biggish data

anyone know st lukes clinic phone number that works?

Her current passport is valid but only until Sept....she does need to get it renewed but DFA is not doing walk ins or at least in her case (wanting to go to U.S. to get married was not considered an urgent need and she didn't wait until last minute she was waiting since Dec for a corrected BC)....she has her application stamped to come back July 1 and can then proceed with passport renewal....from our understanding she needs to have a passport that is valid for at 6 months before she can proceed....is this right or wrong? She had a chest xray done at her DR and it was clear so I do believe medical should (praying) go OK and we should just barely meet the Aug 20 VISA deadline.
thanks

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-06-07 14:39:00

anyone know st lukes clinic phone number that works?

No, it is NOT better to wait for your appointment letter. I hope you guys have heard of the "stupid" Sputum tests that will delay you for two months.
Take for example my mom's case, she has her interview appointment on June 16 but because of the sputum 2 month culture, she won't be able to go to her appointment and will have to wait until end of July for the result of the culture. Now, if I only knew that this would happen to her (sputum test) I would've asked her to take her medical exam last March when I got her case number and she could still be able to attend the June 16 appointment.

To do the medical before you receive your appointment letter...we are having an issue of her getting her passport...she can't get it until July 1...it is a long story about that...anyway Olive can't get her medical without a current passport can she?

We would like to get her medical out of the way so when she gets her renewed passport we could just go straight to the interview but have been led to believe that she has to have her passport valid for 6 months or longer....right!

Also have thought about calling St. Lukes and see what they say...good idea or bad????
Thanks

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-06-07 11:30:00

k-1 visa forms

I just made an interview appointment yesterday for Olive and when I asked about filling out the DS260 for her K1 the lady I talked to said not to do the DS260. Olive has not yet went to BDO so I don't know if they will require the DS260 or not. She will probably be going there this next week so will have to wait and see.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-02 09:04:00

DS 160 is not needed for the K-1 process.She doesn't need to fill it out.

Just one less piece of paper she needs to worry about :thumbs:

Thanks we are getting really excited because this part of the journey is just about done!

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-03 20:55:00

Olive is going to just use the appointment letter...will update with what her outcome is when she goes around the 9th or first of the following week. Will send money today and see what happens.
Thanks for the information. Also on topic of DS160...when I made the interview date embassy said she did not have to do DS160...is this what everyone is finding too?
Thanks,
J & O

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-03 12:08:00

Hi again Oregon...

I have read reports here on VJ where BDO sometimes asks for the DS forms, and sometimes not. Sometimes they simply ask to see the interview appointment confirmation email. Why not have your fiancée take her appointment letter down to BDO and try to pay the visa fee? If BDO wants to see the DS forms, she will simply have to do this errand after she has her passport and is able to completely fill out the DS forms.

Also, the visa fee is not really "deposited" in the escrow sense of the word. Instead, you are simply paying a fee.

I think I will have her do that...thanks...really do not see why they would need to see the DS forms anyway.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-02 14:49:00

Does BDO always require DS156 and DS157 or will just the confirmation letter from the US Embassy be enough to deposit the money into the bank. Olive's renewed passport will not be released until 7/16 and the interview appointment is 7/23. I would like to be able to have the money in the account next week but she cannot print out these documents until the passport is released.
I know there will still be time to get the money in but we would like to at least be ahead of the game with this since now everything is going on track.
Thanks
J & O

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-02 14:05:00

So she got a blue slip? 221g form? Give it a few days. The same thing happened to me. Congratulations!

Yeah...the dreaded blue slip...but it is okay...she didn't make it to the NSO on Friday but will go first thing Monday morning and then return to Embassy with the document and then wait for Air21. The waiting game gain. We are really getting use to this waiting game now. Feel fairly confident that she will be leaving the first week of August. Hoping for August 3 because we can get the cheapeast flight rate that day.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-23 22:51:00

Olive had corrected the spelling of her name and when she did her NBI Clearance she only got the clearance in her new spelling. She needs to just take in the NBI Clearance for the old spelling. She is returning to Angeles right now and will go this afternoon and get that started so hopefully on Monday she will have that and be able to return to the Embassy on Monday with that documents and get her pink slip. Just a few days hang up but everything else was fine with the interview. She said they only asked her a few questions and the whole process was really very easy.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-22 22:55:00

Congratulations! My Sarah and I are about two weeks behind you. We cannot wait to get all this over with! While it is exciting, it is also a bit stressful for her.

Understand completely about the stress you are talking about...

We have the same interview date, July 23. Mine is at 7:15am.

Best of luck with the interview...prayers are in the works for all of us...god bless us all

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-19 16:20:00

Thanks again Seattle...Olive is finally beginning to believe that this is not just a dream and that she will soon be here.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-18 22:23:00

Olive passed her medical today...almost there.

She picked up her renewed passport on Friday and today she went back to SL for the 2nd day of medical. Because it had been longer than a month since day 1 of medical she had to another pregancy test and then it was on to immunizations. She had 3 shots and as of just a few minutes ago she was waiting to check out.

Friday is her interview at 7:00. Her sister is going with her to Manila for the interview. She has all her paperwork completed and has everything ready for the interview. She has been going over her papers and reviewing all the paperwork I sent to her.

We are both so excited because it really looks like she will finally be here within a few weeks. :yes:

Justin

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-18 22:11:00

Had not thought about calling Embassy for status thanks so much will do that. Thanks again

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-29 08:52:00

Thanks for the info...this waiting game is beginning get to be very old now...but she is more than worth it.... (L)

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-29 08:42:00

Thank you so much...we are trying to be sure there is enough money for her to leave Manila but not have too much extra in pesos left over.
Thanks for the quick reply.
Justin & Olive

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-28 17:55:00

Air21 is real iffy i would give a week leeway if I were you we recieved ours in 2 days all the way in Mindanao but who knows.

Yes she will have to pay the P1620 travel tax as she is a Filipino citizen plus the airport tax of P750.

The CFO at PRISM will take a few hours and the total fees are P650 she will attend the conseling session at the BDO building then go to another locatin for her CFO sticker register on the CFO website

Good Luck Justin

The travel tax then where and when is that paid???

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-28 17:21:00

I have a few questions which have come to mind trying to get all the loose ends tied up.

Olive returns to the Embassy on the 29th with her NIB Clearance for her misspelled name and she also had to get her CENOMAR for the misspelled name. When she returns these two papers to the Embassy and they are approved will she receive her pink slip tomorrow?

Looking at some of the other timelines it looks like the VISA/Passport are being delivered within about 3 days...is this about the right time to figure for AIR21 to Angeles CIty?

I am going to purchase her air ticket for Delta via Tokyo but have seen on a pinned topic something about an Travel Tax Flight to US which converts to about $40.00, does she have to pay this. I do know about the airport tax which is about $17.00? And no I will not book a ticket until she has the VISA in hand.

Also when she does her PRISM and goes to the CFO to get her passport stamped will this take her most of the day to do? I had seen a post about PRISM visit but can't find that now. Also can someone give me the cost for her PRISM/CFO visits?

We are almost there, finally.
Justin

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-07-28 13:44:00

Olive has decided on her own to go on Wednesday and do the PRISM with her decision the same as Chinook's one less thing to do and the sooner "I can leave" once she received her VISA. She also called NSO on Tuesday afternoon and the CENOMAR has been completed and she was told it should be pickup on Friday when the Embassy comes to their weekly pickup. I am going to call the Embassy Friday afternoon before they close just to verify that it has been received and see where we are then.
Thanks for the encouragement and information. It is very much appreciated. Will post an update just as soon as some good news arrives.
Justin

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-03 15:11:00

I agree with scotty's girl. I also suggest that you tell your fiancée to wait until she gets her visa. When she receives her visa packet, there will be a CFO guide in the Air21 plastic. That way, she'll get to accomplish the seminar and have the sticker affixed to her passport all in one day.

The seminar starts at 10:00 am and the next schedule is at 1:00 pm. (PRISM)
Once she has her visa, tell her to bring the ff:
-photocopy of passport
-photocopy of visa
-Php 250 payment for the seminar

She might be asked to apply for a BDO Kabayan Savings account. She can decline. If she decides to apply for it, tell her to bring the ff:
-1x1 or 2x2 I.D.
-photocopy of a valid I.D.
-Php 50

For the sticker and Guidance and Counseling Certificate at CFO:
-Valid ID
-photocopy of passport
-photocopy of visa
-photocopy of Guidance and Counseling Certificate of Attendance (from PRISM or SMEF-COW)

By the way, how is the case going? Has she contacted the Embassy?

She picked up her NBI clearance Thur 7/29 and dropped it off at the Embassy...the CENOMAR was done at Passay and wasn't ready for Friday's Embassy pickup. She called Monday a.m. and found out she can't pick it up...only the Embassy can...however they did tell her that it should be done late on Monday or Tuesday. She is going to call again late today to be sure it is done.

However, I did contact my local senator's office and she sent an email last Friday and called today and what they emailed her back with was that the petition was ready to have VISA issued or denied and that there was a notation that the document was received on Thursday. We talked about the CENOMAR and I called the Embassy a little while ago and they said they are still waiting for the CENOMAR and that she should drop that off at the window between 1 and 2 p.m. Monday thru Thursday. I will be calling the senator's office again tomorrow to see if she can find out anything more about the CENOMAR drop off on Friday.

We are trying really hard to keep right on top of everything...and I think we will revert back to original plan to have her go to PRISM/CFO the following day after she receives her VISA/Passport. See no reason why the VISA will not be approved but sure tired of waiting! Not that she isn't worth it but I would sure like to have her here. Also am getting nervous because this petition expires on August 20.

Thanks for asking how this process is going. Appreciate it. By the way congrats on this part of your journey now complete.
Justin

Edited by J and O, 02 August 2010 - 08:11 PM.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-02 20:10:00

I do realize that PRISM and CFO are two separate identies. Thanks I think I have it figured out???

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-02 15:38:00

Thank so I guess we have to wait until after she receives her VISA/passport and letter to make a reservation for her PRISM/CFO meeting. She needs her passport and it is still at the embassy. Best guess now for her to get here will probably be maybe the end of August....ugh!!!!

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-02 15:04:00

Getting ready for Olive to do her PRISM and CFO and I am so confused now after reading posts and looking at their website.

Can she do her PRISM without her VISA being approved yet...we are waiting for the embassy to pickup her CEMONOR at the Passy office on Friday before the VISA will be approved. Somewhere I read that you need a reservation can you not just walk in.

Does she only need her passport when she goes to the CFO office or does she need that for the PRISM too, and can she just walk in for the CFO?

Also would appreciate if someone could give me the times for the PRISM...it seems like I had read somewhere 10:00 for the morning time???
Thanks J & O

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-02 14:30:00

Thank you for finally pointing out there was an earlier thread. That would be a thing to link to in the OP, as many of us do not follow every thread here on VJ. You didn't have to re-type it. Showing us where the discussion was would have been fine.

So if I can summarize, her original birth certificate was mis-spelled. Her family name is Olive, but it was mis-spelled as Olib.

She had used Olib officially in her past, which included a passport in the name Olib. It is threfore definitely an alias now that the Birth Certificate has been changed.

She requested the birth certificate mis-spelling be changed to Olive before you applied for K-1, but after the I-129F was approved in the name Olib. She applied for the K-1 visa under the name Olive, which was not the name you used on the I-129F. You included the alias Olive on the I-129F, but you would have received your I-179C Notice of action in the name Olib.

She had a passport in the name Olib (Original misspelled birth certificate name) expiring Sept. 2010. She requested it be renewed under the name Olive.

She has received now the corrected Birth Certificate, in the name Olive. She also has a new passport in the name Olive. But you have an I-129F application approved for the name Olib. Furthermore, she did not include the alias Olib in her CENOMAR and NBI clearances. She had them done under Olive.

Now I understand why at the interview she was told to do CENOMAR and NBI in the name Olib. It is because your I-129F application was in the name Olib; because it was her birth certificate and passport names before you did anything under primary applicant name Olive immigration-wise.

After applying for I-129F and having it approved in the name Olib you had her birth certificate changed, her passport changed, and applied for the K-1 under the name Olive, and did not do CENOMAR and NBA clearances with the name she had apparently used her entire life officially up to that time.

Wow, no wonder this is all bolloxed up. It does not surprise me at all this would take another six weeks to to through, and that it would require going back to the consulate. I do not agree it is the same thing as requesting additional information.

Window X may be a possibility insofar as information, yes - but I do see why they are saying it would take another six weeks.

My condolences. It is really tough to go through this, and i think indeed you are in for the wait. If nothing else, I think people can learn that this manner of applying will cause some real complications.

No it is not "all bottoxed up" because when I first called to set up her interview date I had them change my papers to say Olive which they have changed and I do know this because when they email me regarding her it is in reference to Maria Olive not Maria Olib...the embassy has changed their records....what they wanted was to be sure that under her name which she went by for 26 years was to be sure there was no previous marriages or police records in the name Olib which we have no provided to the embassy...so why would there be up to another 6 weeks wait?

I am curious as to why you think this is all bottoxed up? Now I am really confused and why would it not be the same as requesting additional information? At 8 a.m. I am calling the embassy and maybe we will have some additional answer by then.
Thanks for your thoughts, however.
Justin

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-07 17:46:00

There is still something missing from this story, and it is impossible to answer until it is pinned down. It is the most important part: the beginning. Where did the whole thing with mis-spelling start? The fact you are omitting this and seem to be evasive about it makes it look like something fishy is going on. The way most people start a story is from the beginning. When someone leaves out the beginning of a story, suspicions naturally arise.

Did you mis-spell her name on some document? Did the interviewer just invent some different spelling out of thin air and order you to do a CENOMAR in that name out of spite?

It just doesn't make any sense. I would put it at the bottom of my pile too if it was explained to me as you have. Remember, you have lived this and we know nothing but what you tell us. Please be clear.

It is a terrible thing being in the clutches of bureaucracy and you have my sympathy for it. But please explain the story in a way that makes sense, and that means not leaving out why this whole thing got started. It could be a minor thing, and it could be a major thing. Correcting a problem requires knowing what the problem is in the first place.

I hope you can clarify this. Thanks.

I keep getting the feeling that you think we are hiding something...I can begin from the beginning and repeat this entire story that has previously been posted. In December 2009 Olive decided to correct the spelling on her BC before we applied for our VISA. It was very important to her that she get the spelling corrected from Maria OLIB to Maria Olive. When I did my K1 paperwork the last part of Feb 2010 I spelled her name as Maria OLIB because we were not sure that the BC would be changed because as of that time nothing was heard from regarding the change within the Philippine gvt. On my papers there was a section for other names used so I added the name Olive which was name she used. (some on the forum said she should do the change but this was very important to her to get corrected, and now I understand why it is because of her honesty). The corrected BC finally arrived in her hands and then she had to renew her passport which was to expire in Sept 2010. While she waited for the passport she went to SL and did day 1 of her medical. Once she received her passport port she went back and did day 2. When Olive did her papers for the interview, which was July 23, 2010 she filled out her name as Maria Olive, which she also did with the NBI Clearance and NSO CENAMOR) which bother came back clear. She said she didn't think about under alias on NBI & CENOMAR to put OLIB. When she did the interview everything was fine except she was told she needed to get NBI Clearance and NSO CENOMAR for OLIB. She went that same day (Embassy told her to go to NSO Pasay to get her CENOMAR) which she did the same day as her interview 7/23. She returned to Angeles to get her NBI Clearance because the car driver got lost and the day was getting late trying to find the NBI in Manila. She picked up her NBI on 7/29 and returned that to Embassy the same day. The Pasay NSO told her on Monday 8/2 that her CENOMAR would be completed on either late that day or Tuesday. She called Tuesday and was told that is was completed on Monday however only the Embassy could pick up the paper and they only pick up on Fridays. When she called on Friday 8/6 she was told that it was ready to be released to Embassy. When I called the Embassy around 12 noon on Friday I was told that they didn't have the paper, she could deliver it to window X and I explained about the Embassy pickup and got the same answer from the girl again and that was when she told me it could be another 6 weeks before her VISA is approved and she said something about it needed to go to Consolute and to CEBU and could be up to 6 weeks. I called back around 1 and this time I talked to someone else and found out that the Embassy would not be picking up at the NSO Pasay until about 4:00. I called the Embassy several times around 5 to 5:30 and got no answer (which frustrates me because the Embassy is open until 6 p.m.)

This is where we are at...told twice that it could take up to 6 weeks longer...needs to go to Consulate and what we don't understand is why would the NBI and CENOMAR documents be any different than needed to supply additional income proof, tax documents from previous years, etc. Also one of our Senator's told me that once these documents are received our petition will go to the bottom of the 1000's of applications and have to work its way to the top again, which too doesn't make a lot of sense.

Justin

Edited by J and O, 07 August 2010 - 03:40 PM.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-07 15:37:00

Sorry, but I am confused by this because of the word "misspelled". An alias is different spelling, sure - but that isn't a "misspelled" name. She has her name, and she has an alias. My recollection is that you have to report any aliases used in the visa application, along with her legal name.

CENOMAR application is here, and it indicates using your legal name:

CENOMAR

I see that in the NBI clearance it talks about people with "Namesakes" taking longer:

NBI FAS

I am inferring that you have to put both your legal name and your Alias (namesake?) on the NBI application, which would make sense but I could not find a copy of the form online. Maybe someone else with a copy can chime in.

The upshot is I think you are saying she did not report aliases, not that she failed to report a misspelling. I am not sure what they do when someone fails to report aliases. But regardless we should clarify exactly where she failed to report aliases, and if it is on the visa application too. That would really gum up the works.

It is the Embassy that is calling her name misspelling an alias.

CENOMAR was done with her correct spelling and taken to interview -- requested at interview that she go to NXO Pasay and have CENOMAR for misspelling of name....this was done on Monday 8/2 but she was told only the Embassy could pick up the document NSO Pasay told her it was done and was ready to be released on Friday and the Embassy told me that they would be picking up from NSO around 4 p.m. on 8/6

NBI was done with her correct spelling and taken to interview -- requested at interview that she get NBI clearance for her misspelled name which she did in Angeles and delivered to Embassy on 7/29. Called and this document had been documented as received.

What we don't understand is why it would take up to 6 weeks longer now for her VISA to be approved when these documents once completed would seem to be no different than someone that needed to have a 2010 tax form or additional payroll stubs for there VISA.

Also one of my senator's office told me that her VISA would now go to the bottom of the stack of 1000s of applications and have to work its way back to the top????

J & O

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-06 18:16:00

We are both so upset about this VISA interview process...maybe someone out there can give us some advice. Olive had to get her NBI Clearance and NSO CENOMAR with her alias name spelling. She had neglected to put down her misspelled name on these two documents. She received her NBI from Angeles and took that back to the Embassy. The Embassy told her to go to the NSO Pasay and pay the fee and they would pick up the CENOMAR and take care of it. She did this on the same day as her interview (7/23). She called the NSO on 7/30 and was told that the Embassy had already pickup up the a.m. and her documents were not completed yet, however they should be done by Monday or Tuesday. She call late on Monday and was told they were completed but she could not pick them up and deliver them to the Embassy...only the Embassy could pick them up. She was told that they were to be released to the Embassy on Friday (8/6 yesterday). The Embassy told me around 12 p.m. that they did not have them and that the VISA could take up to 6 more weeks because it would have to go before the Consolute??? I didn't stop there and called back again about 1 p.m and was told that the NSO pickup wouldn't be until about 4 p.m. and once again that there could be 6 more weeks of waiting.

We don't know if the papers arrived at the Embassy I tried to call many times around 5 p.m. and couldn't get anyone to answer the phone a message kept telling me to "please try again later" On the Embassy site it says they are open until 6 p.m. for phone calls...but guess not!

We just don't know what to do at this point...it seems everytime we take a baby step forward we get pushed back a mile and are feeling that this VISA process is never going to end.

I have contacted my Senator's office and one is looking into what is going on while the other one just seems to be giving me the run around too. I also am waiting for a call back from my congressman. I would appreicate any feedback or suggestions on what to do about this. I know that she is legally free to marry and her NBI clearance was fine.

Thanks
Justin & Olive

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-06 16:00:00

It's Finally Done

I thought you said you would no longer post on VJ, and you were gonna delete your account

Bi - Polar ?

No not Bi - Polar ?

Just thought that some would like to know that another success story but maybe I was wrong?????

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-18 07:59:00

It's Finally Done

Just want to let my fellow VJ Supporters know that Olive gets here tomorrow (8/18). She is at Manila right now ready to board her flight to Tokyo. She will arrive at PDX tomorrow (8/18) morning.

This has been a long and hard journey but this part of our journey is over and on Sept 4 we will be getting married. (F)

As just a little side note this is the best birthday gift I have or ever will receive...Thursday is my birthday and Olive will be here to help me celebrate.

J & O

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-17 16:53:00

Should I Be Concerned ?

I too, think I would be more concerned about her "new friend" and her secretative actions at this time then the dent in the boat at this time.
Justin

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-08-02 14:24:00

Name different on Birth Certificate than Passport

Thanks...I did find the Philippines section and will post this there hope someone can from there can help.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-01-12 19:46:00

Name different on Birth Certificate than Passport

Well...to begin with we are just about to begin the process of applying for a VISA. I leave for the Philippines on February 5 and will meet for the first time February 6. We are both very excited to meet face to face. After I return I will start an official time line of our events. So be watching for that to come.

My question is this however. She has her name misspelled on her birth certificate and her passport has the exactly same spelling with the same error. She wants to change the misspelled name on her birth certificate and has applied for the change, however that is not suppose to be completed until next month. Will there be a problem if the spelling of the name is different on her passport? OR should she just wait until she gets her VISA and arrives in the states to change the name spelling. OR should she change the name on her passport to match the birth certificate. Her funds are very tight...and I will probably have to pick up the cost and my thinking is to just leave everything the way it currently is and see about making the change once she arrives here...anyone else have this problem.

One more thing...can anyone give us anything we need to do during are meeting that will help with our process of getting her VISA? I am really very nervous about my upcoming trip...I fly from the states to Tokyo and then to Manila. I have never flown before so any help with this or things I need to know would be greatly appreciate.

Thanks.
JD & ON

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-01-12 18:37:00

Name to use on I129 Packet

if she'd change her name, she'd also have to provide documents for name change

that's a requirement

Yes, we know that...her middle name is misspelled on her birth cert and she wants it changed before she comes here. She is in the process of getting that changed to the correct spelling....but on the forms should we use her name the way it is currently on the birth certificate and put her name the correct way on the form under "other names used"

OR

put the correct name spelling (which is currently being changed) in the name and put her misspelled name under "other names used?

Thanks

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-01-27 19:00:00

Name to use on I129 Packet

We have a name issue and are unsure which name we should use. Her name is misspelled on her birth certificate and she is in the process of changing the spelling and then will correct her passport. However, the process is started and she will not have her birth certificate until probably March. We have started to fill out papers for K1 fiancé VISA and want to mail in the packet as soon as possible after I return from visiting her next month. Would like to have the packet sent off around 2/22.

What name should we put on the forms...use her misspelled name on the name and put the correct spelling under other names used

OR

put the name the way it will be changed and use the misspelled name under other names....

We would like to expedite this process as smoothly and fast as possible so don't want to have rejected because of this name spelling change.

Thanks

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-01-27 18:06:00

Can you follow the K1 VISA Process online

OK, the K1 Visa has arrived in California...I am thinking that somewhere on this site I read of someplace that you can follow the VISA process online to know where your application is....
Is there such a site?
Thanks

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-03-05 19:36:00

are they getting quicker??

Guess I better start watching for my NOA2...I sent my K1 in on Feb 22 so guess if Calif is moving that fast mine should be coming anytime now. I too was thinking that the wait would be about 3 months....so we were planning a wedding date of Sept 11....maybe that will be much sooner too. I can only hope. :wow:

Edited by J and O, 25 March 2010 - 05:11 PM.

J and O

Male

Philippines

2010-03-25 17:10:00