Forum	Title	Content	Member	Sex	Country	Date/Time
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	K-1 fiance official name	I went through this process for the K3. You must use all the names because they are ALL his legal names. Also be sure to use all four on everything, even when he gets here. Some people here will automatically hyphenate the two last names, but I don't think that matters much. Good luck!	Married2aTico	Female	Costa Rica	2009-10-08 10:41:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Bio Father refusing to allow C.R. Passport.	Jeremy - Thanks very much for the heads up on getting the passport and permission together. We will definitely go this route. My husband is now in the U.S. with me - any idea on what type of permission he needs to sign so his daughter can go alone with her mother to get the passport and permission? Franc - Women do have LOTS of rights in Costa Rica. Men there must pay any court-mandated child support by the appointed date each month. If the money is not deposited, the mother simply needs to go and file a claim at the local courthouse. Then the father must present proof of payment or is subject to arrest. Also, women can periodically (once a year, I think) apply for a raise in child support. If the father has not made a salary filing (I forget the CR terminology for this), the judge can order the highest amount allowed by law. I tell you all this because these are tools your fiance can use to "negotiate" with the child's father. 1. She could go to court any date and file for all the back child support and he could and in jail. 2. If he wants to be difficult, she can have his support raised (and probably still file for sole custody, as these are two separate issues). Good luck!!!!	Married2aTico	Female	Costa Rica	2010-03-27 01:48:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I-129F	I am going to take a guess that by posts you are talking about FB. ...sometimes its a bane. As others have said, just keep an eye out for red flags. Both I, as the petitioner, and her as the beneficiary, there have been situations where we thought the other might not be ready. It happens. I am considered young for the men that start I-129F for the women in the beneficiary's country, by about 30 years. I'll admit that some jokes on FB that she can see may seem like flirting. But I will stand by her. With her, being young and leaving friends and family I was scared. There was something she said along the lines of not knowing what she wants to do in the future that made me scared as well. I just know that never asking for money from me was a big thing to know where her intentions really were. Take what you can from this	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-03-23 18:46:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Making sure petition isn't lost	It isn't zero. It is less than your chances of being killed in a car accident today though. Your petitin has been there just over ONE MONTH. Do not expect anything to happen for 5 months minimum. They receive your petition, pack it in a box and send it to the Service Center. It remains in the box until a few minutes before it is adjusicated and either approved or you get an RFE. Isn't the 5 months more of a target date than an actual minimum? You seem to know a lot about this topic anyway because you do post a lot. But realistic he shouldn't be expecting anything within the 3 months after the NOA1 since he is not expediting. From the timelines, it seems the CSC average is actually closer to the 5 month mark for the NOA2... both the average processing date and the fact that most now NOA2 seem to fall before early November for NOA1.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-03-30 10:17:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Making sure petition isn't lost	I sent mine in at the end of December and there isnt a reply for mine either. You can look at the processing time tab that shows the average time for each center like the CSC for K1. I've been keeping track using the immigration timelines info and just sorting it out by the service center used. This is how you can guess when there will be an NOA2. And yes it does seem like certain countries take precedance over others due to the high fraud rates. No one states whether or not the military expedite proceedure is used by the petitioner, if it be the case. If country does matter even though it is never stated anywhere, your fiance is coming from a high fraud place just like mine. I bookmarked this to get an even better understanding: http://www.visajourn...on-information/	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-03-30 06:48:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Is this document my NOA 2?	Not the notice of action from the processing center. Sometimes the NVC can be forwarded the accepted 129F before you receive the second notice of action from the local processing center. This just means you are on to the next step and the embassy in Thailand will be getting the documents from the NVC sometime in the next couple weeks. The NVC will process it in a short time. Did you expedite somehow?	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-03-30 13:53:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Withdrawing K1	There was a topic where I could have asked but it was locked. What happens if a petition is withdrawn? Are the names for petitioner and beneficiary still in the Homeland Security system as a red flag? Does it still restrict you the same as an approval does for two years?	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-04-11 10:28:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	ds-260 who is the petioner?	That's because it says on the DoS site that its only used for I-130, I-140, I-360, and I-526. K1 is an I-129F. The US embassy in Mexico site did not provide a clickable link for the K non-immigrant visa types to provide instructions.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-04-17 06:49:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS account	Off course we share the info, besides, this is a two people process if you can not trust her/him the password of your case are you going to trust her/him on everything else? If u must question already what does that tell you? Has nothing to do with trust and I dont think it tells anything by asking. What more would it tell the beneficiary than it would tell the petitioner? If you are talking all the time there is no need for two people to do the same thing one can. My only feeling is that it can give the beneficiary some piece of mind knowing they can check it themselves. With how many problems it seems people have already posted on this thread and how many people dont even see an update on the site before they get a letter in the mail that is two steps ahead, I figured this site was more useful to the beneficiary to see similar timelines and estimated approval dates..... and answers to any questions about all processes.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-04-21 08:40:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	USCIS account	Anyone give their beneficiary (fiance) the receipt number or acount logon for USCIS? Just curious The receipt number only provides status while the logon provides the last touched date.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-04-20 13:16:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	A few questions	Not always can the foreigner get a visa to enter. As was stated on a previous reply there needs to be strong ties to the foreigner's home in the country of origin. Homeland security will just see a poor person entering the US so either I-129F or I-130 are the only means to get them here.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-04-25 09:26:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	NO NOA2 December Filer	Mine is at VSC and with received date 12/27 and NOA1 12/29 with no NOA2 yet. They allowed me a service request calling the NCSC. You can if you wish seeing as they are onto January with both VSC and CSC. Calicolom, It is supposed to be first come first served, but I do stress the supposed part.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-05-24 06:07:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Confused about effects of a criminal record?	Sorry for the dumb question but I am a bit confused as to why I need a waiver when it's my fiance (the petitioner/USC) that has the criminal record not me (the beneficiary/australian) You don't need. He may need. However, It seems weapons possesion is not a crime listed in the 129f instructions. They will see it on his criminal record anyway, so I dont believe anything needs to be sent.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-05-25 10:24:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	how did this possible?	Something had to be done by the petitioner that was to be done by the beneficiary. The birth certificate is not required at the filing stage for the I-129F. I had typed up a letter of intent as well as filled out the G-325A form for the beneficiary, emailed both forms to her, and had her print out and sign and return to me. It says right in the instructions for the I-129F that a letter of intent is required. As far as the passport style photo, he might have taken it from pictures he had already of her. If the G-325A was missing a signature and/or there was no letter of intent, signed, there should have been an RFE.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-05-05 13:48:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	filing waiver	What exactly happens if you are approved at USCIS, then withdraw, and then attempt to apply again within the following two years? Obviously the instructions state you need a waiver, but what really happens? Does the process that takes everyone else 5 months (we all know that isnt true...lol) but having names already in the USCIS system as approved make it much longer the second time around? Idk if anyone here has withdrawn and then re-applied for the same person within two years after the withdrawal. I'd like to know both cases.. the second attempt with the same person or the second attempt with someone else. Clarification : I am only talking about the initial stage at USCIS, not for being denied at the embassy or any other situation like AP prolonging things, ect.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-07-08 21:37:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	People make up your mind before bringing someone here!!	There are all different cases. Its been said over an over, but a majority of foreigners believe its a better life here. Petitioners and beneficiaries do abuse the system. It's inevitable that someone will try. Some petitioners do believe that a woman from a different country is different than one he can find here. There are cultural and morale differences. Even petitioners have seen the warning signs but yet beg the foreigner to come here to marry. I cant list all the situations here, but realize that even with the best possible situation between fiances, you can learn something new about the other that wasnt prevalent before. There just happened to be a new situation that arose that your fiance showed something you can't live with them doing again and again. And no, the 90 days is not designed as a test drive. It was set as that long to be realistic. But it does also work where you can do a slight test drive. Whatever.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-06-05 06:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Affidavit of Support	Idk why right now you are worried about the I-864. For the K1 process, the I-134 is used by the beneficiary at the interview and as you stated there are only the petitioner's assets/income listed. The I-864 is used for the AoS after being married. The reason for the I-134, is to show that the petitioner's income can support you when you are here. I believe even with assets here in the petitioner's name, they still look at her income being 126% of the poverty level. The assets like house or saved money are help. Idk how you intend to sell your place, send the money to her (which I think it has to be in her name to be put on the I-134), and still have a place to stay while waiting for the interview.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-08-15 07:57:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Question re: returned I-129F	I believe that you do worry too much. The part about criminal offense, you are only supposed to answer if you said a yes to being convicted of a criminal offense. If you never were, you dont answer the second part. Same thing with the military. It specifically says "if you are serving.... please answer." If you are not serving, then you don't answer. If someone had a problem, then it was the person interpreting the form (USCIS rep or wherever the petitioner had the problem) that didn't read it correctly.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-05-18 09:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Address Specifications???	Aren't you going to have to put an answer for how you met/have been with your fiance for the past 2 years? Item #18. You are going to explain you were living in the DR on the I-129F and you are putting the DR address for the G325A biometrics obvi.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-08-30 06:15:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	got my RFE ..and i need some help to what they want from me	really?? all of you who answered disregarded what was written? Copying the blank pages is asked for, but it seems more like only the arrival and departure stamps were scanned, NOT THE FIRST TWO PAGES WHICH SHOWS PASSPORT NUMBER, PHOTO, DOB, ADDRESS, ECT... which are the identification pages for the passport holder. The OP, you can scan the blank pages if you wish, but it seems like the identification pages at the beginning are what you need to scan. You can re-scan the entry and departure stamps as well (which I would recommend) and possibly the pages in-between (which I feel is extraneous).	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-09-18 09:53:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Are Bar Girls Disqualified From Getting a Visa?	Just some more aspects to consider with madtownguy's post. The majority of bar girls are into shabu (meth). She may have only done it for two weeks, but is she going to continue while you are waiting for the K1 to process? Bar girls tend to be high maintenance women. But, after you have thought things through very carefully and you still proceed, I agree that you only tell significants to how you met. Something simple like you met at a bar, and maybe give times where you met up to do things. I assume you did more together than just meet at a bar and had two times with the exchange of service, if you are planning on going through the K1 process.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-09-21 07:35:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I-129F Questions	Of course it would be in the beneficiary's country, Form I-129F, Question #20 specifically asks that: "20. Your fiancé(e) will apply for a visa abroad at the American embassy or consulate at:" I stated Guangzhou in my initial posting of last night. That was based on my personal experience, and I expanded that explanation this morning. A review of the VJ site's "Embassy Info" pages for China (PRC) would show that there are two consulates that process K-1 visas, Hong Kong and Guangzhou. Due to the specific differences and requirements of each US embassy/consulate in foreign countries, I have learned to defer to the people that have personal experience in the visa processes of that particular country's interviewing US embassies/consulates. YMMV Yeah.. Check this site: http://www.usembassy.gov/ The Hong Kong embassy isn't even on the list. But, if you find the site specific to Hong Kong, it does state they do I-130 and I-140.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-09-25 14:00:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I-129F Questions	Regarding your response to #20, I believe that your information is in need of correction. For the correct information: please read the first link that I previously provided: http://guangzhou.use...rant_visas.html Here is the text of the second paragraph from that link: "Welcome to the Guangzhou Immigrant Visa Unit Foreign Service Officers of the Guangzhou Immigrant Visa Unit adjudicate all immigrant visas for residents of the People's Republic of China. This is the only office handling immigrant visas in China. The post also accepts Third Country Nationals on a discretionary basis." I know that is correct. My (now) wife, from northern China, had her K-1 visa interview this past June at the US Consulate in Guangzhou. Good luck on your visa journey. Yes, The point I was getting at was correct that it wouldn't be in the US. It would be in the beneficiary's country, i.e. China. It't misleading because the DoS lists all these embassies in China but you have to open each link individually and select the visa types to find out which place handles which type. So, yes it would be Guangzhou. I didn't see your reply before I posted. Again... misleading because anyone knows the K1 is a Non-Immigrant type visa and just like the Manila embassy site, it's listing the K1 under the immigrant visa category.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-09-25 12:37:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I-129F Questions	I'm filling out the I-129F form and had some quick questions about it. The example form is here (or here, if that link didn't work for you). I-129F PART A 7. Other Names Used - Current or past names? I legally changed my name seven years ago (both first and last names), do I need to put the old name down? Will I need to show the court order for the name change later on? 10. My citizenship was acquired through... - I was born outside of the U.S. and naturlized at sixteen. I checked "Naturalization". I don't need to also check "Parents," correct? It says check one. PART B 1. Should I go by what is on her passport? If so, her Chinese first name would be written "Yilin." I just want to make sure there will be no issues later regarding "Yilin" or "Yi Lin." Like I said, passport writes the first name without a space, should I stick to that? 2. Address - Which address should I go by? Her parents live in Henan, she herself up until recenlty was living in the dorms of her university in Wuhan. This year I rented her a small apartment... I guess common sense would be to use the address of the apartment in which she lives now, but as far as the bureaucrats are concerned, is there some other criterion by which to determine OFFICIAL address? 4. Date or birth - The date of birth on her passport is one month off from her actual date of birth (typical in China), but again, I go by the passport, right? 18. I wrote: "We met and were together in Wuhan from December 25th 2010 until July 2011, then again from September 2011 till February 2012, and finally from July to September 2012." Required evidence notwithstanding, is this what they want to see in this box? 20. I live in New York, should I put New York here? Or the U.S. embassy in China? If so, which one? Thanks. 7. Other names used, just like the others replied, yes. Put the old name down and I would provide a copy of the change just so the information is at hand just to avoid an RFE. The US gov't has access to the name change so they can view records themselves with background check, however sending is being proactive. 10. Yes, only use Naturalization. If the situation was that you were not yet a citizen but had a green card (and your parents petitioned you as alien relative) you would use through parents. If you went through the naturalization, that's what to use. 1. I would recommend the passport name. The space might not be an issue. But the true guarantee is to follow what is on the birth certificate. Obvi the passport should match the birth certificate. My fiance had her name wrong on her birth certificate but got an affidavit. I used the correct name (which she didn't have passport yet). 2. Use the address where she will receive mail. This is obvi where they will be returning her passport with the K1 when it's complete. So, If you forsee she will not stay at the appartment by the expected time the visa is approved you might want to consider using the parent's address. You will be only required to put down one address here. The G-325A is where you will list all places lived for the beneficiary within past 5 years. For ONLY the I-129F, the dorm address is disregarded completely. 4. Use the DOB from the birth certificate. If it matches the passport, then I do not need to distinguish which to use because it's pointless. 18. Yes. That is sufficient. The copy of your passport stamps for Dec/10-July/11 and Sept/11-Feb/12 along with the photos of you together show the proof of having met. They just want a brief statement on how you met. 20. I'm thinking the only one is in Bejing, China. This is where she will do her interview. Way before she sets foot into the US at POE. New york, Nay.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-09-25 11:22:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I-129F Denied :(	Look on the good side of this. She has the opportunity to complete her degree now while in the Philippines at a fraction of the cost in the US. Good luck in your journey!! And the degree in the Philippines can't be used here. Nursing, they can take the bar exam twice including the one in the US, but all other degrees are useless here.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-08-02 10:56:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I-129F Denied :(	That's because it actually takes very little to prove you have met, a passport stamp and a photo is enough for some countries. Some put in a lot to play on the safe side. But putting in nothing proves nothing. Not even a signed document from beneficiary? And it clearly states that if you have not met, you must include evidence of one of the accepted reasons why. In your other example it does not say if you have not been convicted of a crime you must prove why.If you have not benn convicted of a crime they see that as a good thing, if you have not met your Fiance, they see that as a red flag. P.S. If you have never been married before, you do not need to include proof of divorce. I do agree that it does state more than just the I-129F and payment are required and missing everything else is being oblivious. It is apparent that some proof of meeting is required. I was only saying certain points are not explicit w/c why some take it to extremes.	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-08-01 13:24:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I-129F Denied :(	I hate to be harsh, but, the instructions on the I-129F are clear. If you only sent that form and money, not only you wasted money, you wasted time. Yes, I can assure you that's why you're denied. You must fill out all the forms and send evidence of having met in person within 2 years. So, if you haven't seen her in 2 years prior to filing, you must return to her home country and gather evidence of meeting her within that timeframe. Becareful with using western union receipts as evidence as it may look like a business transaction. You will have to refile and spend more money and wait more time. Actually I disagree that they are clear. The instructions do say proof of having met within the past two years, but its quite obvious how people interpret this differently. Look at previous posts and you see how some included very little and others put a lot; both were approved. Form part C, question 1, I have heard of people getting an RFE for having it blank. But it seems it could be read as "if.....blah blah blah". Therefore if you don't even meet any criteria you don't even bother to answer it. Not even with an 'N/A'. Another example would be "were you ever convicted of a crime? Y N" and the next question was "did the conviction result in prison time?" (just an example). If you answered No to the first part, why would you even bother putting something in for the second part?	MangoAve	Male	Philippines	2012-08-01 08:00:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Ability To Withdraw Applications	Thanks everyone for your help. Basically - it'####### or miss. And it's not a bad move to withdraw my application if it turns out to be a "miss", and then just get married. K3 would suck because it takes months longer - but this is like - either REALLY good or REALLY bad. Thanks again.	djveed	Not Telling	India	2006-07-26 10:40:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Ability To Withdraw Applications	I would tend to agree, get married and go the K-3 route instead of wasting time on the k-1, even then June might be a bit optomistic. Okay. Ouch. Well for obvious logistic reasons the earliest time that we can get married will be December. With that said - I opted for the sliver of chance of getting K1 approved. So the end result will be either REALLY GOOD (K1 approval) or REALLY BAD (lonely 2007). If something dramatic changes and I can get married say in August, is it easy to withdraw my K1 filed application?	djveed	Not Telling	India	2006-07-26 01:11:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Ability To Withdraw Applications	Sounds a bit unlikey that a K3 will be approved in 5 months. might as well marry now and count that 5 mos toward your K3... you'll need every bit of it, and then some.... Jen Hm. How long are you suggesting the K3 normally takes?	djveed	Not Telling	India	2006-07-26 00:58:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Ability To Withdraw Applications	Where are you planning to get married if the K1 is not approved in 5 months? Jen Having a wedding in India is a lot cheaper. So if there is no approval in five months, the wedding probably will be in India. Followed by a US-reception (after K3 approval). I'm starting to get nauseous.	djveed	Not Telling	India	2006-07-26 00:36:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Ability To Withdraw Applications	Okay - this is what I decided. Please tell me if this was foolish or mediocre. I have a small wedding planned for 5 months and 2 days from today. I went ahead and applied for K1. I am hoping the K1 gets accepted in five months. The way I see it - this will enable her to come here fastest. If it is not accepted in five months, I figure I'll just withdraw the K1 completely, get married, and then apply for K3. Obviously this will take longer. Basically - K1 approved in time, she is here with me in January. If not, she's here with me by June via K3. Thoughts?	djveed	Not Telling	India	2006-07-26 00:11:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	I-129F mailed, but no NOA1	Vanee - I wouldn't start worrying quite yet. Reception on the 6th of February to today, the 22nd, is only 12 business days. Give it another week and then start sweating.	djveed	Not Telling	India	2007-02-22 07:42:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedures	Interview Date	QUOTE (spectheintro @ Oct 14 2009, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> QUOTE (sama @ Oct 14 2009, 11:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hello, I live in Dubai, UAE.. Our case got completed on Oct 2nd....waiting for a interview appointment letter from NVC.. I really wonder iss U.S. EMBASSY in Abudhabi is so busy, it takes so long to get an appointment.....We were expecting a early interview.. but knowing now your case got completed on Aug 26th..& still no interview date.. worried........Just keep praying, praying thats all we can do, Inshaallah we all get our interview appointments sooner .... Sama-- please do keep us posted about your progress--I'm going to be interviewing at Abu Dhabi myself (well, my wife is) and I am getting increasingly nervous about the sudden and unexpected delay in interview scheduling for Abu Dhabi. Please let us know if you get an interview scheduled soon. Thanks! Salam, I'm getting worried 2. Mine was completed Sep 8. Nothing so far. they told me to call back in one week. But with Aug completion pending the interview, I doubt we will get anything by the end of this week. it's sad.	Armin	Male	0	2009-10-14 20:55:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & Procedures	Girfriend in Brazil, B1 visa or K1	I thought Brazil was added to the Visa Waiver program(2007) so there is no need for the B1. Am I correct ?	kommie	Male	Poland	2008-01-17 22:07:00
Middle East and North Africa	admin review saga continues :(	~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Update ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ here goes.. I wont EVER get to be with my Bingo ... never ever never never ever!. Friday July 7th. the ISL embassy tried to issue the visa. and it Triggered not just ONE security check but 4 of them byches. we already knows it takes 4 months + to clear a security check. I guess we wont be togeather for the christmas holidays coz, 4 months from now is < nov>. I did not tell Javed yet. this is gonna crush him. I know its crushing me. but I am not gonna cry. not gonna cry noooo I cant cry.. I have contacted my congressman to get update from the embassy. they like alwats are failing to respond. so she is resending an e mail to them.. I'm so sorry to hear this. What a shame. Edited by Jamaica to CT, 14 July 2006 - 05:45 PM.	Jamaica to CT	Female	0	2006-07-14 17:44:00
Middle East and North Africa	GOT IT!!!	Congrats!!	Jamaica to CT	Female	0	2006-07-24 19:59:00
Middle East and North Africa	Hachemi has set foot on US soil!!!	Congratulations!! Welcome home Hachemi!!	Jamaica to CT	Female	0	2006-08-25 17:44:00
Middle East and North Africa	We're parents!	Congratulations and best wishes on the birth of your twins!!	Jamaica to CT	Female	0	2006-09-06 21:10:00
Middle East and North Africa	Sunday	How's the color in Boston? I'm in Connecticut and we're not near peak yet. It is a beautiful day for it though. Enjoy.	Jamaica to CT	Female	0	2006-10-08 10:07:00