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US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionJoint-Sponsor Question

A paid for house is not considered a liquid asset. Consulates tend to use the guidelines as given in the I-864 instructions which clearly state.

A paid off house is a sizable asset and should definitelty be listed. In a preposterous thread that ran this week you claimed any attempt to NOT list something on the I-134 such as Unemployment Insurance benefits was lying and making a misrepresentation to the DOS. Other members responded with a resounding "HOGWASH."

See this link for the "HOGWASH"
http://www.visajourn...efits-on-i-134/

The house represents a sizable asset and testimony to the joint sponsor's ability and responsibility.

There is no basis in fact for your assumption that "Consulates tend to use the guidelines as given in the I-864 instructions."

I don't know what facts you have to claim the Consulates tend to use... But as a matter of point, two highlr senior and respected members have stated...

Just to clarify on this a bit...

The I-864P provides the baselines for an I-864 affidavit of support. The instructions for the I-864 make this pretty clear. However, there is no corresponding "I-134P" for the I-134 affidavit of support, and the instructions for the form don't indicate what the baseline is, or how it is determined. The FAQ page for the K1 visa at the DoS website states unequivocally that the baseline for the I-134 is 100% of the federal poverty guidelines:

http://travel.state....994.html#Income


Jim does conclude that applicants will be safe using the I-864 125% guideline but not that the I-864 Instructions apply to the I-134. But his comment is ONLY in respect to the 100% vs. 125% poverty level.

In fact this joint sponsor will appear as a Rock in the Community and very catchable if the government were to go after him because the alien fiance(e) ended up claiming means tested benefits. This house is clearly what will propel him well above the ability to pay in the mind of the COs.

Edited by Audy_Rob, 09 May 2010 - 12:11 AM.

Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-05-09 00:09:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionJoint-Sponsor Question

Petitioner : US
Beneficiary: Canada

Hey people, got a question about affadavit of support:

We are using a joint-sponsor who has 5 in his household, which the poverty line for 5 is $32, 237 and he made $35, 000 last year, and the years before over $40, 000. He has no mortgage as his house is paid off. Do you think they will accept this or not?

Alaba, I think you are in good shape I have read your posting correctly. While it is true that your household size will go to 6 persons including the fiance(e), he probably has quite sufficient assets. There is no state d law on the application of assets for meeting the required income level. However the I-134 form does have lines for entering the house value, and the house encumbrances or mortgages which I believe you stated as ZERO (at least for the mortgage). The joint sponsor can use the assets to make up for income shortfall of about $1,000.

Nowhere is it stated what the Ratio of asset worth is to income level but many people use between 3x and 5x based on information from the I-864 instructions which do not correspond to the I-134 form. Therefore divide the value of the house by about 5 and add that to the annual income. Since the joint sponsor is about 1,000 dollars short, he will need 5,000 in equity to qualify.

Good luck.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-05-08 20:54:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionQuestion about I-134 for the K1

Thanks,
Mag

Hi Mag, actually someone has posted a link to the DoS (Department of State) web site FAQ where it states the 100% number you are talking about. It is an interesting and technical/legal discussion that ends up confusing people very quickly. I will post the link to one of the two threads I know where it is debated.

http://www.visajourn...less-right-now/

Your question is one of the many questions that has NO CORRECT answer because the laws are unclear for the I-134 and the Instruction form states nothing.

The BEST answer is the one you have already received, please use 125% of the Poverty Line for your household size based on the 2009 I-864P form unless the USCIS releases an update. Absolutely no word on any updates.

EDITED to Add: Mag, I-134 and Embassy/Consulate Interview questions should be placed in the Forum named US Embassy and Consulate Discussion. Also by going there to post your question, you will find many other interesting topics that answer or raise other questions for you about the interview process.

Good luck.

Edited by Audy_Rob, 10 May 2010 - 11:52 PM.

Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-05-10 23:50:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionCiudad Juarez, required forms and other questions

Ok, so now we are getting ready to go for the interview and I am gonna fill out all the forms for my fiancee, but the info on the forms (online is kind of confusing). For form DS156, do I have to do it online??? There is a link to a DS156 but the form is outdated. On the OF-167 form I don't see a form, I see instructions, is that all you'll see for that form?? I864 not necessary???? What other forms would be necessary and what advice would you guys give me. Thanks.

The DS-156 needs to be filled out online using a properly compatible web browser and Operating System with that of the DoS such that an electronic stamp (bar code) is automatically added to the final form. Then you can print it from the computer.

OF-167 is a letter stating the requirement to show your alien beneficiary will not become a public charge in the USA. This means the USC petitioner must show they can support you. One way to meet the OF-167 requirements is by filling out an I-134 affidavit of support form available at the USCIS web site.

Good luck.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-05-11 00:02:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionNeed :Co-Sponsor I-134 (I'm Jobless right now)

The I-134 affidavit is not legally binding. "FAM" is something else, and can mean "Field Adjudicators Manual" if you're talking about USCIS, or "Foreign Affairs Manual" if you're talking about a consulate. I don't know if they are 'legally binding', but they do provide guidance for USCIS and consular employees in interpreting US laws and applying departmental policies.



No problem. :D

Yes, thank you Jim. I was re-reading this thread and it stuck out to me as quite obvious reading it through this time that Bobby was referring to the I-134 as not legally binding.

Thanks for the correction.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-05-09 00:02:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionNeed :Co-Sponsor I-134 (I'm Jobless right now)

Unfortunately - the FAM/AFM doesn't give much guidance on the I-134 - since it's not legally binding, however, it seems to me that they use the same criteria as the I-864.

Your best bet is to contact the intending embassy/consulate and see what their requirements are. Ankara embassy will accept 2 co-sponsors for the I-134, but they give you a bigger look-see at your bonafides, so if I was going to go through this particular place, I would try to get one co-sponsor to cover the level needed.

Basically, they (at the embassy) are making the call if you, as the sponsor, can keep your immigrant off the welfare rolls in the US. If they feel you cannot, then they can deny the attempt. The FAM/AFM are quite clear in this regard.

Bobby always has good information and I always learn something such as the FAM/AFM are not legally binding.

I have already stated my opinion that I would have a concern about two joint sponsors for the I-134.

Additionally I have just read a great posting from Jim of JimVaPhoung who is the other senior highly respected member of VJ.

The thread is here:

http://www.visajourn...nsor-questions/

And the particular entry of interest is:

Just to clarify on this a bit...

The I-864P provides the baselines for an I-864 affidavit of support. The instructions for the I-864 make this pretty clear. However, there is no corresponding "I-134P" for the I-134 affidavit of support, and the instructions for the form don't indicate what the baseline is, or how it is determined. The FAQ page for the K1 visa at the DoS website states unequivocally that the baseline for the I-134 is 100% of the federal poverty guidelines:

http://travel.state....994.html#Income

Many consulates don't explicitly state what baseline they will apply with the I-134. The truth is that the consulate is not required to apply any baseline in determining whether a sponsor satisfies the requirements of the public charge determination. We do know, from the statements of many people, that consulates often routinely reject an I-134 affidavit of support if the sponsor's income lies between 100% and 125% of the poverty guidelines, so the safest bet is to presume that the consulate will apply the I-864 standards as a minimum. If you don't meet the 125% income requirement for your household by a reasonable margin, play it safe and get a co-sponsor.


I hope Jim does not mind me sharing his wisdom with the others in this way.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-05-08 20:44:00
IMBRA Special TopicsIMBRA Act
Look for the few threads which are under IMBRA such as this one:

http://www.visajourn...howtopic=230668

They seem to indicate as one would expect that 50% of the people with criminal records are held up with some delays at NVC.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-12 01:47:00
IMBRA Special TopicsIMBRA Act

Thank you again. I am very aware of this. And again, like I stated in the last thread, I am not interested in the definition of IMBRA nor I am interested in having a debate about this. I already invested a lot of time in this type of discussion of "what IMBRA is". Just want to hear others experience about being scrutinized in regards to the IMBRA Act.


I am confused Libertarian. If you have done so much studying and reading about it on this site, why don't you post it in the forum on IMBRA issues. I am providing the proper forum link below.

http://www.visajourn...p?showforum=126

Nobody in the filing K-1 forum is going to have had responses to the IMBRA scrutiny unless old timers that have gone through IMBRA scrutiny come back to look here.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-12 01:45:00
IMBRA Special TopicsUSCIS... DENIALS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN...

Right , like if your criminal case happened before the adam walsh act, then they can't create a law that will go back and punish you before the law was created

Its the same, ex post facto.

You can't make a law in 2006, and go back and re punish everyone from before 2006

No, I understand what you are trying to say, but you are ignoring the most important fact. The law created in 2006 is dealing with people that violated the law before 2006. They have become a "CLASS" that violated a known law on the books at the time they committed a crime.

They are not creating a new law in AWA that makes something illegal. They are only creating a "CLASS" of criminal violators which must be registered and declared and carefully examined for a particular US Government benefit. The AWA "grandfathers" all criminal SOs prior to 2006 into an extra stage of declaration to USCIS/DOS and examination.

I don't see any arrests that will arise to people that were convicted of SOs prior to AWA (2006). The people already committed a known crime on the books. Not an example of "ex post facto."

I apologize to any or all people if this offends you. No offense nor position on the matter is intended. This is simply a clarification of the misstatement that this is an example of an "ex-post facto" law. It is indeed not an ex post facto law.

Edited by Audy_Rob, 03 February 2010 - 09:52 PM.

Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-03 21:50:00
IMBRA Special TopicsUSCIS... DENIALS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN...

It is unconstitutional, because the law passed in 2006, effects everyone who was tried from 2006 back, this is called ex post facto.

Article I , section 9 of the US constituion

No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
"

I do not believe that the law is "ex post facto." The proper definition I believe you are looking for is "grandfathering." That is, does this law have a "grandfather clause." Yes, I believe it does. Is a grandfather clause legal. Yes, it is very likely to hold up.

ex post facto simply means after the fact. An example of ex post facto is you walk across a street where it is legal. The next day, the city passes a law now making that street crossing illegal. The city goes back to look at their traffic cameras and sees you crossing the street when and where it WAS legal. But it is not legal now. They cannot arrest you as you crossed the street when it was legal. They cannot arrest you because the next day it became illegal. That is ex post facto.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-03 16:25:00
USCIS Service CentersWhat is going on with CSC?

No, a K-1 filer, jenni17, assunmed you also are a K-1 filer and wrote that info about the number of petitions. For I-751s, CSC hasn't changed the date in the processing times either. Also another rumor to add to Kastrs' list is what I saw posted in the K-1 section about a month ago, when the pipes burst in the CSC about 48,000 case files were ruined. Who knows?

 

Good luck all.


Audy_RobMaleThailand2013-05-06 00:50:00
Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)I-601 Questions

He/she is Canadian. . .they don't need a visa.

That MAY BE be an issue. I want to emphasize may be an issue. You need to have entered with inspection (EWI) which means you entered the USA legally with approval from an authorized CBE agent or official granting you approval. DO you have an I-94 or a stamp in your passport from the entry?
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-04-16 14:54:00
Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)My patience is wearing thin.

Thank you for your advice.I am so stressed out from waiting for these people :crying:

Getting married doesn't bring you physically together which is ultimately what you want. It does not mean you can automatically join your fiance(e) then in the USA. It changes nothing for the better.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-04-16 19:31:00
Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)Just a bit confused.

Here's my questions:

Do you think my wife's previous conviction will result in our application getting denied?
Does she need a waiver? If it's "off" her record?

Thanks for any suggestions/information anyone can provide.

When it comes to the forms for applying for the Visa, form DS-156 asks,
"Have you ever been arrested or convicted for any offense or crime, even though subject of a pardon, amnesty or other similar legal action?" - She will need to answer yes.

Next:
Have you ever been refused admission to the U.S. or been the subject of a deportation hearing, ..." - She will need to answer yes.

Additionally she might need to answer Yes to another question or part of a question depending on the crime for which she was convicted.

Good Luck.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-04-16 19:39:00
Waivers (I-601 and I-212) and Administrative Processes (221g)What a nice surprise!

'Hello - I'm following up once again on that status of my husband's visa. His case has been under administrative processing for more than four months now (127 days to be precise). I cannot get any details about its status from the Department of State, and I would like to know why we are being delayed so long and an approximate timeframe on when we can expect the processing to be complete - 'a few months' have already passed and we're well beyond the published guideline of 60-90 days.

I understand that this stage is the last stage of the visa process, but where can I get more information? Please confirm as I was told earlier, that the administrative processing is happening in the US and is not 'internal review' at the embassy.

As always, any information you can provide is greatly appreciated.'

I think your letter to them was very well written.

Good luck, for a speedy approval.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-04-16 14:43:00
Russia, Ukraine and BelarusRussian passport

So my question is... If she comes in July or August and we are married... will she be able to travel back home to change her passport and then come back? or will it be better to just wait until September for her to come after she updates her Russian passport?

It is not easy to travel at that time as she will be in a status pending Green Card by order of the Department of Justice. This means she will need AP immediately after marrying. It would be best if you wait. Others will come and tell you it can be done, but not easily.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2011-02-08 18:43:00
ChinaPacket 3 "Unmarried Certificate"

Hello,

I tried to search this out as much as I could b/4 asking, but I am not sure where to get an Unmarried Certificate or Birth Certificate in China. I am from the US and she is from Guangzhou and I am not sure how this works there and she isn't so sure either. Does anyone know where we can get either of these? I am assuming we can request the police certificate from the police station. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much!

Chris

I can research this for you at the GUZ web site but it might be in Chinese. You might want to contact a member here by the name of Darnell for specifics.

The Link to the US Consulate in Guangzhou (GUZ) is:

http://guangzhou.use...and_packets.htm

I looked at something they called, "Certification of Legal, Capacity and Intent to Marry," and this is merely a letter the Chinese Beneficiary signs. I did not specifically see the listing for an Unmarried Certificate.

Please post again or search for Darnell if this is insufficient.

Good luck.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-05-24 22:51:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionCan a counsular request for a DNA test?

I wouldn't say they are playing god - I have read of a case where a brother/sister got married, just for immigration purposes. (one is an USC, the other is not).

I do not want to know if that marriage was ever consummated.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-05 15:50:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionAlimony to exwife

So when I fill out the I-134, do I list her as partial support?

I do not pay alimony as my Ex-wife has remarried. But I do pay Child Support for my two daughters. I will list them on the I-134 as Partial Support since according to court guidelines I should be providing 50% of their support plus additional or less depending on the time they are with me.

Child support is not an adjustment of income as is alimony.

I write this because I am thinking to say "See Additional Sheet - I-134" and explain all amounts specifically. The Child Support payments do not drop me down near the 125% threshold for ability to support my fiancee. I want to give the DOS Embassy in Bangkok a full and complete picture of everything.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-10 13:53:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionI-864 and accompanying tax forms

I've had the IRS produce the tax returns for the last three years, I have paystubs for the last 6 months, letter from the employer, the most recent w-2's. I also have what looks look the 2008 1099 forms..is there anything else I should bring to the interview. Thanks for your help!

Yes, you should also fill out the actual I-134 form and bring that...
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-14 00:24:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionColossus battle ahead.

I would like to prepare for the worst. What should I expect? I'm requesting all your ideas so I can be prepare for this battle. We have been apart for 3.5 years and all this waiting will NOT be in vain.

Please I'm calling all the VJ's members with experience in this matter so we can have a fair battle at the embassy.

So far I have ready the I-601, and I-212 + a complex letter of extreme hardship. but I think this will not be enough.

I think you should relax and calm down. Be cool and confident. Be reassured. If all of your paperwork is in good shape, you will be pleasantly surprised. Good luck.

It definitely is not a Constitutional Right to permit an Alien spouse to emigrate/immigrate to the US.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-15 21:13:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussionhusband's interview is 24 hours away!!
I agree with Twisted K. Everyone says to be confident and calm in the interview. I am sure if the relationship is real there is nothing to worry about.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-09 20:17:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionFileing petition again

My husband was denied in November. The interviewer said our marriage is for immigration purposes.

I guess you two are married but living apart, one in US and the other in your husband's country? If you are living together, you should be able to supply ample evidence of a bonafide (genuine) loving marriage such as photos and trips, etc... But also since you are married, can you mingle your finances. This is often important for marriage and AOS after a marriage. Can you get your husband a credit card so you share an account, an ATM card, and show other signs of attempting to make a real and legitimate marriage.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-18 21:29:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionReceived NOA2 and Trying to Schedule Interview
There is a forum specifically for the Philippines located at this link.

http://www.visajourn...p?showforum=129

You might get many responses there.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-19 02:22:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionPacket 3 Question
Write, "About 30 days after entering on the K-1 Visa" or whatever your time frame is again within the 90 days of entering the USA.

POE means Port of Entry and refers to a place, not a time. So it does not make sense to say within 90 days of POE, etc...
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-19 02:13:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussion1-134 question
No, if you will not list her on taxes going forward such as 2010 you do not list her on the I-134. Although if you will continue to provide some support then you need to still list her as a partial dependent. Just fill out the questions as the situation is currently and correctly.
You can fill out the form for the circumstances from present time and going forward without misrepresenting or misleading in your statements. You will be entitled to still list your relative on your 2009 taxes.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-19 02:18:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionOpen Appt FINALLY Recieved

Wish us luck we really need it!!


Why do you think you will really need it. Think positively. Tell your fiance to be confident.

Good luck

Edited by Audy_Rob, 19 February 2010 - 02:54 PM.

Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-19 14:52:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionNot Denied, BUT...Request For More Info After Interview
Oh, I am glad that worked out well. Congratulations
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-18 17:34:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionNot Denied, BUT...Request For More Info After Interview

Everything went well until the interview. After waiting 5 :huh: hours inside the consulate his interview only lasted 5 minutes. They then told him all was in order but they needed more proof of our relationship. He had brought them our wedding pictures and letters. They sent him home and said to mail all evidence and his passport through DHL.

Do you have any of the following to send;
email between you two
telephone bills showing you two talked
internet chat sessions

Were there any visits between you with travel logs or airline tickets?
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-09 21:34:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionVisa Approved
Congratulations. Good luck to you both in your new life together.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-19 14:56:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionInterview+med exam in Naples: info
Wow, sounds like you had a great interview experience. Congratulations.

Measles shot, 46 Euros ???
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-17 19:17:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionJoin spouse for Interview

Hey Guys,
My wifes interview is next week. Because of work I cannot travel and join her, but my question is

1. Will it be a PLUS sign if I join my wife during her interview? I found that consulate allows US citizen inside along with their spouses for the interview.

Looking for urgent advice.

More than likely it would be a big plus. But of course no one can speak for the particular CO your wife will get.

In my fiancee's consulate, the fiance is not permitted to be their with her, but I am still going and will be waiting outside. I want to give her the moral and emotional support.

good luck.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-22 20:52:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionFinally visa approved at Lagos Consulate!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations and best luck starting your new life...
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-22 20:58:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionAPPROVED!!! Thank you Visa Journey!
Congratulations. Good luck in your new life ahead of you.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-23 16:05:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionPROOF OF RELATIONSHIP - AFFIDAVIT

Thanks for your help

Must it be notorised again & must it be the original?

Regards
Mark

You need original updated letters of intent to marry. They do NOT need to be notarized. They need to be original letters with original signatures. Use a more recent date for these letters such as now.

Also you want additional evidence of an ongoing relationship such as emails, chat logs, airline boarding passes for visits made, phone bills to your fiance(e), etc... Proof that you have maintained your relationship during the application process.

good luck...
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-24 15:43:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionNOA2/NVC DS230 I-134???

I have an I-134 and I'm confused about what I'm supposed to do with it. I have collected all of the needed documents that are listed in the instructions and I have filled it out completly. Am I supposed to send it USCIS or the embassy/consulate in Japan?

You should send it to your fiance(e) to present the package to the CO at her interview. However, you are allowed to send it directly to the Embassy in Tokyo if you do not wish for your fiance(e) to see the financial data and records. Some mebers here at VJ have suggested this might raise a question with the CO if you do not trust your fiance(e) or prefer she not know all your financial information. It is your call.

Make sure you have at least the recent years tax trascript (free from the IRS), six months of pay stubs, maybe a current letter from your employer. If you salary is close to the 125% of poverty line then you might want to present listings of assets such as bank account statements, stock portfolios, retirement funds, etc...

Good luck...
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-24 16:18:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionForm DS-156 Question 38 please help
Yes, you must check the yes box. Otherwise you can receive a lifetime ban on entry to the USA if you do not answer truthfully and they find out.

Further to the point, a DUI is not a crime that would likely receive a rejection at the interview stage. Do not worry about the Amnesty or Pardon. It means you were released from jail early, your crime was forgiven or some other treatment like that.

The only way to go is to disclose all truthfully. You have no choice as it is on the Police Certificate. Even if it was not on the police certificate I would still suggest disclosing it as I believe you must always be truthful and disclose all facts.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-24 17:18:00
US Embassy and Consulate DiscussionBijad's Casablanca Interview Experience

She said something about his “wife” and he immediately corrected her and said she is still only my fiancée.

I was interested when it seems like they tried to trick your fiance into agreeing you are married and are his wife. He might not have understood or heard her well and not corrected her.
I will tell my fiancee about this. To listen very carefully for words wife or husband and make sure they know we are only fiances.

Thank you for that. And congratulations and Best wishes on your new life ahead.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-25 17:31:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussiondo i have to have the bank write me a letter?

i have bank statements but do i need someone from the bank to write a letter to be able to use the amount in my bank?
thanks. godbless.

Many members have posted questions similar to this because bank officers will not write the letters. People usually simply gather 12 months of statements for the CO to review. You can go a little further and calculate the numbers for the CO by adding your total deposits for the past year, adding withdrawls, calculate the average, and showing the current total is easy. Maybe the average is too much.
If your income was sufficient you do not need to go through any of this but I think you will need the house also. I do not think the 10,000 is enough.
Is the house 200,000 free and clear after encumberances meaning mortgage, second mortgage, liens, etc...They want to know the equity, basically value of house minus amounts owed against house.

To answer your question, NO, you do not need a letter form the bank.

Good luck.
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-25 17:37:00
US Embassy and Consulate Discussioni-134 notarized or not?
The new form specifically says a Notarization is not required since the USC is swearing under HEAVY penalty of perjury for a false submission etc...
Audy_RobMaleThailand2010-02-24 15:01:00