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US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionIncome and Loss
Sorry, I tried editing my previous response and couldn't. Here's what is should read:

QUOTE (diadromous mermaid @ Jul 17 2009, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you're confounding "business income", or in your case "the income derived from the services you provide" from "personal income". In determining income for USCIS, a self-proprietor takes the inome of the business that is attributed to himself or left over to pay himself for the service he has offered to his entity ( that would be after business deductions, cost of goods sold, expenses etc) and uses that figure (from Schedule C) in lieu of providing a w-2, which is what an employee would have. The citation you quote from the FAM is written as it pertains to an individual, an indididual's income (not an entities' income), so "deductions" in this context refer to personal deductions, itemized and the federal standard deductions.
QUOTE (Steve_and_Lina @ Jul 13 2009, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, I'm in a discussion now with the US Consulate in Moscow on this very topic, as this is throwing a major wrench in the visa applications for my wife and stepdaughter.

I work mainly as an independent contractor and the majority of my income is reported to me on 1099s. When I do my taxes, I fill out a Schedule C and on line 7, enter my total income. Further down the form, I then enter all my deductions, subtract them from my income, and this figure gets transferred over to my 1040 on line 12.

Now, the issue of contention is this. According to the Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 9 (which is the guidebook for the regulations involving, among other things, immigrant visas), in section 9 FAM 40.41 N5.5-1, income is defined as follows:

"Income", for the purpose of Form I-864, means total unadjusted income as shown on the tax return, before deductions. Total unadjusted income includes not only salary (if any) but also monetary gains from any other source, such as rent, interest, dividends, etc.

It is my argument that the amount that gets transferred over to the 1040 line 12 is not unadjusted income, but adjusted income, since that figure represents my income minus deductions. As you can see, that conflicts with the directive I quoted above.

Instead, when considering income, I am contending that the State Department should use the figure on line 7 of the Schedule C and all other income on lines 7-11 and 13-21 on form 1040.

I will post a new comment when the Consulate issues their ruling. In the meantime, I'll continue to be sick to my stomach from worrying and unable to sleep. Isn't this fun?



No, I'm not confusing it. I don't own a business per se. I'm not incorporated or in any sort of partnership. I don't have any employees.

The entire thing hinges upon 2 definitions.

1- income, which we saw from above is defined as this- Total unadjusted income includes not only salary (if any) but also monetary gains from any other source, such as rent, interest, dividends, etc

I get hired for jobs and get paid by 1099 instead of by W2. This is my salary and because of the IRS tax code, I must declare this income on a Schedule C, rather than on my 1040.

2- Unadjusted income

By definition, this is income before deductions.

Now, let's look at this. Suppose I owned a property and rented it out. According to the definition above, the rent would be defined as income and factored in and zero consideration is given to the cost/expense of the property- taxes, renovations/improvements, closing costs, etc etc. All things that deduct from the amount made from the property have zero bearing in this and you can claim the full amount of rent received as income for the purposes of the I-864, even if you spent 10 times the rent you received on renovations/etc. Heck, even if you torched the place and insurance paid zippo and you lost out on a $500,000 property, it wouldn't matter because USCIS/the State Dept don't care about that side of the equation. They only care about income.

So why should Schedule C deductions be treated differently? If the argument is because they're expenses I must pay, then consistency demands that W2 income be treated in the exact same manner. But it's not. The regulation specifically states "prededuction income". It doesn't differentiate between business/schedule C deductions and any of the 1040 deductions.

And again, if anything, because I am allowed to write off so many more things than W2 employees, I get to keep a far greater portion of my income and logically, this should weigh even more in my favor, not less. To take your argument, when all is said and done, after expenses I have more money to pay myself, especially considering that what I am allowed to write off in expenses in terms of mileage greatly exceeds what I actually pay.

But this should be a moot point, going back to the whole "unadjusted income" argument.

It's a huge black hole I've fallen into here. Surely I can't be the first person who's run into this since these regs were put in back in '96. Or I just found a big loophole that other people completely missed. I don't know.
Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-07-17 19:49:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionIncome and Loss
QUOTE (diadromous mermaid @ Jul 17 2009, 07:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you're confounding "business income", or in your case "the income derived from the services you provide" from "personal income". In determining income for USCIS, a self-proprietor takes the inome of the business that is attributed to himself or left over to pay himself for the service he has offered to his entity ( that would be after business deductions, cost of goods sold, expenses etc) and uses that figure (from Schedule C) in lieu of providing a w-2, which is what an employee would have. The citation you quote from the FAM is written as it pertains to an individual, an indididual's income (not an entities' income), so "deductions" in this context refer to personal deductions, itemized and the federal standard deductions.
QUOTE (Steve_and_Lina @ Jul 13 2009, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, I'm in a discussion now with the US Consulate in Moscow on this very topic, as this is throwing a major wrench in the visa applications for my wife and stepdaughter.

I work mainly as an independent contractor and the majority of my income is reported to me on 1099s. When I do my taxes, I fill out a Schedule C and on line 7, enter my total income. Further down the form, I then enter all my deductions, subtract them from my income, and this figure gets transferred over to my 1040 on line 12.

Now, the issue of contention is this. According to the Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 9 (which is the guidebook for the regulations involving, among other things, immigrant visas), in section 9 FAM 40.41 N5.5-1, income is defined as follows:

"Income", for the purpose of Form I-864, means total unadjusted income as shown on the tax return, before deductions. Total unadjusted income includes not only salary (if any) but also monetary gains from any other source, such as rent, interest, dividends, etc.

It is my argument that the amount that gets transferred over to the 1040 line 12 is not unadjusted income, but adjusted income, since that figure represents my income minus deductions. As you can see, that conflicts with the directive I quoted above.

Instead, when considering income, I am contending that the State Department should use the figure on line 7 of the Schedule C and all other income on lines 7-11 and 13-21 on form 1040.

I will post a new comment when the Consulate issues their ruling. In the meantime, I'll continue to be sick to my stomach from worrying and unable to sleep. Isn't this fun?



No, I'm not confusing it. I don't own a business per se. I'm not incorporated or in any sort of partnership. I don't have any employees.

The entire thing hinges upon 2 definitions.

1- income, which we saw from above is defined as this- Total unadjusted income includes not only salary (if any) but also monetary gains from any other source, such as rent, interest, dividends, etc

I get hired for jobs and get paid by 1099 instead of by W2. This is my salary.

2- deduction.

Now, let's look at this. Suppose I owned a property and rented it out. According to the definition above, the rent would be defined as income and factored in and zero consideration is given to the cost/expense of the property- taxes, renovations/improvements, closing costs, etc etc. All things that deduct from the amount made from the property have zero bearing in this and you can claim the full amount of rent received as income for the purposes of the I-864, even if you spent 10 times the rent you received on renovations/etc. Heck, even if you torched the place and insurance paid zippo and you lost out on a $500,000 property, it wouldn't matter because USCIS/the State Dept don't care about that side of the equation. They only care about income.

So why should Schedule C deductions be treated differently? If the argument is because they're expenses I must pay, then consistency demands that W2 income be treated in the exact same manner. But it's not. The regulation specifically states "prededuction income". It doesn't differentiate between business/schedule C deductions and any of the 1040 deductions.

And again, if anything, because I am allowed to write off so many more things than W2 employees, I get to keep a far greater portion of my income and logically, this should weigh even more in my favor, not less.

It's a huge black hole I've fallen into here. Surely I can't be the first person who's run into this since these regs were put in back in '96. Or I just found a big loophole that other people completely missed. I don't know.

Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-07-17 19:32:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionIncome and Loss
QUOTE (pushbrk @ Jul 14 2009, 07:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (thepizzadude @ Jul 14 2009, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (pushbrk @ Jul 14 2009, 11:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (JimVaPhuong @ Jul 13 2009, 06:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Steve_and_Lina @ Jul 13 2009, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, I'm in a discussion now with the US Consulate in Moscow on this very topic, as this is throwing a major wrench in the visa applications for my wife and stepdaughter.

I work mainly as an independent contractor and the majority of my income is reported to me on 1099s. When I do my taxes, I fill out a Schedule C and on line 7, enter my total income. Further down the form, I then enter all my deductions, subtract them from my income, and this figure gets transferred over to my 1040 on line 12.

Now, the issue of contention is this. According to the Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 9 (which is the guidebook for the regulations involving, among other things, immigrant visas), in section 9 FAM 40.41 N5.5-1, income is defined as follows:

"Income", for the purpose of Form I-864, means total unadjusted income as shown on the tax return, before deductions. Total unadjusted income includes not only salary (if any) but also monetary gains from any other source, such as rent, interest, dividends, etc.

It is my argument that the amount that gets transferred over to the 1040 line 12 is not unadjusted income, but adjusted income, since that figure represents my income minus deductions. As you can see, that conflicts with the directive I quoted above.

Instead, when considering income, I am contending that the State Department should use the figure on line 7 of the Schedule C and all other income on lines 7-11 and 13-21 on form 1040.

I will post a new comment when the Consulate issues their ruling. In the meantime, I'll continue to be sick to my stomach from worrying and unable to sleep. Isn't this fun?


Line 7 on schedule C is your gross income after cost of goods, etc., but before your business expenses are deducted. It's still not an accurate reflection of how much money you have to live on because it hasn't taken account of how much money your business needs to "live" on. Your business gets fed before you do.

Think of it this way - if you were an employee of a company, would you expect the IRS to consider money your employer spent on your office furniture as your income? Of course not! That money was spent on the business, and that furniture belongs to the business. The IRS draws a distinct line between what is income and expense for the business, and what is income and expense for the individual. Since you are self employed, you have to draw that line for them.

It sounds to me like they want to know your total income before personal deductions. This is how much money you personally have to live on.

I hope you manage to work this out with the consulate, but I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm sure you're not the first self employed sponsor they've had to deal with, and it's unlikely they're going to change the rules now. I haven't looked, but I'd bet there's a memorandum somewhere that tells them exactly how they're supposed to interpret a tax return. You could probably save yourself all this grief by lining up a co-sponsor.

Good luck!


There are various scenarios where the tax advantages of being self-employed come back to haunt the sponsor. Some things are as simple as revenue minus expenses equals "income" but some are not.

I've done the same work both as a 1099 contractor and W2 employee and had the same expenses in either case. Fortunately, when I sponsored my wife, I was an employee. Now that I'm not, the "employee business expenses" that did not go on a schedule C or reduce the line 22 total income. The result is a lower income on line 22 even though my financial condition is identical. There's a difference between "allowable write-offs" and actual expenses. Most of my expenses were from claiming mileage on a pretty economical older vehicle, where actual expense was significantly lower and where personal and business mileage tends to be co-mingled quite a bit. If I stop to buy something for home on the way back from sales call, that's still business use.

Another issue is depreciation. Depreciation of a capital investment will reduce income without any actual impact on funds available for personal use.

I don't know the specifics of Pizza Dude's situation but do bear in mind the difference between "allowable deductions" and "actual expenses". The main reason we have so many accountants is to help businesses reduce their taxable income while preserving cash to benefit the owners. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Tax advantages, bite your butt at affidavit of support time. It's not "unfair". It's "different".


Exactly it is different but I still think there should be some way to allow the self employed to NOT have to give up allowable expenses just to qualify.


I'm sorry, but there are many ways for the self-employed to qualify without giving up allowable expenses. It may be that certain individuals find themselves with no remaining options at a given time but that falls under the category of their lack of planning their fiscal lives does not constitute a justification for changing policies or laws for their convenience. You're describing a set of circumstances that apply only to those who do not have enough income showing on line 22 of a 1040 form. That's hardly a category called, "The Self-employed" even though I would have fallen in that category if I needed to sponsor an immigrant today.

Before I entered into a serious relationship that was sure to result in sponsoring an immigrant, I made sure I qualified as the sponsor. It just seemed like common sense to me at the time.


With all due respect, I do qualify as a sponsor according to a strict reading of the law.

The law says PREDEDUCTION I must make more than 125% of the Federal Poverty Guideline. And I do.

It is ridiculous and extremely counter-intuitive that I should be punished because the State Department is incapable of grasping this definition. It is straight-forward. We must provide W2s and 1099s to show our income. Taken in sum, again, we qualify.

My business has no inventory. I provide a service. There's no real overhead for me.

But because I am paid by 1099, I have to file a Schedule C. And it's not my fault that the government then says that I am entitled to a whole slew of very generous tax write-offs, or what in plain English are called DEDUCTIONS.

In fact, we are better positioned financially than if we only had W2 income and only filed a 1040. For instance, if you work a W2 job, you can't deduct the mileage you drive to work, the tolls you pay, and parking. I get to deduct ALL of it. Not only that, I come out ahead because I get to take a deduction of $.50 or so per mile. My car averages 27 mpg. Let's say I drive 108 miles to work- 4 gallons of gas at $2.50/gallon costs me $10. However, I get a tax deduction of $54 even though it only cost me 1/5th that amount in actual dollars.

I can write off my home office, so there's a tax deduction for a percentage of my rent and utilities and internet. I buy a new laptop or software or office supplies that I use for my work, all write-offs, which ultimate lower the amount transferred over to my 1040. If you're a W2 employee, sorry, no deductions for you.

This shouldn't be rocket science, but apparently it is. So now the process enters its 17th month from when we first started gathering information, documents, and translations. Unreal.
Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-07-17 18:09:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionIncome and Loss
Actually, I'm in a discussion now with the US Consulate in Moscow on this very topic, as this is throwing a major wrench in the visa applications for my wife and stepdaughter.

I work mainly as an independent contractor and the majority of my income is reported to me on 1099s. When I do my taxes, I fill out a Schedule C and on line 7, enter my total income. Further down the form, I then enter all my deductions, subtract them from my income, and this figure gets transferred over to my 1040 on line 12.

Now, the issue of contention is this. According to the Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 9 (which is the guidebook for the regulations involving, among other things, immigrant visas), in section 9 FAM 40.41 N5.5-1, income is defined as follows:

"Income", for the purpose of Form I-864, means total unadjusted income as shown on the tax return, before deductions. Total unadjusted income includes not only salary (if any) but also monetary gains from any other source, such as rent, interest, dividends, etc.

It is my argument that the amount that gets transferred over to the 1040 line 12 is not unadjusted income, but adjusted income, since that figure represents my income minus deductions. As you can see, that conflicts with the directive I quoted above.

Instead, when considering income, I am contending that the State Department should use the figure on line 7 of the Schedule C and all other income on lines 7-11 and 13-21 on form 1040.

I will post a new comment when the Consulate issues their ruling. In the meantime, I'll continue to be sick to my stomach from worrying and unable to sleep. Isn't this fun?
Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-07-13 18:45:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresCR-1 : after the interview
QUOTE (Steve_and_Lina @ Mar 29 2009, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What I am unclear on is:
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[*]With the K3, she can enter/exit the US at will. Can she do the same with the K3?


Whoops!!! Typo. What I meant was is the CR-1 a multi-entry visa? (Goes to show how brain-damaged all these documents have made me.)

Edited by Steve_and_Lina, 29 March 2009 - 04:08 PM.

Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-03-29 16:08:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresCR-1 : after the interview
Hello everyone. I am a little unclear on some of the specifics of the CR-1.

Assuming my wife and stepkid's applications are approved, I know they must enter the US within 6 months and that we will also have to file before our 2nd anniversary to remove the conditional status.

What I am unclear on is:
  1. With the K3, she can enter/exit the US at will. Can she do the same with the K3?
  2. If we were to visit a 3rd country, would she have to get a visa through Russia or could she travel as a conditional US resident? I am thinking specifically of visiting Europe. As a Russian, she needs a visa.

Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-03-29 15:30:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresTime from interview to issuance of visa and I-864 problem- Moscow
QUOTE (Neonred @ Jul 10 2009, 08:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We did a K-1, but generally it takes a few days to about a week after a successful interview for the return of the passport with the visa.

I had the same exact problem as you with the tax documents but during the AOS process. Of course that was here in the US and it did delay the adjustment process for us by a few months best I can determine.

Send them another e-mail, and another if you don't get a response in a few days. I had to do this when we were trying to get a visa for my step daughter. A few e-mails went unanswered so I got a little more aggressive with my e-mails.....finally asking "do you people ever answer your e-mail? This is my third request..."

Good luck

One last thought, if you are taking a lot of business deductions and your bottom line on your 1040 is low that could be a problem. It doesn't matter how much money your business makes as they are concerned with the income you report. If you don't have the income you may need to show other assets or a co-sponsor.



Thanks for your response. I did receive an email back from Moscow that sorta-kinda hinted at the problem. This weekend I sent a response, basically laying out the argument that according to the Foreign Affairs Manual (the guidebook for all the regs regarding the interview process, among other things) is highly specific in stating that pre-deduction income is what should be considered, and quoted the relevant reg.

So now we are spending the weekend on pins and needles hoping for a favorable response. Frustrating.
Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-07-12 09:04:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresTime from interview to issuance of visa and I-864 problem- Moscow
My wife and stepdaughter had their interviews in Moscow on 6/25.

There was a problem regarding our I-864. As I am self-employed, I report my income on a Schedule C, and on that schedule I take all business deductions, and it is that figure which gets transferred back to my 1040. The Consulate Officer apparently never looked at the line for income on the Schedule C or the 1099 we had submitted, and only looked at the figure on the 1040.

So I had to send an email explaining precisely this and attached all the forms again- 1040, Schedule C, 1099s. I have not received anything back from Moscow even acknowledging that they received this email or the follow-up I sent again asking if they got it.

This is where the question comes in- how long generally has it taken from the time of a successful interview until they received their visa? Days? Weeks? Months?

We've been at this process for over 16 months now, from the time we started gathering all the information, and this last step is killing us because we can't make any plans until we get the visa.

Urgh.
Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-07-10 03:13:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Proceduresfastest way to get my wife into usa
i recently married my childhood friend, she resides in pakistan and im a us citizen
we got married in karachi pakistan. and im trying to figure out the quickest way to get her into the usa
can someone please help me?
she is pregnant and i want her to deliver the baby in usa not in pakistan.


so far i have filled out the i-130 and have all the documents needed
i was wondering if i can submit the k3 forms along with i-130 or do i need to wait for it to get approved.
also i have a criminal record, misdemeanor first offense, will that affect my application or the wait time?
im just trying to figure out whether to stay here or leave the country to go back to my wife.
thanks again

btw i apologize if im posting in the wrong place
im new to all this and its very confusing
Umair KhanMale02010-08-09 16:40:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWhat should I do next?
Hi everyone
So I filed the i130 and receipt number has been issued.
I'm wondering should I submit the k3 or should I just wait?
Also in k3......its asking for my criminal record....which I do have... 3 charges of domestic.....all filled at the same time...i took a plea and am on probation which ends in jan.
do i have to disclose this info along with k3 (I'm not filing for my fiance I'm filing for my spouse)
And also from personal experience would this delay her entry into usa?
help is much appreciated!
Umair KhanMale02010-08-26 18:00:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresHow long after case completed with NVC do I find out about interview date?
So my wife case is stuck at NVC due to them rejecting my original documents in english from pakistan, they are demanding them in urdu, even thou english is an official language in pakistan.....Anyways....does anyone here know how long it takes after everything is completed with NVC do I or my wife find out about the interview date......if anyone can give me an estimate or their personal time they experienced in islamabad.....that would be great.....thank you in advance!
Umair KhanMale02011-01-17 02:59:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresThank you all
Just wanted to say thank you to all here
Due to the people here I learned a lot and it helped me every step of the day during this process
My wife's visa was received yesterday and I booked her flight for tomorrow.
She will be landing in Boston sunday evening and I cannot wait.
Thank you all again
And good luck to all
Umair KhanMale02011-03-26 01:43:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWife entered us on march 27th....when will she get her green card?
Thank u
Just making sure I didnt Miss something
Umair KhanMale02011-04-13 12:21:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWife entered us on march 27th....when will she get her green card?
So my wife entered USA on march 27th on CR1 visa.
She got her social security card but no green card has come in yet.
Can anyone please tell me if I need to call somewhere or go somewhere or will it come automatically in mail?
Thank u
Umair KhanMale02011-04-13 12:09:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureshow long after you go to your interview that you get your passport back?
so my wife's case was completed with NVC and interview has been scheduled with islamabad embassy on march 15th.
im trying to book her plane tickets ahead of time, i have heard from a few people that they take you passport on the day of the interview and send it back to your house with the visa?
is this true? and if it is when will she get her passport and visa documents from embassy?
thanks in advance.

Edited by Umair Khan, 14 February 2011 - 06:41 PM.

Umair KhanMale02011-02-14 18:38:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWhat does it mean when you have a priority date printed on your I-797C notice of action
I hope so.....thanks alot everyone for your input and your help!
Umair KhanMale02010-08-30 21:35:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWhat does it mean when you have a priority date printed on your I-797C notice of action
Yes I did
I took news papers articles from ny times, local and other places.
My reason were violence in karachi, kidnapping of foreigners and their families and the flood and I included all sorts of things like warning from state department and newspaper articles........I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
Umair KhanMale02010-08-30 21:30:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWhat does it mean when you have a priority date printed on your I-797C notice of action
How about the flooding in pakistan....is that good enough.....she is in affected area
Umair KhanMale02010-08-30 21:09:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWhat does it mean when you have a priority date printed on your I-797C notice of action
So that mean what again? ?
All I'm trying to figure out is if my request for expedite haas been approved.
Umair KhanMale02010-08-30 19:22:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresWhat does it mean when you have a priority date printed on your I-797C notice of action
Hi
I just filed i130 for my wife and I received the I797C notice of action which has the case type and receipt number.
But also below the receipt number it has a priority date of aug 19th 2010, which is also the date the I-130 was received by the uscis
I submitted a letter of expedition with her I130 and am just wondering if that was approved that's why this letter has a priority date?
Can someone please help me?
I'm very excited and confused by this at the same time.
Thanks in advance!
Umair KhanMale02010-08-30 17:45:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresObtained citizenship thru parents, do i need to submit their Naturalization Certificate while filling an I-130?

Cousin of mine is trying to file for her husband, she was 17 when she got her citizenship thru her mom so she never got a naturalization certificate.

What do we do for this while filing out an I-130, do we submit her parents or have her obtain a copy for her record?

or just say no and not submit that all together.

 

Thanks in advance!


Umair KhanMale02014-05-01 11:48:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswhats next?
i tried and it did not make sense
thats why im asking here
Umair KhanMale02010-10-26 21:37:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswhats next?

Yes. NVC will mail out the letters, but it will take months to reach you.

That's why, everybody provides email ids to NVC as soon as NVC Case# is generated to speed up the process. You will find tons of information in Oct NVC club.

Loto



so basically
i need to call NVC next week and get a case number than go online and file the fees and submit the forms?
and what forms will i be filling?
Umair KhanMale02010-10-26 21:27:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswhats next?

Trust me, calling USCIS or NVC will not help you out. But it is up to you and you have all the privilege :star:

Loto



actually i called USCIS prior to submitting my I-130 and they actually gave out tons of info.
what im confused about the NVC is will i get a letter from them stating they have my case, do i need to find forms, fill them out and send them along w fees or will they send me the appropriate info?
if you can please answer those that will be great.
thank you
Umair KhanMale02010-10-26 20:40:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswhats next?

Umair,

I have provided all the links for you :star:

Loto



i saw your links and read them
but i still am confused
im going to call both USCIS and NVC tomorrow
Umair KhanMale02010-10-26 20:35:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswhats next?

WOW! congrats on your approval! im so excited for u. as for me and my husband, we are still playing the waiting game for the approval. i had just filed it a few weeks ago and i've only received the NOA1. I'm so jealous yours was approved within 2 months. vermont's processing time seems faster than California service center :( From my research here on vj, its approx 4-5 months. I'm gonna keep your post bookmarked because i'm a little confuse as well on what comes next after the approval. good luck with everything ! God Bless :)



TY
good luck with yours
i filed for an expedite for this due to the violence in my city
i made a huge packet that had wedding pics, call logs showing we talked everynight, and all the other stuff and new articles from major news papers. than i called the USCIS two weeks ago asking what was going on and the rep on the phone took my info and filed an expedite and today i got an email that it was approved.

im still very confused as to what is going to happen next.......not sure if i need to dig up forms, fill them out and send it to NVC along with fees.
hopefully someone can answer.

Good luck with your case again!
Umair KhanMale02010-10-26 20:22:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswhats next?

Hi ...How can I start a new topic? I use the website with my iPod touch mostly......n I need the number to the dos ... I live in ny queens :)



go to forums and than a section like IR-1/CR-1 and mid right hand section has a button for start new topic
Umair KhanMale02010-10-26 19:48:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswhats next?

Congratulations on your approval! Great, great news! :D



Thanks alot
im so glad i found this website
people here helped me out big time
and i filed for an expedition the correct way and it was approved
im so happy
Umair KhanMale02010-10-26 17:25:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & Procedureswhats next?
i filed an I130 for my wife on Aug 24th and had it approved today
and is being sent to NVC
email says that i will be receiving something in the mail.....i dont really know what to expect next
can someone please fill me in and tell me what documents i need to gather.
i have all her info, but just saying so i can be ready ahead of time.
thanks in advance for all your help
Umair KhanMale02010-10-26 17:20:00
IR-1 / CR-1 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresMedical exam in karachi, pakistan
I just sent NVC last of my documents which was the Ds-230 packet.....i found info about medical exam and the cost and doctors and stuff.
NVC hasn't processed the last part of my case and she hasn't received anything from embassy, can i have her go to the doctor and get her medical done before hand just to be ready.
what you guys think?

also how did some of you guys get thru NVC so fast.....just curious.
Umair KhanMale02010-12-12 19:02:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresDS230 FOR FIANCE

Yes you can fill that form but DO NOT sign it.

alright thank you
otonielMaleDominican Republic2011-07-21 11:29:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresDS230 FOR FIANCE
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF WE DO HAVE TO FILL THE LAST TWO PAGES OF THE FORM
otonielMaleDominican Republic2011-07-21 09:52:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 Visa Dom.Rep SDO#

I Got My SDO # Yesterday I Checked the the July List and the #s End at SDO201162, My CAse Number is SDO201169... Does this Mean That When They Launch the Next List in About a Week I will know my Interview date ?

well your interview will be by september or beggining october because its like 2 or 3 months after we received the sdo number case
otonielMaleDominican Republic2011-07-21 12:58:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 FIANCE VISA EVIDENCE
IM AFRAID NOW BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE THAT MANY EMAILS SAVED
CHATS LOG EITHER I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET THEM SOME HOW
otonielMaleDominican Republic2011-07-21 14:41:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 FIANCE VISA EVIDENCE

definately, as long as you can prove an ongoing relationship you're good! Good Luck! :thumbs:

oh yeah thnks
otonielMaleDominican Republic2011-07-21 14:06:00
K-1 Fiance(e) Visa Process & ProceduresK1 FIANCE VISA EVIDENCE
DO YOU GUYS THINK THIS WILL BE ENOUGH FOR US TO BRING TO OUR INTERVIEW NEXT MONTH

1: 27 RECEIPTS OF MONEY I SENT TO HER EVERY MONTH
2: MORE THAN 80 PICTURES WITH MY FAMILY AND PARTIES WITH FRIENDS TOGETHER ALSO AND HER FAMILY TOO
3: MORE THAN 2YRS PHONE CALLS HISTORY CALL FRON 1 TO 3 TIMES A DAY RECEIPTS
4: INCOMING CALLS FROM HER MOTHER'S HOUSE AND MOBIL RECEIPTS
5: MY FIANCEE IS LIVING WITH MY PARENTS SINCE 12/22/2009
6: EMAILS
7:MORE THAN 50 CALLING CARDS THAT I USED TO CALL HER FROM MY WORKPLACE
8: PICTURES OF CLOTHINGS, PIERCES, LAPTOP THAT I GAVE TO HER.

YOU GUYS THINK THATS WILL BE ENOUGH ?

Edited by otoniel, 21 July 2011 - 01:58 PM.

otonielMaleDominican Republic2011-07-21 13:57:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresUSCIS Processing Times
QUOTE (Pandit @ Jan 15 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am tired of their response to and mad. I have been calling to them every other day... just b/c I am mad these people have no update for me/us...

I don't know if it will be a good idea or not...

I am getting one good response from them "I am in normal process time." What a whole BS...

I also have send the letter to Vermont Center Director "Paul" and there is no response from him too... seems like they just don't care about us any more...

I wish I had his number and call him up...


I feel your pain. I'm there with you. I've given up calling them because it's useless. They have zero information to offer, and it's just a complete and utter waste of time, effort, and cell phone minutes, and when I hang up, I'm 10x more aggravated than when I called.

You would think that when the assigned a case number, they could then at least tell you "Yes, Mr X, we can tell you that currently there are XX cases ahead of yours, we average processing ZZ cases a week, and therefore anticipate being able to start working on your case on this date."

Nope. Instead we get nothing. Instead, we're told they don't have any information and we must wait.
Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-01-15 16:29:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & ProceduresUSCIS Processing Times
It's because they're the government and they can do whatever they want.

Then if you call them, they ask "did you look at the timeline on the website?"

Total waste of time and only serves to raise my blood pressure.

Meanwhile, we wait wait wait wait wait and are resigned to the fact that it may well be after our first wedding anniversary before she and my stepdaughter are allowed to come here. Instead, I'll just take trips to see them when I can afford it, since it only takes a week to get a visa to visit Russia.

At least we have a sense of humor about it. When it came time to get married, we were able to cut through the Russian red tape and arrange everything in the space of a month, rather than the 8 months that is standard. But here in the good old U S of A, land of the free.... we can't even get a straight answer out of them. My wife enjoys teasing me about this.
Steve_and_LinaMaleRussia2009-01-15 09:16:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Proceduresfastest way to get my wife into usa

USCIS doesn't close the I-129F, NVC does. They have been closing I-129F's for about 6 months now. There is no more K-3 visa.

Good luck



so i called the uscis and the NVC and found out something very interesting.
according to a tier 3 representative at uscis. k3 is still an option to be used to bring my spouse over to USA.
after i fill out my I-130, when the receipt is issued, i can submit an I-129F for k-3 visa
depending on the what gets approved first, proper visa will be issued
if I-130 is approved first they will cancel the K-3 and change my visa type over to cr-1

thank you everyone for your help.
have a good night
Umair KhanMale02010-08-10 22:29:00
K-3 Spouse Visa Process & Proceduresfastest way to get my wife into usa
so all i need to do right now is to send in the I-130 and the letter to expedite and wait for further instructions from nvc??
Umair KhanMale02010-08-10 18:06:00