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Wells Fargo notorized my time line for free. Fiance goes back tonight our time for reinterview. Wish me luck yall.....

Brianandphuong

Male

Vietnam

2009-01-18 19:22:00

I will be happy to share a lil back ground. Im divorced for 7 years now. 31 years old. I have never filed for INS paper work before. I finally got a fax of the paperwork she was given by the US Consular Officer. It is asking for a notorized and detailed time line of how I met her and when we decided to get engauged etc etc. This form looks to be very generic form they hand out to many people. They simply just fill in your name and case number so im sure this is the form many people before have received when they got a blue slip. I was mistaken about the credit card info they just want a copy of the credit card statement showing my name on the card and proof that i purchased the ticket. I am also getting copy of the statment where i paid for my hotel there in vietnam and when i used the ATM there also. Hopefully this will be enough information to make them happy and issue my fiance a PINK slip this next time around. I think another thing that make be taken into account is that my fiance's father n step mom have only been in america for less than 2 years, so maybe there is some worry i was paid to bring her here which is far from the truth. I do love my fiance and plan to marry her and have a family together....

Brian

Yes it was a single visit to Vietnam and only 2 month of knowing each other before we decided to get engauged!!!!!!

Brianandphuong

Male

Vietnam

2009-01-13 23:20:00

Thats not good if they want originals. Last package I sent to Vietnam never arrived. Takes so long to get there.. :-(

Brianandphuong

Male

Vietnam

2009-01-13 17:33:00

Will they accept the doc via email or fax? Or do I have to send originals via post office?

Brianandphuong

Male

Vietnam

2009-01-13 16:03:00

They have the receipt from the travel agency but they said it was not good enough. They want 6 months worth of statements. Which is fine I have a request in to the credit card company now. It will show purchase of ticket, hotel stays in Vietnam, as well as ATM withdrawals I made in Vietnam. Now I just need to sit down and back track the past year and make a good letter about me an her, on how we met etc etc..... FUnny thing is they did not even want to see any photo's of me and her together...

Brianandphuong

Male

Vietnam

2009-01-13 15:19:00

Any advise on my statement of meeting beside being totally honest?

Brianandphuong

Male

Vietnam

2009-01-13 14:15:00

K-3 Spousal Visa Case Filing and Progress Reports

My fiance go the blue slip yesterday. The letter says I must provide additional information. Once thing they want is the credit card receipt for the purchase of the plane ticket plus 3 month statements prior and post of ticket purchase. Also they want a notorized statement of how i met her and so on. If anyone can give me some tips or help on this that would be great. I have contacted my credit card company so I can get copies of my statements.

Brian

Brianandphuong

Male

Vietnam

2009-01-13 14:00:00

We passed the K3/K4 interview in U.S. Embassy Manila

QUOTE (marriedtomrg @ Oct 14 2009, 09:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi Rhean!

Thanks for your message. We enjoyed your company, you are a great girl, very easy to talk to. Chuck is a lucky guy!

Wow, you're leaving na? That's terrific.

Our ticket is for October 23, our visas have not arrived yet...according to ir21, we should get them anytime today.

Here is Pippo, she has a message for you:

hiya

good luck when you get there

bye
i'm going back to watching titanic now

QUOTE (ChuckandRhean @ Oct 14 2009, 10:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Im so happy for you and your family. Seize the day with your loving husband and bright kids . Youre such a good person, having a huge heart, Kaye. Our dear Lord truly bless you. Keep smiling . I feel comfy with you and your daughter

.Take good care always! My flight will be on the 20th of October

We both are so lucky and blessed

.Wheew! Warm Welcome me America. I cant put into words how so excited ,and thrilled I am! Chuck will have his leave for couple days. Hes going tothe gym almost everyday

Getting ready, I guess hehe.

To Pippo:

Aaaaaaaah

youre such a sweet bright,girl! I wish I could have a daughter like you.

Study smart,Enjoy your pre-teen age . Take care of and Love your Mom and Dad.

Ingat kau lagi. Hope we could see each other again.Keep in touch!

ChuckandRhean

Female

Philippines

2009-10-14 22:27:00

K-3 Spousal Visa Case Filing and Progress Reports

We passed the K3/K4 interview in U.S. Embassy Manila

.Take good care always! My flight will be on the 20th of October

ChuckandRhean

Female

Philippines

2009-10-14 09:51:00

Lets collect some information about IMBRA effects

I appreciate your distaste for the term 'Mail-Order Bride' and I've had to fight some stereotypes with my own family when I told them I was dating a woman long distance from a Third World country. However, that doesn't dismiss the reality that there are many unscrupulous agencies out there who are profiteering on the notion that an American man can simply 'buy' his spouse. They even state such things as saying that these women are submissive, obediant, non-complaining, etc.

these comments you make here, and the ads you quote, show a delightful innocence about the subject. Honestly, the economic component is a big factor to these women. As grandma quoted her mother "it is just as easy to fall in love with a rich man as a poor man". If you don't think that these women from the third world factor this in, you may want to study this some more. These standard comments advertised, while you may find distasteful, are somewhat true. When they say this, they are saying, "as opposed to a domineering, filandering, complaining American woman", which you would perhaps find even more distasteful. But if you don't think these concepts are an issue, you should talk frankly with men who have actually done this. Men on this site don't want to speak of it for fear of setting off the ladies who also use this site.

Not every site that connects foreign women to American men are necessarily sinister or evil. But let's not be ignorant about the possibility of woman being coerced or forced into such services. The sex trade exists and is a huge problem among Third World countries. Because these agencies are international and not under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Federal courts, we are unable to stop them from using unscrupulous practices.

I think the new IMBRA law will in fact be a positive effect in putting pressure on dating agencies to use ethical standards when American men who are serious about marrying someone for love will be more careful as to which agency they use. That's something that has long been needed.

Well, I think you are a nice, optimistic person who is looking at the bright side of this whole thing. I wonder what your attitude will be after you have gone thru the process? A bit more jaded, I suspect. I gotta tell you, the differences between the girls you will find on an "exempt" site versus a "non exempt" site are not much. Certainly it is not the difference between a sex slave and an educated, independent woman. Actually, in my studies, having done my own searches as well as free and paid searches for friends and associates, and having studied the entire subject for over 20 years, I have found that the ladies who are on the "non exempt" sites are generally more serious about seeking marriage. The government exempting some venues and not exempting others has no good effect, other than making a search more difficult. The ethics of the agencies is really neither here nor there, it is the lady you contact that really matters. A for profit enterprise attempts to maximize profits, not ethics. It is true there are sites in former communist nations that are generally scams all the way around, including the people you are corresponding with. To mix the notions about these (or any) sites with the sex trade is missing the point, the sex trade is not at all about marriage to an American using a paid or unpaid site, and it was ridiculous for the government to think they were going to have a beneficial impact on that with this legislation. As a matter of fact, they could have an opposite effect, driving people to use illegal means to bring a woman in out of frustration with the system, which in turn could increase the demand and the supply of this type of thing.

In my wife's country, Vietnam, the girls are very motivated to marry an American. They are smart, motivated ladies with good morals, and make excellent wives, coming from their difficult circumstances, which seem to only have made them better. As we make it more difficult for them to marry an American, another choice they have to fall back on is the Taiwanese, who they can much more easily marry and move to their country with minimal effort. These men have a terrible reputation in Vietnam for being abusive. Yet it is a chance many of them take, as a gamble to improve their lives. So in Vietnam at least, the net effect will be a negative towards women, it will allow less of them to come here to their first choice, to someone like myself who treats my wife like the very special woman she is, and into marriage with a Taiwanese, or mainland Chinese, who is generally a lot more abusive (generally speaking that is, you asians can whine about this if you like, message me for documentary evidence if you want to quibble on this).

I am done with my deal, I hope to be with my wife the rest of my life. I have no axe to grind with you folks trying to do this, indeed, you have my support and deep sympathies. It is much harder than it should be, and they are making it harder. I know a vn girl who married a Frenchman, it took her a matter of weeks to get her visa, not months, or years. You folks who think that this law is an attempt to help these people in other countries, well, maybe you are right. But I can tell you this, the average American, especially a woman, does not like it that an American man can have an almost perfect woman from another country. She finds it distasteful for a lot of reasons. In my opinion, (again, based on over 20 years of serious study of this entire subject) this is the real reason for these new regulations. Any beneficial effect this law is having is so small that it is of laughable consequence, and it is very likely that the unintended bad effects will far outweigh any benefits.

top-gorilla

Not Telling

2006-06-18 17:29:00

Lets collect some information about IMBRA effects

somone wrote (sorry, accidentally deleted the part that stated who, and don't care to start over)
Someone stated this earlier - it's not just that you want to marry someone, but you want to bring them into the U.S., and that is an immigration issue, and to a larger extent, a social issue. If requiring you to disclose how you met your fiancee is social engineering then so is any rule or regulation established in deciding what immigrants we let into our country. Secondly, Mail-Order Bride services do in fact exist and anyone who doesn't believe that is simply in denial. The law hasn't made that illegal since it is difficult to clearly define just how much a marriage broker is marketing foreign women to American men. It's just requiring petitioners to state whether they used one or not. How is that harmful to anyone who sincerely wants to marry someone out of love?
[/quote] So then I write the following...
well, let's see, it has now cost about 10,000 couples about 3 months, which according to my math equals about 5,000 years of human lives. How many years of human lives have been improved with this thing do you figure?

By the way, on the so called "mail order bride" issue, I am assuming you all have read the fine print on this. For reasons that are unclear (to me anyway) certain internet meeting sites are exempt, while ones that charge men but not women are not. The non exempt ones have such a burden put on them, some of them have quit serving Americans. Others have quit doing business. For a resourceful person, he can merely look around and find different venues to conduct his search. In my case, I used a site that would not be exempt at this point. That site does not follow the dictates now, and so I would have had to find someone else. While their are lots of wonderful Vietnamese ladies out there, I wonder who I would have found otherwise? Seems to me that the system should not have that much power, to force a change in the person I will spend the rest of my life with.

On the name "mail order bride", I think that this is a holdover from the 1800s when a man could actually have a woman sent over having never met her. Of course, disparites in wealth and living conditions, (as well as potential for future well being) between the American men and the foreign women was always a big factor in this equation, and often still is. See the great movie "Picture Bride" to learn more about this. Or better still, study the subject in general, the more you learn about the subject, the better a partner you will be for your foreign spouse. With the requirement of meeting your intended spouse, as well as the visa process, there is no way these people should be considered "mail order", and I think the term itself lends sleaziness to the whole subject, which is a big part of the problem we are faced with. Hence, this new requlation, as well as the negative attitude projected by so many normal Americans when judging our "mail order" marriages.

top-gorilla

Not Telling

2006-06-18 13:17:00

Lets collect some information about IMBRA effects

Hi folks. I don't post anymore, I have been married a year now and don't really have the need for VJ anymore, although I do monitor the process for some friends and out of general interest. This is in the New York Times today. If it should be in a more relevant thread, someone please copy it over to it, so people can see this. My personal take on this entire subject, well, I will put it under the story, if anyone is interested.

The New York Times
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June 18, 2006
Change in Visa Paperwork Stalls 10,000 Trips to the Altar
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON, June 17 (AP) — Wedding plans have been delayed for 10,000 American citizens seeking visas for their foreign brides and grooms as the Homeland Security Department works on new paperwork for their applications.

The form change was required as part of a law, enacted in March, to protect foreign mail-order brides from abusive American spouses. But Homeland Security missed a deadline three months ago, putting the visa applications of thousands of law-abiding couples in limbo.

The department said this week that it would send out additional forms to the visa seekers for more information that should satisfy the new law's protections.

But the bureaucratic entanglement has halted wedding plans for many couples.

"We were ready to get married this year, but I can't really make a date until we get the approval," said Bill Hall, 41, a construction foreman from Burlington, Vt. He applied two months ago for a visa for his fiancée, to emigrate from Canada with her two sons.

"We're just kind of here, in limbo," Mr. Hall said. "And it's kind of aggravating — it's a real simple thing they have to do, and they're making more of it than they need to."

He said his application, sent to Homeland Security in April, "never got approved. It's just sitting there."

All sides agree that the new law is a well-intentioned effort to protect women.

Spurred by stories of mail-order brides — largely from Eastern Europe and Asia — being abused by their American husbands, Congress approved new protections for the women in December.

The protections included amending the application form for visas to ask if the romance was arranged by an international marriage broker, and if the American citizen had ever been accused of a violent crime or convicted of three or more alcohol- or drug-related crimes.

President Bush signed the law in January, putting Homeland Security under order to draw up the new paperwork. But the forms were not finished by March 6, when the law took effect, resulting in the department shelving all spousal visa applications written on the old forms that were received after that date.

Chris Bentley, a Homeland Security spokesman, said about 10,000 applications were currently being held because they did not address the criminal or marriage-broker issues.

"They did not have all of the information needed to determine whether someone qualified or not," said Mr. Bentley, who works for the department's Citizenship and Immigration Services.

He added, "It's certainly an inconvenience brought about by the new requirements of the law."

Homeland Security said it would send additional forms to the 10,000 couples to get answers to the new questions.

Senator Maria Cantwell, Democrat of Washington, criticized Homeland Security this week as getting cold feet about quickly processing the new regulations that she helped write.

"Security and safety should be their top consideration, but their long visa process delays are putting a lot of people's lives on hold," Ms. Cantwell said in a statement.

Mr. Hall said he was frustrated with the visa delays for people trying to follow the law at a time when the Bush administration is grappling with giving other benefits to illegal immigrants.

"I thought it was ironic," Mr. Hall said. "And I find it unfair."

END OF STORY.

Okay, me again. My knowledge of this deal is that it was done by people who really don't want to see men getting foreign women. They don't think it is fair, they don't like it. So they got it stuck in a law, and tough **** for you guys, you have had it too good for too long. You American women on this site can whine about this, tough for you, you are just collateral damage, they are willing to sacrifice you for the greater good of their principles. They probably think you don't really know what is good for yourself anyway, but it is the men that really **** them off. And what is amazing to me is that we can have some 10 million or god knows how many illegals in this country, and the authorities don't do squat, and yet they find a way to target this small niche of legal citizens who follow a legal process. And what is really funny, there are far more illegal men who bring in illegal women (from their countries of origin) to marry, and then have legal children, which gives them kings x, as our country does not go after the parents of U. S. citizens. Yet they ignore that, because they are illegal already, and as they have shown contempt for the laws, and the system has proven that they will not go after them anyhoo, what would be the point of messing with them? Really, one can see why it would be better just to forget about following the process, and instead just follow the Mexicans They really cannot stop the illegals, and don't even try. In my state, it is actually better to be illegal in some ways, as the system is overwhelmed, and so the authorities just ignore the minor infractions by the illegals. Legals are worth messing with, as they actually have to pay for their crimes. I followed the process, it is a total pain in the rear to go thru it, but looking at it now, I gotta say, it is getting awfully close to being to a point where it is too big a burden. And I think that is the future of this legal process, death by a thousand cuts, at some point, it is just too difficult to do (legally). Every step in the process is a total pain, and now this stupid IMBRA. I am already done, but I have contacted my so called representatives in government, who respond with stupid form letters (if at all) about different issues, as they don't have a stupid form letter for IMBRA. If you want to complain, give them an earful, I did, for you guys who are trying to follow the process now and in the future. My sympathies to you all, our government is ******* pathetic.

top-gorilla

Not Telling

2006-06-18 00:23:00

FilipinaHeart.com Responds to my IMBRA Question

I am married to a vn lady and done, personally. I do advise folks on the process a bit, and having studied this for about 20 years, (the process, not our laws), I continue to watch what is happening. I am in contact with various so called IMB's just to see their reactions. I can tell you that some of them pretend it does not relate to them, well, that is true, to an extent. As they are not U.S. corporations, they have the right to ignore our laws. Problem is, if a USC USES THEM. The USC has then played outside the rules, OUR rules. So he is the one in trouble on this, not the IMB. These smaller outfits basically have given up on the deal, they will sell contact info to the USC and pretend that they are legal (which they are, in the country they work out of). I think this info might belong somewhere else on VJ, this may not be the right forum for it. Anyone who is more involved in VJ than I am, feel free to post this where it may be more relevant.

top-gorilla

Not Telling

2006-06-30 11:19:00