-16 12:41:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
My wife is mad at me. tongue.gif

Last night she was eating popcorn and telling me the difference between butter and margarine (she prefers butter). Out of nowhere, I said the following: "Wouldn't it be neat if butter was actually made from liposuctioned fat?"

I did something similar to that months ago, as well. She was making an omelet in the morning and without thinking, I said: "You know... you have eggs too."

I think I need to watch what I say more often. laughing.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-08-14 11:39:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (minnew @ Aug 10 2009, 06:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Summer colds.......*Aaaaachoooooo* My head feels like a floating ballon! Sounds are way too amplified, feels like a pounding headache! Uggghhh....and you think I could sleep past 5 am.....NOPE!!! crying.gif

Sounds like a migraine. I remember having those in high school (I still get them now) and being able to hear what was said in OTHER classrooms. On one hand, that was awesome. On the other hand... it really sucked since my head was killing me and now I had to listen to TWO teachers drone on.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-08-10 08:38:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
I'm down in Houston right now and here's a few things I gotta say...

1. My dad is as irritating as ever. At least my brother is here and we're been having a blast. Hell, we spent the last six hours playing on the PS2. Sometimes I really miss my brother.

So at least I'm not here by myself with my dad. Actually... that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, does it? "By myself" with someone else? tongue.gif

2. As soon as I arrived in Houston, my dad asked me about Canada. Without letting me finish, he went on a tirade about the Canadian health care system.

As you all know, I haven't been overly pleased with Canadian health care, but it's not terrible. Yeah, I liked the American system better, but I was also fortunate to have outstanding coverage.

Despite my irritation with Canadian health care, I couldn't help but get a little annoyed at him. Even worse, he started blathering on about how "America is the greatest this and that and Canada tries, but fails, at being more American." I may be American (and I always will be), but talking like my dad does only serves to further enforce the negative stereotype about Americans. If he really feels "America is better," then he wouldn't need to spout off about it.

Anyway... I started getting really ticked off, but I controlled my temper. I knew I wouldn't change his mind and therefore, there was no point in creating a huge stink about it.

3. I've successfully deflected my dad's many attempts at starting an argument with me. Between my wife and my brother -- who coached me on how to handle him this time -- I've managed to keep the peace (at least somewhat, anyway). I think this has annoyed my dad, since he can't get the reaction he wants. Why he wants to start an argument is beyond me, but apparently he does.

4. The three of us went to Whole Foods the other day. My wife showed me how to make a cake and my dad didn't understand why I needed to get certain ingredients. For instance, he thought "instant hot chocolate mix" would work instead of "cocao." I also needed unsweetened apple sauce and cinnamon.

He said, "Apple sauce is always sweetened." My brother and I tried to get him to understand that companies usually ADD extra sweetener to the apple sauce. That's unnecessary since apple sauce has its own natural sweetener. My dad also thought that "cinnamon apple sauce" would work instead of buying apple sauce and cinnamon separately. Maybe it would (I don't know for sure), but if I used that, I wouldn't be able to control the amount of cinnamon added.

I also needed sugar. My dad wanted me to buy packets of "splenda" instead. I don't think he quite understood the idea of "real sugar." Both my brother and I attempted to explain this to him. He didn't understand, but I got the real sugar anyway.

Even stranger, he didn't want to pay for a Whole Foods canvas bag (which was probably one or two dollars at most), but when he discovered he could get the bag for free by purchasing SIX bottles of wine, he did that. That completely baffled my brother and I, since the wine was undoubtedly more expensive than the bag.

5. My dad bought some chocolate (from Hershey's) and so I tried some. I nearly spit it out. He didn't understand why I did that and I told him it "tasted weird." He thought I was crazy, but he was also happy that I wouldn't eat his chocolate.

6. My dad had wanted to go to a place called "Mountasia" where they have mini-golf, go-karts and a video game arcade because he had a ticket that got us unlimited activities. That sounded like fun, but for some reason or another, I was incredibly nauseated that day (I vomited a couple of times too). Because I knew he wanted to go, I told him that he and my brother could go without me.

He didn't go and apparently blames me for it. I told him to go without me! I wasn't trying to hold him back. At least my brother doesn't blame me. Honestly, I don't think he was too keen on the idea of being outside in Houston during the summer. No sane person would, either. I suppose that explains my dad. tongue.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-08-05 13:31:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (charles! @ Jul 30 2009, 07:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DeadPoolX @ Jul 30 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (charles! @ Jul 30 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what kinda car is it? and if she won't pony up the money or commit, sell them.

It's a 2001 BMW 330Ci with around 25,000 miles on it. I bought it in 2001, but eight years later, it's having a few issues.

I could sell it, but I doubt I'd make much on it. Unless a cars is very rare and highly sought after, they always depreciate in value.

i was asking minnew about the car the tires go to blush.gif

Yup... I just noticed that now. tongue.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-31 02:03:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (charles! @ Jul 30 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
what kinda car is it? and if she won't pony up the money or commit, sell them.

It's a 2001 BMW 330Ci with around 25,000 miles on it. I bought it in 2001, but eight years later, it's having a few issues.

I could sell it, but I doubt I'd make much on it. Unless a cars is very rare and highly sought after, they always depreciate in value.

QUOTE (Kathryn41 @ Jul 30 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We had Princess Auto in Ontario - it actually had a really good range of supplies, but then we always had pretty straightforward to fix cars too. Definitely worth a try. Good luck.

Is there any way you can order windshield wipers and other things like that online?

I think I can. It'd be great if I can get the wipers online. BMW just charges way too much.

DIFFERENT RANT:
I stopped in a Rogers Video store today and it looked nice. Lots of good deals on video games (both to buy and rent) and their selection was incredible.

However... they had numerous signs and posters up that said the following: "No late fees if you rent three 7-day videos for $15."

Okay, so that sounds good, right? I checked with the staff about that and here's how that conversation went:

[DEADPOOLX] "So how does that plan work? No late fees and all."

[ROGERS VIDEO EMPLOYEE] "You get to rent three DVDs at $15 for a week."

[DPX] "Okay, so if I return them late, there are no late fees, right?"

[RVE] "If you return the videos within seven days, then there are no late fees."

[DPX] "Wait... if I return the videos before they're due there wouldn't be any late fees anyway!"

[RVE] "Yes, that's right. If you return them within seven days, no late fees are applied."

[DPX] "Yeah, I got that. But how is that any different from returning the videos before they're due?"

[RVE] "It's not."

[DPX] "So why advertise 'no late fees' then?"

[RVE] "Because you won't get any if you return them within seven days."

[DPX] "And if I didn't return them within seven days...?"

[RVE] "You'd get charged $1 every day you've had them out beyond the due date."

[DPX] "Then late fees exist."

[RVE] "Yes, if the videos are overdue."

[DPX] "But your store claims there are no late fees!"

[RVE] "Only if you return them on time."

At that point I was about ready to snap. Does any of that make sense? It's obvious that if you return a DVD before it's due that you won't have any late fee charges. When a store advertises "no late fees" any normal person would read that as, "there are no late fees if you're overdue." Apparently Rogers Video likes stating the obvious while pretending they're offering something unique to the customer.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-30 16:04:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Rob and Mel @ Jul 30 2009, 09:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are stores that do carry products that the chain auto stores don't. Audi does the same thing and I've found a great store called BAP Geon. They are all over the U.S., but I couldn't find one in B.C.. I'm sure there are others.

Yeah, places like Canadian Tire aren't much help. My father-in-law did recommend a place called Princess Auto. Sure, it has a dopey name, but if they have what I need and can do repairs for less than BMW, I'll go with them.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-30 11:19:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Rob and Mel @ Jul 30 2009, 09:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
From what you describe, it sounds like it's your transmission. I had a similar situation with a car. With those transmissions they can get pretty expensive, especially if you have it serviced by the dealer. That is part of the reason I prefer manual transmissions, higher performance, better fuel efficiency, and less expensive to service.

I figured it'd be something expensive. Then again, that describes ANYTHING at BMW. tongue.gif

You're right -- MT is less hassle and less expensive to fix. Unfortunately, I don't have much choice in the matter right now.

QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 30 2009, 09:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wow, that surprises me! In Ontario, you can shop around to many different insurance cos, get the best price! How are you going to get the best price in BC if you can't shop around. That would pi$$ me off

You DON'T get the best price. You get whatever ICBC/Autoplan gives you. If you don't like it, then you either drive uninsured or don't have a car.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-30 11:17:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 30 2009, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I cannot believe BC only has one auto insurance choice!? That's crazy! Why is that?

Anyway, I'm sure some mechanics specialize in BMWs, just as some do VWs, etc. You shouldn't have to go to a BMW dealer to get the problem fixed.

Why BC has only one auto insurer is a mystery to me too. Even with BC provincial health care, you have to pay a premium in ADDITION to paying for it through taxation. BC has always been a very tax-heavy and government regulated province. I suppose that's the downside to living in a province that rarely gets as cold as the rest of Canada.

I like the way Alberta runs things. Unfortunately, it's just too damn cold there in the winter.

I shouldn't HAVE to go a BMW dealer, but I may need to do so anyway. For instance... I need new windshield wiper blades, right? I checked all the automotive stores and mechanics around and they don't carry the right ones for my car. Why is this? Because BMW won't allow it and demands that all BMW owners go to them -- and pay inflated prices -- for their parts.

QUOTE (SapphireDreams @ Jul 30 2009, 09:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DeadPoolX @ Jul 30 2009, 11:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Rob and Mel @ Jul 30 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is your car a manual or automatic transmission?

Both. It's tiptronic, meaning I can switch between AT and MT anytime I want. I very rarely use MT and most of the time rely on AT. There's also a "sports drive" option, but I only use it when I need a quick burst of speed.

QUOTE (SapphireDreams @ Jul 30 2009, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^^ My Dad drives an old BMW (1983) and the same thing happened to him once. I believe he took it in and it wasn't that much to fix. He also found a really good BMW mechanic in the yellow pages - instead of going to the dealership. Saves him a TON of money.

Sounds like a good idea. I'll need to see how much BMW charges, of course, but whatever it is, they won't be cheap. If I can find someone else who's reputable to do it, I'd go with them.


I believe he got the BMW dealership to give him a quote and check it out and then he went to the other guy in found in the yellow pages to compare and the guy found the same problems and quoted him a lot cheaper. It's worth a try. It turned out that my neighbour, who is a mechanic, actually knows the guy my Dad found. Personally, I think that while BMWs might be expensive to invest in, even when they need repairs they do last a long time. I hope it all works out for you!

I'll definitely look into it. I don't want to pay BMW since they're a ripoff. Having said that, I absolutely agree with you on BMWs. As I said, I've had this one for eight years (getting close to nine, actually) and except for a few instances here and there, it's been a wonderful car.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-30 11:14:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Rob and Mel @ Jul 30 2009, 08:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is your car a manual or automatic transmission?

Both. It's tiptronic, meaning I can switch between AT and MT anytime I want. I very rarely use MT and most of the time rely on AT. There's also a "sports drive" option, but I only use it when I need a quick burst of speed.

QUOTE (SapphireDreams @ Jul 30 2009, 08:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^^ My Dad drives an old BMW (1983) and the same thing happened to him once. I believe he took it in and it wasn't that much to fix. He also found a really good BMW mechanic in the yellow pages - instead of going to the dealership. Saves him a TON of money.

Sounds like a good idea. I'll need to see how much BMW charges, of course, but whatever it is, they won't be cheap. If I can find someone else who's reputable to do it, I'd go with them.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-30 10:56:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
The fun never stops! rolleyes.gif

This time my troubles don't stem from the government (highly unusual, right?), but with my car. My car is a BMW 330Ci, which I bought back in 2001 when it was brand new. It's been a fantastic car over the years, but it's around eight years-old now. Interestingly enough, the mileage on my car is about 25,000 so it hasn't been abused. Unfortunately, at eight years of age is when cars begin having problems.

Now I can understand relatively minor issues, like windshield wiper replacements or A/C trouble -- both of which I need to bring my car into BMW for, as well. But as I said, those aren't super-serious.

Yesterday, my car's acceleration dropped down to that of a golf cart. Let me emphasize that my car normally has amazing acceleration, so I knew there was a problem. I'm not quite sure WHAT the problem is -- my knowledge of automotive technology is basic -- but I'm fairly sure it has something to do with the engine.

If it is the engine, that means BMW will have to fix it (if they can). Fixing something like that will probably run me several thousand dollars. I know that seems like a lot, but this is the same company that wanted to charge me $500 for a simple letter. They're not letting me go without first bleeding me dry.

Here's the problem: I don't have the money to get it fixed. If the car can't be repaired, I'm SOL since I definitely can't afford a new car. I've looked at the least expensive cars (new and pre-owned) on the market and they're still too much.

Add the $3360/year auto insurance (for which there is NO competition since BC only has ONE auto insurance provider) and the cost of importing my car from Texas to Canada, and I've spent thousands already. All of that time, money and hassle with importation would've gone to waste if I can't repair my car.

Even worse is that without a car, my wife and I are contained to our immediate area. That makes going anywhere a huge chore. At least we're within walking distance of some shopping areas. But finding a job in this area is practically impossible (even if people were hiring, which they're not).

Staying within our area will also make it extremely difficult for me to go back to school. I'm planning on doing a paralegal program and the best place for that is Capilano University, which is in North Vancouver. If I were to use public transportation, I'd spend nearly 2 hours each way and have to use multiple buses. The SkyTrain would be useful if it wasn't a 20 minute drive to get to it.

Naturally this occurs when I'm leaving for Houston on a trip. Now I'll probably need to take a cab (which will easily run me $80 each way) and it really complicates issues for my wife. She was going to visit her parents, but in order to do so, she needs to take two ferries. Getting to Horseshoe Bay from where we live normally takes a good 40 minutes (and that's driving on Highway 1), but with a cab or bus? It'll take a long, long time to get there.

I suppose I should be thankful that my car didn't ####### out on me ON THE WAY to the airport. But still... this couldn't come at a less opportune time. mad.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-30 10:31:00
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That's why this is a "go nowhere" debate. Kathryn's experiences in Canada greatly differ from mine, just as my experiences in the U.S. are much different from hers. Does that mean the American and Canadian health care we both experienced is the same for everyone? Nope. So not we're having a debate so much as proclaiming a very subjective viewpoint. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's unlikely we'll get anywhere beyond the "this is how it was for me" situation.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-29 11:51:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 29 2009, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looks like we need to start a new thread about health care issues laughing.gif

Maybe, but it's really a "go nowhere" debate. It seems people either love or hate their respective health care system. tongue.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-29 11:27:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (BermyCat @ Jul 29 2009, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DeadPoolX @ Jul 28 2009, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
However, I distinctly remember seeing an episode of "20/20" (a well-respected television news program that's been on the air since 1978) where the show profiled two elderly Canadians who came to the U.S. for treatment. What happened was the husband needed cancer treatments and surgery. He would've had to wait a year (if not more) to get treatment due to the backlog of people requiring services. So he and his wife visited the U.S. and not only received treatment, but had an MRI which revealed more physiological problems than originally known (and wouldn't have been known until much later under the Canadian health care system).

The reason I bring up "20/20" when other programs have televised similar situations is because "20/20" is generally considered a somewhat left-wing news show. More often than not, the show sides with the Democrats and other liberal ideals. So it's interesting when a left-wing show sides with the American health care system as many Democrats are in-favor of a single-payer system like what's used in Canada.


I wouldn't be too quick to assume that 20/20 does it's research. Many years ago they did a program about money wasted at US bases overseas. They reported that officers at the base in Bermuda were given memberships at exclusive golf clubs on the US taxpayers' tab. They had footage to prove it. Of course, their footage was of a couple of officers playing at Port Royal. The PUBLIC golf course. No membership fees. You pay to play.

I'm assuming that they failed to do their research and weren't spinning things to push an agenda.

~ Catherine

Based upon my experiences with the Canadian health care system so far, I believe 20/20 did do its research. Simply because you haven't experienced something and/or disagree with someone's assessment doesn't make their information wrong. Is it possible 20/20 didn't do a good job researching it or even had an agenda to push? Yes, it is. I don't think that's case since my experiences so far only prove that Canadian health care is an unbelievable mess.

QUOTE (TheATeam @ Jul 29 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While I do think that there is some truth to the "horror" stories that you hear about Canadian health care, I can also say that I don't know anyone in Canada personally who is bankrupt because of medical bills. It's not a concern for most people. So, yes, if you've got money down here or a really great insurance plan, then you don't have to worry about going to the doctor because you might not be able to pay the copay for your insurance. I think it's wrong that you have to second guess whether you'll just get better on your own or if you really need to see the doctor just because you're concerned about money.

Also, hip replacement is a surgery in Canada that seems to take a long time to get but both my grandmother and aunt had their hips replaced within 6 months of being placed on the list. That is because they weren't emergent cases. The same can be said for my mother and her MRI. She needed an MRI for her shoulder and I believe she waited 3 weeksish because she wasn't emergent either. Now, in a small town or smaller city in the US you may need to wait that long anyway.

There are pros and cons to universal healthcare that's for sure. I do think that doctor's visits and blood tests, at the very least, should be part of the universal healthcare, so no one has to worry about going to the doctor.

It's not a whole lot different from wondering if you can even FIND a doctor accepting new patients or get to see a specialist within a reasonable time frame.

Waiting three weeks for an MRI isn't bad. That's still longer than I've ever had to wait, but three weeks is acceptable. Six months for hip replacement surgery is definitely unacceptable. Who is the government to decide whether or not someone's case is an "emergency?" If I feel it's an emergency then it is one -- which is why I like the American system. I wouldn't have to wait anywhere near as long -- maybe a month at the most and very likely much, much less.

Yeah, I know some people might say your medical situation is up for approval from insurance companies, but that's why you get a GOOD one. You can't pick and choose anything in the Canadian system. You take what it is given to you. There are tons of options in the U.S. and while some cost more than others, the options still exist. The same cannot be said in Canada.

Edited by DeadPoolX, 29 July 2009 - 11:25 AM.

DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-29 11:24:00
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QUOTE (MrsCat @ Jul 28 2009, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DeadPoolX @ Jul 28 2009, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (~Laura and Nick~ @ Jul 28 2009, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DeadPoolX @ Jul 28 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I realize not everyone needs an MRI, but the point is that if someone requires it and there's only a few, whoever needs it might have to wait a long, long time. That's just about as inefficient as the U.S. system where it costs a ton without insurance. Both systems hinder access to something that a patient needs.


I disagree.
If you really need it, you'll get it. You may have to travel a bit but it would be available.

P.S. Hi Deadpool star_smile.gif blush.gif

Hi tongue.gif

If you get health care when you really need it, what's with some Canadians going down to the U.S. when they'd otherwise be on a huge waiting list?

And I don't mean elective procedures or anything. There have been cases of people needing surgery, cancer treatments or even diagnostic tests (like an MRI) who would've had to wait six months to a year. Those people went to the U.S. to receive immediate care.


I hear all of these "horror stories" of people going to the US for treatment. But I've lived in Canada for 27 years and have never known anyone who had to go to the US. I've never known anyone who knows someone where this was the case.

Just as anecdotal proof of needing services and them being available. My dad had some weird heart problems two weeks ago. It was 4am on Sunday morning and he decided that he should go to the hospital. He arrived at the ER, he was assessed by a nurse immediately. He was taken in, and by 9am that morning he was meeting with a cardiologist to go over his symptoms. He had an MRI on Monday morning and met with the cardiologist again at 2pm that Monday. He didn't have to wait for anything. No bill, no copay at the end of it.

Well, before visiting this board, I'd never known anyone who had either immigrated to Canada from the U.S. or immigrated to the U.S. from Canada. That doesn't mean it never happens.

I've heard many of the horror stories, too. I can't imagine all of these tales are quite as clear cut as they're made out to be. Location probably matters as do the number of services available in any one city, region and province.

However, I distinctly remember seeing an episode of "20/20" (a well-respected television news program that's been on the air since 1978) where the show profiled two elderly Canadians who came to the U.S. for treatment. What happened was the husband needed cancer treatments and surgery. He would've had to wait a year (if not more) to get treatment due to the backlog of people requiring services. So he and his wife visited the U.S. and not only received treatment, but had an MRI which revealed more physiological problems than originally known (and wouldn't have been known until much later under the Canadian health care system).

The reason I bring up "20/20" when other programs have televised similar situations is because "20/20" is generally considered a somewhat left-wing news show. More often than not, the show sides with the Democrats and other liberal ideals. So it's interesting when a left-wing show sides with the American health care system as many Democrats are in-favor of a single-payer system like what's used in Canada.

So while the concept of "Canadians rushing down to the U.S. to get medical help" may not be a very common one, it has and still does occur. Plus, Minnew's story just goes to further reinforce the idea.

Edited by DeadPoolX, 28 July 2009 - 06:13 PM.

DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-28 18:10:00
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QUOTE (~Laura and Nick~ @ Jul 28 2009, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (DeadPoolX @ Jul 28 2009, 02:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I realize not everyone needs an MRI, but the point is that if someone requires it and there's only a few, whoever needs it might have to wait a long, long time. That's just about as inefficient as the U.S. system where it costs a ton without insurance. Both systems hinder access to something that a patient needs.


I disagree.
If you really need it, you'll get it. You may have to travel a bit but it would be available.

P.S. Hi Deadpool star_smile.gif blush.gif

Hi tongue.gif

If you get health care when you really need it, what's with some Canadians going down to the U.S. when they'd otherwise be on a huge waiting list?

And I don't mean elective procedures or anything. There have been cases of people needing surgery, cancer treatments or even diagnostic tests (like an MRI) who would've had to wait six months to a year. Those people went to the U.S. to receive immediate care.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-28 15:50:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (~Laura and Nick~ @ Jul 28 2009, 06:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am ranting about the stupid Waterdown Ontario woman Shona who is on CNN ranting her head off about universal healthcare.
What the heck is she thinking?
My parents know her personally.....she had a brain tumor and was misdiagnosed in Canada.
She ended up going to Texas and got treatment for a huge amount of money...
Now she's on CNN telling everyone to stay far away from Universal health care in the States.
Is she a moron or what??? As my Dad would say "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater"

Yes it's horrible what happened to her...but lady, this could have happened anywhere in the world.
I don't get why the U.S. can't get with it. They are so busy holding onto their freedom and independence but they are not taking care of their own people...unless those people happen to be loaded.

It's an uphill battle and we just took two steps back.
sigh.

I don't know if this is true or not, but I've heard that Ontario doesn't allow any private health care options. Given that Ontario has the largest population, I can see how getting treatment might be very difficult if private options don't exist.

Something else to consider is that the Texas Medical Center (the largest concentration of medical facilities in the world) is housed in Houston, TX. I don't know if this woman went to Houston and the TMC, but if she did, that's probably why her treatment was so good. It's not unusual for people all over the world to go to the TMC for health care.

Yes, it'll cost a lot of money, but the treatment is fantastic. Having said that, there are many places within Texas -- and every other state -- that have poor health care, as well. It really depends on the location and the medical staff themselves. Having good health insurance also opens up many more opportunities.

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QUOTE (Rob and Mel @ Jul 28 2009, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am of two minds on public healthcare in the U.S.. On a personal level, I have incredible health insurance through my employer. They pay for me and my family with no deductions off my paychecks. I know, I am one of the few who are this lucky. But truth be told, if this were put to a referrendum, I would have a very tough time voting for it. I know that it is to the benefit of millions, but from my personal point of view, it would decrease my standard of living, and inevitably lower my standard of care. But some things are bigger than just yourself.


You're lucky to have such great HC through your job... but what would happen if you lost your job, and lost your HC? Would you change your opinion


Depends upon the coverage I'd get from my next job. Like I said, I know that universal healthcare is something that benefits everyone in the long run. It is just hard for people like me who would be adversely effected here and now by this to support it. I guess I will need to see more details about the funding and scope of the proposed system.

I can definitely see your point. The health coverage I had in Texas made me feel the same way. Maybe I was exceptionally lucky, but then again, I had a PPO instead of an HMO. There's a big difference there and in fact, many physicians have stopped seeing patients who're only covered by HMOs. The reason for this is that HMOs are too difficult to deal with when treating the patient and receiving payment.

I agree with basic universal health coverage (for doctor visits and so forth), but anything beyond that should not be the responsibility of the tax payer. Canada's main problems are a lack of funding and overall efficiency. That's not the health care program's fault, but how government runs it. Money is often extracted from health care to pay for other projects and that leaves health care hurting. If health care lacks the appropriate funds, treatment will suffer and wait times will extend.

There are more MRIs in most U.S. cities than all of Canada. I realize not everyone needs an MRI, but the point is that if someone requires it and there's only a few, whoever needs it might have to wait a long, long time. That's just about as inefficient as the U.S. system where it costs a ton without insurance. Both systems hinder access to something that a patient needs.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-28 13:23:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (autumnchik @ Jul 27 2009, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My vent is about ..... ME! I'm annoyed with myself. I usually think I am pretty nonjudgmental and tolerant of others. But I just got off the phone with my dad and he told me he just started dating someone who happens to be 2 years younger than me. My dad is 71 and normally dates people close to his age. I'm 34. For the most part, I think I don't really care, as long as he is happy .... but I am really pissed off at the part of me that JUST KEEPS THINKING ABOUT THIS AND FEELING A BIT WEIRDED OUT!!! Grrrr. I just want to make my brain shut off.

Believe me, I know how you feel.

While in the hospital and getting treated for lung cancer, my Mom had a physical therapist. My Mom died in 2005 and shortly thereafter, my Dad started DATING that very same physical therapist. To make matters worse, she was in her early 30s while my Dad was in his 50s.

Just him dating someone that much younger would be weird enough, but the same woman who helped take care of my Mom? That seems a little... odd, to say the least. My Dad said he never "got together" with the physical therapist while my Mom was still alive, but a few years later he admitted to cheating on my Mom with multiple women. So I have difficultly taking his word on that.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-27 22:26:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
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QUOTE (Krikit @ Jul 27 2009, 05:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm trying to think. Now that you mention it, I've only ever seen it with domestic flights. We had to go inside for international flights.

I've never been able to use curbside check-in when flying from Texas to Canada, so I have to assume it's only there for domestic flights.

Interestingly enough, some airlines count Canada under the "domestic" banner. I'd prefer that, actually. It'd cut down on the taxes and fees when flying back and forth. tongue.gif


I have used curbside with Northwest when flying out of Reagan to Saskatoon! I find they rarely weight the bags,lol

I normally fly with Continental and I've never flown out of DCA. Maybe it's up to the airline and airport.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-27 13:07:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Krikit @ Jul 27 2009, 05:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm trying to think. Now that you mention it, I've only ever seen it with domestic flights. We had to go inside for international flights.

I've never been able to use curbside check-in when flying from Texas to Canada, so I have to assume it's only there for domestic flights.

Interestingly enough, some airlines count Canada under the "domestic" banner. I'd prefer that, actually. It'd cut down on the taxes and fees when flying back and forth. tongue.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-27 11:48:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Kathryn41 @ Jul 25 2009, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Houston Airport has a cell phone lot - it is actually a pretty good idea. It is a lot a few minutes drive away from arrivals/pickups where you can be phoned on your cell phone when your party is ready to be picked up. Then you can just drive up and know they are ready for you. Our brother-in-law picks us up in Houston and he generally waits in the cell-phone lot for us rather than driving around in circles or having to go and park in the paid lots.

I've lived in Houston my entire life and yet... I never knew about this. blink.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-26 01:51:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
I have another three vents, but these are relatively minor situations.

1. I currently have a migraine that's been hurting for two days straight now. Usually a combo of Relpax and Ultracet does the trick, but not this time. I think all the weather and pressure changes is screwing with my head.

2. I picked my wife up at the Vancouver International Aiport yesterday and it amazed me: there's absolutely no area to pick up arriving passengers! It's all for taxis and limos. I circled around three times. I was getting very, very pissed off. It didn't help matters that I had a migraine (and still do, obviously).

I had to go the parkade to get her. That wouldn't be so bad if it didn't cost $3.50 -- I was only there for 20 minutes. I think that's the reason WHY they don't have a passenger pickup area for arrivals. They want you to use the parkade and earn them money. I know that sounds corrupt, but really... there was NO OTHER AREA for arrivals.

And to think I considered George Bush Intercontinental (Houston's international airport) a real mess...

3. The streets make no sense whatsoever in Vancouver. They start and stop and change names and twist and so on. I really think the same group of a$$holes who designed the streets in Houston came up to Canada. wacko.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-25 11:00:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Kathryn41 @ Jul 25 2009, 07:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
DeadPoolX,

Both those situations are wrong and I'm sorry you are going through that. I have mentioned before that for your problems with Revenue Canada to find out the name of your federal Member of Parliament for the area and go to his office. MP offices have staff who have short-cuts to problem resolution people in various department of the Federal Government, including CRA. In fact, there used to be listed in the blue pages (Government pages) of the telephone book a number for CRA Problem Resolution line that you can also try for yourself. Yeah, some of the CRA staff are 'stuck' in their places and are unable to see the truth or fairness of a situation nor are they willing to step outside of their nice little comfort zone. The Problem Resolution people, however, aren't like that, nor are the staff with whom the MP offices deal - they are senior civil servants and have a lot more authority than others who deal with the public. You can also use the MP to fight to get your name corrected on your landing documents. I know I had a huge fight one time to get that corrected for a VietNam immigrant, but by providing overwhelming evidence of their error to the staff with whom dealt I was able to get it corrected. Hopefully, your MP's staff people will be as tenacious I was. That is their job, though, to sort out problems like this that constituents have with the federal government.

You can also go to your Member of Provincial Parliament's (MPP) office for similar problems with Provincial government issues.

Good luck in getting it sorted out. I am so sorry you are running into all of the idiots who are in government and not getting the good people instead.

Yeah, I'm going to have to really fight. The whole thing with Autoplan and CRA doesn't really bother me right now, provided it all gets ironed out. I think if I send in that form (I forget the name of it, but I've downloaded it and filled it out already) with proof of my income outside Canada and before I became a resident, that should work.

My real beef is with whole "pay me to get the situation fixed" issue. The total monetary cost is minor, but that's not really the point, is it? wink.gif

As for my name... I'll definitely need the MP for that. I haven't pursued that yet since the entire thing sounds like a real hassle and I'm taking a trip to Texas later this week, so I don't want them to -- for some reason or another -- void my PR Card while fixing it or whatever. I doubt they would, but even so, I don't want to chance it. tongue.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-25 10:46:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (trailmix @ Jul 25 2009, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually neither thing makes sense. I assume you have already spoken with a supervisor or manager for autoplan and explained the situation? I'm not familiar with government auto insurance - we don't have that in Alberta - but are they the only agency you can insure with?

As for Revenue Canada - just not right. When you were speaking with the collections department, did they sort it out for you?

Yeah, you're right, neither makes sense, does it? Unfortunately, this has been the "average" experience for me since I arrived in BC. The government -- federal and provincial -- is full of idiots. Even worse, each department will demand payment from you in order to fix their own mistakes.

I originally faced that problem with the federal government when they screwed up my name on my SIN card. I wanted my name corrected and because they had to change it, I was forced to pay ten dollars. Once again, it's not the actual amount that pisses me off so much as the very fact I have to pay them at all when they were the ones who screwed up!

Oh and by the way, the federal government outright REFUSES to correct my name in their databank, because they say my name is whatever it was on the landing document. No amount of evidence claiming otherwise -- such as my birth cert, passport, bank accounts, Canada Spousal Visa, and marriage cert from BC itself -- will suit them. That's why my PR card isn't entirely accurate and of course, it won't be unless the federal government admits they made a mistake and fixes it. They won't do that, of course. When I apply for citizenship, I bet that'll be my new name too. rolleyes.gif

Anyway... Autoplan is the only insurer in BC. I know Alberta doesn't do that (which I like and makes sense to me), but I don't have a choice here. It's either pay or drive without insurance, in which case, I'll be screwed if I ever get pulled over by a cop or get into an accident (whether or not I'm at fault).

I did get a manager and it was the same answer. Cough up $20 to fix their mistake since I didn't know ahead of time about the letter (again, there was no way I could have and if there was, I would've done it) and I need to wait two weeks to two months. That time frame isn't terrible since the refund and subsequent discount is retroactive and then continues permanently from there on out -- assuming I keep a clear claims record, of course. But that's not the point. Why should I pay for their mistake?

As far as Revenue Canada is concerned, the original collections agency CSR I spoke to hung up on me after I asked to speak to a manager. She repeatedly told me that I'd need to "accept it whether or not I liked it." I didn't like it, so I wanted to speak to a manager. Apparently she thought I was out-of-line because I didn't immediately do what she said.

I did eventually get to a manager and he said the CSR was right (in terms of information, not hanging up on me) and that if Revenue Canada approved my claim, the charge would be waived, including any and all accrued interest charges. The processing time for this to occur is anywhere between four and six months -- that's IF there isn't a huge backlog, in which case it can easily take up to a year.

Do you know what ticks me off the most? The fact that NO ONE knows what's going on and can never give me a straight answer! One person will say "this" and another person will say "that." They'll shove me off onto one department and that particular department will either turf me to a different department or worse yet, send me back to the original department. Then they have the nerve to charge me for their mistakes and won't even take responsibility for their actions.

For the record, none of this makes me hate Canada. This is simply government doing what it does best: screw things up and demand money.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-25 08:21:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
TheTreble -- see the thread I created for an apology to you. smile.gif

Now to my vent -- actually two of them. Some of you know that I've had numerous problems with the Canadian government. It hasn't all been bad, but most of it has been quite aggravating. This extends to ICBC/Autoplan and Revenue Canada.

FIRST VENT
When I signed up for insurance with Autoplan, I was told that if I presented them with proof of my claim-free driving history, I'd get a huge discount on the cost of insurance (and it's retroactive, as well). So that's cool and I got my history.

I presented that history to Autoplan and guess what? Problems! They said that I needed to show my history to Autoplan WHEN FIRST APPLYING! That's nice and all, but I was FIRST TOLD about it when applying for the first time. So how was I supposed to know? I actually commented that "I apparently need to know before knowing" to the Autoplan agent I was working with. She laughed and said, "Yeah, that's about right."

Because I didn't know this -- and couldn't have before applying for the first time -- I was getting charged $20 for presenting my history late. I was more than a little annoyed about this, but at least it's only twenty bucks, right? That shouldn't be too hard to pay, right?

Guess again!

Autoplan doesn't accept credit, debit or cash. You know... all three methods of payment that everyone carries on them. So I'd need to get a check or a money order. Naturally, I didn't have either on me.

I then asked if there's any other way. The agent said I could use cash, but then they'd have to get it cleared with their broker. Once that happened they could send it off to ICBC. So they do take cash, but they obviously don't want anyone knowing that.

I asked how long the whole process would take and she said: "Anywhere between two weeks and two months."

I wondered how long it'd take with a check and you know what she said? The very same thing! So I asked what's the benefit to using a check? She replied, "It's easier for us." blink.gif

Needless to say, I used cash. If the wait time is the same, why not?

SECOND VENT
Revenue Canada has decided that it will tax me for income earned OUTSIDE of Canada BEFORE I moved here and became a resident. The info sheet said that if I didn't pay the amount they specified by July 27th, I'd get charged interest.

Well, I knew this didn't sound kosher, so I called them up. The agent said I shouldn't be charged for that and that I need to fill out a form and send it to them explaining my situation. Okay, I figured it'd be something like that. No problem.

The agent also said that I need to contact Revenue Canada's collections department so I'm not charged interest. Once again, that shouldn't be a problem and I thank the agent.

I call the collections department and guess what? Even though the statement I received from Revenue Canada specified that if I didn't pay by July 27th, I'd get charged... they're still charging me interest! Not only that, they started charging me BEFORE they even sent the letter to me!

So this is how it works: I get charged interest before I get a chance to respond and before the deadline, in which I'm supposed to pay or I get charged interest. Does any of this make sense? It sure doesn't to me. wacko.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-25 02:54:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
Uggh.

This is aggravating. All I wanted to do was vent and I got jumped on for doing it. Only ONE individual understood my point. wacko.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:40:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
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QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 20 2009, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why don't you go post in the OT forum? Seriously, stop bashing Canada in here. You're around a bunch of Canadians and it's not gonna fly.

Okay, so as long as I jump on the "Canada is great and America sucks" bandwagon, I'm okay here. God forbid anyone says anything negative about Canada! ohmy.gif


Uhhh you're in the CANADA FORUM HELLLLOOOOOO

What do you expect. We love our own country. And disagree with what you are saying because most of us lived their our entire lives, not a few years like you. We know more about it's culture and diversity than you ever will

Yes, you're right. However, I know more about the U.S. than any of you and when I state something contrary to whatever it is some of you believe (about the U.S.), you fail to acknowledge it. But I suppose living in the U.S. a few years trumps my having lived there my entire life. whistling.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:36:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Ontarkie @ Jul 20 2009, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was watching some show can't remember what is was but they were talking about immagration in Canada how they are thinking that they will require ppl to be learn to speak either french or english since it is the official languages of Canada. Not sure if it will happen.

Anyways I understand your issue with the manager not being able to communicate in english properly, if your going to be in a possition that requires you to be out front working with ppl you should be able to comunicate well enough to do your job. And that wasn't the case for DPX. The guy in the parking garage could of been some sycko and someone could of been killed/kidnapped or what not and if that happened everyone would be wundering why nobody noticed him there or complained about it. Then on the news days later you find out tenents did complain and their complaints went unotice cause the manager didnt understand english well enough to do something. Anyways its frustrating.

Its happened before and will happen again.

THANK YOU!

That was the point of my vent. good.gif

Edited by DeadPoolX, 20 July 2009 - 01:30 PM.

DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:29:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 20 2009, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why don't you go post in the OT forum? Seriously, stop bashing Canada in here. You're around a bunch of Canadians and it's not gonna fly.

Okay, so as long as I jump on the "Canada is great and America sucks" bandwagon, I'm okay here. God forbid anyone says anything negative about Canada! ohmy.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:26:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Jul 20 2009, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whoa he's going off the deep end to prove his point. laughing.gif

Believe what you will, but Canada does NOT celebrate diversity. Maybe it's more accepting of it than the U.S., but it's not completely accepting of other cultures, languages and practices.

You can't say, "I accept other cultural values so long as they mesh with mine." That's not acceptance. If you want to accept another culture, then you do so, whether or not you agree with it. If you can't do that, then it's merely cherry picking which facets of other cultures you like and which ones you don't.


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QUOTE (*Len* @ Jul 20 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soooooo.... why don't you move back to Texas then?

The same reason most of the individuals on this board don't move back to where they originally came from...

All I'm saying is that the Canadian definition of diversity seems hypocritical. It's basically stating that "we accept your culture so long as you adopt Canadian culture." blink.gif

I don't blame Canada for that. It makes sense. Some practices in other cultures are considered horrific here and shouldn't be made legal. However, if Canada truly wished to practice total diversity, it would accept those practices.


uh, ok.... but for the record, most individuals on this board do not go out of their way to b1tch and moan about their new digs as much as you do since you moved to Canada wink.gif

Have you read this board?! huh.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:23:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (*Len* @ Jul 20 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Soooooo.... why don't you move back to Texas then?

The same reason most of the individuals on this board don't move back to where they originally came from...

All I'm saying is that the Canadian definition of diversity seems hypocritical. It's basically stating that "we accept your culture so long as you adopt Canadian culture." blink.gif

I don't blame Canada for that. It makes sense. Some practices in other cultures are considered horrific here and shouldn't be made legal. However, if Canada truly wished to practice total diversity, it would accept those practices.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:15:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Jul 20 2009, 11:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're an idiot. laughing.gif

I guess it takes one to know one. tongue.gif
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:06:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
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QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 20 2009, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh my gosh, I have no words. Sigh, I miss Canada and it's diversity and all that goes along with it.

So in other words... it's okay for people to refuse to learn or even acknowledge English and French and thereby demand that Canadians learn their language instead. Got it, thanks.


You should change your SN to 'brick wall'.

You're right -- I am beating my head against a brick wall. No one here seems to understand that foreigners conform to the country they live in, not the other way around.

But then again... Canada adores diversity. I guess stoning people to death and female circumcision is okay. Those exist in other cultures and to accept diversity (such as Canadians have) they must be willing to accept this as well. If not, then they are demanding people from another culture do things the Canadian way.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:04:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Jul 20 2009, 10:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's unrealistic to expect a foreigner to learn perfect English right away. It takes YEARS.

What part of "not needing complete mastery" are you having trouble understanding? The point is that immigrants need to learn the language well enough to communicate effectively. If they can understand English well and get others to understand them when speaking it, then there's no problem.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 13:00:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 20 2009, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh my gosh, I have no words. Sigh, I miss Canada and it's diversity and all that goes along with it.

So in other words... it's okay for people to refuse to learn or even acknowledge English and French and thereby demand that Canadians learn their language instead. Got it, thanks.
DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 12:59:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Jul 20 2009, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last time I checked its a country full of (mostly) immigrants... not everyone is going to have perfect English.

Immigrants at one time or another, yes. But immigrants USED to learn English, if for no other reason, finding work without knowing it can be very difficult.

Once again, having complete mastery of a language is different from being able to communicate it in well enough to understand others and have them understand you.

Edited by DeadPoolX, 20 July 2009 - 12:57 PM.

DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 12:57:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 20 2009, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 20 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Jul 20 2009, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Theres a cheesesteak place in Philly that has a sign on it's window that says: "ORDER IN ENGLISH ONLY!"

and I always see shirts down at the shore for sale that say: "Welcome to America, SPEAK ENGLISH!"

I dunno, that kind of attitude disgusts me. I understand the frustration of language barriers, BUT imagine how someone must feel coming here. They are probably more frustrated and overwhelmed than we are. I mean we deal with it off and on, and for them it's constant.


I heard about that steak place... I would NEVER give them any business! Bunch of bigots mad.gif

So it's a sign of bigotry when a business expects customers to speak in that country's dominant language? Interesting. I guess every American should learn every other language, so we can better accommodate those who enter the U.S. and refuse to learn themselves.


Are you serious? Do you think it's right and OK to turn away customers if their english isn't 100% proper and cannot order a cheesesteak in perfect English? This cheesesteak shop's owner went on record to say that he wants NO foreigners at his store, only English people. You don't think that's being a bigot, turning away someone that wants a cheesesteak that may speak French or Spanish or Chinese and has a hard time ordering a steak!?

There's a difference between knowing a language perfectly and being able to speak it well enough to communicate. If someone knows English well enough to order food in English, then I can't see there being a problem. The store owners probably don't know Spanish or anything beyond English. So it's unrealistic to expect them to learn a foreign language simply to accommodate those customers who refuse to learn English after coming to the United States.

Edited by DeadPoolX, 20 July 2009 - 12:56 PM.

DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 12:55:00
CanadaThe Vent - Part 2
QUOTE (JillA @ Jul 20 2009, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Sprailenes @ Jul 20 2009, 01:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Theres a cheesesteak place in Philly that has a sign on it's window that says: "ORDER IN ENGLISH ONLY!"

and I always see shirts down at the shore for sale that say: "Welcome to America, SPEAK ENGLISH!"

I dunno, that kind of attitude disgusts me. I understand the frustration of language barriers, BUT imagine how someone must feel coming here. They are probably more frustrated and overwhelmed than we are. I mean we deal with it off and on, and for them it's constant.


I heard about that steak place... I would NEVER give them any business! Bunch of bigots mad.gif

So it's a sign of bigotry when a business expects customers to speak in that country's dominant language? Interesting. I guess every American should learn every other language, so we can better accommodate those who enter the U.S. and refuse to learn themselves.

What's really fascinating is that Americans are called "bad tourists" if we expect people in other countries to know and speak English. We're called "bad tourists" if we refuse to speak in that country's language. But if Americans demand that foreigners speak English, well... we're bigots.

Edited by DeadPoolX, 20 July 2009 - 12:52 PM.

DeadPoolXMaleCanada2009-07-20 12:50:00