ForumTitleContentMemberSexCountryDate/Time
Russia, Ukraine and Belarusinterview
Congratulations Ryan. I am sure it is as exciting for you as it was for us a few weeks ago. I wish you a lifetime of happiness together.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-26 22:23:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
Lisa, I agree with you a good pre-nup should protect both. She may not have a ton of money in the bank but she is giving up a lot and should not be sent back with nothing to start a new life or if she stays here she should have enough to get on her feet and not have to go on welfare to survive.

I am not saying this to be a negative comment to anyone but I would bet that most of those who think a pre-nup is a good idea have more to loose than those who think it would be a sign of lack of committment. I will say that had my fiancee been dead set against a pre-nup I would not have pushed the issue. I am confident enough that we have a wonderful relationship and will be very happy that I value it more than anything I have.

I agree with Slim. Kazan has a nice website but I have a feeling his revenues do not quite compare to European Conncetions 20 million a year. Still a good small agency that really cares about people and knows thier women first hand is a better choice for many guys than a large site that deals in volume. I have started trying to promote his website and agency on some other forums when I can.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-24 17:19:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
QUOTE (Thomas-n-Elena @ Sep 21 2007, 05:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The true problem with the need for prenups is the obsession with stuff. I dont care if I had millions of dollars and the coolest stuff in the world. I would never sign a prenup because anything I would lose in the divorce I can replace its just stuff.


I am sure there are people who are obessed with "stuff" I am sure there are cases where someone does a prenup because they are afraid of losing their stuff, but I am also sure that it has no bearing on my reasons for a prenup. Bear in mind that without a prenup the one who gets the stuff will likely be the divorce attorneys. Your best friend you married will likely turn into your worst enemy by the time the divorce is final. There is an old saying that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Having seen a few Russian women in action I have a feeling that a divorce with a Russian woman is an experince you will never want to go through so I think if is great we have all made wonderful choices in our women and will never have to use a prenup or a divorce attorney.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-21 21:32:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
QUOTE (Kotenochek @ Sep 21 2007, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (Turboguy @ Sep 21 2007, 08:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
. I feel more comfort with the prenup than I do with the insurances that I spend $ 60,000 a year for.


what are you talking about?sorry i am confused?you spend 60 000usd for the insurances a year?

I am sorry if I confused you. Yes, Without looking at the records, about that, probalby a little more. I own a business so insurance is not cheap. some of that covers other people than myself such as the hospitilizaton insurence for my employees. Proably if I really added it all it would be more than what I quoted.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-21 21:12:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
The only relationship I can analize in depth is my own. We both want a prenup and I think we both have a total belief that we are in a wonderful relationship that will survive and bring happiness to us both. Neither of us look at our relatonship as exploiting the other. I am not exploiting her for love or sex and she is not exploiting me for money. At the time she fell in love with me she knew the following. That I live in a house that I bought for $ 3900.00. That I drive a 4 year old pick up truck. That my income is average or so and that I have no bills and can live comfortably on my income and do the things I want to do without worrying. I said something to the effect that we might buy a new or newer house next year and she said she does not want to. That she wants to stay in the old one. She watches my money like a hawk and rarely asks for anything and never anything expensive. Most of the time when we have shopped if she wanted something is was an $ 8.00 top or the like. When we buy groceries she will spend 5 minutes on each thing like a pound of butter making sure she gets the best value. We spent the summer together in the Caribbean and we ate out 3 times, once in a food court in a mall, once in a burger joint and once in a nice restaurant.

Part of my reason for wanting one is my kids and my employees are much more comforatble with the thought of me having a prenup. I won't repeat what I said before but she has fears and feels more comfortable with one. Perhaps her past relationships make her feel that way. Another part of my wanting one is seeing a Ukrainian gal I know and what happened in her divorce. The lawyers got rich and she and her husband ended up financially ruined. I watched my daughter go through a bad divorce that made the lawyers rich and left her with years of worry and problems. I believe our relationship is the best I have ever had in my life but I do like the idea of knowing my business is protected and she can come to America without any worries if it does not go as we both hope and belive it will and that I will know that my business will stay intact. I feel more comfort with the prenup than I do with the insurances that I spend $ 60,000 a year for.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-20 23:05:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
I see some people who feel it is a bad thing for the marriage to talk about something like this. If you have no need of a prenup then that discussion is not necessary. If you have a situation where it is important and are doing one fair for both people then in my thoughts if you can not discuss something like that together you do not have a relationship that is going to last anyway.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-17 16:31:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
QUOTE (Kazan @ Sep 16 2007, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
[Life is too short. I plan on spending eternity with my wife and family (not my money, not my job, and not my business) in the afterlife. I don't condemn those that mutually desire one. I don't expect others to share my beliefs. What others do is for them to decide themselves. I am only stating my opinion in an open forum that encourages free thought.

Tell me something Jeffery. You would never do a prenup because you are head over heals in love and your marriage is going to last for eternity, Right? I think you said you were divorced. What did you think about your first marriage? Did you marry that woman with the idea it would last a few years? Don't you think the same could happen in your second? Don't you think most people get married expecting it to last forever? Most don't. Intercultural marriages may even have a little more risk.

I am glad you are sharing your opinion and it is definately your right and of course it is mine to disagree with you. I don't disagree with your right not to want a prenup. Maybe there is no reason for one. Some people think anyone who buys a mail order bride is sleazy. They have a right to feel that way and we all know they are foolish and misinformed. There is nothing wrong with wanting a prenup as long as you are not forcing it on your future spouce. There is nothing wrong with not wanting one. It has nothing to do with the realtionship. It governs divorce not marriage and everyone with or without one hopes their marriage will be happy and long lasting.

Edited by Turboguy, 16 September 2007 - 09:55 PM.

TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-16 21:51:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
My philosopy has always been that we are all different and all have different circumstances. Lots of people feel like you do Jeffrey. There is nothing wrong with that. Lots of people don't have enough assets to worry about as well. My only marriage and divorce was quite equitable as far as settling the property. We did a 50-50 split. She took the assets and I took the loans for them. What could be more fair?

I think we are all different about what we worry about. I have a deathly fear of heights. It is not to the point that I can't function. I can fly and never think about it. I can go to the top of the Empire state building and enjoy the view, but put me on a slanted house roof about two or three stories up and I am a nervous wreck. My fiancee seems to have a deathly fear of poverty and old age and fears she will end up being one of the babuskas you see in the underground stairways holding a tin cup. I think one of the reasons she chose to look for a man from another country is the poor pension system in Russia. Personally I don't see that as making her any less desirable than my fear of heights. We all have our phobias. I can accept hers and not think less of her for it.

Now let's look at my situation. I own a small manufacturing business. It is not a big deal. We make landscape equipment. We have about 20 employee's. My son has worked in the business for 10 years and my daughter for 5 or so. They have both been a part of my life for a long time. Now let me give you a worst (sorta best in some ways) case scenario. Right now my business sells about 3 million a year. Business like mine are usually valued at a percentage of sales or a percentage of profits much more than assets. Suppose I marry and the marriage lasts 5 years. Lets say that in that time the sales increase from 3 million to 10 and we have some products we will be introducing that could make that happen. Let's say the attorneys set the value at one years sales. She would now get 1/2 of the increase or 3.5 million. Add in any increase in other assets and she could be looking at 4-5 million in settlement. The cash would not be that big a deal in itself since I would still have a value of the same or a tad more but there is only one way to raise 4 or 5 million dollars, Sell the business throwing both my kids out of their jobs and their future. No one can predict the future. I am not saying our sales will go to 10 million. Heck we could go belly up in 5 years. Who knows?

Our committment and devotion to each other are no less than yours. We have a great relationship. I totally believe we will be together till one of us reaches our end. Protecting my businss is important to me. Security is important to her. The prenup will make her very secure. The prenup will protect my business. It is a win-win situation. Not having one would be insane.

Edited by Turboguy, 16 September 2007 - 11:38 AM.

TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-16 11:34:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
QUOTE (Kazan @ Sep 14 2007, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Prenuptial agreements go against everything marriage stands for. If you worry so much about what might happen, stay single and unattached. Then what's yours will always be yours. Marriage is about two lives joining in EVERY way without exclusion. yes.gif

Jeffrey, You post makes me wonder if you have ever gone through a divorce? Marriages that don't have the idea of joining two lives forever are not common yet half the marriages end up in divorce. People who get divorced and have nothing usually can stay best of friends but where there is a lot to loose and situations like a family business a man would be a fool to get married without one. From the woman's standpoint she is giving up more than we do to get married. It is only wise of her to want the protection of knowing she will not find herself on the street with no family, no friends and no job and no money. A good prenup is good for both. A bad prenup is not worth the paper it is written on. Did you ever know any divorce lawyers who were poor, drove an old car and live in a shanty. They are the ones with most to gain if there is no prenup. I will agree if someone is starting out in life and has few assets then a prenup is not needed.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-14 23:13:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
Thanks for clarifying that Satelite. I never paid much attention to how the community property states worked it since it was not applicable to me. Actually it almost sounds like a better deal than what we have.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-12 21:58:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
QUOTE (Kotenochek @ Sep 12 2007, 06:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks for info.In russia you can not mention anything rather than material in prenups.I heard here you can so that what i was interested in.But did I get it right turboguy?If we have no prenup we share all at half?

I am not sure the courts would look hard at a prenup signed in Russia. One other thing that did pop into my mind as advice for the guys is that you should discuss it before she comes here. If she wanted to try to break the prenup and the discussions started here with no confirmation of anything she could claim that it was signed under duress. For example that she was told sign it or go back to Russia.

I know more about the laws of Pennsylvania than I do other states. California as I understand it is a common law state and the minute you are married she owns half of what you have. In Pennsylvania they go by the gain in value during the marriage. If you owned a house worth 200,000 when you got married and had $ 50,000 in the bank and you got divorced and the house was now worth 300,000 and you had $ 100,000 in the bank she would be entitled to half the 100,000 gain in the house and half the $ 50,000 increase in the bank account. You can do things to make it more difficult. For example right now I own three houses worth maybe 250,000 between them. My plan is to sell all three over the next year or two and buy one new house worth maybe $ 300,000 - $ 350,000. I also plan to put that house in both names so I could well give up my equity in the three houses I have now by doing that.

Most people get married with the idea of being best friends and lovers. Sometimes they split up with the hopes of staying friends. Divorce will often turn them into bitter enemies. To me that is another advantage of a pre-nup. It could cut that last phase out. It is the arguing over who gets what that makes them enemies.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-12 19:38:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusPrenups
QUOTE (Kotenochek @ Sep 12 2007, 05:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ok:)First of All we live in California:)I hope our marriage lasts forever and the last thing i want is devorce.Its just I guess something that protects both of us not just me or him:)
I am curious more into kids.Like lets say people have kids and something happens and they devorce how kids are saparated here or how it works?

Most courts favor the woman when it comes to children and most make sure the father provides for the children until they are grown. Sometimes they will award joint custody but the women always has rights. A prenup can not affect that in any way.

We are planning to do a prenup but until I have some visits with the lawyer I can't say for sure what the details will be. I do intend for it to be a fair prenup that protects us both. We both want it. She wants to feel secure that she will not end up in the streets pennyless and jobless and I have a business that both my kids work in and want to make sure it is protected.

For someone wanting to learn about a prenup there is a very excellent book called "write your own prenup" that is available on Amazon. I am not suggesting writing your own but reading it will give you a much better idea of the ins and outs and where the pitfals are. Reading it will likely have you better informed than the attorney that writes it for you.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-12 17:19:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belaruspoor English translation on Russian passport
My two cents worth would be that the visa would be issued in whatever name you filed on the 129 and 325 forms. Personally I think writing the incorect name with an arrow would be a big mistake and it would confuse them. Hopefully someone will know for sure.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-30 07:41:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belaruspoor English translation on Russian passport
Just go to your local courthouse and have your name legally changed to EDVARDS MLADSHAYA and the problem is fixed. huh.gif
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-29 21:58:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusJoining the wait for K1 Visa
Congratulations and we all hope you have a speedy journey. I have a feeling as the glut of applications to beat the fee increase get processed VT will speed up a bit and I hope yours gets through with all the speed possible.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-10-01 21:48:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusTime to schedule an interview?
I believe they have a list of women who are supposed to be there. You could try calling or e-mailing the embassy to be safe.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-10-04 17:11:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusTime to schedule an interview?
There is one form that they want filled out on line and then printed out, signed and brought to the interview. I Believe is is the DS-230. You can find it on the embasssy website to complete it.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-24 17:04:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusTime to schedule an interview?
Thanks. Yes that is correct. How did I figure it out? I read it on VisaJourney two years ago but never forgot it.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-18 23:23:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusTime to schedule an interview?
QUOTE (dkrivosheyev @ Sep 12 2007, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you! This is a very interesting theory, I never see this before. However, I don't think it works all the time - how about something like this: MOS2007573*** - the date cannot be 5/73... I guess we just wait for now.


I think there is an expression about being in the right church but the wrong pew. You guys are close but no brass ring.

You asked about MOS2007573??? That number was processed on March 14th.

This is how it works.

The MOS is the embassy, Kiev for example will have KEV numbers.

The year is next. That is pretty obvious.

Forget months. Think of January 1 as the first day of the year. Febuary one as the 32nd day of the year, March one as the 59th day of the year and March 14th as the 73rd day of the year. December 31st would of course be the 365th day of they year except on leap years.

Now take the day of the year and add it to 500 and that is the second number. I don't know the reason for adding 500 but that is the way it works. The last three numbers are the order it was processed that day. Perhaps that is why I ended up in Administrative Review. My last three numbers were 007

so one processed on January 1 will be 501 One processed on March 14th will be 573. One processed on December 31st will be 865.

OK?
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-18 19:13:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusTime to schedule an interview?
They automatically extend it but if it makes you feel better you can e-mail the embassy requesting an extension. Most everyones expires before the interview. Mine expired 4 months before the interview.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-11 15:13:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
I don't think I will quit worrying until she is here. The good part is that is just a few days away.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-10-08 22:57:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
Ah, OK. I think the reality of it is that you have a bit of a nervous fiance Blues but I think he also knows he has one of the most special women he could dream of and the nervous stage will pass once you are here. I think you will be fine. I think it is just a continuation of the other problem that you were able to get resolved to both your satisfactons.

My take on the reality of his explaination is that here the academic year generally runs from late August to around the end of May. There is a break of about 3 weeks from mid December to Early January and it is unusual for the students to give up thier housing for that period. There are a very small minority of students who finish their studies and graduate in Mid December but it is small. There are also a few who drop out at that mid December point do to various reasons. The availability of apartments in an area with many students may have a very slight increase at that time but I think it would be very slight. It is probably no big deal and not enough to worry about all that much. The time will pass and you will soon be here with him and I am sure you two will be very happy together.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-10-08 07:55:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
Thanks happy guy. I appreciate the nice words. I was a little worried for a few days. She had been sick and did not seem to be getting better. I suggested moving her arrival day back because I thought it would be hard on her traveling when she did not feel good. Perhaps the thought of not comming on the 12th perked up her immune system. Today she seems much better and anxious to be here.

John, In a few months there will be lots of guys who wish they would able to trade with you in the visa process.

Blues, That is one I never heard of. Most rental units are available as soon as they are free. Landlords don't like to have a money machine sitting and not generating the mortgage payments. Perhaps he has a particular apartment in mind that won't be free until then but as far as that being the way they do it in N.C. I would say definately not. Why don't you post that at the other place and see if the others agree with me. BF, you are a really great gal but I worry about you a little.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-10-07 14:15:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
congratualtions. I know we were not fully comfortable until the visa was in her hands and I am sure it was a big relief when your gal reached that point.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-10-04 19:39:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
Thanks Happy and John. Yes we are both bouncing off the ceiling. Now we are working on flight arrangements.

I have been working for several weeks on the house and hope to have some projects done and have it spick and span when she arrives but if she is like most RW she will find dirt in places I never thought to look.

John, I definately hope yours is faster than ours was. Most everyone is. I heard some real horror stories from others in A/R when we were going through it and as disappointing as our A/R was it could have been a lot worse.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-18 23:30:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
They had told my fiancee she would have it within a week and it made it in 6 days. She is 3 time zones east of moscow so the transit time may have been a little longer as well. We are both releaved to have that part of things behind us.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-17 21:38:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
QUOTE (novotul @ Sep 17 2007, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My wife received her visa today from DHL. Thanks to all for help over the months.

Congratulations Novotul. I am sure it is a relief to have it in hand.

I too got the good news that our visa arrived as well. Now we are starting to make travel plans.

Edited by Turboguy, 17 September 2007 - 06:59 AM.

TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-17 06:58:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
We are doing the same. Once the visa is there we will start looking into flights. I made that mistake with my former fiancee and ended up throwing airline tickets away. No, unfortunately I don't have the DHL number. I wish I did. I don't even really know if she has it. I mentioned the number yesterday but she did not say much one way or the other. I have a feeling she did not know about tracking numbers and may have thrown the receipt away. I have hopes the visa may arrive in the next few days but like everyone I will feel much more content when it has arrived.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-15 18:59:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
Thanks Novotul, She called on Friday and they had no record of ours being recieved but I still think if they say it is approved that it will go out fairly soon. I guess we get a little more nervous after all the problems we have had. Hopefully this one will just be a minor bump in the road.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-15 14:07:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
QUOTE (1HappyGuy @ Sep 14 2007, 05:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think Moscow might be a lot like Kiev. They will wait a few days to process the actual visa and send it out by DHL a couple of days later. I have seen it take as much as a week to get out of the embassy. Tell your lady to relax. She can probably call the embassy and ask if it has been sent out.

Thanks happy. We are going to give it until Wednesday. If there is no word by then she wants me to call the Embassy.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-15 07:49:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
QUOTE (wissooner @ Sep 14 2007, 08:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmmm,...well my fiancee had her interview on a Friday and received her visa by DHL on the following Wednesday...

Sounds like they sent it out the morning following the interview. I appreciate that. I think everyone worries a lot and after all we have been through we probably worry more than most. Let's see if we can get some other input here as well. That was very helpful.

Edited by Turboguy, 14 September 2007 - 07:44 AM.

TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-14 07:44:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belarustime to receive visa after interview
My fiancee is a cronic worrier. It used to be that the Moscow Embassy would ship out the passports with the Visa's the morning after the interview. I think they have slowed a bit. My fiancee is concerned becuase it has been three days since her interview and DHL has not recieved the packet for her. Can anyone who has done this reciently let me know how quickly they shipped out the DHL Packet after the interview. She would like me to call the embassy. I suggested we give it a week. Any info would be helpful. Thanks.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-09-14 07:17:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusSorry to annoy, but how long does it typically take from interview to visa?
If your timeline is up to date you are still waiting for your NOA-2. It is too early to do much but wait. Talking to the Senators office before the file is in Moscow is not going to do you much good. Wait until you at least have the Moscow case file number.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-01-20 14:24:00
Russia, Ukraine and Belaruslanguage problemsd
When my former fiancee was here I had her in the free ESL classes at the branch of our state university (Penn State)

I was lucky and saw an article in the newspaper about them while we were waiting for the interview. You should be able to do an internet search. When I couldn't find the article one time I just searched the internet. Try searching for ESL and then plug in the name of each community college or state university branch till you hit a winner. Most everyplace has the classes.
TurboguyMaleRussia2006-11-28 19:00:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusOur Daughter is Born
Yes, congratulations. That is great. Kids can really make life special.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-02-19 20:05:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusShipping jewelry to russia?
Nothing like advice from an expert. I would think a peice of jewlery would get you in a lot less trouble in your carry on in a rather non descript packgage than baked inside a cake of some sort. I think something like that would raise a lot of eyebrows and could keep you from entering the country if they found it.

I just carried an engagement ring with me in a small box in my carry one. I did not have a bit of problem. Sending it in any manner is not a good idea.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-02-18 11:34:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusShipping jewelry to russia?
I agree with Happy. Sending it is a bad idea. I guess wearing it though customs is one option. Of course depending on the type of jewlery and how prominantly you wear it you may find yourelf hit up by someone other than the customs agent. I guess the key is if you decide to wear it through customs don't wear lipstick too. LOL
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-02-17 17:46:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusShipping jewelry to russia?
Slim, You are beginning to sound like an ex-drug smuggler with all that expert advice.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-02-17 12:29:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusUSCIS and Embassy moving incredibly quickly.
Thanks Slim, It has me worried. I keep hoping something will happen but it does not seem to. Monday I will see if I can find some cages to rattle.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-03-03 12:01:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusUSCIS and Embassy moving incredibly quickly.
Congratualtions. I am glad it is moving so well but you are making me a little jealous. Mine has been at NVC for 40 days without a peep from them. One guy with the same NOA-2 date from VT and a fiancee from Russia has his interview on March 25th. I am beginning to think mine is lost behind some filing cabinet.

Good luck on the interview. I am sure it will go great and you will be together soon.
TurboguyMaleRussia2007-03-02 22:01:00